Abagworo: Anyone who sees the changes in Imo within 2 years and with little resources but yet deny them is an antichrist and deserves hell fire.

Oh,you have an excuse for his non performance ? What goes around comes around

Antivirus92: ide nnaa, otegokwa nnukwu aka. Odika ijebelu omugwo...lol.... The topic is confusing indeed. I like delta igbos and any other igbo man from any part of igboland, i also detest so much those denying their root for political reasons. But like u said, let's keep watching them. Maybe time will tell.

Ide nnaa,anokwo mia mana ana m' agbaghali inata bia nuo nwanyi na onwa na abia.

As for those who doesn't want to be called Igbo evethough facts say otherwise,let them be.

berem: Jonathan thinks he can intimidate and harass Rochas and get away with it. He should be reminded that Rivers state is not Imo state at all!

And what will Imo do if the presidency decides to ffuck with Okorocha ?
Abey,enter houuse go cook ewedu and gbegiri for your husband.

Abagworo: The reason why the true origin, interaction and evolution of Igbo people cannot be realized any time soon is the erroneous lies fabricated earlier to give an impression of a homogenous Igbo people and culture with Nri roots and ancestry without respect for the individual towns, clans and subgroups account of themselves.

The history of Eri/Nshi always stated they migrated from North. There is no error but the inability of the the original settlers to tell their history. Eri settled and introduced his culture and religion,the aborigins loved it and adopted it and today we are all Igbo.

ketoprofen:

Am sure Of ala still exists

Believe that garbage at your own risk!

Radoillo:

There activities were complementary. But one did not proceed from the other.

@single civilization, not parallel ones... this would appear to be the case.

Get this into your thick skull....NRI COLONIZED AWKA...Awka were Nri workmen !

Radoillo:


We should include Okwara-ESHI in Nkwerre, Imo State. and some other places that have ESHI in their name. Eshi is a variation of Eri...so I've been told.
But quick questions: Any Nri man can give u d traditions of how Umueri, Oraeri, Aguleri etc came to be. Including who the leaders were, what obstacles they faced, etc. If Urueri is from Eri, as u claim, do Nri/Eri people have any traditions about Urueri? How come they don't? How come Urueri people themselves don't?

By the way, there's another village in Awka called Umueri. their founder was not Eri of Aguleri. their founder was named Eri Onwa, an Amaenyiana man. U will say I'm making this up. Thank God Amanke Okafor's book, The Awka People, is available online for download in pdf format. Download, if u care. Read. Don't infer things when u don't have all the information. A THOUSAND DIFFERENT PEOPLE COULD HAVE BORN THAT NAME, EVER THOUGHT OF THAT If we came from Nri, we would acknowledged it. We have acknowledged other settlers, why won't we acknowledge Nri if indeed they formed part of our ancestry. I should fabricate traditions that are not there just to please you?

Eshi is not Eri/Eru....Eri is the father of Ifikuanim the founder of Nri Kingdom/Umu Nri/Nshi clan,Namoke,Iguedo.. I don't know anything about Akokwa people and I don't claim them,however,if they claim to be of Nri origin we will investigate them and decide on that. We don't beg anybody to be part of us but we will always accept one of us.

Who the ffuck are you to say you will acknowledge Nri ? Nri gave Awka Nze na Ozo ! Your forefathers kissed Nri aasses.....You have nothing to celebrate!

Radoillo:

Do they speak different dialects in different quarters of Nnewi? I heard Nnewi people say, "Bia uka a" (Similar to Awka's "Bia ika a". But I never heard any Nnewi person say that while I was at Otolo-Nnewi.

Yea,you ignored the part that doesn't feed your motive. Go to AWGBU,Orumba south and hear them speak....funny dude!

pokur:
U are conflating Eri n Nri.Nri proceeded out of Eri.I do believe more research need to be done on Eri descendants n their settlements,not just Nri.
Back to topic,right from childhood my elders always referred Nri-Oka as if they were one.They may be different people,but I think they evolved a single civilization not parallel ones

The guy is an amateur. This is my first time hearing people refer to Eri/Eru as "ESHI". What a charactter ! He even ignored some of the ancient history told by his elders. CHINENYE THE SECOND!

"He has the Onicha man disease"....lol

Radoillo:

LOL. Because I disagree with the Nri-centric view of Igbo history, I don't know my people's history again, eh? I certainly know more about my people than you do. I've been researching them since I was 17. I have tried as much as i can to give an objective account. I rejected some of the 'claims' I found in our traditions, and didn't include them here because they weren't substantiated.

There's nothing to feel insecure about. If I can say so myself, Awka left its mark. I don't need to deny Nri its due in other for my own to shine brighter. But I've noticed that Nri writers are over-stretching their hands. Go and read the traditions of Akokwa people about Nri. I didn't want to delve into it because it might prove controversial, and i dont have the time for a word battle.

Urueri is ancient. Very ancient. They have no traditions of coming from anywhere. We know when Nri came. The traditions are there. If the traditions could remember when Nri came, but can't remember when Urueri came...<shrugs>

Urueri might be an ancient village for all I care but the truth remain that you have no idea where they originated from,hence I will suggested you leave it under probability,simple. Don't start saying what you don't know. It is an insult for you to say that "Nri writers are over-stretching their hands" because Nri influence and hegemony is far and will beyond Awka. You are full of contradiction because of your confusion and refusal to stay away from what is bigger than you; Firstly,you stated Awka people has no history of originating from anywhere. Secondly,you admitted some migrated from Umudioka and Adagbe. Can't you see what you are doing to yourself ? It simply shows your ignorance of your own peoples history. I have told you to drop that issue and focuse more on showcasing the colorful culture of the ancient Awka town.

Yea,and we have umu-ERI,ora-ERI,agulu-ERI,ire-ERI ................and the very distinct uru-ERI Awka that dropped from the sky....hahaha

What a resounding coincidence!

Radoillo:

Awkuzu is not even pronounced as Awka-Uzu (Awka-Smith, transliterally). I know where u are going with that.

And we are digressing a little here. The fact remains no Awka quarter or kindred traces its origin to Nri or Eri. We interacted, but we knew we were different.

PS: Have u heard of Ogene Anuka, a ritual-musical essemble from Aguleri?

Well,you are just telling me but you haven't proved anything....Nothing just hearsay. I need proof and I know you don't have proof and I also know why you ain't got proof....Nwa Awka,jeke nolu ani ka nwa onye Nri kwuo okwu!

Radoillo: Plus, I know the story about Eri and his sons. Perhaps you should tell me which of Eri's sons founded Dunukofia or Umudioka...

Why don't we start with you telling me the origin of uru-ERI. I will be very disappointed if you don't know.

Well,I will suggest you drop the Dunukofia story because ain't gonna work. You have limited knowledge of your people yet you wanna infuse new stories. Dude,if I were you I will stick to telling displaying the culture of your people. Stop trying to add sshit to things. It usually arise from insecurity. Not being satisfied with what you have,so you add things to make you feel better.

Radoillo: Maybe I should say we founded Awka-Etiti, too.... There's an 'Awka' there. Who knows?

What if you people are related to Awka-Etiti ? What about the blacksmithing Awka aka Awka-Uzu ? And do you know Awkuzu are Nri descendants ?

ChinenyeN:
It's ignorant of you to talk like this. You have no idea what the "eri" in Urueri acrually represents. If indeed it references Nri/Eri, cool. If not, fine. But it is okay to peddle unsubstantiated inferences, simply because you see a three letter word that spells "eri".

I am not peddling rumours...I was just seeking clarity. But instead of him to say he is not sure about uru-ERI peoples origin he came out to insinuate that it is unconnected with Eri.

By the way,shouldn't you be somewhere researching about the origin of NGWA and their distinctness ?

Thread for the feeble minded !!!!

You wrote and I rephrase,"some of the earliest settlers were uru......ERI "
So,you actually have Eri descendants ?

What about uru-ERI,Awka ?

Radoillo: [b][/b]


There is not a single family in Awka that came from Nri. We had people who came from Agbaja to join the original Awka people. We had Umudioka from Dunukofia. BUT AN NRI MAN NEVER SETTLED IN AWKA.

Hahaha...Dunukofia are actually Nri descendants. I bet you don't know that.
Dude,I will advice you to give up now !

Radoillo: I am not trying to claim anything. Everything i've stated is based on what scholars from Elizabeth Isichei to Adiele Afigbo (all renowned researchers have written) I knew people might have issues with some of the assertions here. That's why I stated my sources in the beginning.

And how could Oraeri have made the bronzes if they had no traditions of metak working?

There were smiths all over Igboland; but it was with Awka that the Nri had an alliance. You should know this as an Nri man.

And "Nri anara awakpo Awka oji" is an old Awka saying. Don't try to insinuate I cooked that up.

Nwanne,I have to be frank with you,here. What if the the metal making community in Oraeri has moved and resetlled in Awka ? Because Igboukwu doesn't have any history nor culture of metal making,either. What if Awka is actually the original Oraeri people ? Can you explain the origin of a town called URU-ERI in Awka. ? You see,our forefathers didn't write things down and without written history a lot of question will remain un-answered.
You can't just up and claim the metal works found in Igboukwu were made by Awka blacksmiths without concrete proof.
During the hey days of Nri kingdom high priests and priests made pilgrimage to Agukwu,paid homage to EzeNri and the town and his priests were revered all over southern Nigeria. Nri had powerful "mburuchis" and "Ndichie" who went around to innitiate and institutionalize the Nri religion and culture. Dude,read between the line.

And Rodoillo,what was said about Nri that it wasn't. ?

Radoillo:


If I have said something false about Nri, perhaps u should state it. I have acknowledged the importance of Nri. My problem is with people saying Nri was what it never was.

So,Eze Uzu Awka will break the kola before the EZE NRI in a gathering that has both of them in attendance ?

Abagworo:

@bolded. Since you've accepted the truth then the thread should move on.

Yes,there are Nri people in Awka as much as there is in most town of Anambra. But the Op never said the URU-ERI people were settlers because he probably has no fact to back it up. The postulation about Awka not migrating from anywhere is still a myth. Because the Op hasn't wrote anything about Awka that paints them satisfactorily as a distinct group. Awka dialect is not in any way distinct from the dialect of AWGBU town of Orumba south and most of those words the Op listed as distinct are equally shared by their immediate neigbhours and even people further away.

In my town we say "onye ulu" just like Awka say, for "onye ori/oshi" in Igbo Izugbe. There is nothing unique about Awka.

bigfrancis21:

You're right. The thread should have been in Igbo instead but not everyone writes Igbo well. And like Afam said, we don't want anyone to be left out.

O dikwa ka anyi a ya-ebido subakwa Igbo ebe anunwa. Nwa awka, kedu ife I lo?

If you start the thread in Igbo and Chinenye Ngwa comes in and drop atomic bomb what wii you do ? The acknowledgement of Chinenye's written Ngwa is the beginning of wisdom

Ugbolo one ka m kwugolu na nnabata IGBO IZUGBE ya egbu onu gboo ayi ? Amaka emena onu Okodu kam ya na asu,lukwaa achi. Aya eti m' ife ?

Antivirus nwanne,the topic of this thread I a bit misleading compare to the opening post. Well,like you said,we should accept those who accept their Igboness and ignore the rest. You know what they say,time is a teacher.

As for Inno...that boy na etinye nmadu ifele n' anya !

Abagworo,I don't answer to you cultureless troll! Op is an Awka man and Awka has Nri settlers just like the rest of Anambra towns,Anioma and parts of Enugu and Northern Imo and we know ourselves. You are an outsider interfering in what is non of your business. Why don't you go write about some Ikwerre,Imo or Abia culture ? You are obsessed with Omanbala !

I don't see the Edo tribes deriding the Benin nor the yorubas deriding the Ife kingdom.

Stay away from Abagworo because he hates Nri and his descendants. Make him your friend and that spells your downfall. Respect Nri and honor will come your way. Unless if you want us to invade Awka and strip you of all Nri culture you Adamas borrowed from our forefathers!

Nobody said Nri were the first to live in the Anambra area; It was even written that when Eri arrives at the Omanbala river he me some people,which were described as INFERIOR people but they were known as the "ADAMA" and they are everywhere in Anambra of today. Eri introduced his much superior culture and civilization and colonized them to a better humans. If Awka were not of Eri then they are definitely the ADAMAs.

In Umuoji we also have a village known for their metal work,so don't make it seem like only Awka made metals. Yes,they are the most famous but they aren't the only one.
Write your history and don't try to dent the image of Nri. That's an abomination punishable by hanging,in my opinion. Because Nri is the beacon of Igbo identity.

We brought the prestigious Nze n' Ozo.
Igu-Aro
Ofala/Ovala
Eke,oye,afor na Nkwo.
Ichi scarification.
13 months of the year.

Awka is not the only metal working community in the area of Nri influence. The metal work discovered by the anthropologists in Igbo-nkwo(Igboukwu) were produced by the Ora-ERI who were driven away from the location after the war with Igbonkwo. So,am sorry to bust your bubble, those metal works were produced by Nri people. While you are very busy trying to uplift your town by attempting to put down the people that gave Igbo her pride,you have ended up denying yourself the greatness and pride that comes with aligning and associating oneself with Nri. By the way,what's up with the name of the town URU-ERI in Awka ? I guess you have more research to do on that.

And let me spell it out to you,NO BODY FROM IGBOLAND BREAKS A KOLA BEFORE THE EZE-NRI!

Look,it is ok for you to write your history but do not attempt to put down the superiority of Ifikuanim and his descendants. You think Abagworo likes you ? What's does "Nri revisionists" mean ? This is a very informative and educative thread but you seem to be in desperation to deny Nri influence,civilization and colonization of the Awka man. Don't piss me off. Write your history and keep Nri out of your mouth,if you could just like Onitsha people has done.

Yujin if from Anambra. I don't see what that has to do with the question posed to you. Mind you,without the Eastern Igbo this threat will be left for you and you alone. Better be nice.