₦airaland Forum

Experience has taught me not to believe or dismiss anything in Nigeria until proven wrong or right. So fingers crossed.

If he explains from now till end of the year, a shameless person and an ignorant fool will never understand. So he shouldn't bother explaining anything cos the shame is obvious enough.

Undoubtedly- Fashola

Eko o ni baje.

@ Topic

This is laughable. It will not happen.

Dede1:
Siblings often engage each other in fight and many times, there cousins will gather to settle differences with wise and honest concessions. If the ekiti and Ijebu decide to dull in Odua Republic, the Ife will step in to settle the differences with honest and no jaundiced deliberation.

Why cant we promote same brotherhood in the bigger picture of the entity called Nigeria.

Dede1:
Whether it should be a matter of wild assumptions of wrong or right, what ethnicity did what or not, what section of the jungle called Nigeria gets befitting infrastructures, I am unflinchingly bent on disintegration of Nigeria. The crux of the retrogressive nature of the geographical expression lies with the act of fusing nation states into one cesspit called Nigeria by the colonial buffoons.

There is no doubt that Nigerians have run dry on the spirit of good neighborhood since dwelling together under one roof called Nigeria. There is a shining indicator that nothing tangible will come out of present configuration of Nigeria and the only solution is disintegration. At this stage of Nigerian current affairs, the idea of calling for national conference is a mere succor to the status quo.

I do not give a rat-backside if war of attrition is the only method that will see to the disintegration of the colonial contraption. However, if the only amiable solution warrants granting sovereignty to every ethnic group in Nigeria, I am for it.

Think about it, there is no tribe that is totally bad or totally good in Nigeria. How are we sure if for instance we have Odua republic that the ekitis will not be contending with the Ijebus or the egbas with the ijesha people. The solution is to find a 'formula' that will work for us. And am sure we can find one if we are sincere.

Without meeting the father, I think I know who she took after already Its not everytime we like seeing ourselves in the mirror

Fhemmmy:
as a matter of fact, i wont mind at all . . . . .i think most women uses the kids as the reasons for the man to stay around.

The kids should not be the problem. We can send them on holidays too. The can go spend time with some relatives. But i dont know how many mothers want to leave their kids for long.

Katsumoto:
The problem with everyone having a vote is one of education or lack of it. While the people in the south may be able to voice their individual opinions, that is not the case in the north. The people in the north are still being spoken for by their emirs and few elites. Until they are educated, they will continue to used as pawns by the northern elites. Ndu_chuks and sjeezy have reminded us of the stark realities about break-up should some groups advocate it. Do you think the emirs and their kind would be able to threaten war each time SNC or secession is mentioned if their constituents were better informed? I don't think so. I for one, assume that the southerners do not want another war. We see this problem everytime, there is destruction of properties and rampaging murders of innocent civilians in Northern cities for whatever reason.

So to answer your question, as long as the North (Hausa/Fulani, Nupe, etc) continue to band together, some tribes will continue to rely on size for domination.

As much as I agree with some of your points, it is the south that needs to wake up. The truth is - there is nothing like One north again. read in btw the lines and happenings.

Kobojunkie:
We have a democracy now, and I say we start to act it at all levels. If the people SPEAK, let it be that the people have SPOKEN. People need to be allowed to speak out on an individual level not really on a tribal or ethnic level anymore. There is just as much divide at the ethnic level as there is at the tribal level, so why switch one dirty pair of socks for another?

On the major tribes wanting their dominance, would we want that to continue? Is that the part of what this SNC is going to be about STILL?

Dont forget at the SNC, there would be debate and voting on issues. So the numbers and the weight allotted to each ethnic group will count. but I think I agree more with the option A4 in choosing representatives.

Kobojunkie:
Ethnic groups again?? More division?? If we want to achieve is a way forward, why not follow the MKO election module prescribed earlier and allow EACH Nigerian a chance to decide the future?

No. It was a suggestion in line with representatives for the SNC, but I think the major tribes will still want their dominance. If only each ethnic group can carry equal weight, then it will be fine.

I agree with the option A4. think that will work. at least it has been tested.

sjeezy8:
Theres no such thing as "peaceful" seperation unless you are talkin about seperating the part of Nigeria with the least amount of oil. Something similar but not exact to becomeriches plan. Those in the North, Fed government and Military get more than 50% of their income from Oil money plain and simple. (try and tell those northern military men no food for you) you think they will break up peacefully?

Elites consists of political elites -  there cannot be a SERIOUS national conference without the likes of Ojukwu, Obj, IBB, Buhari, Tinubu, Atiku and co in one room. . . . Those like Wole Soyinka and co are just mediators and have no political power in Nigeria.  being realistic
Everyone should just relax and let the rotational policy( which i dont agree with) with take place after the East and south south get presidents rigged in from their region Nigeria will be calm and peaceful. After which no one can complain about being marginalized and other excuses.

If the bolded are the ones to discuss in the SNC, then it will be pure waste of time. nothing good and meaningful can come out of those. They will only protect their selfish interest.

Beaf:
It will have to be by ethnic group, so there will be no North or South or West or South South (if any groups form alliances, all well and good). Everybody will answer to the ethnic group and tell us what they want and how they want it. Each vote will have equal weight.

Beautiful, wish it is possible, but I dont see it work. The major ethnic groups will not accept the equal weight term.

Kobojunkie:
I think you should consider the post below again  to maybe understand why having ALL THE OPTIONS on the table right from your first conference may not be as good as you think . . . .

I am not sure how many people you know who believe we were FORCED together. I would wait for @Stillwater's poll to even believe the majority of average Nigerians believe that to be the case.

Read my post again. I do not believe we will break up, but we must discuss everything.

And was there ever a time we agreed to live together? have we ever answered the question?

Actually, I do not believe putting all the options on the table in a SNC will lead to breaking up. But even for posterity sake, it must be on record that we agreed to live together. The entity call Nigeria is 100yrs old (since 1909 if am correct) but till date we still believe we were forced together. That impression must change for the good of everyone. Then we can agree on how we want to live together, what kind of federalism we want and on other conditions.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=363206.msg5075471#msg5075471 date=1260307951]Some see the glass as half empty while others see it as half full. I'm afraid I don't share your dooms day scenario.[/quote]Not exactly, I just don't see why in 2009 we can not ask ourselves the simple question 'Do we want to live together' without going to war.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=363206.msg5075424#msg5075424 date=1260307489]A SNC will not happen anytime soon as long as people insist on including discussions on breaking up the country.  It may be better to start with discussing how to live together peacefully and with equal justice for all.  We've already fought a war to keep Nigeria one.

The smart thing to do, in my view, is to negotiate, rather than try to dictate a suicidal agenda.[/quote]That to me means postponing the evil days. If the foundation is wrong, whatever we build on it can not stand the test of time.

violent:
You guys talk about being self employed as if say na dodo
u dont just wake up one day to be self employed, u need money, innovation and contacts to begin with and you only get all these with experience over time, any sector you are planning to go into is already tightened up with competition, and there are no victories without losers, many are determined to see you loose, therefore you need to put your sweat, your blood and your tears into it, its a long tough road, it starts with Experience and please dont call it slavery

True!!! But shouldnt be. Guess the violent take it by force then!!!  

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=363206.msg5075196#msg5075196 date=1260304760]I wonder whether Nigerians of the eastern extraction could be open to the idea of a "Sovereign National Conference" where serious issues could be ironed out, but a conference which excludes any discussion of breaking up the country? I believe progressives in the North are quite open to the idea of federalism and we could discuss how to accomplish "true" federalism in such a conference.

Millions of lives were lost during the civil war to keep nigeria one, and anyone that believes that Nigeria will breakup peacefully this time, should think again.

make i go come.[/quote]Any meaninful discussion must include all options. We must start from do scratch. The 1st question must be - Do we want to live together? If yes how? and on what terms? Only then can we experience sincere progress.

Onlytruth:
If Nigerians want to get to the problem of bad leadership, THERE MUST BE A SOVEREIGN NATIONAL CONFERENCE, and all options must be on the table, else we are wasting our time.
Remove that fear of the breakup of Nigeria, you will be shocked at how fast we get to the solution. Simple.

Totally agree with you.

Nice one. How i wish it would make a difference.

Jesus wept!!!

It is a choice.

For those who just want to survive, retire and live on pension and children support, paid job is ok.

But if you love your independence and you wish to make a mark then you have to start your own business. The earlier the better.

How many people got rich through paid employment?

Starting your own business is also not that easy:

You must have the right business idea.
You must have the resources to execute the idea. (human, material, financial etc)
You must know how to deal with the Nigeria factor – infrastructural problems

make your choice.

[quote author=phuck_NL link=topic=363408.msg5073564#msg5073564 date=1260290225]Why r u all bothering urslef. He is the same person. Tamita and Sollobee are the same. He started the thread i quoted above as well. Ignore him.[/quote]BUSTED!!! To think I wasted my time on advising you. on your tamita thread.

Be real and honest, thats the only way you can trully move forward in life.

ifyalways:
see your life . . .so where u are coming from women cant afford good lawyers or even charge and bail?
Luckily,Irene is a lawyer.
@Topic,i hope it turns out well.

A charge and bail lawyer is not a good lawyer, she needs the best against someone like Keyamo.

I made the comment base on this
[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=360805.msg5038556#msg5038556 date=1259798184]The woman represented by the office of the Public Defender, through their counsel, Mr. Jonathan Ogunsanya, told the court that they had a motion on notice dated November 11, 2009, which the court eventually allowed, since there was no objection from the applicant.[/quote]She needs a better lawyer, at least a SAN against Keyamo 

foyeks2001:
i cant even date such a person?God forbid
i dont like his kind of person(he always feels like sumone that knows too much)

Why do I think you mean opposite? Talk true now, its not a crime to have a crush on someone, its what you do with it that matters.  

BTW, those your lips are assets o, dont believe Keyamo 20m can afford it anyway. When i come to Abuja next year, i will find them out. cant miss them among millions.  

honeric01:
then, he can always warm the stuffs before using it if you want it hot

The plastic go melt for fire jor.  

You dont know the power of authenticity o. Original no be fake o. Women know the difference. Se you hear chaircover.  

If it is not panadol, it's not the same thing as panadol

honeric01:
Never denying the fact that we have alot who won't stay, it's a reality and yes it's also a reality that we have quite a number of women who would stay. those who didn't get into the marriage for the sex per say.

Let me be on same page with you and safe the arguments.

yes there are few that might stay for other reasons.

But since majority will leave, lets take the position of the majority and advice people.

So my take on the subject is - If the woman will only stay with you out of self pity and would be bangining other guys out there, let her go. Simple!

honeric01:
In our society, it's a no no, but in a western world, it might be ignored. you can't be allowed to have kids with women you didn't get married to without people having a negative name for you.

I would rather do what makes me happy than please the society at the cost of my happiness. Besides societies change!