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mybestlove:
I stand with the governor. Why should a teacher (no matter the level) fail a primary school test below 75%. I believe those teachers studied up to secondary school certificate or teachers' training schools. If they are below 75% then, it will be difficult for them to produce scholars above that 75% competence.
I'll encourage the federal government to copy this and extend this test to other teachers all over the federation. Few years ago when Oshiomole did similar thing in Edo state, it was the same surprise that we saw. Let the unqualified be flushed out and make way for those graduates and other qualified citizens roaming the streets.
This is a clear indicator to why private schools are surviving more than government schools.
Though I'm anti El Rufai, I give him a thumb up for that move.

Intendy:
Yes sir

Intendy:
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dipoolowoo:
Buhari Directs EFCC to Investigate SEC Boss
https://www.businesspost.ng/2017/11/28/buhari-directs-efcc-investigate-sec-boss/

stokfrick:
All these just to pull the stock down, after which Una go load then cash out

currentprice:
Brov, this is not new, it always on d table, they didn't hide it. If u check all their audit report since 2013 it there. Anyway part of my cileasing loot is here and am not shaking

Intendy:
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Jsaviour:
Where is the rest if you are already having nightmares and sleepless nights because of freeze alone.

The unrest is for you guys who want to commit suicide because some people touched their Go's source of income.
I don't always have time for religious slavery and acts like you guys and as such unaffected by it.
I am only trying to respond to you guys 'pleading for supporters' thread.

Whether you like it or not the sleepless nights will continue to you guys until Jesus comes to save you from the gullible state your Go has put you.

Don't worry, I will be praying for you to receive freedom and experience the kind of joy that surpasses all understanding like me which can only happen when you become an independent child of God and not a baby tossed to and fro by one tout.

Jsaviour:
Hahhahahhahah������. This one weak me. Did I hear you say "threats", that's you peoples logo- always threatening people who refuse to follow your Go's sheepishly. So why cry foul now. The gate of hell indeed[b], there won't be rest [/b] ;Duntil all of you are freed from your mental slavery by pastorprenuers.

Nobody is against the church, they are only against the dubious acts of the men you worship as God.

Jsaviour:
Then why are you guys running helter skelter just because of 1 man- freeze. What will happen when the same measure used by you people is used on you guys by many. Freeze alone is giving you guys sleepness night. Just know that no matter what happens, the time to be fed with the same spoon you use on others is here and you can't run away from it. You guys will keep creating threads upon threads, get ready.

Jsaviour:
That everyone is doing something doens't make it right or haven't you heard of educated illiterates?. That learned people do it doens't still make it right.
Nobody said you shouldn't pay tithe, but don't coarse people with fear to join you which is what you guys have been doing ever since.
Just calm down, the things to come will shock you.
I bet you, what most of you do is religious practices like the Pharisees and not spirituality.

Jsaviour:
Freeze isn't interested in starting up a business venture like your Go's, he only wants people to start using their head and brain. God that gave you brain isn't stupid. Don't allow another man think for you or cage you in fear to enrich his pocket. People have not been attacking the church rather it has been the church doing that but power has changed hands. Be prepared for more truths to be unveiled, you would be shocked at the lies you have been fed with.

An2elect2:
Lol i'll just allow you come through this tithiing lie first. When God wills to have mercy on you, basic bible truths would be lay bare before you.

Till then, salvation, holiness, repentance and everything that we need are in Christ. And Christ is the gift of life given to whoever God wills. Till then.

Jsaviour:
Still beating around the Bush. Christains and pastors have dealth with people enough and just a dose of what they have been doing to others they are crying foul. Some will even tell you how you will go to hell if you don't pay tithe or how you will remain poor. Isn't that enough cursing already. Now that they just touched only tithe aspect you guys are bleeding already. You have seen nothing yet, more are coming

An2elect2:
God uses instruments or means but when did we start ascribing his deeds to mortals who "single-handedly..."

Yes God uses men to reach other men as He has ordained but men/means are dispensable because God can still reach us without them.
The point is God is the one delivering and saving people, whatever He uses to do that should not give anyone the guts to deny Him as the only one responsible for our salvation

I know that "holiness" Kumuyi preaches. It is not what Hebrews describes as holiness. The Holiness the bible speaks of is rooted in the finished work of Christ. Kumuyi's is based on "doing good to earn heaven" which is another gospel entirely. A false one

Same way we are commanded to repent even though repentance is a gift of God

Its not the Holy spirit of the Bible. God is not an author of confusion.

Jsaviour:
Hahhahahah, there he runs again. The truth can't be hidden for long neither cannot n covered up for long. Nobody says argue, simply Support you claim of tithe paying with facts thats all you need to do.

nairanaira12:
You said anyone can quote the Bible. If someone that you call a sinner can quote Bible better than your pastors, then your pastors must be half-baked Christians.

Imagine if Satan can quote the Bible more than a Christian (let alone a pastor), then that Christian (or pastor) is a defeated soul. You better be careful what you write in an attempt to win argument by force

Jsaviour:
Just counter his point. This is 10-0. The truth is always bitter.

An2elect2:
Your first statement is ridiculous but how would you know? The fact is no man can do any of that. No man can bring anyone out of occultism or sinful lifestyle except Christ through His death on the cross and by His will.

Kumuyi is reverred for preaching morality. Holiness is different from morality. You cant preach holiness without the finished work of Christ on the cross. Holiness is one of the fruits of the gospel of the cross and not a distinctive message anyone was called to preach. We are to preach Christ that defines everything not "holiness"

What kind of holyspirit does he preach about that has no respect for biblical truths, Adebayo? There are so many spirits and false christs.

nairanaira12:
This is not a question of whether he has done anything for the church or not.

It is a question of the verity and truthfulness of the doctrines your pastors are preaching.

God won't judge you in heaven by what you did for his church or by the number of miracles you perform on earth. He will judge you by your faithfulness to his Word and commandments.

How many of your pastors are following God's word? How many of them will enter heaven if they should die today?

Daddy freeze challenged them based on the scriptures. Why do they find it difficult to counter his challenges via the scriptures? Maybe it's because their doctrines aren't biblical. Maybe it's because they are teaching you guys errors, heresies, and blasphemies coated in the superfluity of words and big grammars originating from the doctrine of men.

And you too are swallowing it because it sounds sweet and impressive to your hearings. You don't care if what they teach is biblical or not as long as it sounds sweet.

And do you know what God said about your pastors that are teaching you errors for their personal gain? He said it is better that they were not born.... He also said it is better for a grinding stone to be hung around their necks and throw them into the sea to drown.

What you've done for the church doesn't matter. What matters is the truthfulness of your teachings as a pastor.

An2elect2:
What have mr Kumuyi and Adeboye done for the faith except destroy it?

nairanaira12:
Have you seen the blindness in your way now? And you aren't the only one relishing and glorying in this blindness.

You feel anyone that opposes what you do in your churches, e.g. daddy freeze, is a sinner or doesn't see the light.

Your statement reeks of spiritual blindness and pride, which will lead to a fall for you. How many of your pastors are better than daddy freeze? How many church owners in Pentecostal churches are closer to God than daddy freeze? What even gives you the impression that daddy freeze doesn't see the light? He took all his points from the Bible, but has any of your pastors being able to satisfactorily counter his points via biblical truths?

You guys should shut up and stop seeing others as outcasts because they don't attend Pentecostal churches. Many of you Pentecostals may end up in hell, while the daddy freeze you think doesn't know God will enter heaven.

bidahjay:
[s]SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING


I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in Chap. 3, Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: Well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.
Sentencing....... All Arise .....[/s]

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