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Olu317:
Not the white Arabs. The Arabs werent white because the seat of power of Arabs was Babylonia,which is in present day Iraq. And the history of Ishmael lineage was Dsrk skin Egyptian woman and a descendant of Chaldean, whose complexion wasn't any white ancestry as well.
The experiment you may lay claim to as the invasion of Egypt, which was the period of annihilation of dark skin people when Egypt fell during the Islamic revolution around 616–629 AD or something close to it ,which is known in the academics as the ‘Rashidun invasion of Egypt' .

Agree with you100% Olu because the mixing is still going on ...First king of the world Nimrod was a black man.. Babylonia Empire came after Alexander the great ,the greatest rapist of all time Alexander the great caused more damage and pain with his penile than the sword with his band of rapist they raped the Middle East of their Black ancestry before he was caught short by syphilis . They are still black Iraqis in Iraq they are excluded from the society extremely repressed by the pale skinned Iraqi's tagged slaves living in the remote mountains of Iraq..Whites are known rapist , the trait they inherited from their ancestor the Neanderthals. Neanderthals is hominid known for their homosexuality and raping ... Raping of homesapien by the Neanderthals gave birth to white race.... �

Moorish:
You are no Kushite

These are the kushites I know

You look nothing like an original kushite in your profile

He is Victim of biological weapon..the white Arabs really caused havoc with there devilish seeds and raped the blackness out of that region they castrated the male used therm as slaves and turn the females to sex slaves . The few survival ran south and west of the Sahara to mix with their brothers

12salim:
No,im cushite (Somali+Amhara mix). Moors,Maurus,Mauros are terms to define the indigenous berbers of Mauretania. Later the term was used to indentify arabs and muslims in general too(Europeans propably didn't know how exactly the people of Mauretania looked like and generalized the term).

Moors are blacks the Arabs now occupied Mauritanian the blacks are being oppressed and marginalized by the lighter skin Arabs .....Moor kind of Islam is not accepted by Arabs the moors are now wandering the Sahara desert

12salim:
Well, african heritage is indeed our own,but yoruba aren't moorish as moors are the indigenous berbers of the Maghreb and the term later was even used to refer to arabs and muslims in general too in Andalus.

Hey are you Berber Salim ? Moors not a race, moors are not a distinct or self-defined people but a Muslim brotherhood and the majority of them were blacks Muslims and Jewish ( black Berbers, in Morocco western Algeria, Senegalese soninke people Malians. Niger, Nigeria and other Muslims scholars around African Sahara the moors are still in Mauritania and Senegal .. Berber of the north Maghreb are mixed with turks now Moor came before the Turkish empire that polluted your ancestry

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0balufonlll:
1. Osin Ora was an Ife man. He lived on Oke Ora towards Opa side in our town. (Are you familiar with this location?). He was in interactions with Idio group in Ilare (you know Idio or at least Ilare right?) and Ejio (you know Ejio in Moore, correct?). When he came down with other hill residents Ejio met up with him at Moore, they had banters and led him to Idio where the hill settlers settled.

2. The whole Waddai Ijebu origin is nonsense. It began with the imaginative fantasy of Hebrew & Arab connection that keeps sprouting generationally. Ijebu king & an Ijebu Balogun gave statements to colonialists acknowledging their Ife origins. They reflected this by fighting on Ife’s side in all the wars Ife was engaged in. Even the Ekitiparapo war where Ife fought Modakeke. The Ijebu refused to go home until even though Ijebu had no direct or indirect gains in Ife/Modakeke question. I dowbloaded some texts from my Jstor account today & saw an old work on Ijebu, I could share it with you later after they upload to my dropbox & iCloud.

3. They are Ugbo (pronounced like dodo) not Igbo. The autocthonous peoples of Ife are all Ugbo. The 13 quarters of Ife are made up of Ugbo. The difference is some supported the dabaru in the system while some did not support it. For those who supported some stayed while some were very irritated that they left - the Ilaje. Although Ife has been somewhat structured along Ogbon that overlaps across the 13 communities, each of the communities know themselves and their early history confirms they were Ugbo. For example, your ancestor, Obalufon had Ugbo origins.

4. Coming up with facts include using Primary & Secondary sources. Primary sources include oral evidences which include oriki as Olu317 said. Ifa verses, songs, chants; government gazetted documents. For secondary sources you’ll look at books, news papers, journal articles & so on. The key thing here is being trained to sieve legitimate evidences from false data - this is what makes a Historian.

yes i know Ugbo not Igbo.. do you believe Olugbo claim that ife are foreigners ... l'm learning from you brother ..I'm ife aborigine..i said it earlier i know my root ..but if 84 yrs old monarch could claim Sudan Origin something definitely wrong somewhere .Orunmila master Historian!!... Ogbon Ana ya to si ti o ni lo mu Orunmila teri ba fun Amusun Omo re'..Knowledge of today supersede that of yesterday ..i respect you brother ....Where did Oduduwa come from ??...Osi Ora ..Oduduwa was from Oke ora....Good i love this ..who is Osi Ora father ?

0balufonlll:
Bro, you stated that ‘Historians said something’, I pleaded to have the names of these Historians and the work wherein they said this thing but you posted a quote from a blog weblink that has nothing to do with Historians, really?

You do know if you were at a conference presenting a paper or defending a research thesis this could ruin your entire work & profile? Like seriously, this weblink is the source of your claim apart from failing to provide names of Historian and the works? Wow.

Bro, that weblink is trash. It is filled with guesses and conjectures just like a lot of people come on Nairaland to post fantasies they come up with in their head. Every work be it original or secondary source-based requires a lot of time on the field or in books gathering data& no one, I mean no one, posts any work be it original or secondary source based on the internet after all the time they have put it. They either use journals or book publishinh houses.

Please do not contribute to the rot in Yoruba History. A lot of Historians have given up on Yoruba History because every Yoruba is now a pseudo-historian coming up with nonsensical crap. A good number of Historians have turned to contemporary history and the few that remain find it difficult to put out their work because pseudo historians are everywhere especially on the internet.

Bruh, if history interests you that much, instead of reading/posting web-links with faugazy history such as this, why not take money out of your pocket to buy journal articles on Jstor? Heck, you can even read for free on Jstor. You will find that after you read extensively you’ll find gaps, thirst for knowledge and hit the field to conduct oral questionings even if it is about your own hometown or immediate environment. That way you’ll approach the history of your place with authority and facts and help add to the reconstruction of Yoruba history as a whole.

The Yoruba History Research Scheme that started in the 50s by old Professors like Akinjogbins & co have done a lot of work. A lot of books/journal articles from this era abound in university libraries waiting to be read. You can assess your school/alma mater library for copies and read them. Posting conjectures & fantasies from the head & weblinks such as the one you posted is unfair to Yoruba & the coming generations. They will see these posts and get even more confused and possibly develop identity problems like some AAs who think they are Hebrew, Arab, Native Indians and they can be excused for their confusion but we can not.

Thank you, champ.

Where did Oduduwa come from...Do you believe Ijebus are From Northern Sudan Wadai, ..How do Nigerian is Historian come up with facts ? I am willing to learn..Who were the igbos in Ife what language do they speak then. Orunmila master Historian

0balufonlll:
Bro, you stated that ‘Historians said something’, I pleaded to have the names of these Historians and the work wherein they said this thing but you posted a quote from a blog weblink that has nothing to do with Historians, really?

You do know if you were at a conference presenting a paper or defending a research thesis this could ruin your entire work & profile? Like seriously, this weblink is the source of your claim apart from failing to provide names of Historian and the works? Wow.

Bro, that weblink is trash. It is filled with guesses and conjectures just like a lot of people come on Nairaland to post fantasies they come up with in their head. Every work be it original or secondary source-based requires a lot of time on the field or in books gathering data& no one, I mean no one, posts any work be it original or secondary source based on the internet after all the time they have put it. They either use journals or book publishinh houses.

Please do not contribute to the rot in Yoruba History. A lot of Historians have given up on Yoruba History because every Yoruba is now a pseudo-historian coming up with nonsensical crap. A good number of Historians have turned to contemporary history and the few that remain find it difficult to put out their work because pseudo historians are everywhere especially on the internet.

Bruh, if history interests you that much, instead of reading/posting web-links with faugazy history such as this, why not take money out of your pocket to buy journal articles on Jstor? Heck, you can even read for free on Jstor. You will find that after you read extensively you’ll find gaps, thirst for knowledge and hit the field to conduct oral questionings even if it is about your own hometown or immediate environment. That way you’ll approach the history of your place with authority and facts and help add to the reconstruction of Yoruba history as a whole.

The Yoruba History Research Scheme that started in the 50s by old Professors like Akinjogbins & co have done a lot of work. A lot of books/journal articles from this era abound in university libraries waiting to be read. You can assess your school/alma mater library for copies and read them. Posting conjectures & fantasies from the head & weblinks such as the one you posted is unfair to Yoruba & the coming generations. They will see these posts and get even more confused and possibly develop identity problems like some AAs who think they are Hebrew, Arab, Native Indians and they can be excused for their confusion but we can not.

Thank you, champ.

Orunmila master Historian ..

Olu317:
You see, the distortion is the problem with Yoruba history ,especially among the incoherent information. Do you even know a white man was an initiate at one time or the other in IFE history? If people who are supposed to do the right do the right thing but ignore to do the right thing,then , the chosen ones of God, will reveal the hidden information because Èlèfumarè has record of everyone in the past,present and the future.
Whoever told you odua died young lied. This is because, his first son left IFE as a prince to found his own kingdom. Even a grandson,known later as O bù okún fetched the atlantic to cure the blindness of Odua in the presence of Óoré Otun. The same Ótun that vehemently disconnect his own lineage from Odua from beginning because Odua welcome him and his group to his kingdom. So, there is iota of truth in this information . In as much that you could not provide the exact age that Odua died ,then my information stand unopposed. Trust me you and I have no clue.

Secondly,Odua wasnt Obamakin's contemporary but Obatàlà's . And Obàmàmàkin was Ogùn Onìrè's ( Óo nì rè),that was chased away and became brutal ,thereafter.After, he was chased away and died somewhere in Shakì, Oranmiyan came. Before Oranmiyan came, he had been chased away stylishly by Obalufon 1st, but unfortunately for Obatala's group,he was chased to become well experienced. And when he returned ,he restored his ancestor's throne and civil war ensued.Today,the divine kings are the Odua's descendants. I am sure you know the adage, tì òwò òmòdèdè o bà té ékù'dà ,ko nì bèrè ìkù to pà bà ré. This was the second time of the struggle of IFÉ's throne. After Oranmiyan died, Obalufon 2nd returned to plead with people to make peace. And thereafter, Oranmiyan's descendants and his older family relatives stood against the fall of IFE.

Thirdly, a lot of kings are related to Odua because, it is either through maternal side or paternal. Funny enough the odua descedants are the ones with multiple twins and multiple birth. Dont ask why because Oluigbo has an account.

Fourthly, I have Ife's knowledge on this and Ife's knowledge isn't the only group that have knowledge on the exploit of Oranmiyan in Oyo except through áàróbà.So don't make it look as if all Yoruba history or Ife's history is solely one sided.

Fifthly,can you give account of all the names of kings before Odua? I dare you

Lastly, even you as a person do not realise,a particular exploit and nicknames are unique to some families.This is the reason Ìgùn mean something differenr to Obalufon and Odua descendants.On the etymology, I am looking for the people like you to explain the etymology too. I keep mute on it for now.

Ìgùn mean

Moorish:
Okay, bye bye!

Don't say good bye bro ..We are in the dark all we need is more light .

googi:
Moore,

I wish I can convince you but you are an educated man that skewed your knowledge to inferiority complex. But most blacks do that even outside Africa. They always refer to their one drop of European blood no matter how much African blood they have in them.

Then, when looking for organ donors, whites are surprised that their closest genetic match is black or the other way around.

Does that make a white man black or a black man white?

You are no different from the most pure Hausa that claim Fulani is their blood in order to gain privileged class.

BTW, the oldest fossil evidence of man is closer to Sudan than Ethiopia. Your East Africa come after. That is still closer to lfe.

Your problem is not education or more info. but complex that has turned Africans into providers of raw materials for life.

Are you disproving migration of Africans or black moors legacy ... what is the difference between Nupe man and igbo or calabar man?...

Moorish:
My mum is pre-dominantly fula

moors were black people from Africa Ancient Ghana soneinke people in present Mauritania senegalese. Major generals of the campaign were from Senegal Malian Bambaras fula ,Berber in the north is the same family as Bariba in Borgu and beriberi in bornu they have the same historical cultural connection they traded between themselves ..... Bornu Empire stretched to Libya ..European account of black moors they were seen as black as ink tall with scarification on their face they were so terrified they didn't raise their sword they fled by the sight of them.. if the major moors were white Arabs they would be monument for them yet they have lot painting and sculptures of black moors around Europe .. Spanish too have subsahara DNA... Italian Sicilian are dark skinned 10 % subsaharan their's were due to Hannibal invasion of Roman empire during Punic war and The used of black Jew by the Roman Empire to fight wars

Moorish:
8% is a huge number

And this unique DNA sequence is exclusive to west Africans

Interesting

Do you know Italian Sicilian have 10% sub Saharan DNA in them ... I have a friend from Bornu state that had a DNA test done on him it shows 2% middle east 1 %Greece , people migrate .. Nupe man DNA will have Sudanic/ middle east admixture ..likewise fula...

People are just stupid , from knowledge of anthropology and etymology i know all blacks aren't the same .. we come different genetic variant that gives human diversity...

MetaPhysical:
May his soul rest in peace.

Aworeni adisa may his soul rest in perfect ..

No one is claiming moor here ....Moors are not a distinct or self-defined people..Moors is a believe system is not ethnicity or race of people moors were difference blacks people from difference part of Africa fula ,Senegalese North African Berbers real black Berbers not the Turk admixture , Sudan ,and middle east united under one believe system Islam with infusion kemetic science

kayfra:
Moors ko Maltina ni. Yorubas have been indigenes of west africa with some mixture with migrants from north of the sahara. Don't let a tiny admixture redefine who we really her

Admixture from where ?..Where in north of Sahara?. Nupe people claim Egyptian Origin likewise Igala Bariba claim Middle east Oyo claim Mecca.origin .Ijebu monarch claim Sudan Origin...

I'm proud yoruba.. and also Ife aborigine . ....people don't just spring from a spot ..

0balufonlll:
Deities Oduduwa & Ogun pre-existed the human Oduduwa & Ogun among the people of old. They already imagined deity of creation & deity of war and other things natural & within human purview. However, the people of old also began to immortalize notable humans by pegging them to their deities or creating new deities for them.

Deity Oduduwa created earth. It is the bottom half of the spherical earth while Obatala is the upper half of the spherical bowl. While Obatala created humans, Oduduwa created earth.

The human Oduduwa (Osin Ora) was an Ife guy who plotted coup with certain families & usurped a structure that had long been on ground.

Of course, the duality or opposing nature between Oduduwa deity & Obatala deity was extended to Osin Ora & Orisa.

Deity Ogun to people of old is the god of war & blood shed. Note that war before iron was discovered was fought by non-iron means.

Human Ogun was the earliest to work Iron. This changed the war game & of course in Ife history, Ogun was Oduduwa’s team and the use of iron to fight the usurpation war was to the credit of Ogun. Ogun’s old tools are still in the site upon which the present palace is located.

Consequently, Ogun the human was given a hub in
Ogun the deity. Both benefitting from each other in stories wrapped around them as 1 fgure.

There were some culture heroes that did not have a deity to be fitted into & as a result spirirual stories emerged about them. For instance Obalufon 1 & 2, Oranmiyan & mostly founders of Yoruba kingdoms such as Orangun, Owa Obokun, Lagelu, Ogunfunminire & so on.

Good one bro... I like your mind..

Greeks aren't even white. They are Mediterranean with olive skin they Co exist with Nubian's and Ethiopian Egyptian Assyrian / Persian blacks Arab , Nothing like Brit's or French Germany they had no history they were considered as animals their history and technology is not up to 600yrs it starts from the collapse of moorish dynasty in Europe and slave trade The Greeks considered black to be so beautiful black were seen as god's way back then..Europe were disgusted by the moorish rule over Europe for more than 800yrs most royals in Europe has black moor ancestry ,hatred and racism was propagated by the Brit's .. Whites will never allow blacks to grow they are scared of us they are aware of our potentials . Black problem is self hatred nothing more once we uplift our self awareness we will move forward ,we are blessed we have everything yet we see ourselves as demon.. I go to church seeing black man as devil Angel as White man and my ancestors are considered demons... we are filled with hatred ..we hate ourselves but like our blue eyed masters we have been programmed to do so...

What is the difference between Oduduwa in creation and Oduduwa the king... Also Ogun the king and Ogun the first deity/Angel that paved way for other orisas to earth

0balufonlll:
What are you implying, my brother?

Well ,to my own little knowledge ""I maybe wrong"" i believe Oduduwa is a title ..Olofin Adimula was given a title of Oduduwa due to his ability to unite and bring all the 16 elders of the earliest Ife under his rule..

nice work here ..i really enjoy reading this brilliant thread ..we need the awos here ..i think i will invite babalowo into this forum

0balufonlll:
No, Adimula wasn't Oduduwa's real name.

Olofin adimula... Oduduwa....

Olu317:
Hmmmm,what a big question! Well,Yoruba was a coined word by a group of IFE migrants that established OYO Kingdom. Àwòn to Yó bì ójó ,tì wòn rù bì ìnà , tì wòn báà bì àdìé to sà'bà. The history of the word, ‘Yoruba,' is lost but the etymology of it, simplify it,because the name itself is of Yoruba origin. Yoruba names or words is/are descriptive in nature.This is the reason, I contest with anyone, who claimed non Yoruba gave the Yorubas the name. My reason isnt farfetched because ,it will be impossible to give a name to another person or group, if such name can be found in such person's or group's lexicon in an innumerable ways. Unlike others,who can't etymologise their own name(s). What it means, is that; Ìyì or ubà,'/Èyì ór u bà/Yì ,ór u bà / Yoruba(this one is a King). Although, some people claim, it was an arabic origin from a chased away group from Middle East, which I don't agree with because, a chased away group can not accept a slavish name as their name.So,I stuck with the former meaning because, I have asked people and their answers tilt toward this direction.

Have you heard about sheik Adam ilory on history of the Yorubas

Olu317:
Not true about all Caucasians.The clay skin man Abiram/Abram whose ancestors stayed in Oru-Or were the beginning of it all about crossbreeding. And the evils perpetuated by Roman were after the moor lost the battle in the Peninsula of Spain. If the Brits acknowledged their ancestors are dark skin, then ,there is no reason to abhor hatred. Even among the lieutenants of Alexander the great, was a dark skin man that served his father and Alexander, before the man was killed. His name was Cleitus (Clitus) the Black (Greek: Κλεῖτος ὁ μέλας; c. 375 BC – 328 BC) who was an officer of the Macedonian army, which was led by Alexander the Great. The point here is that, àwô(r) foreskin type wasn't the basis for ancient powers but class and conquest.

What is anthropology ? Anthropology started with racism. Do know how many research done on black man's brain and cranial structure just to dehumanize us and tagged us Monkey They are trying to somuch to disprove out of Africa theory or hypothesis they came up with Neanderthal claiming that is contributing factor for their higher IQ but were cut short when San bushmen and yoruba have trait of Neanderthal DNA. i don't want to argue what i know so well. black Americans will never forgive the whites likewise the native american Indian. blacks were used for syphilis experiments .during the race for vaccine for polio blacks were used for clinic trial of polio vaccine emergence of Aids could be traced to it because the serum used to synthesize or produce the vaccine were gotten from chimps that carry related virus as HIV ..white are devilish minded people ,they don't love you Olu. The earlier we know we are in race war the better for us blacks to wake up

Olu317:
I emphasis that clearly.The ancient Egyptians in their glory were dark skin,with broad nose as the ancient Hebrew,who ruled by the former before they migrated Eastward . Funny enough, the Hebrew history is more related to darker skin than the Assyrians because the colour of their skin was amo of Yoruba word for redsoil (clay)which is the same as amah(red earth)/in ancient Hebrew.

Ancient Hebrew: adamah mean : created from red soil, earth ,
Etymologically : ada+amah = created from redsoil or clay

The first biological weapon used by the white pale skinned people is their devil penis to spread their demonic seeds..They would kill the males or castrate them to be used as slaves or soldiers in battle and copulate with their females to have a new breed of demons that would later see their dark skinned brothers as inferior to them ..

Olu317:
I emphasis that clearly.The ancient Egyptians in their glory were dark skin,with broad nose as the ancient Hebrew,who ruled by the former before they migrated Eastward . Funny enough, the Hebrew history is more related to darker skin than the Assyrians because the colour of their skin was amo of Yoruba word for redsoil (clay)which is the same as amah(red earth)/in ancient Hebrew.

Ancient Hebrew: adamah mean : created from red soil, earth ,
Etymologically : ada+amah = created from redsoil or clay

Olu who are the Yorubas? and who are the IFE's What was the language spoken by the IFE aborigines before yoruba come into existence I know IFE predate Yoruba

Moorish:
Ogbomoso (papa) and mum (ibadan)

You most be moor for real, because Ogbomoso were known trader and traveler in the medieval time travelling as far as Sudan , mali North Africa to trade they embraced islam centuries before the Fulani jihad captured ilorin from afonja. Ogbomoso are yoruba with ancestry of bariba nupe.. maybe fula i can't say for sure

Moorish:
That makes sense

Obalufon do u think Fulani are our kin ?

My mum has Fulani ancestry and Yoruba too but identifies as Yoruba but I personally like the Fula people and I see them as blood

what part of yoruba are you from moor..

Sap0:
we are from ido-osun in osun state, a small town sandwiched btw osogbo and Ede..
we are an extension of the Enukoko royal family, our own extension is the sapoyoroo branch.
we are a royal Family and the current king of ido-osun is from the enukokos(sapoyooro branch)
I know ido-osun and ile-ife has a really close and historical connection, infact I know every new oni of ile-ife has rites to perform in ido-osun so the oni and oludo are usually close.
I know we are descendants of obalufon because that's what we are told from childhood, and we are also told the story of obalufon and how he migrated from ile-ife besides the whole family worship it, alot still go back to ido-osun during the right time of the year to do so,and when I was young, I still remembered my grandma being a priestess of obalufon, being worshipped mainly in white clothes..

I'm still pretty young though, but that's as far as I can remember,so I hope to learn more from you about obalufon.

I'm direct descendant of obalufon from ile-ife ...Obalufon remains the king he still lives on .but not in mortal body again he lived for very long years before turning to stone he still breathe as a normal human and live on likewise his father Obalufon ogbogbodirin he lived for 2000yrs plus ogbo ogbo odi irin he lived for extremely long years aged and turned to IRON ... that is why after coronation of a new king.. the king is forbidden to pass through obalufon area in IFE

Moorish:
Olu and obalufon Why do you think "ajala" is in the Arabic language ?

Why is it if you do a Google search "Ajala Sudan" "Ajala Egypt" "Ajala Saudi Arabia" you get natural artifcacts like mountains with that name, you get towns and villages with that name ..

Then Yoruba ancestors claim we came from mondiana, or Mecca

Are these claims too ridiculous given the connections I just highlighted and more from Yoruba vocabulary

There seems to be an Asiatic link for the yorubas

Did we colonize those lands or we emanated from there

Not all yoruba came from Mecca or east ,we have the aborigines too the IFE people.Yoruba is marriage of two culture that is what makes us different from other part of coastal forest Africans most of whom were barely clothe before our contact with them ..our culture civilization mode of dressing is different ... i believe ife is the cradle of mankind the returnee from the east too are were once off shoot of ile-ife but found their way back to the source ..

Moorish:
Ghadaffi confirmed your assertions in his speech when he visited kano decades ago I cannot find the link to the article again

But yes the real arabs were dark skinned, the prophet of Islam said his kinsman would be maltreated and enslaved by the ummah

Yes he was killed for that ..despite he himself being mixed but tied more to his black ancestry and give privilege to black Libyan but there are full blooded Turks and Syrian Arabs from Benghazi that opposed his rule ...Gadaffi over threw their Arab Turkish king Muhammad Idris bin Muhammad al-Mahdi as-Senussiin 1969