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Olu317:
You have been openminded because the ‘light' in you is greater than the darkness. Thus, you stumbled on a that tell the story of Olusi contracted as Luusi. Although I have read the site’s account but there are slight misinformation about his biological father.



Pardon me, I wont share anything else about Luusi because of disrespect for me and my ancestor.

is luusi the same as olusi?.. ..Mr Olu don't be discourage teach please .. Even Oni claim tower of babel. Garden of Eden Noah's ark is in IFE .. much about ile-ife that we don't know

i'm history enthusiast ..Mr olu please check out the site i posted ..if is related to the same Luusi you are talking about .. Pertaining olugbo research on Imahin /mahin a notable figure from ife was buried there .. They coined the name of the city from it ""mahin"" . where his buried

is getting interesting here ..we need a time machine to settle this intellectual/academic war ..

TimeMachine:
I stopped respecting silly cultures when I realized I am a human being and not my tribe. So, can you kiss a cow and move on and stop repeating what I already know ?

Why do you think that country called Nigeria is the way it is ? Cos your cultures and traditions are bestial and demeaning. A big man can do what ever he wants, after all he will be bowed down to.

you are a dead man already just bend over and kiss your ass goodbye

Olu317:
These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.


Cheers.

Moral ethical intellectual criticism is normal without resulting to use of vulgar words .

0balufonlll:
Lol contrary to my opinion? .

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. . Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. . I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond

laugh So Mr Olu na Ogberi..

MrPresident1:
The black renaissance will happen, the Dark ages will return, and this time around, it will last forever. No matter how hard they try, as no man can stop the day from breaking, or the sun from shining, so also all their works shall end in futility.

The judgment of the wicked is in the hands of the saints of God.

The day will surely come my brother

Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

who are the moba ? i want to learn .life is too short to be stuck up with one believe or ideas ..

Yeah i am younger at heart and wise enough to stay off what doesn't concern me.. lot of forum created by ibo hebrew jewish community go there and preach to them start from there first...Pls dont discorage the brother on this forum let him preach

macof:
smh. I had wanted to ignore this trolling but some stupid talk cannot be left without being called out lest it spreads


http://www.cbold.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/Lgs/LgXRefs.html
here is a complete list of all Bantu languages... most of them i had no idea even existed

Clearly there is no Ibo there

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41880586_1596675163811978_4168943111470317568_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=dfbe349768a6617ff0a49d3a937fe0c3&oe=5C18888A
Here is Igbo being placed with Yoruba as a Volta-Niger language

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41854589_1596675253811969_5868000781851951104_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=e4aac23ccf636972e57e3946708ee32d&oe=5C26DB72
here are Bantu languages(Bantoid) placed in Benue-congo group of language - a separate group from Volta-Niger

in case that is still too complicated for you.. here is a picture in colours clearly differentiating Igbo from the Bantu languages https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/African_language_families.png


stop making a mess of yourself.. faceless forum or not it is utterly stupid to go around trolling
so stop trolling and go get a life..you are obviously still very young

p.s I will not reply you again.. I hate trolls

this bullshit you posted was done by your white master to undermine african and create class base on phenotype. it has caused more war in Africa .anthropology is fraud and conspiracy to push white supremacy agenda.. I need to measure your skull index

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYvaA0Lz70A

bantu lineage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMrWh6s9pHI


ibos in 1949 colonial effort to cloth them and civilize them

Olu317:
Dem dem Ibo apologists continue in their ignorance...split kó ,divide ní . If Ibo split from Yoruba, why did Catherine Acholonu thesis counter it ? The same manner Atkinson said about language in west Africa as the place of its origin. Funny enough yoruba language was already in existence 3000 years ago. And this language was spoken in Egypt. Infact 3000 years ago was less 700 years before Jesus christ. . Kikikiki

Confuse set of people,who are bent in lumping my yoruba ancestors with Ibos' ancestors. As usual,they are here with incoherent statement of denying their claim that, ‘Ibos splitted from Yoruba and Yoruba are not Ibos'. . Confusion grandeur.


Below is a screenshot of kemet word present in Yoruba word list over 3000 years ago..........

ibos are later migrant from south African Congo region through Cameroon they are forest people hairy people and light skin due to the lack of sun.

OlaoChi:
. Who said Yoruba are igbos?

Jeez, you Hebrew wannabes lack common sense

Yoruba and Igbo split 3000 years ago doesn't mean Yoruba are igbos, it means they have a common origin

Igbos are not Bantu, Bantu people speak a Bantu language and Igbo speak a Volta-Niger language

You are a marauder Damn 3000yrs ago ibo slit with the pygmies Bantu scientifically proven not yoruba ..i will show you 5000yrs relics in Ife

Every yoruba word has wider meaning ...what is the meaning of Obirin?..

RedboneSmith:
LOL. This one is still looking for 100% cognacy before he accepts what every linguist in the world now knows to be a fact. But it only takes a handful of 'false cognates' to convince y'all that Yoruba is Semitic. LOL.

Anyway, I spotted no less than 10 words in your new list that have cognatic relationship with Igbo words, despite some semantic shifts. But no, I can't continue doing this with you. My patience isn't as bountiful as Macof's or ObalufonII's. Mine is quite thin. I can't do this with someone who doesn't have a fundamental grasp of historical linguistics and one who is a low-key 'tribe smearer' to boot.

..History written by who?..if you studied anthropology 40yrs ago you need to go back to school because all you've been thought is outdated most books you are quoting from is outdated telling me about YEIA. a scheme by our colonial master to deprive us of our greatness that is the main reason the whole Africa is generalize as being a primitive people . later come up with subSahara to exclude the northern Africa

RedboneSmith:
This statement of yours was really necessary because the point of my comment was that Yorubas are Ibos. *sarcastic eyeroll*

As for the other things you wrote, I do not think you know what 'core vocabulary' means and how they are resistant to replacement by borrowing; and how recently borrowed words do not undergo the sound shifts observable in the true cognates such as in the examples in my comment. So you are welcome to keep believing that Igbo people borrowed words for such very basic items as 'nose', 'mouth', 'ear', 'cut', etc.


'Oka' in both languages (as well as in the other YEAI-NOI languages) is one of the lexical items that supports the theory that the ancestors of the YEAI speakers originally lived, not in the rainforest, but in the savanna country around the Niger-Benue confluence area in the Middle Belt where they grew both cereals (not just guinea corn,,but probably a type of millet as well) and tubers in addition to tending palm and kola trees. They knew the guinea corn before they moved south into the forest. Subsequently, the guinea corn largely dropped out of their diet except for those who lived on the northern fringe of the rainforest zone.

In the 16th century when American corn came, they applied the old term for guinea corn/millet to the new cereal, and in the case of the Yoruba, they would appear to have also come up with an additional new term for the new cereal - agbado.

A similar thing happened in England, by the way. Before maize came to England, the word 'corn' already existed in the English language. It was applied to the cereals like barley that the Europeans were already familiar with. When maize came, they took this old term and gave it to maize, too.

Read, it will not kill you.

I will not even respond to your insinuation that the Igbo did not know cotton. If at your age you think that because the precolonial Igbo (especially the children and unmarried women) were largely unclad or scantily clad, they knew nothing of cotton cloths, then it is best to leave you with that ignorance. Just this morning I was at the library looking at the report written by Mr Shaw of the archaeological work he did at Igbo-Ukwu. There are pictures in that report of excavated uniquely woven cloth used in 9th-century Igboland. Akwete was exporting cloth to the Ijo. Crowther found Igbo-made cotton cloths exported as far north as Idah and the confluence. The cloth came from Aku and neighbouring villages in Nsukka who were not only excellent weavers, but excellent dyers too. Missionaries and explorers reported about Igbo farmers who planted cotton on their farms after harvest, as it was believed to have soil-rejuvenating qualities. The cotton was, of course, spinned and woven. That Igbo dressing was not elaborate doesn't mean it was completely absent. But you are welcome to not read anything that will actually increase your knowledge, except the apeshit-throwing comments on Nairaland.

cut the crap stop sticking your nose into our forum leave yoruba alone i knew my comment would hit a nerve .. i'm here to learn let the brother preach . The same white people that wrote and come up with the Benue Volta Niger Congo language family idea also wrote about yoruba link with Hebrews, there is nothing like absolute truth. my mind is flexible to learn new things knowledge is not static . .i want to learn .. if 84 yoruba monarch could claim Sudan has his source who am i to disprove his claim.. i'm strongly attached to my ancestors the way the Muslims or Christians do without using their rational mind to debunk some supernatural claim .. I believe ile-ife is cradle of humankind and source of all yoruba people

we both use oka guinea corn for maize simultaneously blood is thicker than water ...also garri interesting


imi is imu ... onu ..is enu ...se e mo oruko ti enu je ni ..?

RedboneSmith:
This statement of yours was really necessary because the point of my comment was that Yorubas are Ibos. *sarcastic eyeroll*

As for the other things you wrote, I do not think you know what 'core vocabulary' means and how they are resistant to replacement by borrowing; and how recently borrowed words do not undergo the sound shifts observable in the true cognates such as in the examples in my comment. So you are welcome to keep believing that Igbo people borrowed words for such very basic items as 'nose', 'mouth', 'ear', 'cut', etc.


'Oka' in both languages (as well as in the other YEAI-NOI languages) is one of the lexical items that supports the theory that the ancestors of the YEAI speakers originally lived, not in the rainforest, but in the savanna country around the Niger-Benue confluence area in the Middle Belt where they grew both cereals (not just guinea corn,,but probably a type of millet as well) and tubers in addition to tending palm and kola trees. They knew the guinea corn before they moved south into the forest. Subsequently, the guinea corn largely dropped out of their diet except for those who lived on the northern fringe of the rainforest zone.

In the 16th century when American corn came, they applied the old term for guinea corn/millet to the new cereal, and in the case of the Yoruba, they would appear to have also come up with an additional new term for the new cereal - agbado.

A similar thing happened in England, by the way. Before maize came to England, the word 'corn' already existed in the English language. It was applied to the cereals like barley that the Europeans were already familiar with. When maize came, they took this old term and gave it to maize, too.

Read, it will not kill you.

I will not even respond to your insinuation that the Igbo did not know cotton. If at your age you think that because the precolonial Igbo (especially the children and unmarried women) were largely unclad or scantily clad, they knew nothing of cotton cloths, then it is best to leave you with that ignorance. Just this morning I was at the library looking at the report written by Mr Shaw of the archaeological work he did at Igbo-Ukwu. There are pictures in that report of excavated uniquely woven cloth used in 9th-century Igboland. Akwete was exporting cloth to the Ijo. Crowther found Igbo-made cotton cloths exported as far north as Idah and the confluence. The cloth came from Aku and neighbouring villages in Nsukka who were not only excellent weavers, but excellent dyers too. Missionaries and explorers reported about Igbo farmers who planted cotton on their farms after harvest, as it was believed to have soil-rejuvenating qualities. The cotton was, of course, spinned and woven. That Igbo dressing was not elaborate doesn't mean it was completely absent. But you are welcome to not read anything that will actually increase your knowledge, except the apeshit-throwing comments on Nairaland.

what year were you people exporting cotton ? keep deceiving yourself .little cotton exposed to you was from the northern part igala to cover your groin area ,majority were naked using raffia to cover up ..people that witness the period are still alive today.. why do you think yoruba called you awon oni ihooho"" .little civilization exposed to you people was through igala and possibly onicha settlers from Benin and other part i won't mention .....you people are hostile to strangers haven't evolved to state of governance... well known cannibals. ..secluded people... i am not doubting igala and yoruba because we have oral history tying us together ..

Olu317:
As I have said, you dont need to proof anything tp me because there is alternative for cultivate in Iboland but non in yorubaland.In which it showed that Ibo borrowed the word because it is not universal in Igboland as seen in Yoruba land . Go back and ask for the alternative in Ibo land. Once such exist,then clearly it means it is a borrowed word. After all ,Àso Èbi is acknowledge in Iboland as Yoruba's . Is Aso Ebi of Ibo origin?

They are now claiming aborigine of yoruba land..i need to know the time frame when we split from the ibos there is never point in yoruba history when we are naked people ..patron of white cloth obatala is over 10000yrs .. you people are ibos not igbos..you people were called ibos first now igbo

RedboneSmith:
Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

Afo ifun good.. good combination

RedboneSmith:
Hehe. Some of the words you put up there have forms in Yoruba and Igbo that clearly share a common root.

Igbo nwoke/nwoko, oke/oko is cognate with Yoruba oko. They both mean male.

The common Igbo word for female/woman nowadays is nwanyi/nwanya, but there is an even more archaic Igbo word for adult woman which is hardly used today. That word is Ibili/Ibiri or Ibiri achi, which is cognate with Yoruba obirin.

Slave in Igbo is Oru/Ohu. Slave in Yoruba is Eru. They are possibly cognate terms.

The Igbo way of saying 'here' is to say 'This place'. Place in Igbo is 'Ebe' or in some parts 'Ibe'. This is cognate with Yoruba 'Ibi.'

We would be silly to expect languages that have existed apart for such a long time to have 100% or even 60% relatedness. Languages evolve; words fall out of use and new words are either innovated or taken up from immediate neighbours.

But if you have even ever tried to do a cursory study, you would have found a large number of shared roots between Yoruba and Igbo.

Imi (Igbo) - Imu (Yoruba) - Nose (English)
Onu (Igbo) - Enu (Yoruba) - Mouth (English)
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) - Ear (English)
Agba (Igbo) - Agbo (Yoruba) - Jaw (English)

Ogwu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Medicine (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Twenty (English)
Ogu (Igbo) - Ogun (Yoruba) - Fight/Battle/War (English)

Ala/Ali/Ani/Ana (Igbo) - Ale/Ile (Yoruba) - Land (English)
Ulo (Igbo) - Ulue (Ohafia Igbo) - Ule/Ile (Yoruba) - House (English)

Agwa/Egwa (Igbo) - Ewa (Yoruba) - Beans (English)

Owu (Igbo) - Owu (Yoruba) - Cotton (English)
Gini (Igbo) - Kini (Yoruba) - What? (English)

Following the pattern of K changing to G or G changing to K, suggests that:
Agu/Egu (Igbo) - Ekun (Yoruba) - Leopard (English)

Be (Igbo) - Be (Yoruba) - Slice/Cut (English)
Ewu (Igbo) - Ewure (Yoruba) - Goat (English)
Okuko (Igbo) - Akuko Adire (Yoruba) - Fowl/Male cock (English)
Akpa (Igbo) - Apo (Yoruba) - Bag (English)

Mili/Mmiri/Mini (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) - Water (English). (I remember a Yoruba gentleman telling me once that Awori still uses miri for water. In Moremi stories we hear of a stream called Esinmirin which is just too close to the Igbo word for river osimiri.)

Akika (Igbo) - Ikan (Yoruba) - White ant (English)
Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam (English)
Oka (Igbo) - Oka (Yoruba) - Corn (English - probably originally used for Guinea corn, before the coming of the american maize in the 16th century)
Afo (Igbo) - Ifun (Yoruba) - Bowels (English - and by extension, used by the Igbo to refer to stomach too).
Mbenbe (Igbo) - Obonbon (Yoruba) - Beetle (English)

Moo/Mo/Muo (Igbo) - Imole (Yoruba) - Primordial or territorial spirits (English - Yoruba 'Imole' probably breaks up into Imo + ile, i.e., earth spirits)

THE LIST LITERALLY GOES ON AND ON.

I wouldn't have to make a list if you could just do a little research of your own. Read the book by Aremo that Macof has mentioned. I don't think all the cognates he mentioned in that book are true cognates, however; but in general his view is solid and echoes what linguists have been saying since forever.

borrowed words from the igalas. ..you should add egusi and garri too please... we are not ibos . who dash ibos owu cotton.. oka for corn . liars .. maize is not up to 3 hundred years .. guinea corn is grown in the savanna region, where were the leafs , what do they want to do with guinea corn ....Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam great connection .. ibos are bantu their lineage can be traced back to south Africa region

Olu317:
What is thunder in Ibo ?
What is God in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What is man in Ibo?
What is woman in Ibo?
What is male in Ibo?
What is female in Ibo?
What is hair in Ibo?
What sun in Ibo?
What is fire in Ibo?
What is day in Ibo?
What is night in Ibo?
What is afternoon in Ibo?
What is true in Ibo?
What is lie in Ibo?
What is slave in Ibo?
What is rain in Ibo?
What is here in Ibo?
What is filled up in Ibo?

RedboneSmith,kindly,show the meaning Sir in English and let's start from there.Please take your time ooo because,I am not one of them who is not conversant with his ethnicity's history.

we have nothing to do with ibos....Yoruba is yoruba ..ibo is ibo we have nothing in common . .. igala is not ibos . Yoruba and igala possible were one people at one point but split up .

macof:
Thats what Yoruba nation has been reduced to, our people no longer have any direction.

Imagine arguing that eniyan means 'yoruba person' or 'Eda' is only used for Yoruba person. No regard for the Yoruba identity whatsover, utter disgrace on our part

egbon 9jacrip mo ri yin o

Mr Macof e wu iwa bi eniyan ooo . wetin bring psychosis / mental issues, we are here to learn i don't care about your problem with Hebrew ..but you can't tie yoruba with cannibals because of one white man research on bantu monkey that can be disproved later ..

macof:
Its cool to have fun but not to the extent of partaking in ridiculing the yoruba nation. You know the ironic thing is that your moniker is Obalufon - a legendary Ife king... it is possible you are from Ife and yet so ignorant about the traditions within.

1. what are those things we have in common...what evidence has studies shown to the existence of this 'common things'
2. you do realize almost every culture has a story of a flood... and while nothing has been proven yet, there are theories as to what the Ife flood was all about

I did not tie yoruba to her neighbors, God did before yoruba ever existed...and it is our job to find the facts out
I perceive you hate the people around the yoruba, especially ibo ... just dont let emotion come in the way of common sense...you see facts, you say wont accept but its claims without any basis that are acceptable? well like i said, if there are really hebrew origins in yoruba, evidence must be found eventually...but as at now o, there is none
so no matter how you run away from it, your cousin is still your cousin whether you hate him or love him

Okay bunch of monkeys are my cousin. Ooo mr macof why now !! trying to attach us with bunch of cannibals.. .. are you anthropologist or geneticist ..sometime you act dumb to learn ... give me time frame when we split from our so call neighbors

Mr macof are you from congo brazzaville ? i like your name

macof:
smh.. the post you are quoting was not for you oga.
i will repost all my previous posts to you ..but first let me address the so many errors here



1. and English is a spoken language among a group of oyinbos...do you ever read what you post 'geesi' is 'english' ..simple
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2. while this has no relevance to the topic, i just thought i should point this out, since my whole intention of responding to this post was to set misconceptions straight....oranmiyan had one side light, the other dark, at least according to ife traditions..i believe 0balufonlll will correct me if i am wrong. This is why the lokoloko paint themselves like this
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what exactly is ancient yoruba? you keep saying ancient yoruba and historians haven't even defined what ancient yoruba is, but you say it so well...so explain this please.

you do realize Hausa-fulani is a thing? During this time Fulani had already created the Sokoto caliphate and spread it over Hausaland, so Fulani and Hausa formed one country... that is exactly what is expressed in the saying at no. 2.
if fulani is gambari then no. 2 makes no sense as that would mean...fulani kill fulani, are they not one? if yoruba already call fulani by 'fulani' why use 'gambari' in the same sentence to refer to the same fulani


You expose yourself to have only very basic knowledge of yoruba studies but like to gloat like you are some professor, unfortunately gloat on your misconceptions...so I just smh all through, there is nothing special to prepare oga, if this is where your knowledge begins and ends

i never said you did, the post you quoted was not directed to you..and nobody even said 'eniyan' is hebrew word for human being.. try to comprehend before you post


then why mention Dierk Lange at all when you have your personal arsenal of knowledge greater than his?

please let us in on some of these words...
you will also have to show us the complete semantics even in form of etymologies to demonstrate how you arrived at the conclusion that two words from two different languages are actually cognates

Let me give you one tip, try making use of dialects...because if you only have standard yoruba at your disposal and you want to link yoruba language to any other language, you have failed before you even begin



Eda Adariwurun was coined by Islamic scholars? ok, do you have a reference for this?

obviously you talk without ever putting yoruba dialects in mind... like i said your knowledge of yoruba is at its most basic level, surprising how you are feeling like one professor
ohun is SWY, that is the pattern of some of the changes in the dialects...'r' becomes 'h'
in some SEY there is no 'r' at all...like in Ondo it is "Oun"





eeyan kan ku ati igara meji? abi? so you mean to say only yoruba are human beings in this world?

is there any family that doesnt have its oral history

Mr macof .. you have to prove you are eeyan/eniyan to be accepted by the yorubas.. Ose eeyan ose omo lu wa bi...

macof:
i'm guessing you dont speak yoruba language fluently?

1. gambari is not even derogatory, that is the actual yoruba name for Hausa or Aboki (which is less used). How is gambari derogatory in that statement of Awo? I cant even think of any derogatory name Yoruba have for any nation

2. Eda Adariwurun is an oriki of eniyan, just as ajanaku is oriki for Erin(elephant)... rin bi eniyan? and how do yorubas walk since 'eniyan' according to you means Yoruba?

let me give two more
riro ni t'eniyan, sise ni t'olorun...thinking is for man, God makes it happen
gbogbo eniyan ni oo ku... every man must die...not all of yoruba must die


now i dont expect you to be arguing blindly, you can first acquaint yourself with a yoruba dictionary at least if you dont speak fluent yoruba instead embarrassing yourself

3. Oyinbo is Oyinbo, yet there are subdivisions, Geesi is English, Faranse is French, Potoki is Portuguess etc

I can see you are new to this hebrew thing, let me just advice you to always ask questions and most times, common sense is enough... so this your attempt to twist 'eniyan' to hebrews is laughable, jokes on you. i dont know why you wrote 'laughs' at the end of your post like you just posted something sensible

I'm laughing Macof i'm not twisting history just having my fun . ile-ife remain the cradle of humanity to me Ile-ife is just too old to unravel its history so i won't disprove Hebrew claim and Egyptian claim because we have too much in common . Even great flood is part of ife history if you don't know .. I'm ready to learn from you macof but i won't accept you tying us up with people that are 1000s of years behind us ...i know nothing i just want to learn.

Olu317:
Some of the Olusi -Luusi, in Kwara, Ekiti, Akoko etc are his descendants. As it is an oral account that Luusi left Ileife during the reign of Lafogido. He sojourned through the land of his cousins, OwaObokun and thereafter, left after a while to settled down somewhere close to Ado . And when Ado was in need of help ,he was called to fight for them and he fought and won for them. He moved back to his domain and reigned for many years before he died at an advanced age and was buried.

A descendant of Luusi , Ori mo è ni mà laadè,that became contracted ‘Laade', was chosen who was already an established warrior who became the leader,and took the panegyric sè ókó àkoko sè oko Èkiti because he was a tough and powerful warrior with potency on osanyi spiritual powers.


After due consultation of IFA, they were told to move out of Ekiti, and thereby made them exhumed Luusi's body after the dictate of IFA. In between this period, some of his descendants move back and forth between IFE and other places to settle down. Some of the people who were under the banner of Luusi's name used his name to form a new settlement.


Thereafter, some of his descendants went back to ILEIFE while others took his body and reburied Luusi in Akoko. And when they arrived, at the new Akoko settlement,where they were welcomed by their maternally linked family from ILE IFE. Thereafter, IFA was consulted and they were told to go back to ILEIFE to fetch Esinmirin water,which they did and the fetched Esinmirin water from ILEIFE, was poured into a flowing river, in the new Akoko settlement that the river was renamed Esinmirin water.

Thus,everytime there is an invasion or problem in ILEIFE, they always go back to fight for their father's scared throne.This is the reason I smiled at the ignorance of some people who don't know much about some aspects of ILEIFE history but say trash about my ancestors that have sacrificed their blood and time to make the stability of ILEIFE real.....



Cheers.

Are you from akoko"? i also have lineage in Akoko Olusi royal family but the lineage is lost ..i embrace my ile- ife lineage more ? ..I respect you Olu . my mind is flexible ready to learn. i want to learn from you even though i don't share your pacifist attitude towards the white devils laugh

macof:
Yoruba call every human being 'eniyan' even the europeans are eniyan because 'eniyan' means 'human'
So trying to twist this to the hebrew 'chosen people' fails here

yoruba of old would never call other people outside their group eniyan.. what you would hear is derogatory remark people think is out of pride but yoruba know who they are, just the way it is ..Even Awolowo did the same his famous quote to the Hausas..kaka ka dobale fun gambari, ka kuku" its better to die than bowing for gambari the northern people hausa. .Eniyan is an attribute or race of people ..Adari wu irun."" Is human ....Se bi eniyan "" behave like the chosen ....wu iwa be eniyan rin bi eniyan"" behave like the chosen .rin bi eniyan"" walk like the chosen. oyinbo is oyinbo ,gambari is gambari ..ibo is ibo. laugh