Olu317:
Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



As we all can see, there are account narrated by the custodians of known ddeity-ancestors that aren't accurate (as we have been told)

[9/24, 08:23] Buy Plot(s) Of Land: Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



1.As we all can see, there are inconsistency in some account narrated by the interviewed Oral(as we have been told)

Take for instance, the sacred Text says, ‘
Ógun may have had other attributes. He may have been a Phallic Deity, because there are hewn stones in Ífè, called the staves of Ógun, which appear p. 62 to be of Phallic origin'.


‘Ógun may also have been the Sun-God (or a worshipper of the Sun-God). His festival is commonly called Olójjor (Lord of Day). Oshogun says Ógun was Olójjor; Arába says Olójjor was someone else, the confusion being due to the circumstance that the two festivals take place at the same time. In this connection, the half-and-half colouring of Orányan is suggestive'.

Obviously, from the first quote, Yoruba people seem to have lost part of their history through generational vacuum, because, Og(gwg) also appeared as name in Raphaim archeological account in the Middle East , Og was a title for the Bashanite King is already found in Medieval Rabbinic literature, see Daat Zeqanim [ דעת זקנים ] to Genesis 24:39”.
Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’. Thus, ‘Og’ is not a personal name but a title of a Canaanite king. It is similar to other titles of the Ugaritic and Canaanite kings which emphasise their manhood par excellence, and thus their strength and military prowess: e.g., ish, amēlu, mt (Del Olmo Lete, ‘Los nombres “divinos”‘, 257-66). Second, the Phoenician tomb inscription . Byblos 13 has a definite article before ‘Og’


The second quote suggest also suggest that between Oshogun; the guardian of Ogun deity and Araba,over all IFA priest,noon of them agreed to a conclusion, which also showed,something is wrong somewhere,with part of the oral history.

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2. Many present crops of Yoruba scholars are yet to catch up with methodologies required to break the jinx of the strength of Yoruba form of writing.This area is the key to the unraveling the ancient past of Yorubas. Photograph, lexicology,hieroglyphs,cuneiform remain the REAL DEAL.

3. Today, Genetics in all form has become the scientific tool that exposes the hidden. Thus, this area hasn't been filled by Yorubas researchers, which add more to unravelling the mystery.

Lastly, as convincingly as the renowned Western researchers kept this intriguing believe of the history of Yorubas from the angle of Hebrew Origin,even with a suggestive map directlon of the possible migration to the present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

Below is a suggestive migration directions from the Middle East.

Mr Olu what do you know about yoruba ancient form of writing

Moorish:

Not trying to convince you either

Google is close to you

Use it

Don't mind this fools moor..

Olu317:
Yoruba aren't Bantoid as the ignorants had thought. Infact, NO IFA and its16 ODUS, NO YORUBA....IFA was and still THE PATH OF YORUBAS..

BANTU don't know anything CALLED IFA because it is not part of their tradition,except a Yoruba migrants of IFA apprenticeship or Bà Àwo find himself in another land for only reason known to Èlèdúùmàrè.

The uniqueness of Yoruba is unequal with these west Africa group because Yoruba are immigrant and conquerors, through their science and spiritual knowledge.

bantu are naked people

Olu317:
Obalufon,

there is a mystical Hill place in Oke Idanre ,where a leg's spot is and this leg's spot can fit into any leg size once anyone put his or her leg on it. Furthermore, there is also an ancient ARK in this place called ARK of Nuah(Ókó Nùwà). Perhaps, you can visit this place, for sight seeing.

thanks brother

OlaoChi:


SMH. *face-palm
How can somebody lack sense like this

West Africans are related to Bantu, how does that mean West Africans ARE Bantu
"related" "are the same" two different things. Gosh! Someone has to spell it out for you, and I'm sure you still don't comprehend. Smh

Mr bantoid .. we are not bantu..okay .. stick that to your hairy bantu arse

Sowore is so arrogant . pride comes before a fall

OlaoChi:

I am more Yoruba than you. deal with it!

in your dreams..

OlaoChi:


I'm more Yoruba than you so don't trip. You that don't know your family history, asking olu of all people to teach you your family history

you are not yoruba with all the negative stuff you post online about yoruba on ""Why Do Yorubas Keep Attacking Igbos For Mass Migration Into South West? thread you created to rubbish yoruba the deity of our land will chop your eyes deep in your retarded brain ...I know nothing even Socrates says he knows he knows nothing Likewise Orunmila....If you want to learn you have to detach yourself from all you've known .

OlaoChi:

Every learned person knows that Yoruba and Igbo share a common origin
Accusing anybody who knows this fact to be igbo or mixed with igbo means you are insinuating yorubas are incapable of learning, you might have a learning disorder but not all yorubas reject facts

we are not cannibals please .. ibo is different from yoruba ..genetically and anthropologically you people are different from us . ibos skin texture is different from yorubas skin ...our genetics aging attrition is different from ibos ..you are forest breed... no clothing culture.. look more to Cameroon that is where your people are please..ibo boy why are you trying to force yourself on us ..we are different get that straight into your thick skull

Yoruba are not bantu Bantu are forest people ..Some oral history source claim We came to our present abode due to great war from the east

Olu317:
PYGMY

The term " pygmoid" is a traditional morphological racial category for the Central African Pygmies, considered a subgroup of the Negroid category.
The African Pygmies , who were the hunter-gatherers of the Congo basin (comprising the Bambenga,Bambuti and Batwa)etc

Furthermore the term "Asiatic Pygmies" has been used of the Negrito populations of Maritime Southeast Asia and other Australoid peoples of short stature.
The T'rung (Taron) of Myanmar are an exceptional case of a "pygmy" population of East Asian phenotype.

In anthropology, pygmy peoples are ethnic groups whose average height is unusually short. The term pygmyism is used to describe the phenotype of endemic short stature (as opposed to disproportionate dwarfism occurring in isolated cases in a population) for populations in which adult men are on average less than 150 cm (4 ft 11 in) tall . The Pygmies are hunters-gatherers living in small seminomadic bands in the rainforest, and they are generally much shorter than their Bantu neighbors.


COMMON ORIGIN OF PYGMIES AND BANTUS

The Bantu people were said to be domicile in Nigeria for thousands of years but as at 5,000 years ago, after acquiring an advanced knowledge of hunter gatherers through the pygmies, they started moving out of the region of Nigeria and Cameroon into eastern, central and southern Africa and fused with Pygmies .

A team from CNRS and the Institut Pasteur, working with researchers in bioinformatics, ethnolinguistics, and epidemiology, suggests that Central African Pygmies and Bantus, two physically very different ethnic groups, branched out from a common ancestral population some 70,000 years ago.

The term “Bantu” applies to all African populations in whose language the word “bantu” means man . In the 1960s, it became a general label for over 400 ethnic groups spread all over sub-Saharan Africa. And Bantus are mainly rural farmers and sedentary herders.

But scientists will not stop at such an obvious difference. A CNRS-Pasteur team studied the difference between Bantu and Pygmy populations by looking at differences in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) 4 in the two groups. Why mtDNA rather than nuclear DNA? Because mtDNA, unlike nuclear DNA, is transmitted only through the female lineage. Similarities in mtDNA sequences thus imply descent from the same maternal ancestor.

The population sample analyzed was made up of 1500 individuals from 20 Bantu-speaking farmer populations and 9 hunter-gatherer Pygmy populations from Gabon, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Western Africa was chosen because it is one of the few regions where both populations coexist.

The researchers identified an ancestral and autochthonous lineage of mtDNA shared by Pygmies and Bantus, suggesting that both populations were originally one, and that they started to diverge from common ancestors around 70,000 years ago. After a period of isolation, during which current phenotype differences between Pygmies and Bantu farmers accumulated, Pygmy women started marrying male Bantu farmers (but not the opposite).

This trend started around 40,000 years ago, and continued until several thousand years ago. Subsequently, the Pygmy gene pool was not enriched by external gene influxes. The Bantu farmers’ gene pool, on the contrary, was enriched during the so-called “Bantu expansions,” an event corresponding to technological, demographic, and linguistic advances in the late Stone Age.

Most recently a very fascinating and relevant study came out in 2017. Basing itself on the ancient DNA remains (genome wide) of 16 Africans it stated that:
______________
“ the spread of farmers from western Africa involved
complete replacement of local hunter-gatherers in some regions “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)

But also that:

“ present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that
contributed more to the Mende than it did to the Yoruba “. (Skoglund et al., 2017

In all these, yoruba do not possess any DNA link with pygmies nor have ancestry that's archaic from basal African Basin .. . And I hope the Bantus descendants know themselves.

we are not fucking bantoid or bantu ...we are different.. i know bantu people

c'mon origin

OlaoChi:


LMAO this guy really thinks anyone who KNOWS yoruba and Igbo share a common origin must be an igbo person, you must think all yorubas are unlearned

unlearned wow that's interesting .. gloat and pride yourself in your ignorance . you must think all yorubas are unlearned ? what are you insinuating ..

OlaoChi:


I thought you said yorubas are jews before

you love the feelings of ibo being a jew.. i

OlaoChi:
as expected you have no proof, what's it with nairaland and bogus claims? this forum is filled with potential comedians only sad thing is you all are actually serious about what you say


I should stay off Yoruba? Come and take me off. Lmao so it is comparing Yoruba to Hebrews that is uplifting? . People will just say Yoruba have no history and need to attach to others for relevance, that is more degrading

Btw I'm not igbo, you seem obsessed with igbos
And instead of telling me to study history, you should take your own advice, you obviously don't know the first thing about your own family history talk less of Yoruba history in general

PS. Pygmies aren't even Bantu

bantu or pygmies you can restrict that to your own people ..i guess you are product of cross breed between the bantu and the pygmies

Olu317:
As we have been told through archeology finding on the discovery of The Iwo Eleru burial, which was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team.

The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated).

The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell , who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust.

The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews,who suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent yoruba African groups

As we can see, yoruba ancestors didn't lived in south western Nigeria as claimed by some people 10,000 years ago but migrated to this part of the world less than 4000 years even through archeology finding because there is no archeology finding to support yoruba ancestors existed in this part of Nigeria 4000 years ago.

Sorry brother i don't believe the white on this We need the DNA result of Iwo Eleru skull to confirm their claim and more excavation of ile-ife .. ile-ife is the source of all living being . Orisun gbogbo omo adariwurun

OlaoChi:


Another senseless long post full of nothing but insults and personal attacks rather than deal with proving your own claims

If I reply this post with the words you deserve, metaphysical and BabaRamota1980 will say I insulted someone

Online forum is where you can say what you like, in the big real world you cannot, so enjoy it, that's all you have

ibos are jews

ibos are the real jews ..

mursi is different from Oromo or masai , mossi is different from hausa ..Yoruba is different from Ibos

OlaoChi:

Whats with the name calling all of you are into I'm a marauder now? Do you even know what marauder means?

Igbo split with Pygmies 3000yrs ago is scientifically proven?
5000 yrs relics in Ife?
Do show me

...igbo split with pygmies 3000yrs.. laughing i 've given you a close match something to ponder about the bantu pygmies of congo.. so stay off the Yoruba

attached is pictures of ibo women .comparing this people to us is so degrading ..we are different from you ..study your history please

Ilorin always rewrite history to suit their Islamic religion and affiliation to the north they are Yorubas

0balufonlll:


Thank you, baba.

Alale’fe a gbe ha, Olo’ mi.

what do you think about that useless sowore too.. anyway that one is not even full yoruba na apoi ijaw extract..Yoruba should stop mixing their blood

Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan is a clown.. .. he lacks knowledge of history

PrecisionFx:




"" clearly states Yoruba as the predominant DNA strain in all African descended Americans ""

It can only be ""In the Americas" as in south America and not in the United States of America.

Meanwhile Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone who has internet access from any part of the world n thus cannot be used as a basis for getting info on a controversial issue.



Simply list black Americans that traced their lineage to Nigeria n declared that they were Yorubas

If u can't list dem, Den ur point is dead before arrival.

Moor leave this people ALONE they won't accept the fact ...Ibos are american not Nigeria n laugh!!!

Olu317:
You have been openminded because the ‘light' in you is greater than the darkness. Thus, you stumbled on a that tell the story of Olusi contracted as Luusi. Although I have read the site’s account but there are slight misinformation about his biological father.



Pardon me, I wont share anything else about Luusi because of disrespect for me and my ancestor.

is luusi the same as olusi?.. ..Mr Olu don't be discourage teach please .. Even Oni claim tower of babel. Garden of Eden Noah's ark is in IFE .. much about ile-ife that we don't know

i'm history enthusiast ..Mr olu please check out the site i posted ..if is related to the same Luusi you are talking about .. Pertaining olugbo research on Imahin /mahin a notable figure from ife was buried there .. They coined the name of the city from it ""mahin"" . where his buried

is getting interesting here ..we need a time machine to settle this intellectual/academic war ..

TimeMachine:


I stopped respecting silly cultures when I realized I am a human being and not my tribe. So, can you kiss a cow and move on and stop repeating what I already know ?

Why do you think that country called Nigeria is the way it is ? Cos your cultures and traditions are bestial and demeaning. A big man can do what ever he wants, after all he will be bowed down to.

you are a dead man already just bend over and kiss your ass goodbye

Olu317:


These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.


Cheers.

Moral ethical intellectual criticism is normal without resulting to use of vulgar words .

0balufonlll:


Lol contrary to my opinion? .

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. . Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. . I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond

laugh So Mr Olu na Ogberi..