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0balufonlll:
No wahala, baba. It would have been nice to merry together at the festival. You and I already shared certain information, so I know what part of Ife you are from. Orunto, Ideta & Giesi are my backgrounds. My old man is one of the Sookos in Giesi line.

You don't have to merge with the outsider olaochi to fight your own brother .... I'm link to giesi too paternal great grand mother and ogboru too ..very close with the sijuades

OlaoChi:
I've told you before that these two guys are frauds. Since book did not sell, maybe online coaching is what they think will make money for them

Don't let me hex you .. olaochi wetin be your name ..what is your business with yoruba issue

Olu317:
The difference between you and I is,‘ LIE '. AND I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE MY STRENGTH. SO BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ASK Obalufon to ask me to proof me and I.

I intend to make you change so as for you to pick a new moniker . Dare me by asking obalufon to say it to me. And I will honour his voice. And thereafter, post your ancestor too

Please who was your ancestor? Or are you Ibo too?

Olu please for the sake of our ancestors don't fight abeg oo, we are all here to learn .. kindly say who the father of Luusi was

Olu317:
obviously, you are the liar.

Like I said, I wont say who was the father of Luusi. So whose descendants are you? And if I had said Lafogido was a father of Luusi, was it wrong ? Who was Lafogido's father? . Trust me, I am enjoying this because you have no respect for Ìsésé, ìtàn àtí àróbà. Èmí ómó ìré tí wón lè fí bó'rè. Go ask what it means

Beg Obalufon to say it to me to post it because he is humble enough to earn my endearing respect . Else I won't post it because I want you to remain ignorant forever. . Except he wants me to rubbish you. . Once he says go, I will post it because I want to silence your ignorance.

please don't fight ooo oral history is like a puzzle we can't discard one for another .

0balufonlll:
I’ll help you with your ancestry history so you can stop chasing a false connection to Ife:



See: https://oloolutof./2018/06/15/the-brief-history-of-ikare/

@Obalufon, as you can see, your friend Olu is a liar. That is his the history of his ancestors above, he has to links with Ife. He is again exposed as a fraud. Be mindful of your interactions with him. Are you going to be around for Olojo? We should visit your compound tomorrow or Saturday from my compound - you know the usual stuff.

Hey would you be there also? i would have loved to see you oo bro but i live in Lagos now.. i won't be there this year ..if you need to confirm my legitimacy i'm from oyesomo lineage in obalufon the present obalara is my Uncle we called him baba oyi way back then his extremely fair Oluwagbemiga Adebayo

i don't doubt the possibility of migration into the region from east . we have knowledge of horse and camel as means of transportation..cushite empire stretched across sahara desert ...

absoluteSuccess:
While that seems a good theory to review, it is an open discourse with different perspectives to the history at hand. I for one believe that the Yoruba were the arrowhead of the migrants from the Levant to the the sub-sahara.

From this merchant migrants that came to the northern part of the country 3000 years ago, sprang the major tribes in the country and beyond. Isaiah gave a good hint what may be the earliest and the last correspondent to Nigeria in the 18th chapter. That's my simple submission.

Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago, hence my date. As to aborigine, the Yoruba ancestors were the landowners themselves, no more no less. Awon Alale. You know that we can't always bend Yoruba traditions to every English word basically because Yoruba language is not a product of colonialism.

Normal is normal, abnormal is ab-normal, likewise, aborigine or "ab-origin" is something without origin, Yoruba do not envisage her past as without origin, hence we do not have perfect match for that English word than "alainiran". This is contrary to Yoruba belief-system: our history is not subjected to European collegian ideals, "Omo ale nii fowo osi juwe ile baba re".

When you investigate the history of the Yoruba people, they venerate their ancestors as awon imole, people of the light, awon alale, the land owners, awon owa, the seekers, awon orin, the migrants, awon to teleyi do, the folks that step on the land and camp on it. These are all an irrefutable tradition.

Then since every town has its tale of origin, that nullify the aborigine adaptation for Yoruba history, not until we find a place without tradition of origin to recon with as probably "the original aborigine origin of the Yoruba". Until then the grammar "aborigine" can continue in the head of the 'elite' historians. They have their own history of the Yoruba too.

i hate the date you are putting on ife 3000yrs is damn recent Great Pyramid was built over 6000yrs ago ..ile-ife is as old as beginning of time we did not break away from no ape or Bantu people that are still roaming around naked 60yrs ago ..Human species develop simultaneously 6000yrs ago the whole Sahara desert was a great savanna forest with thriving civilization I strongly believe ile-ife is the source .

MayorofLagos:
Becareful with Acholonu materials. Post the civil war a new awareness, an awakening dawned on the Ibo. What they failed to achieve in political warfare they wanted to erect in literary circle and academia. Yoruba art, culture, theater, rituals and pantheon was widely known to scholars. The only point of reference to Igbo was Achebe, Azikiwe and Biafra, nothing more. In culture old researchers documented them as forest people that practiced cannibalism and human rituals. no nobility, no dynasty or throne or kingdom. No known progenitor, no records of war or conquest. Most people around the world had never heard of a people called Ibo or igbo or Biafra. The war put them out there. So what Achebe and later Acholonu did was to start binding discussions on Igbo with Yoruba as reference. If they talk about Ibo arts they would throw in the Benin and Yoruba arts. if they talk about human sacrifice they will say it was common in the South amongst people like Yoruba and Benin. So the pattern grew to where you could not talk on Ibo arts and not mention Yoruba for comparison. They bonded Ibo to Yoruba...to the point that scholars thought whatever greatness Yoruba had, Ibo must have too. if you doubt me type a keyword into google search asking for Yoruba arts and antiquities. I guarantee you something about Igbo will be mentioned. These propaganda was made possible by many people, Acholonu being one of them.

The red cap igbo wear is Igala in origin. The traditional igbo hat is the knitted winter cap. The shift from the knitted to the red cap was brought about by a political necessity. If you review all pictures of Ibo politicians and leaders going back to the 60s and 50s, they wore the knitted. The way you could tell which Ibo is resident in Yorubaland and which is not is to look on their head to see which cap they wear. Azikiwe, Sir Louis Ojukwu, Okigbo, all wore Yoruba caps and Agbada when in native. The igbo mode of dressing was not acceptable in Lagos, you are seeing as an illiterate villager, an Okoro.

Red cap started when Ekwueme became VP. NPN was largely Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri and wore their traditional caps. Igbo could not wear the knitted so the red cap as adopted and popularized by Ekeuwme and Chuba Okadigbo. During Obasanjo regime same thing. People like Soludo made it popular. Now you go to a gathering and every Igbo is wearing red cap...in fact they have taken ownership of it from Igala.

We don't like to talk about igbo too much but when it comes to race of superiority we can bring out facts that will expose everything back to its genesis.

You are absolutely right , let them know , Thank you brother,

Olu317:
Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



As we all can see, there are account narrated by the custodians of known ddeity-ancestors that aren't accurate (as we have been told)

[9/24, 08:23] Buy Plot(s) Of Land: Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



1.As we all can see, there are inconsistency in some account narrated by the interviewed Oral(as we have been told)

Take for instance, the sacred Text says, ‘
Ógun may have had other attributes. He may have been a Phallic Deity, because there are hewn stones in Ífè, called the staves of Ógun, which appear p. 62 to be of Phallic origin'.


‘Ógun may also have been the Sun-God (or a worshipper of the Sun-God). His festival is commonly called Olójjor (Lord of Day). Oshogun says Ógun was Olójjor; Arába says Olójjor was someone else, the confusion being due to the circumstance that the two festivals take place at the same time. In this connection, the half-and-half colouring of Orányan is suggestive'.

Obviously, from the first quote, Yoruba people seem to have lost part of their history through generational vacuum, because, Og(gwg) also appeared as name in Raphaim archeological account in the Middle East , Og was a title for the Bashanite King is already found in Medieval Rabbinic literature, see Daat Zeqanim [ דעת זקנים ] to Genesis 24:39”.
Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’. Thus, ‘Og’ is not a personal name but a title of a Canaanite king. It is similar to other titles of the Ugaritic and Canaanite kings which emphasise their manhood par excellence, and thus their strength and military prowess: e.g., ish, amēlu, mt (Del Olmo Lete, ‘Los nombres “divinos”‘, 257-66). Second, the Phoenician tomb inscription . Byblos 13 has a definite article before ‘Og’


The second quote suggest also suggest that between Oshogun; the guardian of Ogun deity and Araba,over all IFA priest,noon of them agreed to a conclusion, which also showed,something is wrong somewhere,with part of the oral history.

Google : www.sacred.texts.com
Sacred-Texts Africa Index Previous


2. Many present crops of Yoruba scholars are yet to catch up with methodologies required to break the jinx of the strength of Yoruba form of writing.This area is the key to the unraveling the ancient past of Yorubas. Photograph, lexicology,hieroglyphs,cuneiform remain the REAL DEAL.

3. Today, Genetics in all form has become the scientific tool that exposes the hidden. Thus, this area hasn't been filled by Yorubas researchers, which add more to unravelling the mystery.

Lastly, as convincingly as the renowned Western researchers kept this intriguing believe of the history of Yorubas from the angle of Hebrew Origin,even with a suggestive map directlon of the possible migration to the present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

Below is a suggestive migration directions from the Middle East.

Mr Olu what do you know about yoruba ancient form of writing

Moorish:
Not trying to convince you either

Google is close to you

Use it

Don't mind this fools moor..

Olu317:
Yoruba aren't Bantoid as the ignorants had thought. Infact, NO IFA and its16 ODUS, NO YORUBA....IFA was and still THE PATH OF YORUBAS..

BANTU don't know anything CALLED IFA because it is not part of their tradition,except a Yoruba migrants of IFA apprenticeship or Bà Àwo find himself in another land for only reason known to Èlèdúùmàrè.

The uniqueness of Yoruba is unequal with these west Africa group because Yoruba are immigrant and conquerors, through their science and spiritual knowledge.

bantu are naked people

Olu317:
Obalufon,

there is a mystical Hill place in Oke Idanre ,where a leg's spot is and this leg's spot can fit into any leg size once anyone put his or her leg on it. Furthermore, there is also an ancient ARK in this place called ARK of Nuah(Ókó Nùwà). Perhaps, you can visit this place, for sight seeing.

thanks brother

OlaoChi:
SMH. *face-palm
How can somebody lack sense like this

West Africans are related to Bantu, how does that mean West Africans ARE Bantu
"related" "are the same" two different things. Gosh! Someone has to spell it out for you, and I'm sure you still don't comprehend. Smh

Mr bantoid .. we are not bantu..okay .. stick that to your hairy bantu arse

Sowore is so arrogant . pride comes before a fall

OlaoChi:

I am more Yoruba than you. deal with it!

in your dreams..

OlaoChi:
I'm more Yoruba than you so don't trip. You that don't know your family history, asking olu of all people to teach you your family history

you are not yoruba with all the negative stuff you post online about yoruba on ""Why Do Yorubas Keep Attacking Igbos For Mass Migration Into South West? thread you created to rubbish yoruba the deity of our land will chop your eyes deep in your retarded brain ...I know nothing even Socrates says he knows he knows nothing Likewise Orunmila....If you want to learn you have to detach yourself from all you've known .

OlaoChi:
Every learned person knows that Yoruba and Igbo share a common origin
Accusing anybody who knows this fact to be igbo or mixed with igbo means you are insinuating yorubas are incapable of learning, you might have a learning disorder but not all yorubas reject facts

we are not cannibals please .. ibo is different from yoruba ..genetically and anthropologically you people are different from us . ibos skin texture is different from yorubas skin ...our genetics aging attrition is different from ibos ..you are forest breed... no clothing culture.. look more to Cameroon that is where your people are please..ibo boy why are you trying to force yourself on us ..we are different get that straight into your thick skull

Yoruba are not bantu Bantu are forest people ..Some oral history source claim We came to our present abode due to great war from the east

Olu317:
PYGMY

The term " pygmoid" is a traditional morphological racial category for the Central African Pygmies, considered a subgroup of the Negroid category.
The African Pygmies , who were the hunter-gatherers of the Congo basin (comprising the Bambenga,Bambuti and Batwa)etc

Furthermore the term "Asiatic Pygmies" has been used of the Negrito populations of Maritime Southeast Asia and other Australoid peoples of short stature.
The T'rung (Taron) of Myanmar are an exceptional case of a "pygmy" population of East Asian phenotype.

In anthropology, pygmy peoples are ethnic groups whose average height is unusually short. The term pygmyism is used to describe the phenotype of endemic short stature (as opposed to disproportionate dwarfism occurring in isolated cases in a population) for populations in which adult men are on average less than 150 cm (4 ft 11 in) tall . The Pygmies are hunters-gatherers living in small seminomadic bands in the rainforest, and they are generally much shorter than their Bantu neighbors.


COMMON ORIGIN OF PYGMIES AND BANTUS

The Bantu people were said to be domicile in Nigeria for thousands of years but as at 5,000 years ago, after acquiring an advanced knowledge of hunter gatherers through the pygmies, they started moving out of the region of Nigeria and Cameroon into eastern, central and southern Africa and fused with Pygmies .

A team from CNRS and the Institut Pasteur, working with researchers in bioinformatics, ethnolinguistics, and epidemiology, suggests that Central African Pygmies and Bantus, two physically very different ethnic groups, branched out from a common ancestral population some 70,000 years ago.

The term “Bantu” applies to all African populations in whose language the word “bantu” means man . In the 1960s, it became a general label for over 400 ethnic groups spread all over sub-Saharan Africa. And Bantus are mainly rural farmers and sedentary herders.

But scientists will not stop at such an obvious difference. A CNRS-Pasteur team studied the difference between Bantu and Pygmy populations by looking at differences in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) 4 in the two groups. Why mtDNA rather than nuclear DNA? Because mtDNA, unlike nuclear DNA, is transmitted only through the female lineage. Similarities in mtDNA sequences thus imply descent from the same maternal ancestor.

The population sample analyzed was made up of 1500 individuals from 20 Bantu-speaking farmer populations and 9 hunter-gatherer Pygmy populations from Gabon, Cameroon, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Western Africa was chosen because it is one of the few regions where both populations coexist.

The researchers identified an ancestral and autochthonous lineage of mtDNA shared by Pygmies and Bantus, suggesting that both populations were originally one, and that they started to diverge from common ancestors around 70,000 years ago. After a period of isolation, during which current phenotype differences between Pygmies and Bantu farmers accumulated, Pygmy women started marrying male Bantu farmers (but not the opposite).

This trend started around 40,000 years ago, and continued until several thousand years ago. Subsequently, the Pygmy gene pool was not enriched by external gene influxes. The Bantu farmers’ gene pool, on the contrary, was enriched during the so-called “Bantu expansions,” an event corresponding to technological, demographic, and linguistic advances in the late Stone Age.

Most recently a very fascinating and relevant study came out in 2017. Basing itself on the ancient DNA remains (genome wide) of 16 Africans it stated that:
______________
“ the spread of farmers from western Africa involved
complete replacement of local hunter-gatherers in some regions “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)

But also that:

“ present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that
contributed more to the Mende than it did to the Yoruba “. (Skoglund et al., 2017

In all these, yoruba do not possess any DNA link with pygmies nor have ancestry that's archaic from basal African Basin .. . And I hope the Bantus descendants know themselves.

we are not fucking bantoid or bantu ...we are different.. i know bantu people

c'mon origin

OlaoChi:
LMAO this guy really thinks anyone who KNOWS yoruba and Igbo share a common origin must be an igbo person, you must think all yorubas are unlearned

unlearned wow that's interesting .. gloat and pride yourself in your ignorance . you must think all yorubas are unlearned ? what are you insinuating ..

OlaoChi:
I thought you said yorubas are jews before

you love the feelings of ibo being a jew.. i

OlaoChi:
as expected you have no proof, what's it with nairaland and bogus claims? this forum is filled with potential comedians only sad thing is you all are actually serious about what you say


I should stay off Yoruba? Come and take me off. Lmao so it is comparing Yoruba to Hebrews that is uplifting? . People will just say Yoruba have no history and need to attach to others for relevance, that is more degrading

Btw I'm not igbo, you seem obsessed with igbos
And instead of telling me to study history, you should take your own advice, you obviously don't know the first thing about your own family history talk less of Yoruba history in general

PS. Pygmies aren't even Bantu

bantu or pygmies you can restrict that to your own people ..i guess you are product of cross breed between the bantu and the pygmies

Olu317:
As we have been told through archeology finding on the discovery of The Iwo Eleru burial, which was excavated from the Iwo Eleru rock shelter, south-western Nigeria, in 1965 by Thurstan Shaw and his team.

The skeleton, preserving a calvaria, mandible and some postcranial remains, was found at a depth between 82 and 100 cm from the surface in an undisturbed Later Stone Age (hereafter LSA) context. Radiocarbon analysis of charcoal from the immediate vicinity of the burial resulted in an age estimate of 11,200±200 BP (∼13 ka calibrated).

The skull was reconstructed and studied by Brothwell , who linked it to recent West African populations, though he recognized that its lower vault and frontal profile were unusual, and that the mandible was robust.

The specimen is complete along the entire midline from nasion to beyond opisthocranion. Although it slightly asymmetric it shows no major distortions and the relatively well preserved mandible constrains its basal breadth. A preliminary multivariate analysis of cranial measurements by Peter Andrews,who suggested that the Iwo Eleru specimen was distinct from recent yoruba African groups

As we can see, yoruba ancestors didn't lived in south western Nigeria as claimed by some people 10,000 years ago but migrated to this part of the world less than 4000 years even through archeology finding because there is no archeology finding to support yoruba ancestors existed in this part of Nigeria 4000 years ago.

Sorry brother i don't believe the white on this We need the DNA result of Iwo Eleru skull to confirm their claim and more excavation of ile-ife .. ile-ife is the source of all living being . Orisun gbogbo omo adariwurun

OlaoChi:
Another senseless long post full of nothing but insults and personal attacks rather than deal with proving your own claims

If I reply this post with the words you deserve, metaphysical and BabaRamota1980 will say I insulted someone

Online forum is where you can say what you like, in the big real world you cannot, so enjoy it, that's all you have

ibos are jews

ibos are the real jews ..

mursi is different from Oromo or masai , mossi is different from hausa ..Yoruba is different from Ibos

OlaoChi:
Whats with the name calling all of you are into I'm a marauder now? Do you even know what marauder means?

Igbo split with Pygmies 3000yrs ago is scientifically proven?
5000 yrs relics in Ife?
Do show me

...igbo split with pygmies 3000yrs.. laughing i 've given you a close match something to ponder about the bantu pygmies of congo.. so stay off the Yoruba

attached is pictures of ibo women .comparing this people to us is so degrading ..we are different from you ..study your history please

Ilorin always rewrite history to suit their Islamic religion and affiliation to the north they are Yorubas

0balufonlll:
Thank you, baba.

Alale’fe a gbe ha, Olo’ mi.

what do you think about that useless sowore too.. anyway that one is not even full yoruba na apoi ijaw extract..Yoruba should stop mixing their blood

Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan is a clown.. .. he lacks knowledge of history

PrecisionFx:
"" clearly states Yoruba as the predominant DNA strain in all African descended Americans ""

It can only be ""In the Americas" as in south America and not in the United States of America.

Meanwhile Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone who has internet access from any part of the world n thus cannot be used as a basis for getting info on a controversial issue.



Simply list black Americans that traced their lineage to Nigeria n declared that they were Yorubas

If u can't list dem, Den ur point is dead before arrival.

Moor leave this people ALONE they won't accept the fact ...Ibos are american not Nigeria n laugh!!!