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Olu317:
Kindly SHARE and let's see what you have as a theory on the following :

Aramean(Iram,Aram)being Oranmiyan


Oduduwa

Obatala

Obalufon

Sango

*Ogun*

Midian being Mondiana

Addud (Haddud) being Oduduwa

*Haddud* son of Ad , being Oduduwa son of Adimula

*Jerusalem* being Ijebu-Isale

*Adimula*


The Yoruba pronunciations were and are near perfect of the original Semitic people of Hebrew origin,even if they don't recognise it. This is the reason, I don't doubt the native information that claimed, Yoruba are the ancestors of the world e'en if there is no accurate information to back this up . But gradually, scientific revolution will support the Oral, and the unknown 8% DNA found in Yorubas .

Certainly ,the foreigners are trying to resuscitate the language from its original form. Although,you must take cognizance of the language intermixing through migration of the Hebrews and other people from their foundational home to new world . And through this, part of their language slowly decline to give way to new found ones in their new home.


Cheers.

Obalufon:
well history should be told without sentiment.. Cameroonian tika that shared meaningful DNA with nigeria ibos due geographical closeness /were invaded by the fula tribe of the north and put into slavery No record of Ibos involvement in transatlantic trade ..

Tushkito:
I have no problem with Yoruba slave descendents in America but don't u ever in ur wasted life write thrash about igbos again because of slavery.

Obalufon

Tushkito:
Igbos were so weak, they would rather kill themselves than become slaves that is why we don't like them, we yorubers accepted our fate to become slaves because that is who we are since time immemorial and now we can proudly beat our chest and say we have more of our people in the US

Obalufon: (lays down on his bed bugged ridden mattress in his old brown roofed, my papa dash me house in his dirty village) I love my tribe so much cause we sold ourselves to our white beautiful masters, but igbos would either die than be slaves and I hate them for that, that is why we yaribas are so loved by our masters

(gets up and screams to the high heavens in joy mixed with inferiority complex and stupidity)
PROUDLY OMOLUABI OOOOOOOOO PROUDLY ODOURDOWA OOOOOOOO

Tushkito:
Igbos were so weak, they would rather kill themselves than become slaves that is why we don't like them, we yorubers accepted our fate to become slaves because that is who we are since time immemorial and now we can proudly beat our chest and say we have more of our people in the US

Obalufon: (lays down on his bed bugged ridden mattress in his old brown roofed, my papa dash me house in his dirty village) I love my tribe so much cause we sold ourselves to our white beautiful masters, but igbos would either die than be slaves and I hate them for that, that is why we yaribas are so loved by our masters

(gets up and screams to the high heavens in joy mixed with inferiority complex and stupidity)
PROUDLY OMOLUABI OOOOOOOOO PROUDLY ODOURDOWA OOOOOOOO

oodualover:
What da fuc.k is this dumb a.ss yapping about? I just gave you the list of some African Americans that trace their origin to yoruba people. I should not quote wiki indeed. You mean a historian like gates can't trace his ancestors origin? You bleeping weak as.s Igbo loser. Kareem Abdul jabbar, Nas and henry loiuse gates are yoruba Descents. They traced traced their origin to Yoruba peoples of west Africa. They said it themselves!!! Henry loiuse gates ancestors come from Yoruba people in Benin republic. You fuc.king loser.

Olu317:
as usual èebúniwà. This one won't save you. Post your oriki and compound name in Oranmiyan and let's see your claim.

Like I said, you will run..... I am not perturbed at all with your negative words as you can see my Oriki works for me . I am as calm as ever...... Just post your oriki sé and let's see who is worth being glorified as the REAL PRINCE. Mind you, princehood does not bring money to one's pocket nor a stigma.....Many warrior sons in the ancient Yoruba Ooni Oranmiyan descendant are acknowledged and mine own ancestors are acknowledged.

Mr. leave distraction and do the needful. After all you claimed ILEIFE. Funny enough I am the one that's supposed to shy away from posting it if I had lied but I posted it for obalufon to see it on this same platform. So do the needful obalufonIII. Proof yourself.

Unfortunately, you made me do this to you because of your actions online. As far as I am concerned, there are so many obalufon descendants with glorious characters but you are proud,disrespectful and ignorant of history.

0balufonlll:
1. When did the Ijebu-Sudan claim begin & what did the Ijebu people/kings say before that Ijebu-Sudan time? Look at Ijebu kings & warriors told the British during Yoruba internecine wars. See Samuel Johnson or go to National Archives, Ibadan. They told the colonialists they came from Ile-Ife & they fought the wars on Ife’s side to ensure Ile-Ife is restored. Why didn’t the Ijebu king & warriors of that period which was 19th century tell the British they came from Sudan?

I will share a journal article with you. It was published in 1956. While the author did refer to Waddai/Sudan, everything he said pointed towards Ile-Ife. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elsdi8dqh8zcfvk/THE%20EARLY%20HISTORY%20OF%20IJEBU.pdf?dl=0

2. The problem with the second emboldened statement is that you are confusing religious myth wit actual event. Let us look at your statement which I emboldened - Ife is the center of creation means you are refering to Ife Oodaye which involved inebriate Obatala & Oduduwa landind on earth with a chain. This is purely religious. Actual Ife history says that there were people occupying villages before Oduduwa scattered everything. In fact, the Owa Ijesa & Ekiti kings met people in the several settlements where they became king. This means human creation did not start in this Ile-Ife or anyone at that. Even science speaks of emergence of several humans at different points of history.

3. What books? Are these books certified by communities of professionals or just a group of people with wild imaginative compositions?

4. Arab culture is a literate one. If there were any evet of the migration of the magnitude ofthe Yoruba, they would know. And as you have rightly said, Ife is older than the Egypt which is the oldest civilization. Now if Ife is older than Egypt then why should Ife come out of a much younger civilization of Arab or Hebrew?

5. As for Olu, see, I have encountered him on several threads. That man is an olodo, he knows nothing. I have pointed out & corrected several of is fradulent misinformations. There was a time that theif claimed because his Oriki included ‘Alaga Ogun’ then Lajoodogun’s real name was ‘Lagadogun’ and that he was a descendant of Lajoodogun. On another thread, he claimed rams & sheeps represented Oodua & Obatala - I had to call him out for that too. Several instances of that man’s fraud abound, o yapa gan. His style is to bend a fact to suit his preconceived idea then when a person who knows the actual deal calls him out he will 1. Evade the post all together. 2. Shift goal post to another idea 3. Rabble rouse and try to deflect the entire problem to another person. Tell him not to sit in the corner of his room, invite him to Ife & show him things about Obalufon to start with and that way he can begin to develop mentally & stop relying on his imaginations of what he knows nothing about. The fraud is a write off, abeg.

Olu317:
But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

Olu317:
But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

macof:
Yes all the Irunmole did land in Ifè..that's part of Yoruba traditions as regards Spirituality

But I'm talking History, that is why I said Esu - the man

If you read my post to @hayoholla you will say how I explained the duality of Characters in Yoruba traditions, each Orisa is both spiritual/mythical and Historical/physical.. They have two sides
Same Esu who was the 9th Alaketu of Ketu(historically) is said to be a son of Osun and Orunmila(mythically /spiritually)

Btw Irunmole are not Angels, very different concepts, let's leave Asian concepts to the Asians

macof:
Yes, I'm well aware of Esu and his significance in areas where he is significant.. Not the entire length and breath of Yorubaland
In Ifè, Esu's role is mainly taken up by Oluorogbo

macof:
. Like I said, Esu - the man
Historically, at least not that I know of, Esu did not live in Ife

macof:
. Like I said, Esu - the man
Historically, at least not that I know of, Esu did not live in Ife

macof:
1. Wrong accents marks for most of what is written there. You don't seem to speak Yoruba fluently? As I still remember you couldn't tell the difference between "ìlú" and "ìlù"

T'ibì T'ire ni à da ilẹ̀ Ayé
That is the right way to write what you were trying to say.

2. "Àlominílé f'ẹjẹ wẹ" is an oriki of Ogun not Esu

3. Esu - the man - was from Ketu. All traditions around Esu revolves around Ketu, with Oyo recording his presence among them at some time
He had no presence in places like Ife, reason Esu has no signicant following in central and Eastern Yoruba towns
If Esu traveled as far as the middle east, I think Yorubas would know that

Olu317:
Hmmmm Èsù láàlú ogíríoko! À l'omi lè f'éjé wé. A lot on this diety has been said as he is referred as a service renderer to whoever call upon him through the necessary sacrifice and the consent of Èlèdúùmàrè.

Olu317:
The Bénin Republic can't pick out yoruba from Ibos but differentiate us through our languages. This is because, Nigeria yoruba language is intelligible to Yorubas of Bénin Republic. But Ibo language is outrightly alien. I know this because I lived in Bénin for some years and I know how every peculiar look is stigmatised as, ‘ Ibo'. The Fon people ignorantly calls English speaking Nigerians Ibos, until such person claim Yoruba, a language which they don't understand the language but because of long historical connection with them, they show some traditional respect. Mind you, Yoruba orisa Ibeji is well appreciated and is part of their cherished tradition that's showcase in their museum.

Note:
This is a personal and first hand information on Republique du Bénin .

Olu317:
You are awesome with your encouragement but trust me, they don't bother me because they are intellectually stagnant and have nowhere to go . And Yes, the novice accused Adimula, as an usurper, yet the man lived and organised a monarchial system that has sustained genealogical links,with the longest dynasty in AFRICA, Middle East and second to HAN dynasty (206 BC–220 AD) China, which had collapsed 1000+ of years ago. This same people are the ones that still claim genealogical link with Olofin Adimula, Isn't it funny? Anyway, I remain an humble descendant of Ooni olofin descendants, especially through Oanmiyan patrilineal loin.

Mind you, my ancestor oriki is; Omo arogun màsà aróté màbérú àfídí pótémólé.


Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
They do not have any history in their coffer, it’s all lies they can tell and in order not to be called out, they don't share any tradition at all. So their policy is simple, silence cannot be misquoted. But as for you brave enough to tell a story, they will subject your details to the hardest process that the fragile fact you have will break asunder.

Since they don't engage in educated discourse but mockery, bullying, trolling and cynicism, it would be difficult for an easy person to muster strength and engage them beyond two or more posts before [k'epo to tan ninu tank] at the end, and you began to dread them. I really salute your courage slogging it out with their champion, Ogbon nii segun.

They have been calling Oduduwa 'the usurper', imagine such fellows, aren't these really some descendants of one with character defect indeed, and a wine-babbler, mocking and laughing and jiving? A man will behave like his ancestors. All they know how to do best is transforming a piece of "misinformation" to an astounding, unbreakable tradition that never lead to any other tradition in Yoruba. Such is an adagun, without proof.

They have stood against you having link with Ife even if in the remotest past, yet the same folks claim all Yoruba came from Ile Ife, is that not double standard enough? Olu's remarkable ancestors did not come from Ife, but other Yoruba people and as many as their kings were, does. Is that not a remarkable conclusion to ponder upon?

The tradition they were touting here is that of Orunmila, who was referred to as 'Edu' in a passage of Ifa, of whom it is said, "Ifa o mu sekete ifa o niye, baba gbagba oti kanri, iye Edu la!" While the verse claimed that Ifa took wine to boost his memory, this people find a way to transform this tradition and superimpose Obatala on it as 'archenemy' of Oduduwa. How so?

Obatala is not a contemporary of Oduduwa, his nature is not connected to migration, he was established as a sculpture (morimori) in the homeland of the ancient Yoruba, Orun. In fact, if these people are wise, they will respect the Yoruba tradition that says "Olobatala kii memu" and leave Obatala out of the drunk business, but they needed a story to tell, any storying would do.

Obatala is identical with Orisa-Nla or Osala, and of him is the saying, 'babami ala funfun gboo kanle' the adjective 'gbo' has become Igbo on nairaland, and it is the root of Igbo/Ugbo that we now have becoming a tradition on its own, meanwhile, gbo is the whiteness of the tunic of Obatala. So, Olugbo can blend in to Oba-gbo, cropping out the rest of the information for just 'gbo' and affixing anything you like.

You can see how our researchers are progressing, "cognate reformation" must be a course in historical departments in our universities. Now the point is, if this was what led to the rise of Oduduwa and the fall of Obatala, how come the Yoruba came to claim Oduduwa was their ancestor? there was a fight between Obatala and Oduduwa, then Yoruba claim Oduduwa was their progenitor because he won?

The Yoruba were not aware of this "reassignment of icons of Yoruba history". They were familiar with the tradition of mecca origin taught them in the school, the hamitic theory so to speak. If you are a researcher, no need improve on the "hamitic theory", let go of it and uncover a different name, but the fools want to eat their cake and have it by changing the narrative to fit their local content, in the name of being scholars.

folks, you are trained to do research, not to do 'join-join' work by synchronizing different anachronistic traditions and 'iya oba baba tan' kind of history together because it all (assumed to have) happened in the same realm, let your claim have a wider scope, reaching the exterior limits of the realms of knowledge, not an unsearchable gist that everyone must bow to because it comes from somewhere but nowhere in particular.

Come out with your claims, don't be wise by half.

OgboAto:
Obalufon, this is why everyone seems to have a problem with your friend. He does not understand the things he read. He has no analytical skills and he is very naive - he takes things as is instead of critiquing first.

Mr Olu, since you did not know, I would like to educate you again like others have been doing.

What Europeans wrote was that you, a black man, were too dumb & at the base of human existence.

They wrote that you were very unintelligent, your brain capacity could not have invented indigenous monarchy; you were too crude to do the Ife & Esie artworks; you were equals with monkeys that you could not organize a village. So they invented the Hamitic hypothesis that everything of value in Ife/Africa was created/invented by Arabs, Hebrews, Europeans who were early occupants of Africa and you the black man only came into the picture from nowhere and met these artworks & civilization on ground.

Everyone from Fobrenius, Dierk Lange, Mundo Park to Christian missionaries like Bowe nthe founder of Baptist Church held the same view.

Look at what Bowen the founder of Baptist had to say about you, a black man:



In essence, Olu, your pursuit is misplaced. The whitemen said those who created what makes you proud as a Yoruba today were not back men but those with caucasian phenotype. And that you, Olu, only came from where no one knows & occupied a civilization that existed before you.

Europeans tried the same thing with Bini when they claimed Bini artworks were done by Portuguese. They disagreed wit te fact that Bini people could do such wonders. They even invented a story around this to say Bini kings had some Portuguese backgrounds/connections.

Today, in our very eyes, the history of Egypt is being whitewashed daily. They are trying so hard to push a narrative that old Egyptians were not negro but caucasia looking. I am guessing if Olu reincarates in next few centuries he will begin to disturb everyone then with claims that old Egyptians came from Caucasus mountains.

0balufonlll:
Baba, you just described your homeboy Olu. He knows nothing about Yoruba religion and he is poorly read. He his muddling up everything. He is not an intelligent person.

0balufonlll:
Olaochi is not an outsider. If anything, he protects the independence & originality of Yoruba history better. I mean, he thinks of Yoruba as a stand alone original civilization & not a group whose identity is to be found in Arab or Jew.

OlaoChi:
You are clearly a dunce its good you know that
Yoruba say "ibo" when speaking Yoruba, Yoruba say "igbo" when speaking English, but a dunce thinks this means I'm igbo

Show me one post where I insulted yorubas. You won't because I don't insult ethnicities, I promote peace and common sense
While you bigots go around with hate speech against Edo and Igbo thinking that is what proves your Yorubaness, I don't attack Nations, I'm too exposed and far too cultured for that nonsense childish behavior
Maybe that's what makes you think I'm igbo
As if a Yoruba person is incapable of reason and common sense

Olu317:
Ask him to post his ancestors name in the oriki and family compound as I did that you saw it .

OlaoChi:
Are you freaking retarded or what?
How can someone be this impervious to learning?
For the last time, I am not igbo