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Culture / Re: So, Most African Americans Are Of Yoruba Descent ? by Obalufon: 11:50am On Oct 03, 2018
oodualover:

What da fuc.k is this dumb a.ss yapping about? I just gave you the list of some African Americans that trace their origin to yoruba people. I should not quote wiki indeed. You mean a historian like gates can't trace his ancestors origin? You bleeping weak as.s Igbo loser. Kareem Abdul jabbar, Nas and henry loiuse gates are yoruba Descents. They traced traced their origin to Yoruba peoples of west Africa. They said it themselves!!! Henry loiuse gates ancestors come from Yoruba people in Benin republic. You fuc.king loser.
don't stress your
Self with these flat head monkeys .. ibos slaves were business lost to the slave traders/ captives during the slave trade....No slave merchants want to buy bunch of cannibals . Most America traced to the ibos are mainly from Cameroon tika people due closeness they share DNA similarity with ibos of Nigeria . Ibos have no record of known slaves merchants in their jungle you can't tame the beast..no record of internal war

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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:28am On Oct 03, 2018
Olu317:
grin grin grin as usual èebúniwà. This one won't save you. Post your oriki and compound name in Oranmiyan and let's see your claim.

Like I said, you will run..... I am not perturbed at all with your negative words as you can see my Oriki works for me cheesy cheesy. I am as calm as ever...... Just post your oriki sé cheesy and let's see who is worth being glorified as the REAL PRINCE. Mind you, princehood does not bring money to one's pocket nor a stigma.....Many warrior sons in the ancient Yoruba Ooni Oranmiyan descendant are acknowledged and mine own ancestors are acknowledged.

Mr. leave distraction and do the needful. After all you claimed ILEIFE. Funny enough I am the one that's supposed to shy away from posting it if I had lied but I posted it for obalufon to see it on this same platform. So do the needful obalufonIII. Proof yourself.

Unfortunately, you made me do this to you because of your actions online. As far as I am concerned, there are so many obalufon descendants with glorious characters but you are proud,disrespectful and ignorant of history.
please bothers don't fight share knowledge.
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 2:28am On Oct 03, 2018
0balufonlll:


1. When did the Ijebu-Sudan claim begin & what did the Ijebu people/kings say before that Ijebu-Sudan time? Look at Ijebu kings & warriors told the British during Yoruba internecine wars. See Samuel Johnson or go to National Archives, Ibadan. They told the colonialists they came from Ile-Ife & they fought the wars on Ife’s side to ensure Ile-Ife is restored. Why didn’t the Ijebu king & warriors of that period which was 19th century tell the British they came from Sudan?

I will share a journal article with you. It was published in 1956. While the author did refer to Waddai/Sudan, everything he said pointed towards Ile-Ife. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elsdi8dqh8zcfvk/THE%20EARLY%20HISTORY%20OF%20IJEBU.pdf?dl=0

2. The problem with the second emboldened statement is that you are confusing religious myth wit actual event. Let us look at your statement which I emboldened - Ife is the center of creation means you are refering to Ife Oodaye which involved inebriate Obatala & Oduduwa landind on earth with a chain. This is purely religious. Actual Ife history says that there were people occupying villages before Oduduwa scattered everything. In fact, the Owa Ijesa & Ekiti kings met people in the several settlements where they became king. This means human creation did not start in this Ile-Ife or anyone at that. Even science speaks of emergence of several humans at different points of history.

3. What books? Are these books certified by communities of professionals or just a group of people with wild imaginative compositions?

4. Arab culture is a literate one. If there were any evet of the migration of the magnitude ofthe Yoruba, they would know. And as you have rightly said, Ife is older than the Egypt which is the oldest civilization. Now if Ife is older than Egypt then why should Ife come out of a much younger civilization of Arab or Hebrew?

5. As for Olu, see, I have encountered him on several threads. That man is an olodo, he knows nothing. I have pointed out & corrected several of is fradulent misinformations. There was a time that theif claimed because his Oriki included ‘Alaga Ogun’ then Lajoodogun’s real name was ‘Lagadogun’ and that he was a descendant of Lajoodogun. On another thread, he claimed rams & sheeps represented Oodua & Obatala - I had to call him out for that too. Several instances of that man’s fraud abound, o yapa gan. His style is to bend a fact to suit his preconceived idea then when a person who knows the actual deal calls him out he will 1. Evade the post all together. 2. Shift goal post to another idea 3. Rabble rouse and try to deflect the entire problem to another person. Tell him not to sit in the corner of his room, invite him to Ife & show him things about Obalufon to start with and that way he can begin to develop mentally & stop relying on his imaginations of what he knows nothing about. The fraud is a write off, abeg.


who were the people living in Ekiti prior to coming of the crown king from IFE...ILE-IFE is the source of creation Land of expansion..
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 4:25pm On Oct 01, 2018
Olu317:

But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...
even some Oriki are emi omo ejo Nla ,,Emi omo ekun..Omo erin jogun Ola ... They are attributes of ancestral lineage ..Edun has a deeper meaning than mere monkey likewise Ijmire
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 4:21pm On Oct 01, 2018
Olu317:

But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...
..even some Oriki are emi omo ejo
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:55pm On Sep 30, 2018
as jesus is the medium God and man in Christianity .likewise .Esu too is the medium between God and man in our tradition
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:47pm On Sep 30, 2018
macof:


Yes all the Irunmole did land in Ifè..that's part of Yoruba traditions as regards Spirituality

But I'm talking History, that is why I said Esu - the man

If you read my post to @hayoholla you will say how I explained the duality of Characters in Yoruba traditions, each Orisa is both spiritual/mythical and Historical/physical.. They have two sides
Same Esu who was the 9th Alaketu of Ketu(historically) is said to be a son of Osun and Orunmila(mythically /spiritually)

Btw Irunmole are not Angels, very different concepts, let's leave Asian concepts to the Asians


Esu the physical is not the esu the irumole .. what is the meaning of irumole in English,,irumole are messengers of God. forces of nature that we can tap in and make use of
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:29pm On Sep 30, 2018
macof:


Yes, I'm well aware of Esu and his significance in areas where he is significant.. Not the entire length and breath of Yorubaland
In Ifè, Esu's role is mainly taken up by Oluorogbo

what is the significant of esu in ifa tradition ?
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:55pm On Sep 30, 2018
macof:
. Like I said, Esu - the man
Historically, at least not that I know of, Esu did not live in Ife


All the irumoles (Angels) landed in ile -IFE they all lived in IFE before creation of man
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:48pm On Sep 30, 2018
macof:
. Like I said, Esu - the man
Historically, at least not that I know of, Esu did not live in Ife


Do you know the significant of Esu in yoruba tradition? atleast you would have seen sacrifices at T junction before ..Esu convey any ritual or prayers to God..Esu is the driving force of our tradition
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 8:54pm On Sep 30, 2018
macof:


1. Wrong accents marks for most of what is written there. You don't seem to speak Yoruba fluently? As I still remember you couldn't tell the difference between "ìlú" and "ìlù"

T'ibì T'ire ni à da ilẹ̀ Ayé
That is the right way to write what you were trying to say.

2. "Àlominílé f'ẹjẹ wẹ" is an oriki of Ogun not Esu

3. Esu - the man - was from Ketu. All traditions around Esu revolves around Ketu, with Oyo recording his presence among them at some time
He had no presence in places like Ife, reason Esu has no signicant following in central and Eastern Yoruba towns
If Esu traveled as far as the middle east, I think Yorubas would know that
what are you saying macof Esu had no presence in Ile ife
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 10:20am On Sep 30, 2018
Olu317:
Hmmmm Èsù láàlú ogíríoko! À l'omi lè f'éjé wé. A lot on this diety has been said as he is referred as a service renderer to whoever call upon him through the necessary sacrifice and the consent of Èlèdúùmàrè.


Olu is esu devil?.. Please Esu is not Devil nothing like devil or Satan in yoruba tradition ..Are you a christian? ..Esu is the medium between Almighty God and man.. he curtails our excesses .
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 9:10pm On Sep 29, 2018
Olu317:
The Bénin Republic can't pick out yoruba from Ibos but differentiate us through our languages. This is because, Nigeria yoruba language is intelligible to Yorubas of Bénin Republic. But Ibo language is outrightly alien. I know this because I lived in Bénin for some years and I know how every peculiar look is stigmatised as, ‘ Ibo'. The Fon people ignorantly calls English speaking Nigerians Ibos, until such person claim Yoruba, a language which they don't understand the language but because of long historical connection with them, they show some traditional respect. Mind you, Yoruba orisa Ibeji is well appreciated and is part of their cherished tradition that's showcase in their museum.

Note:
This is a personal and first hand information on Republique du Bénin .


bro ..i need more information on monkey story by your friend absolute.. he real makes lots of sense with the yoruba Hebrew connection . but there are little flaws on his long write up.. Esu is not devil there is nothing devil in ife or yoruba tradition. and the story of gbo too
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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:22pm On Sep 29, 2018
Olu317:
You are awesome with your encouragement but trust me, they don't bother me because they are intellectually stagnant and have nowhere to go . And Yes, the novice accused Adimula, as an usurper, yet the man lived and organised a monarchial system that has sustained genealogical links,with the longest dynasty in AFRICA, Middle East and second to HAN dynasty (206 BC–220 AD) China, which had collapsed 1000+ of years ago. This same people are the ones that still claim genealogical link with Olofin Adimula, Isn't it funny? Anyway, I remain an humble descendant of Ooni olofin descendants, especially through Oanmiyan patrilineal loin.

Mind you, my ancestor oriki is; Omo arogun màsà aróté màbérú àfídí pótémólé.


Cheers

Olu please summarize the monkey claim by your friend.. i don't look like monkey laugh

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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 6:17pm On Sep 29, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


They do not have any history in their coffer, it’s all lies they can tell and in order not to be called out, they don't share any tradition at all. So their policy is simple, silence cannot be misquoted. But as for you brave enough to tell a story, they will subject your details to the hardest process that the fragile fact you have will break asunder.

Since they don't engage in educated discourse but mockery, bullying, trolling and cynicism, it would be difficult for an easy person to muster strength and engage them beyond two or more posts before [k'epo to tan ninu tank] at the end, and you began to dread them. I really salute your courage slogging it out with their champion, Ogbon nii segun.

They have been calling Oduduwa 'the usurper', imagine such fellows, aren't these really some descendants of one with character defect indeed, and a wine-babbler, mocking and laughing and jiving? A man will behave like his ancestors. All they know how to do best is transforming a piece of "misinformation" to an astounding, unbreakable tradition that never lead to any other tradition in Yoruba. Such is an adagun, without proof.

They have stood against you having link with Ife even if in the remotest past, yet the same folks claim all Yoruba came from Ile Ife, is that not double standard enough? Olu's remarkable ancestors did not come from Ife, but other Yoruba people and as many as their kings were, does. Is that not a remarkable conclusion to ponder upon?

The tradition they were touting here is that of Orunmila, who was referred to as 'Edu' in a passage of Ifa, of whom it is said, "Ifa o mu sekete ifa o niye, baba gbagba oti kanri, iye Edu la!" While the verse claimed that Ifa took wine to boost his memory, this people find a way to transform this tradition and superimpose Obatala on it as 'archenemy' of Oduduwa. How so?

Obatala is not a contemporary of Oduduwa, his nature is not connected to migration, he was established as a sculpture (morimori) in the homeland of the ancient Yoruba, Orun. In fact, if these people are wise, they will respect the Yoruba tradition that says "Olobatala kii memu" and leave Obatala out of the drunk business, but they needed a story to tell, any storying would do.

Obatala is identical with Orisa-Nla or Osala, and of him is the saying, 'babami ala funfun gboo kanle' the adjective 'gbo' has become Igbo on nairaland, and it is the root of Igbo/Ugbo that we now have becoming a tradition on its own, meanwhile, gbo is the whiteness of the tunic of Obatala. So, Olugbo can blend in to Oba-gbo, cropping out the rest of the information for just 'gbo' and affixing anything you like.

You can see how our researchers are progressing, "cognate reformation" must be a course in historical departments in our universities. Now the point is, if this was what led to the rise of Oduduwa and the fall of Obatala, how come the Yoruba came to claim Oduduwa was their ancestor? there was a fight between Obatala and Oduduwa, then Yoruba claim Oduduwa was their progenitor because he won?

The Yoruba were not aware of this "reassignment of icons of Yoruba history". They were familiar with the tradition of mecca origin taught them in the school, the hamitic theory so to speak. If you are a researcher, no need improve on the "hamitic theory", let go of it and uncover a different name, but the fools want to eat their cake and have it by changing the narrative to fit their local content, in the name of being scholars.

folks, you are trained to do research, not to do 'join-join' work by synchronizing different anachronistic traditions and 'iya oba baba tan' kind of history together because it all (assumed to have) happened in the same realm, let your claim have a wider scope, reaching the exterior limits of the realms of knowledge, not an unsearchable gist that everyone must bow to because it comes from somewhere but nowhere in particular.

Come out with your claims, don't be wise by half.

Obatala is identical with Orisa-Nla or Osala, and of him is the saying, 'babami ala funfun gboo kanle' the adjective 'gbo' has become Igbo on nairaland, and it is the root of Igbo/Ugbo that we now have becoming a tradition on its own, meanwhile, gbo is the whiteness of the tunic of Obatala. So, Olugbo can blend in to Oba-gbo, cropping out the rest of the information for just 'gbo' and affixing anything you like....??
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:52am On Sep 29, 2018
i love this .. is getting exciting now..

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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:21pm On Sep 28, 2018
OgboAto:


Obalufon, this is why everyone seems to have a problem with your friend. He does not understand the things he read. He has no analytical skills and he is very naive - he takes things as is instead of critiquing first.

Mr Olu, since you did not know, I would like to educate you again like others have been doing.

What Europeans wrote was that you, a black man, were too dumb & at the base of human existence.

They wrote that you were very unintelligent, your brain capacity could not have invented indigenous monarchy; you were too crude to do the Ife & Esie artworks; you were equals with monkeys that you could not organize a village. So they invented the Hamitic hypothesis that everything of value in Ife/Africa was created/invented by Arabs, Hebrews, Europeans who were early occupants of Africa and you the black man only came into the picture from nowhere and met these artworks & civilization on ground.

Everyone from Fobrenius, Dierk Lange, Mundo Park to Christian missionaries like Bowe nthe founder of Baptist Church held the same view.

Look at what Bowen the founder of Baptist had to say about you, a black man:



In essence, Olu, your pursuit is misplaced. The whitemen said those who created what makes you proud as a Yoruba today were not back men but those with caucasian phenotype. And that you, Olu, only came from where no one knows & occupied a civilization that existed before you.

Europeans tried the same thing with Bini when they claimed Bini artworks were done by Portuguese. They disagreed wit te fact that Bini people could do such wonders. They even invented a story around this to say Bini kings had some Portuguese backgrounds/connections.

Today, in our very eyes, the history of Egypt is being whitewashed daily. They are trying so hard to push a narrative that old Egyptians were not negro but caucasia looking. I am guessing if Olu reincarates in next few centuries he will begin to disturb everyone then with claims that old Egyptians came from Caucasus mountains.

you know i hate the white devils with passion

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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:55pm On Sep 28, 2018
0balufonlll:


Baba, you just described your homeboy Olu. He knows nothing about Yoruba religion and he is poorly read. He his muddling up everything. He is not an intelligent person.

what do you think about ijebu Sudan claim......please don't quick to disprove Mr olu claim to Hebrew you can't judge based on ife history alone.. my ife history believe we are the first creation of God ,Orisun gbo gbo omo adariwun .go and read books from Babylon to Timbuktu.... i have heard of Ephraim group too in Lagos ..there could be influx of Hebrew in yoruba land ..or forefathers were great travelers ifa priest were likes monks in those days they traveled wide preaching orumila and ifa
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:31pm On Sep 28, 2018
we need time machine to solve this historical puzzle.. ObalufonIII I believe your friend (olaochi) is a christian his not exposed to Yoruba religion and science he wouldn't have disproved the possibility of link to the east because middle east is assumed to be the birth place of civilization even our so called know it all white masters think we are from the east .. i'm once an Amorc verse in Egyptian mysticism and ancient mystical order and history also involved in my nativity religion....i'm not a bigot if you attacked my race i would fight back.
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:03pm On Sep 28, 2018
0balufonlll:


Olaochi is not an outsider. If anything, he protects the independence & originality of Yoruba history better. I mean, he thinks of Yoruba as a stand alone original civilization & not a group whose identity is to be found in Arab or Jew.

if he could tie a whole race with bantu or ibo to me ,he is not a yoruba person..yoruba religion is more than 3 thousand years if we breakup with them there will be historical, cultural and religion relationship with the ibos ..possibility of igala breakup is viable because there is cultural and historical tie with them..black will write their own history not history of African written by whites ... To me ife ile predate even Egypt . lot of African scholars and historian that ventured to think outside the white man's cage and shackles like sheik Cheikh Anta Diop .Dr. John Henrik Clarke..proved Egypt and yoruba connection... Ile -ife is the beginning
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 1:01pm On Sep 28, 2018
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Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:37pm On Sep 28, 2018
OlaoChi:

You are clearly a dunce grin its good you know that
Yoruba say "ibo" when speaking Yoruba, Yoruba say "igbo" when speaking English, but a dunce thinks this means I'm igbo grin grin grin

Show me one post where I insulted yorubas. You won't because I don't insult ethnicities, I promote peace and common sense
While you bigots go around with hate speech against Edo and Igbo thinking that is what proves your Yorubaness, I don't attack Nations, I'm too exposed and far too cultured for that nonsense childish behavior
Maybe that's what makes you think I'm igbo grin grin
As if a Yoruba person is incapable of reason and common sense

i laugh mr sabi all.. wetin go deal with you is already close to you
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 12:13pm On Sep 28, 2018
Olu317:
Ask him to post his ancestors name in the oriki and family compound as I did that you saw it .

you guys should stop fighting
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:36am On Sep 28, 2018
OlaoChi:


Are you freaking retarded or what?
How can someone be this impervious to learning?
For the last time, I am not igbo

typical of ibo boy i sabi English "impervious"' .. you are ibo....yoruba say ibo not igbo ..You go use your flat head carry curb web soon continue.....i read all your useless post on nairaland insulting the yorubas
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:30am On Sep 28, 2018
0balufonlll:


No wahala, baba. It would have been nice to merry together at the festival. You and I already shared certain information, so I know what part of Ife you are from. Orunto, Ideta & Giesi are my backgrounds. My old man is one of the Sookos in Giesi line.

You don't have to merge with the outsider olaochi to fight your own brother .... I'm link to giesi too paternal great grand mother and ogboru too ..very close with the sijuades
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:51am On Sep 28, 2018
OlaoChi:


I've told you before that these two guys are frauds. Since book did not sell, maybe online coaching is what they think will make money for them grin


Don't let me hex you .. olaochi wetin be your name ..what is your business with yoruba issue
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:47am On Sep 28, 2018
Olu317:
The difference between you and I is,‘ LIE '. AND I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE MY STRENGTH. SO BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ASK Obalufon to ask me to proof me and I.

I intend to make you change so as for you to pick a new moniker grin . Dare me by asking obalufon to say it to me. And I will honour his voice. And thereafter, post your ancestor too grin

Please who was your ancestor? Or are you Ibo too?



Olu please for the sake of our ancestors don't fight abeg oo, we are all here to learn .. kindly say who the father of Luusi was
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:33am On Sep 28, 2018
Olu317:
obviously, you are the liar.

Like I said, I wont say who was the father of Luusi. So whose descendants are you? And if I had said Lafogido was a father of Luusi, was it wrong ? Who was Lafogido's father? grin grin. Trust me, I am enjoying this because you have no respect for Ìsésé, ìtàn àtí àróbà. Èmí ómó ìré tí wón lè fí bó'rè. Go ask what it means angry

Beg Obalufon to say it to me to post it because he is humble enough to earn my endearing respect . Else I won't post it because I want you to remain ignorant forever. grin. Except he wants me to rubbish you. grin. Once he says go, I will post it because I want to silence your ignorance. grin


please don't fight ooo oral history is like a puzzle we can't discard one for another .
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:22am On Sep 28, 2018
0balufonlll:



I’ll help you with your ancestry history so you can stop chasing a false connection to Ife:



See: https://oloolutof./2018/06/15/the-brief-history-of-ikare/

@Obalufon, as you can see, your friend Olu is a liar. That is his the history of his ancestors above, he has to links with Ife. He is again exposed as a fraud. Be mindful of your interactions with him. Are you going to be around for Olojo? We should visit your compound tomorrow or Saturday from my compound - you know the usual stuff.

Hey would you be there also? i would have loved to see you oo bro but i live in Lagos now.. i won't be there this year ..if you need to confirm my legitimacy i'm from oyesomo lineage in obalufon the present obalara is my Uncle we called him baba oyi way back then his extremely fair Oluwagbemiga Adebayo
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:40pm On Sep 26, 2018
i don't doubt the possibility of migration into the region from east . we have knowledge of horse and camel as means of transportation..cushite empire stretched across sahara desert ...
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 3:02pm On Sep 26, 2018
absoluteSuccess:


While that seems a good theory to review, it is an open discourse with different perspectives to the history at hand. I for one believe that the Yoruba were the arrowhead of the migrants from the Levant to the the sub-sahara.

From this merchant migrants that came to the northern part of the country 3000 years ago, sprang the major tribes in the country and beyond. Isaiah gave a good hint what may be the earliest and the last correspondent to Nigeria in the 18th chapter. That's my simple submission.

Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago, hence my date. As to aborigine, the Yoruba ancestors were the landowners themselves, no more no less. Awon Alale. You know that we can't always bend Yoruba traditions to every English word basically because Yoruba language is not a product of colonialism.

Normal is normal, abnormal is ab-normal, likewise, aborigine or "ab-origin" is something without origin, Yoruba do not envisage her past as without origin, hence we do not have perfect match for that English word than "alainiran". This is contrary to Yoruba belief-system: our history is not subjected to European collegian ideals, "Omo ale nii fowo osi juwe ile baba re".

When you investigate the history of the Yoruba people, they venerate their ancestors as awon imole, people of the light, awon alale, the land owners, awon owa, the seekers, awon orin, the migrants, awon to teleyi do, the folks that step on the land and camp on it. These are all an irrefutable tradition.

Then since every town has its tale of origin, that nullify the aborigine adaptation for Yoruba history, not until we find a place without tradition of origin to recon with as probably "the original aborigine origin of the Yoruba". Until then the grammar "aborigine" can continue in the head of the 'elite' historians. They have their own history of the Yoruba too.
i hate the date you are putting on ife 3000yrs is damn recent Great Pyramid was built over 6000yrs ago ..ile-ife is as old as beginning of time we did not break away from no ape or Bantu people that are still roaming around naked 60yrs ago ..Human species develop simultaneously 6000yrs ago the whole Sahara desert was a great savanna forest with thriving civilization I strongly believe ile-ife is the source .
Culture / Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Obalufon: 11:18am On Sep 25, 2018
MayorofLagos:


Becareful with Acholonu materials. Post the civil war a new awareness, an awakening dawned on the Ibo. What they failed to achieve in political warfare they wanted to erect in literary circle and academia. Yoruba art, culture, theater, rituals and pantheon was widely known to scholars. The only point of reference to Igbo was Achebe, Azikiwe and Biafra, nothing more. In culture old researchers documented them as forest people that practiced cannibalism and human rituals. no nobility, no dynasty or throne or kingdom. No known progenitor, no records of war or conquest. Most people around the world had never heard of a people called Ibo or igbo or Biafra. The war put them out there. So what Achebe and later Acholonu did was to start binding discussions on Igbo with Yoruba as reference. If they talk about Ibo arts they would throw in the Benin and Yoruba arts. if they talk about human sacrifice they will say it was common in the South amongst people like Yoruba and Benin. So the pattern grew to where you could not talk on Ibo arts and not mention Yoruba for comparison. They bonded Ibo to Yoruba...to the point that scholars thought whatever greatness Yoruba had, Ibo must have too. if you doubt me type a keyword into google search asking for Yoruba arts and antiquities. I guarantee you something about Igbo will be mentioned. These propaganda was made possible by many people, Acholonu being one of them.

The red cap igbo wear is Igala in origin. The traditional igbo hat is the knitted winter cap. The shift from the knitted to the red cap was brought about by a political necessity. If you review all pictures of Ibo politicians and leaders going back to the 60s and 50s, they wore the knitted. The way you could tell which Ibo is resident in Yorubaland and which is not is to look on their head to see which cap they wear. Azikiwe, Sir Louis Ojukwu, Okigbo, all wore Yoruba caps and Agbada when in native. The igbo mode of dressing was not acceptable in Lagos, you are seeing as an illiterate villager, an Okoro.

Red cap started when Ekwueme became VP. NPN was largely Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri and wore their traditional caps. Igbo could not wear the knitted so the red cap as adopted and popularized by Ekeuwme and Chuba Okadigbo. During Obasanjo regime same thing. People like Soludo made it popular. Now you go to a gathering and every Igbo is wearing red cap...in fact they have taken ownership of it from Igala.

We don't like to talk about igbo too much but when it comes to race of superiority we can bring out facts that will expose everything back to its genesis. grin

You are absolutely right , let them know , Thank you brother,

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