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. . . why should everyone keep engaging Chinenye on this issue every time with his introductory line : Aren't you being overly-inclusive with your use of 'Ndigbo'?

Why can't people simply ignore him?

Abaribe should go to hell!

SNC is the only way to avoid war and outright division.

Another group, the Igbo Youth Movement, criticised the Senate and said the convocation of SNC was inevitable.

President of the group, Mr. Elliot Uko, said the Senate must have been pandering to the sentiments of those “that are sponsoring the present unworkable unitary system.”

“The nation must restructure along the lines of true federalism. Any delay in convening a national conference will only be postponing the evil day. We are not giving up Nigeria. But Nigeria must be restructured on Aburi Accord,” Uko said.

Supported.

emmatok:
Hypocrisy 

See chief tribalists  preaching on NL.

The HATE you @Obiagu1 spread on NL is enough  to split these country .

Hate Which hate do I spread?

Tundeiknow:
Guy if you dey make your cash for 9ja, you no go talk say you hate am. If you don't like what's going on around you, then champion a change starting with yourself and if you can't shut up and observe those who are willing to change this country for the better. When was the last time you prayed for this country. I rep 9ja anywhere, everywhere. GOD BLESS NIGERIA

. . . because you represent everything that's bad with Nigeria.

If you are as patriotic as I am, then you will definitely feel the same way as I do.

obataala:
gbosa!!!.
If his citizenship is causing him or others anguish,and his tone acrimonious as that,he would be sensible to do what others dares not: lead the change by selling his vision & idea to us. You are pathetic. Twas an individual who set himself ablazed that started the Tunisian revolt which later swept The Magreb & whole of Northern Africa, kindred & alikes where inspired by that sacrifice,scores followed and others are still making sacrifices on regular bases. He can replicate that here too and be martyred, atleast those energy will count for something; been inducted into history of Nigerias martyrdom, or is that harsh?,maybe we should ask him his rescue plan to salvaged the country, so what does he think can be done to see the Nigeria of his dream?, if he has not taught of this,then,he cannot be taken serious. Infact his outburst is heinous and should not be condoned. Continuous brooding of challenges facing the country does not initiate proactive measures.it shows lack of will & laziness which incidentally is what has being plaguing us. It is the reason aspirants cannot engage in proper debating before elections to avail us proper assessment of the grasp of the problems and the solutions proffer by the would be leader.

I cannot become a martyr for a  country like Nigeria because it will yield nothing. Believe me, we've had so much martyrs but nothing significant happened.

If you need to know my rescue plan, I don't think it'll change much because there's no one to implement it. Is it GEJ? Who?
If I were to be in charge of Nigeria, in 3 years, such much will change and for good.

Onlytruth:
You are spot on my brother. I feel your pain completely.
Your pain is felt by EVERY progressive minded individual in Nigeria.

Don't mind some people who cannot see the world outside of their immediate comfort zones. Some of us have absolutely no reason to feel sad about how things are in Nigeria, afterall we are FAR withdrawn from most of its impacts. But how can one be happy, when most of his people are sad?

Exactly, despite the fact that we are far withdrawn from its direct impact and are comfortable where we are, yet one cannot insulate himself from the shock waves coming from home. When you look at the problems, the solution stares you straight in your eyes but you have no means to put things in motion to solve it. Leadership in Nigeria is so pathetic!

[quote author=Kay-Dee link=topic=870463.msg10191113#msg10191113 date=1329186991]Yeah, but there's nothing you can do about it. Look at the bright side, there are some positives about being Nigerian. Nigeria is [b]NOT [/b]100% 5H1T   [/quote]I hope to one day start seeing what kept you guys optimistic.

As for me, Nigeria is like a sick person suffering from a known disease that has medication but rather than give him the right medication, he gets a placebo or an adulterated version of the medication or even neglected entirely.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=870463.msg10191108#msg10191108 date=1329186856]Just joking.

Turn that hate into something more passionate. Became an advocacy for Nigerian separation.[/quote]Well, I don't think I'm ready to champion such a course.

I don't know why I sometimes wake up in the morning feeling so bitter being a Nigerian.

Every news that comes out of Nigeria is so frustrating from news of former governors detained for corruption and later acquitted to Boko Haram to reading news of great poverty in the country to . . ., damn no good news.

Nothing gladdens me about Nigeria. So sad

[quote author=Dudu_Negro link=topic=869698.msg10184433#msg10184433 date=1329114273]funkymami. . . or what u call yourself, no NL does not mean that much to me. . . . but the fraternal interaction with friends and brothers and sisters here mean a great deal to me and I missed them.

Eze, Rhino, is that a good answer for her? Keep me in check bro so i dont loose my tongue and get banned.

Yaya Naija mutum? Naji ka na gida![/quote]It's now obvious that some obnoxious posters here have no life.
Thanks Negro_ntn/Dudu_Negro for confirming that.

So I won't be seeing Negro_ntn again or at least for a while.

Great news.

There are tribalists and there are extremists; but you are one heck of an extremist.
More extremists to go. Any suggestion?

The only valid constitution Nigeria has is 1963 constitution; current Nigeria is fraud.
I wonder what will happen went this impending constitutional crisis will erupt.

May your soul rest in peace.

[quote author=Rhino.4dm link=topic=862912.msg10139385#msg10139385 date=1328596165]I have been very civil in this discuss, please take back your insult and answer the simple question. Thanks.

Why not PH, Uyo or Asaba?[/quote]. . . and you've added to your foolishness by not rereading the initial post you replied to.

Obiagu1:
I think I'll open a new thread and ask that the capital territory be relocated to Igboland so that the fear of Igbo occupation of other people's land will end.

[quote author=Rhino.4dm link=topic=862912.msg10139368#msg10139368 date=1328595895]Why not Delta, Akwa Ibom or Rivers? Why Igbo land. . .was the crude pumped out of Igbo land?[/quote]You've  become so foolish you cannot read.

I think I'll open a new thread and ask that the capital territory be relocated to Igboland so that the fear of Igbo occupation of other people's land will end.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=862912.msg10139280#msg10139280 date=1328594630]they equally accuse you, as do other Nigerians, of your "born to occupy" mentality.  In fact your last statement is indicator of that.  If you do not see any issue with occupying and monopolising host territory, why do you feel a sense of injustice at being denied by a people that want to occupy and monopolise rulership?[/quote]This is why the capital territory should be relocated to Igboland. There, it is our land, and no one will ever be afraid of being "occupied and monopolised" by the Igbos because the land will be Igboland. You are all free to come in, occupy and monopolise us.

I really can't get some people, you want to eat your cake and still have it.

Onlytruth:
Nigeria is a country plagued with irrationality and mental problems.  
Imagine.

If we want to tear off Igboland now, they will accuse us of blue murder.
What they want is for Nigeria to remain ONE inside the 18th century, plagued by primordial and atavistic fears, suspicions and hatreds.

One of these days, one thing must happen: either break up that country, or we will defend our houses in all parts of Nigeria.  

What I understand is that Nigeria is not suppose to be one in any way.
If we cannot develop a city to compete with Tokyo, London, New York etc because natives don't want to be "tenants in their land", then I have no business with such country.

On whose land will a city be built We are not talking about entire community's land, just a city.

Damn, one of my posts disappeared

[quote author=Rhino.4dm link=topic=862912.msg10139179#msg10139179 date=1328593240]Do you for once try to know the causes of the constant communal crisis in Jos? Beyond the surface which is galvanized by religious killings, the root cause is the effect of settlers dominating the economic activities in the state while the "landlords" are push to the brink of nothingness. The Hausas and pockets of non-natives control more that 70% of the economic while the local natives are left with little or menial jobs to be battling with.[/quote]Stop using lies to back up your faulty premise.

Why is the fight not against Igbo or Yoruba?

PhysicsQED:
IBB was Gwari, so, feeling magnanimous and noble-minded, and possibly also thinking oil money development would spill or "trickle down" to his Gwari people by proximity, he implemented the Murtala administration's decision to have the capital at Abuja. Otherwise, it could have been a different northern minority group entirely.


In my ideal world, yeah, I would leave Abuja for Gwari people as their own city or village, while that money would have been spent in Delta state, Bayelsa, and other states where the money really came from. If other groups wanted to move into the Gwari city/village of Abuja even without oil money, it would be on the terms of the Gwari.

Well I rest my case

PhysicsQED:
Well what you're saying is that it's good that the Europeans came and took over North America because the final result was eventually good for me (or you), even if all those Native Americans, and Africans suffered there? Because the Europeans had advanced science, right?

A kind of "the ends always justify the means" outlook?

Like I said, it seems like your missing my point. Forget about America for now.

Should we have left Abuja for Gwari people to develop?

PhysicsQED:
And who knows, I might even be a famous artist, court poet, or maybe some sort of minor feudal overseer posted somewhere by the king. . .no reason I necessarily have to tap palm wine. Maybe others would bring palm wine to me and my 30 wives in my large house. . .

PhysicsQED:
Abuja was developed with oil, wasn't it?

I mean, without oil, would anybody be rushing to buy that land?


Why not another minority group's land in the North?

Apparently the Gwari weren't exactly fine with the whole Abuja thing:

books.google.com/books?id=SPBfnT_E1mgC&pg=PA110

books.google.com/books?id=SPBfnT_E1mgC&pg=PA111

^^

Read the second link.

You seem to be missing the point. In your infamous cliché: "being a tenant in your land", where you suggesting that we should have left Abuja for Gwari people to develop?

PhysicsQED:
Well, in the scenario you've made, where Europeans somehow don't colonize America, why would they colonize Africa?

And if they don't colonize Africa, why would migrating to a European run country even be a desire or an issue for me? Why would I even care?

Well you got the drift because probably by now you'll be a skilled broom maker or a famous palm wine taper.

PhysicsQED:
I don't really get your argument here, so perhaps you could make it more explicit.

Are you referring to the Europeans that did the founding and colonizing of North America or the ones that came later, in the late 1800s?

I put up an imaginary scenario where, assuming the Native Americans were not colonized and they had the power to prevent the more Advanced Europeans from buying lands and putting up some development, America will not be there as you know it today.

A closer example is Abuja. Maybe we should have left it for Gwari people to develop.

PhysicsQED:
Obiagu, my statement about being a "tenant in your own land" was being realistic. If you read about the Malaysian Chinese and the efforts (quotas and affirmative action) made by the ethnic Malays to ensure that their country is still felt to be "theirs" while still coexisting with the Chinese Malaysians, you'll understand the scenario I was describing. The "Bumiputera" (meaning "son of the soil" approach is what would naturally follow in a region when a more economically dominant group (like the Chinese) immigrates to that area. I didn't say the "push back" would be preventing non-natives from legitimately acquiring land at all. But quota systems of some sort would naturally arise.

It still does not make sense. If the Europeans that moved to the Americas were prevented from developing America, by now you will still be in Benin-City because nothing will take you to America.

What's important is creating jobs for people that have no jobs and building houses for people that have no roof over their heads to rent. Being a native living in a shanty and no job opportunities in your land and being a native that's renting a house maybe built by a non-native and have a decent job that will enable you train your kids, which one would you prefer?

To those myopic people that keep using the word "being a tenant in your land", I'll tell you your tribalism is an extreme one. Maybe that explains why Yoruba have no tangle property in Abuja and if every ethnic group behaved that way, probably Abuja will remain a village.

How do you expect development to come to a place if non-natives can't acquire land legitimately and develop it? Is it an indication of how a future Odua Republic will look like? Villages everywhere.  

The essence of this thread was to kill the notion that a SE/SS alliance is not workable because Edo (a full member of SS) will join the SW together with other Edoid groups in Delta if it ever get to that stage in Nigeria. That notion was even accepted by some Igbos that some started saying "OK SS minus Edo" which means they've started to believe that unfounded notion.

It's baseless because it is not true that Edo lean more to West than East. I don't think anyone will come here again and say categorically that Edo can never go with the SE.

Like Physics understood it, it's to use culture to achieve a political end.

I think Physics got the whole point of this thread right.

alj harem:
I just watch you and laugh, sometimes I think it is just good to just be watching and things unfold

This will be the greatest gift you'll give to Politics section of NL.

In case you forgot to ignore, first declare your identity, Awori, Kanuri or Igbo, so that people will know the threads to avoid.

Onlytruth:
I feel a need to explain to my Igbo brothers that I have not read anywhere here on this thread where any Igbo is claiming Edo, or trying to imply that we need Edo for anything. It is almost laughable to even make that conclusion.
Some of you need to understand Nigerian political scenario properly, especially to learn how not to cede alliances and territories where you don't need to.
As far as I know, Edo people remain neutral and some of them would lean Eastwards if push comes to shove. I really don't want to talk more on this.

Oba Erediauwa is a leader and so may even have been quoted out of context, but even if he meant what that quote said, isn't the shame on him? Wouldn't intelligent folks in Edo dissociate from him and that quote? My main point is that I have learned enough of Nigeria's history to never cede my ground even in the North, talk less of Southern Nigeria.
Currently in southern Nigeria, the ONLY group I wouldn't want to associate much with is the Yoruba. It is not a mark of weakness, but a mark of strength!
Shaka Zulu said that "a leopard is a strong animal, but if he is offered wings, he would be a fool to refuse."  
Isolationism will not aid us much in Nigeria. We have to learn how not to lose focus on the bigger picture, basically side stepping minor irritations and distractions.

Here I stand!  

Udo dili gi.