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I did not intend to further grant Mrs. Chinenye a reply because I know she likes quarrel, but it seems you are in the same category with her; people that can't comprehend what they wrote.

'Ikem na ikei bu oli', is a sentence in Opobo, meaning me and you are one...Opobo language played a great role in the translation of Igbo bible. Example, in Matthew 5:34a, which reads; "But I tell you, do not swear at all;" was translated thus in Igbo; "ma Mu onwem si unu, Añula iyi ma-oli;". The word 'ma-oli' is an Opobo igbo meaning 'at all'.
'ma-oli' is a component word in central igbo. Though it is hardly use in spoken central-igbo. But it originated from Ndoki, ie; oli = one
Ma-oli = 'not at all' or 'not even one'. The word 'oli' is not found in any other igbo dialect except ndoki precipitate opobo dialect. The only resemblance is found in ohafia/arochukwu area; olu = one. Other igbo dialets will say; otu, ofu, nani, nge, etc all meaning 'one'.

Let me help you translate what you wrote. The word "oli" which means "one" in Opobo is solely an Opobo/Ndoki word hence the word "ma-oli" is an Opobo word that was used in the bible. It does not have origin in other parts of Igboland.

My reply:

ma oli = ma ncha = at all.

Who said "ma-oli" is only spoken in Ndoki/Opobo?

Let me help you here too. Since you suggested that "ma-oli" which means "at all" is an Opobo word because oli = one is Opobo, what about "ma ncha (ncha = all or everything)" that means "at all" as well? My next reply:

Oli (in "ma oli") as a word might mean a different thing.

Oli in ma-oli might mean a different thing and did not necessarily come from oli = one.

Do you get it?


I still have a question you haven't replied yet. Who said "ma-oli" is only spoken in Ndoki/Opobo because I know it is used in other places?

ChinenyeN:
Misunderstandings. Anyway, I'm not here to argue, just explaining further what Kojiek was saying, since it seemed to me that you were misunderstanding his points.

or rather you don't know what "ma oli" means.

ChinenyeN:
Oli and Ncha are not the same thing. Oli actually is the numeral "one", and Ndoki/Ubani actually uses it that way. That is what Kojiek is saying. Ncha is "all".

Does "all" in "at all" have the same meaning as the word "all"?


ma oli = ma ncha = at all.

Oli as a word might mean a different thing.

ma oli = ma ncha = at all.

Who said "ma-oli" is only spoken in Ndoki/Opobo?

Dede1:
I support the idea of SBC (sovereign breakup conference) for Nigeria not the foolish talk about SNC and idiotic federalism. However, I detest the idea of southern republic of Nigeria. My first or last option stays with Republic of Igbo land because I do not want any malnourished nitwit to accuse Ndigbo of scheming to take over his or her land and crude oil beneath it. After all, Japan has no crude oil and leads big in technology. If the Ndigbo can not make it without crude oil, let all of us perish for goodness sake.

Seconded!

Has the shout for a SNC been doused
Where are Southerners: SS, SW, and SE? A people that really don't know what they want. Educated but stu.pid set of people.
No direction, no focus.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=888860.msg10353591#msg10353591 date=1331177667]Credible census in Nigeria is impossible. Too many vested interests.

Only way we'll know the true population of the various pieces of Nigeria is if they are not in the same country[/quote]I wonder if two persons could have the same 10 finger prints.

Nigeria can produce a credible census but we will really spend to achieve that. UN could be observers.
Census is not beyond us.

Omarbah:
But one that limits your options by boxing yourself into different situations. Its like "you are either
with me or against me". It doesn't always work like that.
Nobody that "cares enough" about the future of Nigeria would deny the necessity for change. But a SNC
will not solve those issues. You can go along and organize one but in the future more problems would arise
as it often does in any nation, will you organize another SNC?

So you mean to say that Nigeria is fine as she is now, right?

Before any review of the revenue formula will come into effect, a new serious census will be conducted. If the North are banking on their fake population statistics, they will be shocked.

The ball in now in our court. The opportunity is ours.

@Alh.

Why do you want to kill an interesting thread with your silliness?

As for on-shore/off-shore oil is concerned, states can only lay claim to on-shore resources. Whatever we have off-shore is Nigerians. If you want off-shore for yourself, secede peacefully or fight a war. This is not even a debate.

This is why the North is miles ahead of the South politically. They've already set up committees in readiness for eventual restructuring of the country whereas Southerners will just sleep at night, wake up in the morning and shout SNC with no plans nor direction.  

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=887574.msg10345904#msg10345904 date=1331090129]Hehe. . . funny how oil money changes things. Well, best of luck to them[/quote]No be oil money matter. Their problem is not much different from what we have in Nigeria - unitary government.

Historically, Cyrenaica is one of three regions Libya was divided into. The other two were Tripolitania in the north-west and Fezzan in the south-west. The three states enjoyed federal power following Libya's independence in 1951, until the country became a unitary state in 1963.

afrodiva is a moniker specially tagged "ekpeye" dedicated to Igbo disclamation.
No need wasting your time with an imposter.

I'm happy for the people of Cyrenaica for returning back to federalism.
Next is Nigeria. We will go back to what we were in 1966 with little adjustments.

Civic leaders in eastern Libya have declared semi-autonomy for their oil-rich region at a meeting in Benghazi.
They say the move is necessary as the region, once known as Cyrenaica, has been neglected for decades.
But the move has caused tension with the governing National Transitional Council (NTC) in the capital Tripoli.

NTC head Mustafa Abdel Jalil blamed other Arab countries for stirring trouble in Libya and inciting calls for its partition.
Without naming any nations by name, Mr Jalil said they sought to "avoid the contamination of the flood of the revolution which stretches from the west of the Arab homeland heading to the east". Suleiman Fortia, another NTC member, told the BBC that the authors of the declaration were trying to hijack the revolution and did not fully represent the region.

However, the declaration has significant popular support among people in Benghazi, the BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse in Libya's second city reports. The document has no force in law but is a declaration of intent by the local leaders, our correspondent adds.
'One nation'. Hundreds of people attended the Congress of the People of Cyrenaica, held in a hangar on the outskirts of Benghazi.

The conference announced that it wanted to have its own parliament, police force, courts and capital - in Benghazi. Foreign policy would be left to the federal government in Tripoli, it said. Ahmed al-Zubair, Libya's longest-serving political prisoner under Col Muammar Gaddafi and a member of the NTC, was appointed leader of a governing council. He promised to "protect the rights" of people in the region, but told the gathering: "Libya will not be divided. It is one nation." Another senior tribal figure also downplayed talk of dividing Libya. "Federalism is not division but unity," Fadl-Allah Haroun, commander of a revolutionary militia, told the AP. "We are not talking about changing the flag or national anthem. We are talking about different administration, a parliament and managing the financial affairs."

Historically, Cyrenaica is one of three regions Libya was divided into. The other two were Tripolitania in the north-west and Fezzan in the south-west. Cyrenaica's leaders say the region stretches from the central coastal city of Sirte to the Libyan-Egyptian border in the east - containing two-thirds of the country's oil reserves.

The three states enjoyed federal power following Libya's independence in 1951, until the country became a unitary state in 1963. The people of Cyrenaica, known as Barqa in Arabic, long felt marginalised and neglected under Gaddafi, who focused much of the development on the west. The city of Benghazi was the seat of the uprising that eventually toppled the former dictator.



https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58910000/gif/_58910151_libya_cyrenaica_304.gif


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17271431

I'm happy for the people of Cyrenaica for returning back to federalism.
Next is Nigeria. We will go back to what we were in 1966 with little adjustments.

Civic leaders in eastern Libya have declared semi-autonomy for their oil-rich region at a meeting in Benghazi.
They say the move is necessary as the region, once known as Cyrenaica, has been neglected for decades.
But the move has caused tension with the governing National Transitional Council (NTC) in the capital Tripoli.

NTC head Mustafa Abdel Jalil blamed other Arab countries for stirring trouble in Libya and inciting calls for its partition.
Without naming any nations by name, Mr Jalil said they sought to "avoid the contamination of the flood of the revolution which stretches from the west of the Arab homeland heading to the east". Suleiman Fortia, another NTC member, told the BBC that the authors of the declaration were trying to hijack the revolution and did not fully represent the region.

However, the declaration has significant popular support among people in Benghazi, the BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse in Libya's second city reports. The document has no force in law but is a declaration of intent by the local leaders, our correspondent adds.
'One nation'. Hundreds of people attended the Congress of the People of Cyrenaica, held in a hangar on the outskirts of Benghazi.

The conference announced that it wanted to have its own parliament, police force, courts and capital - in Benghazi. Foreign policy would be left to the federal government in Tripoli, it said. Ahmed al-Zubair, Libya's longest-serving political prisoner under Col Muammar Gaddafi and a member of the NTC, was appointed leader of a governing council. He promised to "protect the rights" of people in the region, but told the gathering: "Libya will not be divided. It is one nation." Another senior tribal figure also downplayed talk of dividing Libya. "Federalism is not division but unity," Fadl-Allah Haroun, commander of a revolutionary militia, told the AP. "We are not talking about changing the flag or national anthem. We are talking about different administration, a parliament and managing the financial affairs."

Historically, Cyrenaica is one of three regions Libya was divided into. The other two were Tripolitania in the north-west and Fezzan in the south-west. Cyrenaica's leaders say the region stretches from the central coastal city of Sirte to the Libyan-Egyptian border in the east - containing two-thirds of the country's oil reserves.

The three states enjoyed federal power following Libya's independence in 1951, until the country became a unitary state in 1963. The people of Cyrenaica, known as Barqa in Arabic, long felt marginalised and neglected under Gaddafi, who focused much of the development on the west. The city of Benghazi was the seat of the uprising that eventually toppled the former dictator.



https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58910000/gif/_58910151_libya_cyrenaica_304.gif


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17271431

Fresh Air!

Very interesting quote. How were they vanquished when Adaka Boro and Nigeria won the war?

There are also those, especially Niger Deltans, who firmly believe that after over forty years, the buffet is over. The oil is no longer war booty. It is now time for the owners of the oil to take control of their resources. All over the world, it is those who own the land on which a natural resource is found that lay claim to it unless, of course, they were vanquished in war and driven out or restricted.

That, surely, is a new, insidious, dangerous and shocking dimension to the rationalisation of the Boko Haram jihads and campaigns of terror in the north. Before now, northern “intellectuals” prattled that since Boko Haram is fighting just like Niger Delta militants did, there should be dialogue with them followed by a declaration of amnesty and initiation of post-amnesty goodies. Whoever explodes bombs and kills Nigerians should be given more of the National Cake!

Nawa oo! A beg, make I go find where I hide my grenade. I think that will be enough to get a share of the national cake. 

Good one. I think this is a first.

Start caring for your people, Nigeria.

Katsumoto:
Slow your roll; neither OAM4J nor Jarus put topics on the front page.

Apologies to OAM4J. I know he has been a great moderator; I was just disappointed.

OAM4J started off good but he is turning out to be the worst moderator on NL.
Very pathetic front page news all the time.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=885107.msg10330494#msg10330494 date=1330923405]In simple word Abiola has never been in any public office, He is just a business man just like Dangote, Otedola, Jimoh Ibrahim are you going to say those are thieves too?[/quote]Ask your brother Fela.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=885107.msg10330466#msg10330466 date=1330922603]and Oju-Iku wans a useless coward[/quote]. . . but he was never a thief. You should be comparing Abiola with Anenih (the thief).

Abiola was greater than Awolowo in every category.