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chino11:
“Ojukwu made me proud because when my father died, even as at that time his health was not that good, he drove down to my remote village in the swamp of the Niger Delta. I almost wept when I saw him and since that time he took me as his younger brother and son.”

Then, GEJ's father could have been a prominent Biafran soldier or politician.

Does Alh. Haram have a job?

BlackPikiN:
^^^^If you understood what Akintola said, you will wonder. I cant just go ahead to explain it word for word now except when am a little bit free.
That's a grade A hate speech.
To Igbos ofcourse.

Nawa oo! But I'm not shocked, I know the mindset of an average Yoruba man; smiling in your face but have a deep rooted hatred at anything you do and could surprise you at any moment.
Could any "ignorant" Igbo friend of Kunle Adegoke be shocked? Yes because to them, he is a gentle man and a friend whereas he has a different opinion. It is in their blood, from Awolowo to Akintola to Adegoke to everyone of them 

The fear of the Igboman. 
I wonder why Igbos are still attacked whenever they say they want out of the republic, yet North and West hate the Igbos.
Nawa oo!

Anyway, the short gain the North and West made after the war is slowly slipping away. To their bewilderment, the Igbos, who they thought they've rendered hopeless and lifeless, is still waxing in every sphere of life.

When corruption and looting is defeated in this country, North and West will come crashing down like they've never experienced before.

Keep the Igbos around in Nigeria at your own peril. Be warned!

BlackPikiN:
11) If u slap a military man:x

LMAO! This is the funniest.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=883858.msg10317629#msg10317629 date=1330725090]ngwanu, lets have the national conversation, but dissolution will be off the table. That is the lazy man's way out.[/quote]Dissolution may be be off the table but there's need for complete restructure of the country. The status quo is not working.

[quote author=Dudu_Negro link=topic=883858.msg10317158#msg10317158 date=1330719872]Katz, Gowon or any of those leaders could not even save their own necks from their mutinous soldiers much more save someone else.  You are intimate with this history and have written extensively about it yourself. . . . which one of Katsina, Murtala, Gowon, Danjuma, Adekunle, Ogundipe did not come close to being shot to death for standing in the way to save a fellow Igbo Army officer from the bullet ?  Igbos see these guys as non-Igbo officers but they on the other hand see the Igbo officers as members in an Army bound with espirit de corps.  The action of Fajuyi is a billboard story and a model for portraying heroism and courage.  If a cenotaph ought to be erected for a soldier, any soldier, in this country. . . . . Adekunle Fajuyi should be that soldeir.  He died for his fellow Army officer. ,  . he died for his Head of State. . . . he was not blinded by ethnicicty. . . . he put family aside and clung to the spirit of nationalism and the espirit de corps that bound all commissioned officers of military service together.  We need millions more Fajuyi.  Banjo fought for their cause. . . . Ojukwu put a bullet in him.  Banjo stood above ethnic differences and fought because he believed in their cause but murdered for it.  Even Effiong that saved many more from slaughter and devastation and surrendered to Obasanjo was labeled a coward by these beasts.  They hate Effiong for surrendering. . . but they love Ojukwu for prolonging suffering and deaths and then escaping.  They want him immortalized.  Igbos are blinded by their ethnic bigotry and asking for cenotaph for Ojukwu and Nzeogwu but not for Fajuyi, not for Effiong.   fvck Biafra and all it stands for!   Untill ndIgbo respect and accomodate others within their own interest. . . I have no respect or wish to sympathise with their woes.  

Beside, Gowon already apologized, though he did not have to.[/quote]Dude, you're talking trash. Was Katsumoto talking about the soldiers killed in the counter coup? I guess not. He was talking about the massacre of innocent civilians without putting any concrete effort to stop it. The North got their revenge by killing Eastern soldiers including the Head of State, but why the civilians in their thousands?

I hope you are not really a deranged fellow.

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=883858.msg10316951#msg10316951 date=1330717669]Ndu, you've been building this One Nigeria for 52 years since independence and 42 since the end of civil war and we've seen how far you can go. Now this is your "how far" - Millions of beggars, millions almajiris with no future, and last but the not the least, Boko haram.

I invite you to check the condition of core north and its prospects back then in 1960 and compare it with whats obtainable today. You might say yeah we have this and that today as gain/profit, but have you really looked at the awful downside? If you actually did then you wont be here castigating others for their future/desire to be away from you.

The fact is - the more core north stays with Nigeria the more they go down, you might not realize it. Your people take free oil money and have become unaccountable to anyone and guess who pays for it? Northern poor masses. Yes our politicians take money too but they know we're as smart as they are so they don't take us for a ride. We go to same school where their kids go to, we try to eat where they eat, so basically we are fishing near their private ponds. Can you say the same in Core North? So my brother you are the one deluding your self with this Oneness mantra.

You better wake up and realize that even though we're in Nigeria with you we're also not in Nigeria with you. You might not realize it because you're fixated in One Nigeria. We know what you mean when you say one Nigeria, we're not fools.

If you have existed as one Nigeria and after 52 years your brothers are now setting schools ablaze, bombing churches, targeting clerics, imposing sharia, cattle rearers chopping off arms and legs, plucking out eyes, Desecrating women as the cattle munches on anything green in farmers farm, Tiv vs Fulani, Berom vs Fulani, Beggars everywhere, Kano exploding, Imo state or Ekiti state having more than or almost the total number of Core northern university admission, poverty skyrocketing, power slipping away from core north, etc. When will you realize you're better off on your own?

If Igbo statistics look as abysmal as that above I will spit on the grave of my forefathers and move to Somalia after all whats the difference - I wont be here holding on to failure.

The reason ND, SS, Ijaw, Oduaa, Igbo, and MB people have at one time or the other threatened to want out of Nigeria is because they feel they can do better than Nigeria - what about you? The reason you're depicting me as throwing "effeminate emotions" is because you've run out of ideas hence the insult. I wont go down that road with you because I'm not a fool.

The issue is people's right to self determination, if it hurts you then change your hegemonic ways maybe then we can talk about unity. As Igbo, I don't ask for pity, I tell you what my right is and if you think you can keep it forever then be ready for confrontation down the road. You can use cheap blackmail, we saw it during the war but you can now see the war is very much alive as more and more groups are becoming assertive and demanding while you and your brothers are still basking in the euphoric hang-over of you war "victory."

Wake up buddy![/quote]Word!

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=883858.msg10313184#msg10313184 date=1330683815]@Obiagu1, stop acting as if you are a dummy who cannot read. My position is as clear as a whistle, "killing of a single Nigerian citizen is morally reprehensible, whether during a war or in peace" I know you were expecting a bigoted response from me and I am sorry to disappoint you.

P.S. There will always be unintended consequences when wayward soldiers carryout coups that are not well thought out and kill leaders from particular regions while sparing those from theirs.[/quote]Unfortunately you did not answer the question posed to you; don't f.o.o.l yourself with your irrelevant equation.

Katsumoto:
Ndigbo and other Easterners paid the price in blood for the actions of a few. Rather it is former Nigerian leaders such as Gowon who owe Ndigbo an apology for their inability to protect INNOCENT civilians during the pogroms before the war. Lets be fair here.

I am not pro or against Nigeria (my interest is very minimal) but all options should be discussed.

I never knew I'd read this from you. Kudos though.

The last Yoruba man standing.
Sad but true.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=883858.msg10311400#msg10311400 date=1330658862]I'm going to cut through the chase and answer the above question before addressing the other presumptions or presuppositions contained in your post. I'm afraid however, that you will not get an exotic answer from me, for I am a pacifist who does not believe that a single Nigerian needs to die to keep Nigeria one, two, three or six for that matter. My solution (answer) to your question (problem) is therefore the trivial solution.  Let me simplify this mathematically: the equation x + 13y = 0 has the trivial solution x = 0, y = 0. Nontrivial solutions exist however.  Shey you get my point?[/quote]. . . and you think you just answered the question

The British should keep at least 50% of the loot. This will be an incentive for them to hunt down more of those Nigerian politicians/criminals.

This sums Nigeria up; a complete useless country/crimeland. I spit on you.

Britain is doing our job for us. I think it's time to hand the country back to Britain.

Igbos have no regards for Zik for enslaving us neither do have any regard for Ironsi for being a goon, yet the Niger Deltans have the statue of Adaka Boro standing over them where they go and salute him saying "Thank you for enslaving us".

ephomoghia:
I know Annkio Briggs will be speaking for the Niger Delta people and will never call on the igbos to goin us because we the Niger Deltans know that the  Igbos are worse and they can not be trusted their so called Biafra was because of the same oil, our leaders found that out and that was why they withdrew their support for Ojukwu.

So the caption of this topic is different from the message from the Annkio know that all Man to himself - Igbos dont be afraid to stand alone or cant u survive without the Niger Deltans? is like no Nigerian will but yet you all refuse to accept the fact rather you all boast emptily

Your input is needed in this thread not on this one you just posted.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-881188.0.html

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Thanks to Adaka Boro, job well done.
Your wish is our command, One Nigeria.

One Nigeria.

Good. Lets not give someone power he does not have.

^^^

There's nothing about that only that you based your argument on a false premise. Thephilus Danjuma is a Northern minority and Muritala Mohammed was from Edo State. So I maintain that there was no extraordinary planning and consideration made by the coupists to carry Northern minorities along. What they knew then was North and only North.

^^^

Sorry about that. I meant to say "was that the highest position in the Army held by a Northerner?"

I've never been against One East but the idea that one has to give up power to keep them happy is completely unacceptable to me. It's even annoying. You have yet to give me a valid occasion where such happened and as I stated, there was no precedent for Biafran leadership to base their planning on and there was no leadership problem in the East.

As for Northern minorities ruling more than Hausa/Fulani, they got there as a result of their courage and risk to their lives. Name one Northern minority that was democratically elected to lead the North or Nigeria?

[quote author=alex_101 link=topic=877893.msg10280225#msg10280225 date=1330296865]I fervently believe that Biafra lost the war because it lacked the most neded international support from a powerful foreign ally,,,,FACT!

That aside, I don't think we should disregard the reasonable ones among our non-Igbo neighbors,,,,the likes of Asari, Aniko Briggs. Like somebody rightly said, the Clarks are getting old and would pass on soon. I believe the current generation of these minorities are seeing what nigeria has turned out to be and how they're being exploited, so I will not "toss" them out. However, the KEY THEME going forward should be CAUTION on our path.

So going forward, we must carry out wide consultation with all of them with "clear and open" terms that is acceptable to ALL. We must make them understand

what is at stake and never stop engaging them, because quite frankly, if we (Igbo) do not engage them, our enemies will take advantage. I also agree with Onlytruth when he said MASSOB is not being strategic. The future in these non-Igbo areas of the east belongs to the Asari's and other smart folks from there and even to the Beafs of the midwest .

Then again, I have to reiterate the KEY word here : CAUTION as we go forward.[/quote]I will not toss anyone out but like EzeUche said, probably take a trip to Bayelsa and Rivers and ascertain the feeling and general opinion there.

I will always treat such statements from Annkio Briggs and Asari with utmost caution. No one is going to use us as a step to achieve their own ends. Was it secession of the East or the secession of Niger Delta she was talking about?

As for MASSOB not being strategic, what else should they do? Force the non-Igbos to join MASSOB (Gods knows how many advances MASSOB have made towards a united front) or dissolve MASSOB and join MEND as OnlyTruth will like us believe?

Onlytruth:
Obiagu1 my brother, I would share a private joke (with the whole world now I guess). I once asked my father why he never married a second wife, why he remain monogamous.
He laughed and simply said; "Take a good look at your mother, do you think any man in his right sense would have TWO of her type?".   The man won't live to tell the story.

On this issue, do you REALLY think that any group could subjugate the Igbo in Eastern Nigeria? Is that really how you see Ndigbo? I'm laughing seriously!  
So, that issue is completely irrelevant. The worst that can happen is that everybody become EQUAL in Biafra, which BTW was Biafra's goal as declared in Ahiara Declaration.  

You keep talking about relinquishing power, why is that? Why is it the only condition for success when the problem involved everyone in the East? I reject such East when we are not allowed to rule. You mentioned Rawlings of Ghana, when did he relinquish power when he was already a leader? I didn't know about that. Probably you should add Obasanjo and Abdulsalami Abubakar as people that relinquished power too "after an election". 

Don't say we can't be subjugated because we are, already, in Nigeria.

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I will also add that if the only workable condition for a United East is when my people are subjugated, then I will not buy that idea of unity. Everyone has to be fair and we have shown that we, the Igbos, are fair in all our dealings with our neighbours.

Who led the coup is open for debate. Some said Theophilus Danjuma, some said Muritala Mohammed. Who actually led the coup? All I know was that Yakubu Gowon, a Northerner, was already the Army Chief. Was that the highest position in the Army held by a Northerner? Yes. So they did not pick him from nowhere and my mind tells me he pulled the strings from the top. Theophilus Danjuma and Muritala Mohammed were mere foot soldiers.

When it comes to stepping down, I don't know if anyone had ever done that. Ojukwu was already the leader and there was no debate about who should lead. You said you would have stepped down but there was no reason for that except you feel you are not competent or qualified to lead and I believe you wouldn't have stepped down either. There was no precedent to base your judgement on.

How was the minorities not carried along? Was the 2IC not a minority? Probably because he was not an Ijaw man. Every decision taken before the war involved everyone. You can't dispute that.

Why did we lose that war? Maybe you should look into the crash of a plane in Cameroon that was carrying arms to Biafra before the war started.

Next is Ota farm.

ayinde20122012:
I am a guy from Oyo state in Nigeria, I was born into a muslim family with a muslim surname, at some point in my life I became a Christian. I still have my muslim family name though but I do not feel comfortable being a Christian and having a muslim identity (muslim surname) . I am thinking about changing my surname to something else legally, I have thought about a few yoruba names that Glorifies God that I can change to, I know alot of Christians that bear muslim names and they dont care but I do and I believe we should be able to change what we dont like about our lives, I just want people's opinion about this. Does it sound right to do something like this? One of my greatest concern is that I know I will be getting married in about a year of two from now and it means on my wedding day I will have a different last name from my other family members, people kindly drop your opinion.

Thanks for reading but pls take note:
1. I dont have anything against muslims, I respect them and their faith and I believe I deserve same from them
2. I believe everyone cant have same opinion on issues, so I expect some harsh comments but dont waste your time (not interested)

You can always change your surname and the earlier you do it the better before you get married and start having kids.
My advise is that you pick one of your father's names that is not a Muslim name as your new surname.

One of my friends, a male, changed his surname just after graduating from the University so his certificate bears a different surname from the one he is using now and he has no problem with it.

PS: Remember you need a sworn affidavit and a publication in a national newspaper for it to be legal.