₦airaland Forum

ameri9ja:
Misleading statistic.
Here are population of the states:

Kano State9,383,6822
Lagos State9,013,5343
Kaduna State6,066,5624
Katsina State5,792,5785
Oyo State5,591,5896
Rivers State5,185,4007
Bauchi State4,676,4658
Jigawa State4,348,6499
Benue State4,219,24410
Anambra State4,182,03211
Borno State4,151,19312
Delta State4,098,39113
Niger State3,950,24914
Imo State3,934,89915
Akwa Ibom State3,920,20816
Ogun State3,728,09817Sokoto State3,696,99918Ondo State3,441,02419Osun State3,423,53520Kogi State3,278,48721Zamfara State3,259,84622Enugu State3,257,29823Kebbi State3,238,62824Edo State3,218,33225Plateau State3,178,71226Adamawa State3,168,10127Cross River State2,888,96628Abia State2,833,99929Ekiti State2,384,21230Kwara State2,371,08931Gombe State2,353,87932Yobe State2,321,59133Taraba State2,300,73634Ebonyi State2,173,50135Nasarawa State1,863,27536Bayelsa State1,703,358–Federal Capital Territory1,405,201

How is it misleading? Because Osun with a lesser population consistently outperformed your Anambra and Imo states? You igbos and your bad-belle and hypocrisy diseases. Smh.

The mumu is scared of being deposed over his tomfoolery. I say the kingmakers should still depose his sorry a$$.

This oluwo just can't help acting stvpid and foolish. He deserves to be deposed for this crap. Smh.

At this rate, India will soon start profiling Nigerians entering the country as potential drug mules.

[quote author= post=66245154]List the flyovers and their locations[/quote]Well, since you insist, maybe I'll reconsider if you'll pay me a million naira. After all, you're on the job and getting paid for this shyt, while I'm not. I think that's only fair.

Bane2020:
All this irrelevant gibberish, list the so called flyovers as he asked or STFU! damn Nigerians and mental slowness.

Go and drink Dettol, bietch.

[quote author= post=66244553]List the fifteen flyovers in Ogun[/quote]Nah. I won't. Coz you're nothing but a troll and a stoopid irritant. After listing it, you will then ask for pictures, and after seeing pictures, you will tell us it was built with igbo money (or some other crackpot type shyt), and then you'll start flooding this thread with those recycled and tired pictures of those Lekki-Ikoyi bridge knockoffs. Like seriously dude, some of us ain't got time for all that crap. I understand that this your Anambra propaganda m.o is actually what you get paid to do, as in it's the way you earn your daily bread. I ain't mad at that though coz 'man must wack' (right?), but you also gotta understand though that not all of us are getting paid to do this shyt over, and over, and over. So yeah, I won't list them, and you can go to hell for all I care.

Omofunaab2:
LMAO, Iwo Wayray omo yeboe yi. ...i don't have time to be going back and forth with you tonight

I think the guy is slow, as in 'down syndrome' kinda slow, because I recall having listed at least 13 flyovers and their locations in Ogun to him on at least 2 occasions. But he keeps repeating the same question over and over like a numbskull.

Cooly100:
No be the same jealousy way make Awolowo plan the exterminate the next generation of Igbos...so that Yorubas can take over their palaces in the civil service...Like taken the VC of UNILAG, UI and rector of Yaba tech?

The envy of the afonjas no start today.

Envy? Jealousy? Of what exactly please? What is there to envy about Igbos or Igbo land? What do you folks have that we don't have more of in abundance to warrant us being 'jealous' of you low lifes? You must be high dude. Y'all wanderers are the ones behaving like refugees and fleeing your shythole to the safety of Yoruba land, and not the other way round. Nigga you must be crazy, sitting there talking about others being envious of you. What is there to be jealous about? Delusional prick.

horsepower101:
There is no recognized region in the Nigerian constitution which also guarantees every NIGERIAN the right to live be work anywhere they choose to...

This is what one Nigeria is.

Until you guys get oduduwa republic, there is absolutely nothing that you can do about it except complain everyday on the internet.

Stfu you fvcking hypocrite. Oh, so when you hype your shythole region while deriding others you forget that 'there are no recognized region' abi? Your Akpu logic stinks like that Akpu y'all be slurping over in that erosion ravaged enclave of yours. You dey crase.

Calm down people. No cause for alarm coz the development of India is on course.

plessis:
I will continue to say this, the Yorubas are responsible for this.

You must be high, dude. Abi since when did Yoruba people start going on a rampage and machetting people? Look here, this silly attempt at blackmail by you ipigs won't fly. Small time you will tell us our votes were insignificant in electing Buhari, yet when it suits you, you turn around and credit us for electing him. All of una dey crase.

omowolewa:
Dem get PVC?

That is the koko o. Anything less would reduce them to a mere social club.

Igboid:
How exactly were Zik achievement in the Eastern region, abysmal, in comparison to those of Awolowo.

Available stats had it that The Eastern region in the 60s under Zik, we're leading in most facets of development, throughout the whole country.

Yinmu. How many of Zik's legacies are still standing today compared to Awolowo? How many firsts were recorded under his leadership compared to Awolowo?

To mention but a few of Awolowo's legacies and the SW's firsts under his administrative guidance and supervision and acknowledged by both Yoruba's and non-Yorubas alike, the Cocoa House (up till this very day, no single edifice in the entire SE and SS can match it in height and stature), the industrial estates/clusters at Ikeja, Ibadan, Yaba, the establishment of the first TV station in subsaharan Africa (Western Nigeria Television is still existing today as NTA Ibadan), first housing estate in Nigeria (Bodija housing estate at Ibadan), establishment of the Western Nigeria Development Corporation (today known as Oodua Investment Group of companies), WEMA bank (the longest surviving indigenous bank in Nigeria, while Zik's African Continental Bank is long long dead, buried, and forgotten), also his Tribune Newspaper is still in existence today as the longest surving indigenous Nigerian newspaper, long after Zik's West African pilot has been long dead and forgotten.

You see the difference between both leaders? This difference also extends to both regions and peoples as well. In Yoruba land, we value legacies and rather than destroy the old to accommodate the new, we preserve the old as pointers to our illustrious history as a people while establishing new legacies. E.g, Eko Atlantic,
a brand new modern African city (another first) is rising out of the sea thanks to the same kind of vision that saw to the establishment of the most enduring and productive industrial cluster in Nigeria located at Ikeja.

Again I repeat that there's absolutely no way Zik could have achieved close to these as Western premiere going by his less than stellar performance in his own backyard
#Fact.

Throwback:
If Zik had won, they would have told us that they were the ones that brought development to Yorubaland.

They would have told us we were so lazy that an Igboman had to be pleaded with to run our region for us.

The arrogant would have said we were so stupid and weak, and could not suppress the dominating spirit of the Igbos, as such we did not have a choice than to surrender to Igbo superiority.

They would have rewritten history and told us that no Yoruba was educated enough to be a good political administrator.

What I love most yet find absurd, is that it pains them and Azikiwe dearly as though their own region was so useless they had to make a good impression elsewhere.

Yes o. A Zik premiership in the Western region at the time would have gone down as the greatest political defeat on SW Yoruba soil for many generations. The shame for too much abeg, coz dem for no allow us hear word again o . And if our people had defended their allowance of such development as a testament of their tolerance and sophistication as a race, no, they wouldn't have none of that and would instantly retort that we just simply lacked competent leaders that could have assumed the position. They would tell us to our faces that we are just weak like that, and needed an igbo 'savior/redeemer', in the person of Azikiwe, to come straighten us out and help us attain 'development'. You know what is funny is that once upon a time, before I became more conscious, I actually once entertained the possibility of an Igbo governor in Lagos, but omo, knowing what I now know about these folks and their inbred hatred toward us, i now consider such a prospect/development as a calamity of inexplicable proportions for the Yoruba race -- all they would need is a 4-year tenure to nepotistically displace every other group in the state. Mind you, that is a state they luv to hate, yet cant stay away from. There's just no pleasing them, unless of course we allow them to overrun our lives and region unencumbered coz they 'merit' and are entitled to it. I guess I am just not that sophisticated anymore. The country should just split so that everybody will go and bear their father's name for the sake of peace. Enough of the oju aiye abeg.

Throwback:
Awolowo nor any Yoruba politician do not owe any Igboman explanations for their political campaign among their own people.

Azikiwe himself campaigned in the East after he finally found his village. He did not go there to campaign as a Yoruba man, same way Awolowo is expected to campaign as A Yoruba man to his own people, just as Ahmadu Bello campaigned to his own Northerners too.

Just admit that Azikiwe was fighting a lost cause, and only had the hope that his Yoruba party members would also win their own seats in Parliament to score a majority.
If it were a presidential system, I assure you that Azikiwe would only score as much votes as Awolowo would have scored in the North, and Ahmadu Bello would have scored in the East.

What is tribalism is you ethicizing federal jobs and appointment. And recruiting into federal establishments with the aim to flood it with Igbos. You enjoyed it while it lasted.

While it lasted!

Dont mind those hypocrites. That Zik loss is still paining them till today, probably as much as (if not worse than) Soyinka's Nobel laureate win against their Achebe preference. See, I am always thankful that Zik's longthroat ambition to become Western premiere was stopped in its tracks (they can continue sulking about that failure till kingdom come, na dem sabi). Else we probably wouldn't have recorded the many firsts that hallmarked Awolowo/Action Group's administrative era, like first the first T.V station in subsaharan Africa, first tallest building/skyscraper, the establishment industrial areas, etc, that are still very much around till today.

I doubt that Zik could have achieved anything close to that considering the abysmal and unimpressive legacy he left behind as premiere of the Eastern region - you can't give what you don't have. And also, thanks to that failure on his part, we have been spared what would've been another reason for them to thump their chests in our faces. They would have undoubtedly invented the narrative that it was Zik that 'developed' Ibadan and by extension the rest of the SW; a feat he failed to register in his own backyard throughout his lifetime. Little wonder they honour the likes of Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu above him even up till today, yet they expected us to gift the highest leadership position in our region to such a character?

Ah! Philippines?? Duterte's country? I hope they don't get killed extra-judicially coz Duterte is a sadist.

Dayum!! This one na confam horror film.

OjukwuWarBird:
Open a seaport in the East especially Ibaka seaport at Akwa Ibom and watch the region generate more revenue than the rest of Nigeria.

When will you people ever stop regurgitating this tired and stvpid crap about lack of seaport in the 'East' (which today represents both the SS and SE)? Why must you wait for another port to be opened in Akwa Ibom when the region already has 4 functioning seaports there in your backyard (2 in Rivers, 1 in Delta, and 1 in Cross River) before showing the 'stuff' the igbo are made of? What are your igbo entrepreneurs waiting for that they refuse to make their 'statement' via the seaports already on ground in the East, that they have to wait for yet another one before showing their 'entrepreneurial magic'?? Lagos doesn't even get a dime from the seaports in its domain (all the revenues from the ports go straight to the FG), yet you people would make it seem as though there's no single seaport in your so-called 'East'. When will you igbos quit making excuses for your collective failures as a people? Now you are hinging your region's IGR improvement on Ibaka seaport? What happened to all the 2x2 traders that liter Aba (your 'japan of Africa'), and Onitsha ('land of trillionaires')?? Oh, you are waiting for Akwa Ibom to help you build your IGR huh? Na so.

Yoshy:
My simple opinion:

With this outrageous anti people law newly enacted in Lagos State, people are going to move and move for good this time.

Already in the East for instance there are massive development of real estates going on. If Akwa Ibom seaport and other recent infrastructure projects are finished, Lagos will have a lot to loose for good. Already, smart business men are seeing Akwa Ibom as the future.

Ambode and co should be aware of the damage they are about to do to Lagos State. Between, I think it's time Lagosians give another party a chance.

You people and your empty threats. Why not kukuma move already and allow the same Lagos y'all love to hate 'fail'? See this as a perfect opportunity. Enough of the threats abeg. The state needs decongesting anyway. Walk the talk, or stfu.

Herdsmen:
This matter pain this one die....hahahahahah

The pain enter bone..

Delusional grandeur... So appropriate for Southwest..
Hate truth and love dreaming..

Argue with the op..

Na flattie you dey shout upandan

Broom soup eating oily humans...

Truth hurt em more than anything.. tell average ewedu broom eating human truth .. you turn instant enemy.

Afons make una counter the op...
Abi una no dey sophisticated again?

Morafocka will you quit spamming my mention?? The only valid fact here is that Buhari is your president today with the support of the SW, while the GEJ your region tried to rig in is back in Otuoke. No need for any long epistle and no amount of spin can change that. See how useless your SE vote is after all? Now stay the fvck off my mention.

Firstpage:
LOL. I'm waiting for your 'analysis' on SE election pattern too.

This one now gave analysis in his own foolishness. He doesn't even consider reasons for the low turn out. He then claimed the PDP votes in south west in given by igbos. Later the same fool would tell you igbos don't reside in sw except Lagos.

Dumb mofo.

Na so. Classic Akpu Logic on display. They like feeling important with themselves. Real delusion of grandeur.

Hofbrauhaus:
I thought you guys wanted to register a political party? Smh smh smh

Wtf are you talking about dude?? You people are just a pained bunch of whinny lil' bittches coz your votes are taken for granted while the SW (and MB) are reputed as election deciders due to their unpredictable and 'swing' voter tendencies. That right there is the real cause/source of this bitterness and bile. Nobody gives a flipping fvck about SE votes coz we already know who y'all will be voting for 2-yrs ahead of elections and your votes would have already been checkmated by those from the NW and NE. Keep whining jare.

Na wah. All this epistle just because una votes (upon all una massive rigging that occurred in the SE for PDP) was inadequate to return GEJ in 2015. Gosh, when will you people finally move on? Even Jonathan's people have moved on tey tey. Smh.

Buhari is the architect of his own predicament with the NA.

nwoke37:
How much does Lagos generate?

According to the last released EconomicConfidential and NBS data:

https://s14.postimg.org/917dehb7l/Lagos_IGR.png

https://s8.postimg.org/4ar0afnbp/igr_index.jpg

@omohayek: I think you will find the following article by Joe Abah, the immediate former Director-General, Bureau of Public Service Reforms (BPSR), very insightful.

Why Most States Cannot Pay Workers Salaries

Dr Joe Abah (a.k.a Eze Mmuo) - February 10, 2018
This morning, I want to talk about why I think some states don’t pay salaries. As always, my intention is to explain, not to justify. It is immoral and wrong not to pay ANYBODY that has done agreed work, both in public and private life: civil servants or domestic staff.

Thread…

Many states are public service states. In some, the main economic activities in the state revolves around the public service. The only good jobs available are public service jobs. Public servants are the elite. Everybody’s ambition is to join the public service. It’s prestigious.

The public servants are, if you like, the representatives of those in the rural areas. They are the educated elite who tell others what to do, even what to think.

The salary of each public servant supports 30 dependents. They know how to write petitions. You don’t mess with them.

Because each salary supports 30 people, having high salary costs as a percentage of the budget is not seen by the people as a big deal in the states. It is seen as a means of direct distribution.

So, a governor MUST recruit...and pay...and do infrastructure. Borrow, if necessary!

In some cases, personnel costs consume as much as 90% of state resources, even though the public service of that state is much less than 5% of the population.

If you sack people, you’ll lose elections. It’s that simple. You may be forgiven if you sack AND REPLACE, like el Rufai.

So, you have less than 10% of resources available to spend on infrastructure, healthcare, education, security, youth, etc.

As a governor, you know that if you don’t build roads, you’ll lose elections. If you don’t build gigantic structures in bricks and mortar, you lose elections

Now, assume that you defeated the incumbent governor to become governor. A month before he hands over, he will recruit an additional 10,000 people and dump them on you. They’ll report for work IMMEDIATELY!

When you are sworn in, to sack them is a problem. To pay them is war.

At a point, Ekiti State which has about the smallest allocation from the Federation Account had the largest civil service in the country: 60,000 people.

Even the Federal Civil Service is only 82,000 ...and some people say it is bloated. You take over as a governor, in shock!

Now, the public service in the states are TOTALLY politicised. EVERYBODY ACTIVELY belongs to the ruling party. The main preoccupation of the civil service is party politics. Any contestations are within the same party.

The only exception I’ve seen is Ekiti: about 50% APC; 50% PDP

Remember I said if you don’t do roads and build white elephant projects, you’ll lose.

The same civil servants will tell the whole world that you are not doing anything, so you are not sure of their loyalty.

There is no money. People that invested in your election are waiting…

So, to get anything done, you have no choice than to borrow.

If you ask your Ministry of Works or Education to give you a quote for re-roofing a school, they’ll quote N50 million. You know you can do it for N5 million. You ignore the Ministries and do it yourself directly.

Because each successive governor has ignored them, they haven’t done any work in years and years. Any capacity they came to the Service with is now COMPLETELY lost. Indeed, you’ll need some convincing that some even have degrees. Many have fake degrees but that’s for another day.

So now, as a governor, you are asking yourself why you should be spending 90% of State resources on this “useless, unproductive” 2%.

You find it totally maddening. You can’t raise taxes either. You can’t make enough money to be politically independent of your political sponsors.

Because capacity is so low and the cost of going through the public service is so high, you bring in your own staff and just award contracts from government house. You decide to throw a big party for your wife. The civil service prepares its dossier for EFCC when the time comes.

The choices before you are stark:

1. Do the right thing, sack some and risk your political future
2. Continue to pay them, do no projects and lose re-election
3. Borrow massively to do projects and leave the Federal allocation to them
4. Raise IGR, annoy market traders and lose.

Many governors will choose Option 3 and borrow massively.

The problem comes when you’ve borrowed so much that you can no longer service the debt. You can’t afford to default on your loans. FGN guarantees international ones and will deduct at source. Local debtors don’t give time.

All of a sudden, you realise you can’t pay salaries. You promise them you’ll pay. Don’t forget that 30 people depend on EACH salary. The heat is so much that you start looking to borrow more. If you get “bail out funds”, you either want to do projects or pay other debts.

Since the public service has captured 90%, if you don’t do projects, you don’t make any money for yourself in kickbacks. So you build schools nobody needs, a state university or even an airport with the bailout funds. You continue to owe, and that’s how the cookie crumbles. End!

SOURCES
https://twitter.com/DrJoeAbah/status/962235146933071872

omohayek:
Ogun state's wage bill is utterly ridiculous, but I guess one can't expect any better when government is seen just as a source of patronage and "free" stuff. If Amosun or a successor were to dare try to trim the number of public employees, the same people who resist paying taxes would be up in arms screaming about
"their sons/daughters" being "marginalized"; if, on the other hand, he tried Aregbesola's technique of nominally keeping them all on while paying only half their salaries or less, they would call him a "do nothing governor", even if he was using the money saved to build them roads, schools, etc. The final alternative, which Amosun is currently attempting, is to abandon most of his infrastructural projects and content himself with merely paying salaries, but as we can see from the endless complaining, the same tax-resistant population is now complaining about Amosun "marginalizing" everywhere in Ogun state outside Abeokuta and Sagamu. There is just no winning with these people!


I think people will gradually start to come around once they see Lagos pull even further ahead, especially if a successor to Amosun proves willing to seriously tackle the state's wage bill, so that all that extra IGR can be felt in meaningful development rather being used to pay salaries to mostly useless "workers". As cruel as it sounds, what would really help matters is if the FG were to stop bailing out the states every few months, and instead allowed them to go bankrupt if need be; only then would governors have to make the hard decisions about raising taxes and slashing the public workforce so that taxpayers money is deployed with maximum effectiveness. The thing is that it's just too tempting for the FG to try to buy votes before elections by spreading bailout funds around, making the "government as awoof" problem even worse by suggesting there are never any consequences to constantly spending more than you earn.

I'm with you on the Ogun wage bill. It is RIDICULOUS and indeed a time-bomb that unfortunately will be inherited by his successor(s). I think he had a chance to do something about it but allowed himself to cowed and blackmailed by the Labour Unions from doing the needful. But he has only postponed the inevitable coz that wage bill will have to come down if the state must move forward. Aregbesola had to sacrifice his image to do just that (he's perhaps the most vilified governor by Labour in Nigeria's history as a result, they even christened him 'Aregbese' ), but today his state's monthly wage bill remains perhaps the lowest in the entire federation -- N1.7-billion monthly. It makes no sense to be spending more than 80% of a state's resources/income on the salaries of civil servants that constitute less than 10% of the state's population. Utterly ridiculous. Common sense dictates that when your revenues dip (in this case oil money federal allocation), you restructure and explore other sources of revenue (IGR) and taxes. But if folks refuse to pay taxes while the IGR also isn't forthcoming, you don't borrow to keep paying salaries. Rather you lay off some people till your finances improve.

omohayek:
You are 110% correct: decades of oil money have bred an entitlement mentality in Nigerians, causing them to see "government" only as some kind of Father Christmas showering "free" goodies from the center. I wonder how the many Nigerians who think they're "overtaxed" would react if they were to move to a typical European country, where paying 50% of your earnings as income-tax and "national insurance" is something even middle-class people have to deal with - and then there's also council tax, vehicle tax and 20% VAT deal with on top of all that ...

While I'm sure that there's plenty of fat waiting to be cut from LASG spending once transparency is forced on them, in the end the tax net is still going to have to extend much further out to touch the majority of Lagosians, if the state government is ever to be in a position to properly provide the sorts of services people are expecting: a situation in which just 700,000 people are paying for services to more than 20 million people is simply untenable. I'm sure it will help the medicine to go down if people can easily see exactly where their money is going, but even so I don't expect the majority who pay nothing to easily agree to doing their part, even though the superior services and infrastructure of the state is the reason so many of them came to Lagos in the first place: "awoof" mentality dies hard once it has taken hold.

Spot on. Some of them that I'm sure probably don't even pay much (if any) taxes are already advising disgruntled 'overtaxed' Lagosians to relocate to Ogun and Oyo in order to escape 'excessive' Lagos taxes. lol. The thing is, Ogun state is also already feeling the heat coz just last night I was watching Amosun on tv, lamenting about having run out of funds needed to complete the many road projects begging for attention all across Ogun state. The guy was literally begging the residents of the state to please pay their taxes. Now, this is the same Ogun that many believe has 'arrived' due to the relatively impressive IGR numbers it's been posting in the last few years. Obviously the state's IGR currently falls far short of meeting its financial obligations; with an insane N9-billion naira monthly wage bill (which is N3-billion more than Lagos'), a $7-billion monthly IGR, and a FG that has refused to reimburse the state for the over N200-billion it has acknowledged owing it in refunds for fixing the federal roads that traverse the state, now please tell me how the state will not resort to heavy borrowing to meet its financial obligation. Something just has to give. They want to leave Lagos for Ogun so that they can escape/avoid paying taxes, yet they expect Ogun to progress and develop?? Like seriously?

As for Oyo, I recall Ajimobi once stating that he's scared to adopt the Lagos model of taxation coz of the backlash he might face from his folks, though he admitted that it's the surest way of sourcing much needed funds for infrastructural development.

Honestly, I don't think our folks are ready to develop just yet. Lagos needs to generate no less than $10-billion annually if it's really serious about developing, which is still far lower than the annual budget of far less-populated Western countries. This is just about one-third of what Nigeria as a whole generates from Oil revenues in a good year. We are not serious in this country.