Putindbutt: Who bears more English name between ijaws and ibos?, who dresses more like the English?, who had more encounter with them that influenced their fashion, names and lifestyle?, dey play.
Igbos of Bonny had more interaction with Europeans than most Ijaws. That's why Igbos of Bonny were very much influenced by European fashion than Igbos in the hinterland.
What matters is the language spoken by Bonny people, and more importantly, who Bonny people say they are. Bonny people clearly told Dr. Baikie that they were of Igbo descent. Full stop.
Putindbutt: Lol, what brings hausa into this irrevant analogy?. can an hausa man mispronounce the name of his land?, if hausa mispronounced Enugu, it is understandable because he is a stranger to the land likewise ibos are strangers to Bonny and why they mispronounced it as Obane.
What brought Kalabari to the Bonny topic? Are Kalabari people the original settlers in Bonny? Why then did you bring the Kalabari angle to a topic that had to do with Bonny people and their ancestry.
By the way, UBANI means Richness of Land, but IBANI does not mean anything in any Ijoid language, which points to the fact that IBANI is just how some Ijoid people pronounce UBANI
Putindbutt: Ijaw slaves?, lol, who captured them?, ibos?. So ibo kings bought an ibo boy as a slave and named him jaja an ijaw name?, ibo are the kings and they called themselves the ruiling houses of Pepple and Manilla?, lol. Ibo are the kings in bonny and they are proud being a dynasty of Perekule?, Lol. this is the reality on ground. when you're done deceiving yourselves, una go dey alright.
Both Pepple and Manilla are not Ijaw words. Okpara Ndoli who was one of the first two kings of Bonny clearly bore Igbo name.
According to both Captain Crow and Dr. Baikie, Pepple is a corruption of the word Pepper, which an ancient king of Bonny traded with Europeans. It is not an Ijaw word. This is yet another Ijaw attempt to corner English words as Ijaw words. So you have graduated from landgrabbing to wordgrabbing.
Putindbutt: Ohaneze is literally begging ikwerre to come identify with ibo, the height of inferiority complex is throwing the highest position to people that have no regard for you. But what do you expect, an ikwerre man would be interested in being president of ibo apex body, chop and clean mouth, then ikwerre will even insult you ontop of it, lol. If Ohanaze throw it open to igala, they will come and chop as well, who no like awoof?. Nothing concern with ndoki, they are neigbours to bonny owned by ijaws.
What about Ijaws that have been grovelling and bribing Ndoki people to see themselves as Ijaws. Oh you think we don't know. The whole fake Ijaw history of Ndoki will be dismantled soon.
Bonny people of yore, made it clear they're of Igbo descent. Deal with it
Putindbutt: As you can see from the snippet, Baike interviewed two groups of people, the kalabaris and the ibos while the kalabari called it as ibani as pronounced today, the ibos pronounced it Obane. Besides, Baike was one of the late arrivals.
Hausas pronounce Enugu and ANUGU. That doesn't mean Hausas own Enugu.
So that Kalabaris pronounced UBANI as IBANI, does not mean Kalabaris own UBANI/Bonny.
I hope you got the top part of that snippet that clearly stated verbatim that "The Bonny people claim an Igbo descent"
The keywords there being BONNY PEOPLE. Not Igbo people, or Kalabari people. It clearly tells the reader that the BONNY PEOPLE THEMSELVES claim Igbo ancestry. This clears all doubt and destroys any latter day revisionist wriggling.
Putindbutt: Big lies, Ndoki never founded Bonny, Ndoki are neighbors to Bonny till date. For the Ngwa you put in there, lol, make i just laugh. You guys are the real revisionists, how can slaves in bonny be laying claims?, the guts!
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Igbos were the kings and middlemen of Bonny.
Igbos also make up a vast majority of the slaves in Bonny, which also includes Ijaw slaves.
This snippets confirm the Igbo origins of Bonny and the rulers of Bonny.
Any concocted evidence that was put together after 1900 is not admissible.
Putindbutt: Loads of trash. Ndoki sold their heritage, betrayed you, ikwerre betrayed you too, everybody betray una and you don't think something is wrong with you?
An Ikwerre son is fighting to become the next Ohanaeze PG. When that happens, a lot will be clawed back, and there is nothing you will be able to do about it.
Thank God 99% of Ndoki people still know they are Igbos
pazienza: Even the Modern day Ijaw revisionists realising how untenable to claim they got to Bonny all the way from Delta, now made up a new story where they claim they migrated to Ndoki first and then from Ndoki they went to Bonny. That was how the forged the senseless "Aminandokiari" lies they are parading about!
The Truth will always triumph!
One thing they have not thought of is that the Bonny indigenes that claimed Igbo ancestry, never claimed to be Ijaws.
To make matters worse for them, the Ijaw revisionists will also have to create an extra fake Ijaw identity for the Ngwa people.
When the time comes, the few Ndoki elders that sold their individual heritage to the Ijaws for a few pieces of silver, will be rightly ostracized, with their descendants made OSUs as a lesson to these hungry Igbos that willfully betray the Igbo cause.
Ijaws go explain tire
We look forward to the Ngwa fake tales by Ijaws to make their 419 claims complete.
For the Igbos, every book written by neutral observers from 1900 downwards, made it clear that Igbos own UBANI. That is one fact Ijaw landgrabbers will never be able to wriggle out of.
pazienza: Ijaw homeland is Delta State. Igbo homeland is Ndoki few kilometres away from Opobo and Bonny. By simple logic, who stood chance of getting to Bonny and Opobo first?
Early Europeans met people in Bonny who they asked of the first settlers on the Island, they all pointed towards Ndoki/Ngwa Igbo homeland. So what are you on about? .
As you rightly wrote, the two subsections of the Igbo society that founded Bonny/Ubani are 1. Ngwa people 2. Ndoki people
Both groups are bonafide Igbo groups, and the indigenes of Bonny left no one in doubt as to their ancestry, hundreds of years ago before latter-day revisionists came to the scene.
Putindbutt: Read very well the first sentence on the screenshot. Captain Adams himself admitted that his opinion of the natives of Bonny was probable (not certain or definate). the native language of Bonny is ibani but people speak ibos predominantly because of trade. you can easily mistaken the natives as ibos. One can pardon the foreign man for mistaken identity.
The writing from Dr. Baikie was more definite. The inhabitants of Bonny are of Igbo descent
Abagworo: Everybody in Bonny migrated from elsewhere but Igbos are majority. The reason it is considered as Ijawland is because the earliest settlers were Ijaw while Igbos populated it in bulk later either as traders, slaves, mercenaries or acculturated slaves. In answer to the bolded Igbos were always the better traders whether with Europeans or with fellow Africans and yes fishing is a predominant occupation among various Igbo groups especially the ones living near large water bodies.
The two attached ancient snippets, show that Igbos are the original people of Bonny.
Ijoids only came afterwards. UBANI is an Igbo word which means @richness of Land@
Putindbutt: When do ibos start living on water?, can they swim?, do they have any history of being fishermen?. Have they ever traded with the European on the sea?, have they ever fought on water?. So why are they claiming the ocean bodies of Bonny and Opobo?. The kings of Bonny and Opobo bear the ijaw title of Amayanabo. Jaja of Opobo was an ibo slave purchased by ijaw merchants to work as a slave. The nickname Jaja was an ijaw name given to him to embrace him into the royal house. Ibos were captured from the hinterlands and sold as slaves in Bonny, many would then settle after abolishment of slave trade while others migrated to present day bonny.
In this ancient document, it clearly states that the kings of Bonny and Kalabari are of Igbo ancestry, so your point can't even make it past the first hurdle.
When Fulanis enter the hinterlands in the SouthEast and form communities, does that make them owners of the lands?
It makes him owner of the land if he bought it.
And btw,the Nigerian supreme court has already declared that the Jaja descendants own Opobo, after a few Ijaw landgrabbers tried to make untenable claims over Opobo.
I suppose that could be why an eminent Opobian we all know as Dakuku Peterside declared that Opobo's Igbo.
Thanks to Douye Diri . Better in law na better in law.
He really use our turn as Kolokuma Clan well as Governor.
My Community borders Okoloba that Bonny, Opobo and Ndoki call their Ancestral home and Okoloba founders are from my Community
So long as Ndoki people speak Igbo, own ObiIgbo, use the Nri-Igbo four market days, when the time comes, all these una landgrabbing will disappear at the appointed time.
So long as ancient neutral explorers have stated that natives of Opobo and Ubani claim Igbo ancestry, and this no longer be changed, this is yet another futile landgrabbing effort.
Prof. Alagoa will have to start afresh with his revisionist exercise.
LOVEALAIGBO: Bros, what you see happening has its roots in the uncivil war and post war period, when some Ijaw, emboldened by the encouragement and support they got from their Fulani/Yoruba hegemonic 'liberators', proceeded to try and 'landlock' Igboland by 'ijawnising' all city-states and settlements along the coast! Have you ever wondered why bigoted Igbo-haters from certain ethnicities outside the south-south/south-east are obsessed with the idea that Alaigbo is 'landlocked'....ALWAYS siding with the Ijaw on issues pertaining to the ethnic identity of Opobo, Bonny, etc.....going insane with anger when there's any linkage or commonality of purpose of all ethnicities in the south-south and south-east, yet don't mind hearing of 'one north'!? Remember when a certain useless president made the unfortunate gloating remark of Igboland being 'a dot in a circle'? Remember the set of bigots that got a serious boner over said comment? Few days after he made that remark, he was visited by Diette-Spiff, with a retinue of Bayelsa chiefs in tow, and they all were grinning from ear to ear, looking pleased that they had accomplished something!
The confidence the Fulani hegemonic cabal, that passed for the Buhari gov't, has to go after the Biafra/Kanu secessionist agenda derives from their belief that the Ijaw are their partners in this, and this is why you see threads like this trying to sell the wrong notion that Ijaw 'own' the entire coastline of Nigeria from Lagos to Calabar....thereby implying Alaigbo is 'landlocked' and hemmed into 'just your 5 south-east states' which was delineated for them by the 'liberators' and their Ijaw partners in 1967! This is why i warn that Ndigbo should be wary sharing the same country wth three ethnicities in particular, because it has become apparent over the years that these groups stated aim is to undermine Igbo territorial, economic and political interests in 'one Nigeria'! We can NEVER reach our full potential sharing the same country with these three groups of people! TO BE FORE-WARNED IS TO BE FOR-EARMED!
I am aware of what you have written. That is why you see them angry and worried about what Barrister Uche Okwukwu keeps saying. He is currently gunning to become the Ohanaeze Ndigbo PG, when Rivers state is expected to produce the PG next year. They don't want someone like Okwukwu being in charge of Ohanaeze as he is sure to assert his Igboness so completely, and very likely to get these Igbo territories on the fringes to assert their Igboness also. This scenario scares Igbo haters, and those who are landgrabbing Igbo territories in Rivers state.
I make it clear to them that their gas-lighting does not work on me. Every inch of Igbo territory will remain Igbo forever, and Igbos will bulldoze any ethnic group that intends to wickedly appropriate God-given Igbo territories as theirs.
wiseoneking: Bonny people claim an Igbo decent even in 1850s from the page of the book you attached written by the Europeans. I am not from rivers state but my mother born eighty years ago in Opobo spoke Igbo as her first language. She's not Igbo by the way.
I watched a documentary about opobo but they are heavily of Igbo stock.
But Jaja of Opobo, the founder and owner of Opobo was an Igbo man, and he practised omenana which is the Igbo religion and culture.
Nailly: The Ijaw Town of Bonny ruled by Amayanabo Dappa Perekule the natural Ruler of Ibani-Ijaw Kingdom This is one out of over 40 Communities that make up Ibani Clan of the Ijaw Nation.
These are the facts, as established by a neutral European observer in his book of the early 1850s.
Nailly: Ok I should remove Bonny and put Onitsha shey? Very stupid.
Of course it will be stupid to remove Bonny and put Onitsha.
But it will be smart to remove Bonny from that your list. Just know one thing, Igbos will definitely come for Bonny, and will readily eliminate anyobody or group trying to landgrab Ubani. Take this to the bank. Egbesu will not be able to help you when the time comes
helinues: Even God forbids calamity like Peter Obi as Nigeria president, a collosal failure with no tangible achievements in the same state he governed for 8 years. What a wasteful 8 years of governance
Tueh kelebe
Peter Obi raised the educational bar of Anambra state to become the best in the whole country, including Lagos.
Peter Obi made Anambra the least corrupt state in the federation when he was the governor
Peter Obi made Anambra the state with the best security, when he was the governor, to mention a few.
In MDG, he was the best. Peter Obi is Tinubu's father.
Tinubu only gave us certificate forgery and heroin-pushing, followed by hunger and depreciating naira
helinues: But he couldn't light his home state nor home region.
Is he lighting candle?
Governors don't control NEPA or EEDC or any arm of the electricity generation/distribution process. At least that wasn't within his constitutional powers when he was the governor.
Another clip of the interview that Igbo haters will find disturbing and painful. He is already gunning to become the next Ohanaeze president-general.
Of course, I am aware that Igbos have a few other access points to the ocean, but this Ikwerre leader makes it clear that Ikwerreland is core Igbo territory.