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@OP

Both adultery and fornication are SINS even if you only thought about it let alone you actually carry it out, I am sorry to say those ladies in your "experiences" have lots of work to do, are you sure you're not enticing them with money or other material stuff?

I know things are hard in naija so that might explain their little "side hustle"afterall, most of the pastors over there have their own little "hustle" as well.

@OP


Azibalua appears to be Pastor JoAgbaje's feminine side,

I haven't witnessed the highest denomination fraud in person but I have seen the "God told me some people will bless the Church with $5,000, $2,000. $1,000, $500, etc " SCAM by a "visiting Pastor/minister"

Only God can and will save us from the fake "mogs" masquerading as true Shepherds.

Sagamite:
You are foool!

You are not making excuses, so what is this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-738342.96.html#msg8954272

So what should I go and do in Otta? Arrant idiotic statement.

Secondly, OBJ is the best President Nigeria ever had, no matter how crude he is.

Continue following a daft culture, I redifine the stewpid culture.

I refuse to condescend to your level of communication, LOL@OBJ being the best president ever, shows your level of understanding!

The man who has reaped where he didn't sow TWICE before our very own eyes, committed gross CRIMINAL ACT ( installing Shehu Shagari instead of the rightful winner of the elections just to cover their rear ends) is the best in your books, now I am learning about your standards of public office.

Is it no the Yorubas that say "until the rotten tooth is pulled away, the mouth must chew with caution"? Maybe you need to take your own advise dude

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Dude, get a grip, I am not making excuses for no one just stating the FACTS as I see them, I don't know what you stand to gain from cursing a dead person, I remember enough about my culture not to do that.

God remains the ultimate judge, go to Ota and deal with the devil there who's still alive instead of chasing shadows, typical Nigerians treat the dead as meat, each and everyone of us ("rich or poor"must give account of their stewardship .

If you actually know the Nigerian armed forces well, you will know there are Generals in all service branches with the same last name so you might see another one of them again LOL

Do what you can for your country and forget what you think others should have done!

The term "robbing God" came from the old practice of some Priests saving the BEST parts of Temple offerings/tithes for themselves and instead offering unbefitting goods on the altar unto the Lord.


Giving to Church in modern times and neglecting one's family for instance can't be giving can it? We have to give from the HEART to whomever we chose to give to and not restricted to a "Church" or building.

Sagamite:
And you will be court marshaled if you retired?

Is it by force to stay in the military?

You think it does not require some certain traits and behaviours before someone becomes selected by other crooks into such positions?

Folks need to think before commenting sometimes!

Any retired Military officer can be recalled to active duty by the COAS or C in C if it is warranted, you don't get your full benefits as a retired General for nothing,

Only reason I brought Diya in is to reinforce the fact that most people don't look back after being part of decisions made in the past unless they have an agenda. Decisions of the SMC/AFRC are collective decisions though some people's opinion might carry more weight.


I hope this releases me from "further obligations"

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Since you appear to come from Shagamu, why not ask Diya from Odogbolu to comment about his involvement in a coup to remove Abacha? Ever regretted a position you were part of publicly and if so, what purpose did it serve?

BLACK, no doubt.

I couldn't agree more!

Sagamite:
Rubbish!

You have a Military Supreme council and there are individuals that carry weight there even if the commander has far more.

So you are saying it is OK he followed orders that destroyed lives? Whilst enriching himself? And Ukiwe was a fool?

So loads of people against Abacha were dropping dead, no investigation was done and those praise-singing him were buying new cars and houses and you are requesting for a recording of Abacha giving instructions of killings?

It shows you really don't know how the Military works or intended to work, you can be sent to a court-martial for refusal to follow direct orders, I don't know that you have ever seen a Ship with two captains, if you've ever been on a Naval Ship/vessel, you'll have a better understanding.

There were other "issues" going on with Ukiwe if you know Nigerian history because he was actually SENIOR to everyone in that Government with Bali the only probable exception. You can see why he wouldn't want to be there knowing how much power Idiagbon wielded and him being sort of "disrespected",

Folks need to research before commenting sometimes!

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The "silent" workers have to be applauded and celebrated where ever they are,

We have to keep an eye out for the good as well ( we're keeping an eye out for Irene around here too )

@WT

I've read of the Adelaja guy in Ukraine and the fact that there were some "issues/controversies" surrounding him recently too. I don't believe he is "affiliated" with any of the leading "Nigerian ministries" though but what do I know?

I will be sure to see for myself if I ever find myself close by there because all the Nigerian Churches I've visited here in the US, UK, Germany, etc are purely Nigerian Churches fitting my original description.

Share more information with us if you have them as we can't see everything and not claiming to.

JeSoul:
Look at this bad belle boy . . . why are you trying to hustle another man's hustle? China? Middle east? Russia? for whia? who be mugu?  Pastor no wan die now, communism will not allow for the aquisition of private jets and lavish residences, Russia self too cold and who fit learn new language? Afghanistan? you want make he chop bullet from alqaeda? . . . who no like better thing for America and Swiiizurland? 

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Offtopic . . . yo dude, NFL season is abouts to be on again Pats on point for #4 for Brady . . . no make I come drag you over to the thread oh, they're only about 4 of us on NL that watch the thing 

The Pats might have an easier route in the AFC this year but I doubt they can win it all but you never know. Peyton is likely out for the first few games hence their signing of Kerry Collins to handle the ball until 18 comes back. The Ravens only have this year left to do something before rebuilding, NFC is still the conference to beat though

I kinda knew WT was viaro as well as pilgrim.1 and posted such in one or two replies. welcome, ekabo, etc back.

Joagbaje:
[b]We should stop all these immature allegations. Does it matter if anybody change ID. what matter is the topic and views of individuals[/b]

See yourself? And you're supposed to be a pastor! What you're saying in effect is that DISHONESTY is ok if only done online abi? I feel very sorry for your Church members!

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That's what they need to start advertising my brother for the sake of TRUTH IN ADVERTISING!

It is not uncommon for one to hear Nigerian Churches make claims about "spreading the Gospel/good news" to Western nations, the point I want us to discuss amicably is how true are those claims really are.

I have never been to a Nigerian Church where 95% (at a minimum) of the worshipers aren't Nigerians or children of Nigerians with the other 5% accounting for spouses, co-workers, or friends of Nigerians.

Why aren't they trying to convert folks in China, Eastern Europe, or the Muslim World?


Who are we kidding here?

Big B1:
ogajim:

Wow, really?
I did not know, thanks for the info.

Yes he was Nigeria's first Admiral, Wey, Soroh, Adelenwa and Akin Aduwo before him all retired as Vice Admirals.

@Sagamite, There is no joint decision in the military, if you're the commander, you lead and others from your 2IC down FOLLOW your ORDER, Last time I checked, you didn't have any right to challenge your commander's order, Ukiwe(at that time actually the most senior officer in Nigeria) was humiliated out of office and service by IBB for that very reason in 1986.

You all blame Abacha for all the killings that happened during his regime but now want IBB's government to be a group effort, you can't have it both ways, I forgot, Abacha is dead! Though no one has come forward with any proof that Abacha knew everything that went on or signed off on everyone that was killed.


There is no other country where Shakespeare's "the good are often interred with their bones" is  on display more than Nigeria.

@Kunle, this looks like one of those multiple ID thingy, dude with a lot of background yet only managed 13 posts. Something fishy if you ask me.

I used to think it was NIGERIAN not to speak ill of the dead but I guess I am WRONG.


If you were in Nigerian or old enough to see for your self during the IBB years, there was no mistake who was in charge or who called the shots, if you are now going to blame a dead guy for not disassociating himself from a military decision, you must not be aware of military guidelines and principles.

Was AAA the only other member of AFRC? I do remember him being succeeded as the chief of Naval staff by Patrick "woman wrapper"Koshoni (hip hip OLE was the shout from Naval officers and ratings at his pulling out parade), why are some of these venom not being directed at those of them that are still alive instead of insulting the dead?

Nigeria's first Admiral by the way!

Azibalua:
the tv ministry is quite huge it reaches a lot of people,but the internet is bigger which means more money

CEC and their PR gang! I hope this NL ministry is not costing too much for you church ooooo

Azibalua, do you care to give us an informed opinion on what the costs for internet broadcasts/podcasts are? I would think you guys already had a link and some computers coupled with some web cams, what cost is there?

@Toba, Pastor JoAgbaje already stated in another thread that the CEC church is not a "charity organization" so if you're not a charity orginazation aren't you effectively a BUSINESS?

Little wonder Nigerian Churches(mainly) in the UK are registering as BUSINESSES now to avoid charity commission oversight! Una do well ooooo

Joagbaje:
How do you know what every church is doing? besides the church s not a charity organisation. The primary calling of the church is the preaching of the gospel. yet many churches still go out of their way to reach out to the less priviledge and supporting them. you dont know what every church is doing. everything is not publicised.

Pastor JoAgbaje is in NEED of REPENTANCE for the highlighted portion above, I concur with Kunle that for you to be a pastor (NL parish?) and still utter those nonsensical words, we need to pray for you and your congregation(maybe your Church in it's entirety).

Jesus Christ was ALL ABOUT THE POOR and downtrodden but not these "modern church of Nigeria & America ltd, PLC, LLC, etc" I really feel sorry for the average Nigerian both home and abroad that give their hard earned money to these scammers, The Catholics are way ahead of these modern business centers parading in the name of Church these days, Fela said this a long time ago, they made him look like a fool for speaking the truth when he was actually ahead of his time.

"He who have ears, let him hear"!

[quote author=Ka-Kaww! link=topic=737995.msg8945077#msg8945077 date=1313595590]^ OP

I knew this guy. We used to jokingly call him Will Smith. Sometimes you can tell things looks amiss with these chaps RIP[/quote]You must be from the DMV area or knew him when he moved to the greater FL area.


This is another reason we must put our TRUST in GOD ONLY and not man for we know not what men/women do behind closed doors or when no one seems to be watching.

The Florida megachurch leader who was discovered dead in his Times Square hotel room on Friday was in New York for a speaking engagement and meetings, an Orlando-area congresswoman said Tuesday.

Rep. Corrine Brown said the Rev. Zachery Tims Jr. was "preparing" to preach in the New York area last week but she didn't know where he had planned to speak or whom he had met in the city. She said Mr. Tims had also traveled to California, Chicago and Tampa, Fla., in recent weeks for meetings and appearances.

He was scheduled to fly to Texas on Thursday, authorities said.

"He was always speaking somewhere, that is not very unusual at all," said Ms. Brown, who said she regularly attended his services. "He was very much in demand."

Mr. Tims, 42 years old, was found dead in his hotel room Friday with a plastic envelope containing a white powdery substance police believed to be narcotics, authorities have said. An autopsy was inconclusive, and authorities are awaiting the results of toxicology tests.

New York City police declined to comment further Tuesday. Mr. Tims's family couldn't be reached for comment.

Mr. Tims, who battled drug addiction as a teenager, gained fame through a memoir on his struggles and frequent television and speaking appearances across the country. His Apopka church, the New Destiny Christian Center, said it has more than 8,000 members.

"A lot of people preach, but it was like he would fly," Ms. Brown said. "It felt like he was speaking directly to you."

Thousands gathered to mourn Mr. Tims at his church in Apopka, on Monday night. A wake and public viewing was scheduled for Friday, with Mr. Tims's funeral the following day.

Some voiced concern over the church's future without its charismatic leader.

"I hope they will be able to survive this kind of damage," said Fred Brummer, a commissioner in Orange County, Fla.

Azibalua:
@ poster
Are you a Christian?

Trust Nigerians to answer question with another question!

What has OP's Christianity or lack thereof got to do with the topic? Aren't Christians supposed to give only what they can afford to give with a joyful heart? You've got to be one of those seed sowing word of faith adherents who's going broke while your "mog" smiles all the way to the bank.

Nigerian clergy apart from the Orthodox ones, aren't much different from their politicians, prove me wrong people!

Independent (non CEC) opinion, A real man don't need to raise his hand against his wife because it is wrong, DOUBLE wrong for a so called Christian!

Outside of Nigeria, it is JAIL to physically abuse your wife or child so your pastor must be speaking to Nigerians in Nigeria QED!

4good:
@ the moderator of NL Mr Seun
I want to recommend that either people's highest level of education(or qualification) OR agegoup be shown each time they start a [b]trend or respond to any trend so that we can know who to answer, how to answer and who to ignore. This is very necessary as I have noticed that some posts on this site are either from unlearned, hooligans, touts, and immature, even immature citizens of our society. I dont like arguing or reasoning with fools but it is like nairaland has given some unwise folks who are not ready to learn the opportunity to disguise as if they have anything to offer, thereby wasting the precious times of intelligent and God-fearing nairalanders. Please, Mr Seun, Let us all update our profile to include our Age-group, Highest level of Education, and perhaps Occupation and let at least one of these reflect in every post from everyone. Thanks.[/b]

How about starting the whole full disclosure stuff by "educating" us how a thread became a "trend" on NL?

Nigeria and censorship!, The internet is removing that barriers and it is obvious a lot of folks don't like that, "touch not my anointed" will be thrown next, you're calling someone brown teeth only for your black teeth to show face, go sit down jare!

globexl:
Chie! Haba! 8,000 more pick pockets unleashed on the hapless and already over-SAPPED poor. Its seems there will be no hiding place for the poor in Nigeria. Who will save the masses from these parasites?

Una go kill person for NL!

Isn't this what they call the "ecumenical movement"(ecumenism)?


Didn't the Bible say in 2 Corinthians 6:14

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

We must TRUST God ONLY.

The might of MEEKNESS vs might of budget.


Proverbs 16:32

32He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.


We spend so many pages of budget that even Governments don't follow their own budgets let alone individuals, I would think we have better things to do than fight over whether budget is an essential part of any financial plan or not, DISCIPLINE (fiscal and otherwise) is a Christian value if you ask me.

wordtalk:
Are you thick or what? Did you miss what I said or you're just talented at being silly altogether? What does this mean to you: "people who are informed already know this - Budgeting lies at the foundation of every financial plan"? I noted from the start that "A Budget is part of a Financial Plan, and it is hard to see the substance of teaching only one aspect" - as if that is not clear enough, I also remarked that "budgeting is involved in finances".

You talk as if you exclude budgeting altogether from teaching finances - which was why I said it would make no sense if that were the case.

You would not be involving budgeting at all while teaching finances - is that it? Isn't that plain silly?

Nobody is asking for classes, which makes one wonder at all that you would go there - sounds like you're advertizng your retired CV for a job nobody wants!

The complications arise when you magically imagine that budgeting is not compatible with tithing.

What's a "retired CV"?

Meekness not meanness is what we need to present at all times as good Christians.

"There is nothing infallibly prophetic about pessimistic or cynical conjecture, " (little riddle who wrote the line)

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Roger that,

We do need to pray for a lot of these folks that are under the "influence"

Wordtalk/viaro/pilgrim.1 seems to worship in a Church that preaches the true undiluted Word of God hence my insistence on him sharing the good news(if he is in a mood to that is but I won't hold my breath on that).

I am not sure sure that looking "smart" while trying to make everyone else around look "stupid" is a Christian value after all, much like a "star" player (we're talking about practice ) who doesn't make his team mates better.