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Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 1:11pm On Jun 13, 2011
IGNORANCE is BLISS for a lot of folks!

People would rather not know that what they hold in very high esteem is not what it appears or pretends to be, Jesus Christ prepared his followers for all these things but we have to dig in order to find as the devil is very good at copying and making that copy appear real.

Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: The Evil Genius Indeed by ogajim(m): 3:23am On Jun 13, 2011
ogoamaka99 is probably some dude moonlighting with his/her other ID, to call OP stupid would be implying that he/she has any brains,

If you are in need of a real job, do tell so the Saints of the most high God can come to your rescue instead of trying to defend a bunch of hustlers who happen to use the name of our Lord (waiting for them to proclaim Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior)

Many are called, few are chosen.
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 2:57am On Jun 13, 2011
Akan A1:
U mentioned the word Repent. This invariably means that u r all holy and saintly while any1 who does not share the same view as u is a serial sinner in need of help. Pathetic!!! Harmless as doves just as u r right. It's peeps like u that start civil wars and all sorts of religious crisis.
You sound like another multiple ID fraudster, come as you are, ain't no need to go under another ID to spew same old venom!

You show your level of understanding and maturity when you can't decipher basic messages let alone hidden ones, not all "Churches" actually serve the purpose and will of God, you'll be surprised to know who these folks actually serve after it's all said and done.

The "trained" eye won't see anything Christian in both CD and EL's business empires (I mean Churches),

Not even Pastor JoAgbaje seemed to notice that folks are getting out of EL's Church including Rev. King, you guys need to do some more digging,
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 2:26am On Jun 12, 2011
^^^

Show me anywhere in the Bible where we are advised or directed to congregate or worship in the way it is done today, God doesn't live in Temples made with human hands, meaning he lives in the Christian who is a Temple of God. I laugh when I hear "altar calls", should a Temple go to an alter?

"Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there" should have told you these social gatherings we call Churches is not the only way, folks who have a deep need for pure unadulterated WORD and forming house fellowships now instead of the show boating that go on in the "pay per view ministries"

Repent and remember what Christ himself said in:


Matthew 10:16, Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Christianity EtcRe: CNN Exposing False Pastors by ogajim(m): 2:09am On Jun 12, 2011
[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=686196.msg8501719#msg8501719 date=1307821593]Again you read my post well! FYI, 'm not one to trade words with you haven known you for creepy and crafty manipulation of the bible.

I tell you again, you are chasing shadows! No where in the NT will you find a reward for false phropet chasers, rather crowns are given out to men who win souls for christ and to win souls is to preach the gospel. And this gospel is simple;Ro 10 vs 9-10. Thats all that is required. The rest, leave each to do what 2Ti 2:15 says!

Lastly, how many souls will your chasing of those you called false prophets win for Christ and GOD?

An exercise in Fruitility,[/quote]Is that really a word? Are you telling me that folks who expose false preachers thereby saving those blindly following these false preachers are doing a disservice to the body of Christ? Where did your Bible say the kingdom is about numbers as opposed to QUALITY? Does "many are called few are chosen" ring a bell?
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 2:01am On Jun 12, 2011
Akan A1:
It is very obvious/unfortunate that many peeps have decided 2 take God's job and do. Who appointed any1 a judge/executioner? You guys go around looking 4 every prosperous preacher or Christian 2 bring down yet u your own self have absolutely no fruits of righteousness or traces of a godlike nature. Even if by any chance u guys r right does it mean u must crucify any1 who does not share the same view with u [that's an Anti-Christ behaviour]. Little wonder y so many r so Anti-anything church or Christ,
"Newbies" harping on the same old tune? I think not!

By the same token, you mean to tell us Jesus Christ should have left the money changers in the Temple? Grab hold of your own salvation dude and stop looking up to some other guy to fulfill what you have the skills and tools (by way of the Holy Spirit) to fulfill for your self.

Knowing God and working directly with him through Jesus Christ instead of some "all knowing, infallible MOG" can be refreshing and one day some of you will experience that great feeling.


Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 12:21am On Jun 12, 2011
Joagbaje:
All of us are only working with assumptions. The truth will suface. I'm just assuming. There are times in Nigeria ,press men comes to a big man and say we have this article against you , you may win in court but before you win reputation would be damaged . It may take years and they negotiate to kill the story even though it is based on false hood. It happens in court . It happens all over the world. Micheal jackson and co and co. The family the vowed he couldn't do such. We saw how IMF leader who wanted to fight his case lost his position . If he had opportunity to settle , he probably would. Even if he wins now, he can't have his office back. Someone who have nothing to lose , sometimes has upper hand in scandals over one who has everything to lose.  I may be wrong in my assumption but ,that's my opinion. If he did it , I'm sure he will admit it openly in church so as to receive forgiveness. When this case is over.
Pastor JoAgbaje, you've got to be kidding me with the highlighted part! You're dragging Nigeria's bribing mentality into this discourse and just like the 2 shekels of Silver reference for Temple tax that Jesus paid for himself and Peter reference, you are WAY OUT OF BOUNDS, illegal use of a keyboard.

The main reason people settle out of court in these parts is to KEEP THE RECORDS SEALED, Anything that goes through the court system without mediated settlement will remain public and can be obtained via FOIA hence people who want their SECRETS to remain so settle out of court. You show your ignorance when you go about what you know little or nothing about my man.

Ted Haggard had to come out because white folks don't tolerate that kind of nonsense like black folks do in the name of follow follow, did Jim Baker remain in charge of PTL after his prison term? And we wonder why many African presidents are sit tights?

Look at these "churches" in question closely and you'll see their "god" is way different from OUR GOD.
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 7:18pm On Jun 10, 2011
JoAgbaje and Creflo seem to be on the same page no wonder enigma called CD one of your mentors sort of. How did you guys know that God has forgiven the man when he hasn't admitted to anything? Creflo saying the man had a wreck did seem like an admission on Long's behalf because we were all waiting for him to starting using the 5 stones when they made the beeline for "settlement" because those records can be SEALED once the cash exchanged hands.

No one ( non indoctrinated folks) is FOOLED by any of these.
Christianity EtcRe: Creflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 3:44pm On Jun 10, 2011
The brainwashing has to be deep because normal people would have left both congregations long time before these events. Can you imagine him telling them to go back to Long's church because he doesn't want them?

We really need to pray for a lot of Christians in these end times.
Christianity EtcRe: Another Tithe Thread by ogajim(m): 1:11pm On Jun 10, 2011
According to Creflo, tithe is just the beginning and is not part of GIVING:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8-V1gvyb_c
Christianity EtcCreflo Dollar Defends Eddie L. Long (Video) by ogajim(op): 12:49pm On Jun 10, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rIfi2FKaE

I couldn't believe this at first but here it is.
Christianity EtcRe: Churhes That Collect Tithes And First Fruits Are All Thieves by ogajim(m): 5:14pm On Jun 08, 2011
dorox:
Most the guys arguing in favor of tithing are its recipient or hope to be in the near future. They argue from their stomach instead of their head.
Spot on!

When god makes a law, he is very SPECIFIC on how it should be carried out or who should carry it out, hence he deprived Moses of the chance to see the promise land because of the way he brought water out for his people instead of following God's instruction to the letter.

Beware of Pastors demanding tithes when they aren't Levites! Jesus Christ INSTRUCTED us to LOVE one another and show CHARITY towards one another not pay tithe as opposed to giving freely without any cajoling from some sweet mouthed scammer.

The Church(Body of Christ) is not a BUILDING, God doesn't live in temples made with human hands, you are his TEMPLE, remember that next time you make "altar" calls: Should the Temple be going to an "altar"?

You are in the midst of WOLVES so be WISE as serpents and GENTLE as doves,
Christianity EtcRe: 2 Year Old Christ Embassy Girl Speaks In Tongues And Preaches by ogajim(m): 4:39pm On Jun 07, 2011
CEC, na wa for una!

Now you're using innocent little children this way? Anyone who has a two year old child won't be surprised by this, this beautiful child is only acting out what she sees at home either from the mom, dad or both.

Come on people!
Christianity EtcRe: The Truth About Tongues And Pentecostalism (part 1) by ogajim(m): 4:06pm On Jun 07, 2011
The Bible recorded an EXTRAORDINARY event(one-time event) on the day of Pentecost only for these people to twist it for what i don't know, there is absolutely no relationship between what happened on that day and what goes on in a lot of the "SOF/WOF, ecumenical" movement today.

AIO, if you monitor these "tongue speakers" closely, they blab and babble the same thing week in week out as if they are "hearing or speaking" the same instructions or prayers every time.

I don't even take note of them anymore because our God knows our hearts and don't even need for us to utter anything but praise his holy name and worship him through our Lord Jesus Christ.

We need to pray for them.
Christianity EtcRe: Church Leaders & The Use Of Honorific Titles by ogajim(m): 2:49pm On Jun 07, 2011
Those whose livelihood depend on titles no matter how outlandish will attack you with automatic weapons as soon as they finish dealing with Kunle on the other thread.

But as true Christians, no weapon fashioned against us shall prosper IJN.

Great research work my brother.
Christianity EtcRe: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by ogajim(m): 4:30pm On Jun 03, 2011
dorox:
All these so called men of God especially those of the pentecostal/magical prosperity pedlars are in actual fact agents of the devil, their goal is to debase the priceless value of Jesus' ransom sacrifice to the extent that it can be measured in naira and kobo. All they talk about in their place of worship is how to get material prosperity by sowing seeds of faith. They have turned the house of God into an investment bank promising believers as much as a thousand percent return on investing some specified amount of money on their pastors/church/God. They crassly reinforce this warped unchristian value system on their members by rewarding the rich(ill gotten or not) among them with special front row seats closest to God pastor. At the beginning of every year as far as i can remember, they make all kinds of wonderful empty promises to their members à la this is your year of bountiful harvest, year of excesses, year of fulfillment and so on and so forth. In fact what they are able to promise believers at the beginning of each year is only limited by their imagination and at the end of each year the believers as a group are no better off making a lie of the preachers words. Just imagine how you would react if your doctor or banker gave you half as much false promises as these preachers, would that person continue to be your doctor or banker? Certainly not. Why then do we continue to allow all these evil men to make false promises and not hold them accountable?
 Just look at how poor nigeria is today, can you honestly say our poverty stems from a lack of church and church goers or the lack of muslims? We are poor because we are a nation of people that have lost the ability to think for themselves attributing every little thing that happens around us to the supernatural. When a car crashes or plunge into a river or something, we don't stop to question the state of the driver, the condition of the road and the serviceability of the vehicle in order to understand the cause of the accident and how best to prevent or reduce future occurrence. Instead you hear things like na mammy water, blood sucking demons were thirsty and all kinds of ridiculous stories comingfrom adults of normal intelligence.
In a nut shell, out of the abundance of Gods love for mankind, he gave his only begotten son so that anyone exercising faith in Him might not perish but have a priceless everlasting life that money can not buy. Don't let your pastor sell you short, being materially rich or poor is not an indication of your spiritual wealth.
Excellent submission, God bless you my brother.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:12pm On Jun 03, 2011
^^^
Tonye-tithe probably doesn't even have a passport talk less of visa to Greece, plus dem no fit fleece the Greeks now since majority of them are Orthodox Christians.

Loading up on his meds maybe cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by ogajim(m): 12:57pm On Jun 03, 2011
adaybayor:
Nairalanders when will you stop talking nonsense. I am sure no church forces you to give your tithes, so this discussion shouldn't come up. As for me I have been paying my tithe for as long as I've earned money. Paying your tithe is the right thing to do. I and my family have been paying our tithe and we have not lacked. Those of you who do not pay check yourselves and realise that you end up spending over the said 10% on Doctor's bills or some other wasteful expenditure as the devourer has not been rebuked. Read Mal 3:8-12, Neh 10:37,
And before you say that it's all in the old testament read Heb 7:9 as well. Abraham came before the law, but he too paid tithe.
By the way how much do you earn that you think a tenth of it can enrich a pastor?
Allow those of us who tithe to continue in our supposed stupidity, but stop bitching about it.
Also if the holy spirit has not yet lead you to pay your tithes yet, you must have the wrong one.
this is bullcrapand i am sure you are just one of those damn scammers going about pretending to be MOG,
Adaybayor dude must really be under some OKUTA to be spewing this nonsense, do you have a JOB(regular)?

Where in the Bible did people other than farmers and livestock owners pay tithe? Did the tent makers, carpenters, fishermen, etc pay tithe?
Christianity EtcRe: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by ogajim(m): 8:45pm On Jun 02, 2011
Joagbaje:
Those who give tithes give willingly by knowledge of truth.
Pastor Joe Agbaje, welcome back! I don't think OP is attacking anyone giving willfully with full knowledge and a cheerful heart, what he he alluding to is the SCAM of GUILT and being called ROBBER for not paying 10% of gross income, even Caesar(Govt.) allows you to deduct flex spending, healthcare, 401k, etc before they tax you but these "MOGs" want 10% of gross.

Most people are beginning to see the light now which coupled with the economic downturn the World over has led to reduced "harvest" on the part of these Wolves in sheep's clothing, they have had to amplify their message to try to cover the loss of revenue or shortfall.

Greed is not a true Christian value.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 3:37pm On Jun 01, 2011
^^^
Frosbel, don't be surprised at all because most Nigerian Churches are doing that here in America now too, their flock has been brow beaten to the point of no return because they don't even think how our Almighty God could be so insensitive to their needs to demand even their last cent from them because they believe their "Pastor's" interpretation of the Scriptures more than theirs or other independent sources. They are "taught" to obey and not think logically "because our ways are not God's".
I have seen folks prefer to pay tithe/building fund offering/sow a seed, etc than send money to their old folks at home, nothing worse than leaving your own parents hungry to feed a fat cat who has made you to believe it is really not him you're giving the money to but to "God's work"

They repeatedly are told to "Obey" and not ask questions, these "MOGs" know how to work their flock, they've studied the CDs, TDJs, KPs, JOs, TH(2)s, etc.

God will help us as we pray for all the deceived brethren.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 3:08pm On Jun 01, 2011
^^^

As far as these guys are concerned, the only thing that wasn't abolished on the CROSS was the $/Benjamin/straight cash related verses.

I don't blame these lot at all, some of them I see state side are worse than they are, some can't even afford their utility bills but would rather tithe because God will solve the other problems for them, they have been beaten into complete Zombie status to the point they can't hear reason or "contrary opinion".
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:30pm On Jun 01, 2011
Drum roll for you Tonye-tithe, as a matter of fact, 21 gun salute for the tithe general.

How about we say tithe is not a law but a "CUSTOM" as you rightly pointed out in an earlier post this morning? Maybe I am missing the issue here because I haven't finished my morning coffee yet so bear with me!

My Jesus Christ came to abolish all customs/practices/sacrifices so that we may get a second birth, how about yours?



Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:09pm On Jun 01, 2011
The goal post keep moving and we're not going anywhere arguing with Tonye-tithe.

Shalom.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:07pm On Jun 01, 2011
[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=676553.msg8433212#msg8433212 date=1306929029]You are beginning to sound like a big fool! I'll rather be a loonie and stick to what is right that follow the band of fools like you and your satanic folks to deceive innocent people who read and get misinformed by a simple issue you guys cannot even address. I was brought up with this scriptures my friend

Ex.23:2 - do not follow the crowd in doing what is wrong

Why cant you boldly address the issue or better still answer the question i asked your fellows who keep dodging simple questions!

Just simply because fake pastors manipulate the topic, you guys believe the [color=#990000]custom
should be abolished. what a height of insanity! *1 advice. . .shut up! and listen as I teach you tithing* grin grin[/color][/quote]Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe:Tonye-tithe

How many times was that? You started with Abram's one time tithe and when you were called out on that, you ignored that completely and went for Moses' instruction that they keep the "CUSTOM" of tithing.

You probably discourage more folks with your insults and attitude than anyone else on this forum Pastor Joe Agbeje don't even come close to you in terms of attitude, he appears to be a gentle man who is sometimes uncomfortable with his assignment/mission on NL.

Are you up for promotion or something dude?
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 12:33pm On Jun 01, 2011
[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=676553.msg8432837#msg8432837 date=1306926121]Kunle,

You are just a BIG COWARD cry cry baby!!.  cheesy cheesy cheesy Dont worry I wont rest my case until you repent from the satanic lies you feed innocent readers on this forum by telling them tithing is irrelevant. How dare you!  cheesy

Here's my stance and I'll always remain on that,

Firstly,

I strongly believe that tithing was never a law because Abraham was the first man recorded to have tithed, when he tithed he did so before the law of Moses. Now how on earth can someone come up to now say tithing is a law. Moreover,[color=#550000] bible scholars sternly believed that tithing must have been an ancestral custom in Abraham's lineage because even Jacob (who still existed before the law) promised God a tithe if God will fulfill a promise,
and bible told us God fulfilled his promise, meaning Jacob must have tithed too. Now did this men exist before the law of moses or during the law of moses? Your answer is sure as mine. They existed before the law[/color]




Gen 14:20 (for Abraham) -And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he[Abraham] gave him tithes of all. KJV




Gen 28:20-22 (For Jacob)

20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:

22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I[Jacob] will surely give the tenth unto thee.
[/quote]WOW, you must be sore from patting your self on the back after such a "convincing" submission in favor of tithe, How come Abram (not Abraham as your folks like to call him at this point since this was before his covenant with God) never paid from his own pockets? Am I allowed to take a team of Navy Seals, attach Bayelsa (where Pastor Joe Agbaje is based), take the loot and pay 10% of that to your CEC branch? How come Abraham never repeated this again? Could it be because there was no record of him going to war again? How many of you get your house girl/maid pregnant these days because your wife is unable to conceive?

What is the similarity between today's tithe and Jacob's promise to pay a tithe after God fulfills certain conditions on his behalf? Let's concentrate on the issues that will grow the Church as opposed to these outdated man-made customs of ecclesiastical taxation (without representation like DC)


Fela God it right in "coffin for head of state, Tonye-tithe might be too young to relate cheesy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNmxOx0ap7M
Christianity EtcRe: Oh! Why Destroy Your Life And Destiny? by ogajim(m): 5:10pm On May 31, 2011
This is a HILARIOUS thread, lunchtime comedy for sure.
Christianity EtcRe: Tithing Truth In A Nutshell - False Prophets Please Read by ogajim(m): 4:07pm On May 31, 2011
^^^
Supported wholeheartedly cheesy cheesy cheesy

We need to keep THEM in our prayers.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 2:01pm On May 31, 2011
Abeg kunle, make we forget this cry baby!

I wonder what kinds of Christians throw insults about and call people names just because they don't have the same opinion on things undecided

We might find it easy to think outside the box, accept when we make mistakes, apologize when needed, etc because we are not under the INFLUENCE of some "MOG" with hair that can best be described at a greasy Kippah/yarmulke.

One day, these people will see the light and until then, the best we can do is pray for them.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:22am On May 31, 2011
It is crystal clear now that Tonye-tithe and the rest of the CEC mujahedin(multiple IDs and all) have nothing new to offer in this debate, calling folks with SUPERIOR arguments names only goes to show this individual as an immature baby crying for attention, pickin wey say im mama no go sleep no go sleep either,

Your tithe/jet buying business is about to end, get other sources of income now before it is too late, I hear these "MOGs" break you down to the point of no return and before you know it, you are doing things you would never do under normal circumstances, A good friend of mine was told a couple of weeks ago that as a worker he shouldn't wear native every Sunday to Church as a worker, A Nigerian Church where Nigerian attire is not welcomed?

Kids throw temper tantrums when they can't get their way, is that what am sensing from tithe-tonye? I won't stoop to that level and start calling names, you appear to be way too junior to have that back and forth with.


Tonye-tithe, If I see you about to jump from the top of the Washington monument, all I can do is try to show you the dangers inherent in what you're about to do but at the end, you can still decide to jump, same with your tithe,


Shalom,
Christianity EtcRe: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by ogajim(m): 1:34am On May 30, 2011
Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, the day is coming when a lot of people will start to question the business men moonlighting as "pastors" these days.

You will be surprised by how much control these wanna bes want to exert on their membership, to see well educated folks being taken for a ride amazes me sometimes.

The truth is coming out,
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 1:25am On May 30, 2011
Tonye-tithe, ekabo, ekun toju awon omo ati iyawo,


I don't know that anyone of the good folks that don't see tithe as a Christian requirement CONDEMNED(way above their jurisdiction anyway) anyone who wants to give 10% of his gross to some "MOG"/Church or what have you. The point I have seen them make is that it is not a CHRISTIAN REQUIREMENT, fine if you want to do it but it doesn't give you any extra "cheeses"/points.

The Bible tells us that God won't even tell us if he were hungry, the earth is his foot stool, do you compete with your dog for the crumbs that drop on the floor(I certainly hope not)? Honor and adoration is what God needs from his children not money, "alter calls", seed sowing, building funds, the list goes on and on.

Cursing or name calling is not a Christian value, God is not a Nigerian judge/policeman that will be bribed with 10% to forgive our sins, There are also many ways one can give towards God's work aside from money, flee from those "straight cash homie" ministries people.

Holiness(without which no one can see God) should be our GOAL.

Shalom!
Christianity EtcRe: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by ogajim(m): 6:57pm On May 27, 2011
Tonye-tithe, your tithe collecting course is over already?

To each his own, if it works for you folks, by all means carry on, I will give as the Holy Spirit leads me and NOT as someone else leads me to believe.

I would love to know where the "giving in order to receive" can be found in the Holy Scriptures, what's wrong with a Christian giving without expecting anything in return knowing that our Father in Heaven is looking down and knows our hearts?

It's PURE SCAM to be "taught" the prosperity nonsense of giving in order to get something from God and the wrong application of FAITH, "faith without works is DEAD"

Shalom!

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