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AntilsIam:
Is like you are high on camel urine, that is the watch word of all your terrorist groups I listed above fighting and killing for allah all because they want to turn everyone to idol worshippers like you

You can't force Christians and Jews to serve your idol (allah) that was caged inside the shrine of kaaba

Muhammad inherited an idol (allah) from his idolater father and you want sane minds to believe and be serving his idol, SLAVE, it can't work

I see you are too uncivil to have conversations without showing your irresponsible unscrupulous nature.

Is this how you were raised, what you picked from society or the illusion you have about the way of life you uphold?

You are unable to show where any verse clearly says people are compelled to worship Allah who is in no way an Idol or forced into Islam. Obviously you are fund of making careless statement without valid proof.

You forget the Christian and Jewish terrorist groups for what reason?


1. The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) (Uganda, DRC, CAR, South Sudan)
2. Army of God (USA)
3. Phineas Priesthood (USA)
4. The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA) (USA)
5. Eastern Lightning (Church of Almighty God) (China)
6. National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) (India)
7. Jewish Defense League (JDL) (USA, Israel)
8. Kahane Chai / Kach (Israel)
9. Brit HaKanaim (Israel)
10. Gush Emunim Underground (Israel)
11. Terror Against Terror (TNT) (Israel)
12. Bat Ayin Underground (Israel)

Or can you provide valid context of how the verses you share support your wrong stand?

Perhaps you should provide a Fatwa supported by true Islam that approves killing anyone for not practicing Islam that led to the killing of those referred to in that video

Kingsempires:
Omo no be small ooo p😭

AntilsIam:
Muhammad advocated force conversions into Islam

Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option.

The Qur’an:

Quran 9:29 Farook Malik 

Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued


Quran 9:5 Dr. Kamal Omar  

So, as soon as Al-Ashhurul-Hurum have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (Christians and Jews) wherever you found them, and capture them, and keep them under surveillance and establish for them all means for ambush. So if they repented and took a turn (to reform) and established As-Salat and paid up Az-Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, continuously Merciful

These verses are most applicable to the political and military situations of their time.

They do not promote indiscriminate violence but rather set guidelines for engaging in warfare against hostile entities that violated treaties (9:5) and against aggressive non-Muslim nations (9:29).

Going on there are other passages in the Qur'an highlight the importance of peace whenever feasible (e.g.,Quran 2: 208,60:8-9, 8:61), and historically, Muslims have lived alongside non-Muslims under agreements such as the Constitution of Medina.

The Qur'an's seven Ahruf (modes) demonstrate its complexity and cohesion, embracing linguistic diversity, promoting unity, and maintaining its divine message. These modes accommodate the linguistic nuances of Arab tribes, ensuring the Qur'an's message is accessible to all. The Ahruf also facilitates memorizing and understanding, making it easier for people with varying linguistic abilities to memorize and recite the Qur'an. This complexity highlights the Qur'an's divine precision and its ability to adapt to human diversity while preserving its unified essence. The revelation in multiple Ahruf reinforces the unity of the Muslim Ummah, despite differences in language or culture.

Gabrielshow24:
I have not even brought other variations? 🤧

Allah tasked Jubril to deliver a vision "A" to Mohammed, Mohammed recited "A" then all of a sudden we see both "A" & "B"

The B supporters claim Mohammed recited "B" not "A"

A supporters claim otherwise.

Which are we to believe that Jubril revealed?
Evidently Jubril couldn't have revealed both
Hence the source of this malignant error is in the supposed "preservation" claimed by your people, rests upon God(Allah)

So now the conclusion is either Allah did a sloppy work maybe perhaps he slept or was too busy testing the fires of hell that one became two in his eyes or Allah never said such in the first place.

Now you are in a pickle!
This is just the tip of the iceberg!
Because of your inerrancy I will dive deeper into the cadavers of your religion!

Gabrielshow24:
How then did they arise? 👀

Did you even consider the logical implications of what you wrote?

So how did "innocent" turn to "infidel" if it's being repeated in the first place as innocent?

Narrated by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab:
"I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting Surah Al-Furqan in a way different from the way I recited it. And I was about to rush to him, but I gave him a chance to finish. Then I tied his garment around his neck and brought him to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and said, 'I have heard this person reciting Surah Al-Furqan in a way different from the way you taught me to recite it.' The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, 'Release him. Recite, O Hisham.' So he recited in the way I heard him recite. The Prophet (peace be upon him) then said, 'It was revealed in this way.' And then he (the Prophet) said to me, 'Recite, O 'Umar.' So I recited it, and he (the Prophet) said, 'It was revealed in this way. The Quran has been revealed in seven Ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easy for you.'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Muslim)


The linguistic diversity among Arab tribes stems from a variety of factors, including historical interactions, geographical influences, phonetic variations, morphological differences, syntactic structures, semantic shifts, and cultural significance. These elements all contribute to a [b]complex yet cohesive [/b]framework within the Arabic language.

Gabrielshow24:
Your argument is self defeating, your Quran makes a statement, clear statement if you don't mind me saying that Allah has a spiritual copy (of your book)with him in Heaven!

If there exists textual variations it self defeats the self preservation (Allah said he personally handles the preservation of your scripture unlike the Jews and christians book where its preservation was outsourced👀) of your scriptures which Allah said he will do.

And it also defeats the Quranic verse that states Allah's word can't be changed.

Hence Allah failed to properly preserve the Quran and allowed textual variants to exist as opposed to the one version propaganda widespread in your Islamic world.

Infact "Allah did a sloppy work"

That variation is still reconcilable what about the "worst of innocents" or the "worst of infidels" 👀

One version claims the Jews and christians are innocents another claims they are infidels which is it?🤧

And don't get me started on the Islamic dilemma!

Also to call out your lie, Angel Jubril didn't reveal two textual variations he revealed one the same hypocritical hands you point at the christians saying their book is corrupt; point them inwards and examine yourselves.


This amongst others just shows the Quran is a construct of illiterate men that didn't read the bible nor understand what was written there in but just merged hearsays, rumours, apocryphal texts and orthodox texts together!

Being garullous as expected without backing up any statement with clear proof.

These so called textual variants do not arise due to changes made during the transmission, copying, or editing process but are repetition of what is revealed. This is what your problem is. Perhaps you want to prove the qiraat were not revealed? Waste your time at it.

When you are ready to be specific perhaps you could be attended to.

Gabrielshow24:
It's you that is funny.

Your Quran asserts that the Quran is with God that's why your imams have always maintained that the Quran has not undergone any textual corruption because the original arguments posits that if the Quran undergoes any textual variation that undermines the assertion that the Quran is with God in the first place because of the question "how many Qurans then reside with God?"

The bible is a revelation from God written by divinely inspired men.

We don't claim the "Quran fell from heaven", written by God's own hands etc

1. If you say these different qiraat were revealed that shoots you in the leg.

Did Jibril reveal two verses one in the warsh when the christians and Jews are called worst of the infidels and the other in the hafs where they are called worst of the innocenct!

Either way I don't see how the conclusion of this argument plays out well for you.

It just negates all of your Quran's original claim and as a result it's nothing but a jumble of illiterate writers/composers copying from other religions without understanding what was written there.

Look at the obvious flaw in how the Egyptians built the pyramids!

Look at the next clause "Haman in Egypt"

Obviously Allah is daft and isn't aware of Haman being a Persian and revealed such a verse to the "best of mankind"

I see you you hardly know what you talk about.

It will be interesting to understand how you know and understand to derive your conclusion that the Quran is with Allah?


Yes Angel Jibril revealed the Quran in different ways and your being oblivious of this shows how little you know of what you say.

Do you mean that revelations in different ways for different dialects and convenience of people is too much for the almighty to do or rather too difficult or you find this overwhelming to believe that an unlettered prophet can grasp and transmit this?

Going on to your statement; please tell who the Bible was revealed to?

Gabrielshow24:
The textual variations of Qiraat might not negate the burning but it creates some unreconcilable differences.

In one version when you want to opt out of a fast perhaps after breaking it, you feed one person in another version you feed people!

Which is it?
Imagine getting to heaven and your Allah says your sins was not forgiven because you didn't feed "people" because you fed just one person but luckily for you people encompasses also the singular but for textual accuracy both don't alleviate the problem.

Allah could as well say he didn't send you to feed people that one was enough.

I can continue to point out this textual variations and how it affects the interpretation of the verse!

The Qirāʾāt variations in Quran 2:184 unless you refer to another emphasize the minimum obligation of expiation, which is to feed one poor person for each missed fast. The plural form, "ṭaʿāmu masākeen," encourages generosity by feeding multiple poor individuals. Both interpretations are valid and do not contradict each other. Modern exegesis, highlights the Quran's depth in addressing social and economic situations. Practical applications include fulfilling the requirement by feeding one person for each missed fast, or encouraging those with greater means to feed multiple individuals.

How is this a problem?
Allah forgives who he will however he will?

MaxInDHouse:
•The endtime started with great signs and even your own people often refer to this period as "ìrọ̀lẹ́ ayé" which means they admitted it's the end time so stop deceiving yourself!

•Jehovah's Witnesses (the real disciples of Christ) don't participate in any form of war!

•Everlasting life after resurrection nah, àbí you have forgotten "ọjọ́ àgbéǹde àlìkìámà"
My friend humble yourself and learn!

Yeah right. How far can you run into a forest?

Jehovah that was not exactly used for God before the 12th century or so?

Where did Jesus say JW are the real disciples?
Some delusion.

If I get you right do you equate judgement day to the everlasting life? Of course judgement day will determine what type of after life on earth you will live but is not the actual after life.

You don't have a basis for any discussion.

1. Were these different qiraat not revealed?

2. Did the so called burning eliminate or accommodate the different qiraat?

3. You all ignorantly refer to a pre-existing Quran and don't know what you say?

4. Were you pre-existing in the design of God before you were born into the world?

5. What is the difference between a revelation and an inspiration?

6. I thought your everlasting life means you will never die? Very funny lot.

Gabrielshow24:
You seem to omit the very obvious sunni and shia conflict!

Even within your sects they believe the so called "word of God" has been tampered with.

Also mind you the four earthly instructors(the most knowledge as the regards the Quran) Mohammed left you guys in their stead did not agree with the Quran collated!

That's really saying something!

Also if you don't know there are also textual variations of your blessed incorruptible, infallible word of God like the warsh and hafs Quran! With thousands of textual variations

And yet your hypocrisy has the guts to call the bible corrupted. All the scrutiny you put on the bible if placed on the Quran, your so called "word of God" falls apart.

If the Bible is true Quran is false and if the Bible is false and corrupted as you say then the Quran is likewise false.
No
There's no way of escaping the dilemma you have dug yourselves in!

Are you now taking over this discussion and bringing in other matters?

Muslims are aware of the different Qiraat transmitted from prophet Muhammad pbuh himself. These reflect the richness and depth of the divine message, showcasing slight differences in wording, pronunciation, or arrangement while conveying the same meaning.

Despite differences, many Sunni and Shia Muslims live peacefully together, sharing core beliefs. What you may call aggressive difference are primarily political not religious.

When did followers of Jesus as Catholics or protestants abandon theirs?


Everlasting life after earthly death or what? Do answer as you now represent who I have been chatting with.

MaxInDHouse:
Because they are ready to lay down their lives instead of joining others in killing their neighbors claiming it's defense that's why Jesus promised them life! Revelations 2:10

So they know that killers during the end time claiming they are fighting for God or defence are under the influence of Satan the killer! Revelations 6:3-4 compare to John 8:44

Surely most of them will be killed by Satan's zombies but Jesus has promised them what they really want: everlasting life! John 11:25

You refer to end time however do you know the duration and start of the end time?

Historically and presently are 'followers of Jesus' devoid of wars and conflict with one another? You cannot make a clear case for Muslims fighting themselves.

Everlasting life after earthly death or what?

MaxInDHouse:
It is what faithless miscreants will be doing as they don't believe in God or judgement of God so they will be fighting and killing one another claiming they are doing so for justice! Revelations 6:3-4

Matthew 24;
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people


How come the faithful are not saved from persecutions and death of these?

MaxInDHouse:
That's not even the case but Allah helplessly and hopelessly watches it's worshipers killing one another due to racial and political issues yet they claim Allah will judge.

Please do they truly believe Allah exists at all talkless of this deity being able to judge?

Can you tell me the which of the numerous wars in the world today are between Muslims.

Your scripture the Bible reads;
Matthew 24:6-7
6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

Is this what is happening as accurately stated in your book under the inspiration of your God or holy spirit?

MaxInDHouse:
It's everywhere that's why Boko Haram has a different ideology too but when counting the numbers of Muslims worldwide do you people count out terrorists like Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Shabab, Al-qaeda and their likes as no part of the Muslims in the world?
That's what makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES unique because according to them Christians globally today are less than 9 million which are members of their own group alone and that makes perfect sense since they only count those actively involved in the assignment Jesus who is called CHRIST gave his disciples! Act 1:8 compare to Matthew 28:19-20



Try to be sincere my friend Boko Haram once captured some part of the north and the first thing they established is SHARIA so everyone knows what they are fighting to establish!

The trickery present in wars claimed to be fueled by religion extends beyond mere exploitation of belief; it also involves the ways in which these distortions correspond with broader socio-political objectives. Understanding this relationship is crucial for addressing contemporary conflicts where religion plays a significant role.

There are instances of non-Muslims being involved with the group either through coercion, economic necessity, or complex local dynamics that blur traditional religious lines.

I see you allude to individualism in perception and relations with the supreme. We should leave this as is.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, monotheism simply means worship of one God the rest is the viewpoint of your own religion which comes from the book you read so stop deceiving yourself monotheism is the same everywhere the only thing that could make a difference is how it affects people both inside and outside your religion what your own God says can't be imposed on others as long as they are not moved with reasoning.

Oh really? Well Jehovah witness don't believe in trinity but believe God has a son. You asked what makes Islam different and have been told some.

I see you are not quite in agreement regarding your beliefs with other Christians too.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what Boko Haram is fighting for!

I don't know what Boko Haram wants but find it interesting you do. Whatever they want and do in their actions are contrary to Islam.

MaxInDHouse:
You said "let us reason" so i ask you:
Is Sharia only within the adherents of Islam as you were told or it affects everyone in a society where Muslims makes the majority?
If it's just within the adherents of your religion and not forced on those who wish not to be in your religion do you think it will have any impact?

Good you realise your delusion and attempt to put out a show. Hope your audience is entertained and you feel fulfilled? Is it east coast or west coast? Afrobeat, fusion, nollywood, bollywood or Hollywood?

Monotheism of Islam, is the most pure expression of the faith, focusing on the absolute Oneness of Allah. It prohibits intermediaries in worship and promotes a direct relationship with Allah without saints, clergy, or idols. Islam rejects the Trinity and polytheism, highlighting Allah's attributes without compromising His Oneness. Prophets from Adam to Muhammad convey this message, integrating all aspects of life with sincerity and obedience.

MaxInDHouse:
You said "let us reason" so i ask you:
Is Sharia only within the adherents of Islam as you were told or it affects everyone in a society where Muslims makes the majority?
If it's just within the adherents of your religion and not forced on those who wish not to be in your religion do you think it will have any impact?

When you don't know what the sharia is and how it applies to non muslims you cannot make good statements.

Where in Nigeria is the Sharia actually practiced?

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from bowing towards the black stone in Mecca what else is Islam?
Come on, whoever bears Arabic name and is bowing towards the black stone in Mecca is a Muslim the rest is story because all religions teaches people to do good so the only thing that makes a Muslim is Islamic name and bow towards the black stone in Mecca.

Good you show yourself that you were never a Muslim. You know absolutely nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you tell me what exactly do Boko Haram does that's not Islamic?
Guy, they are political fighters ready to die for the establishment of Sharia everywhere they go so as long as the government in power is not ready to implement Sharia they keep fighting to sabotage such a government in order to prove that such a government can't protect it's citizens, that's why they are fighting. Is there any other way you people can establish your religion anywhere without such act?

Good you answer yourself. Political fighters are not religious fighters. What do you know about Sharia? Where does Boko Haram say this is their goal?
The version of Sharia you claim they want to establish represents a considerable departure from the core principles of Islam, fundamentally conflicting with the values of justice and social progress highlighted in Islamic teachings.

MaxInDHouse:
Allah is the stone all Muslims bow to in Saudi Arabia just as Ṣàngó is the image his worshipers bow to both are monotheistic Gods and none between the two teaches people to steal or defraud others so what's the difference?


So whoever has the means must travel to Mecca for what reason o?

Is this what you were told in your lie that you were a Muslim?

MaxInDHouse:
So a Ṣàngó or Ògún worshiper who is doing all that but ignoring the Salat since he doesn't know your Allah will go to your heaven. Shey?
Guy you don't have to pretend i've been in that religion and i know how important the Salat is in Islam because that's the only reason why you can't condemn Boko Haram no matter the havoc this group is causing as long as they are responding to Salat.


Ok why must people travel to Saudi Arabia as part of what your Allah requires?
Why is it that throughout the world the call to prayer in your religion is done in Arabic?
Why is it that there is no Chief Iman whose say is stronger than that of Arabians from other races?
My friend you can say this to someone who knows nothing about Islam simply because i don't like going back into those stuff doesn't mean i have forgotten things that irritates me in that religion.


Are you sure?
Guy, why must everyone throughout the earth pray facing Mecca?

Your usual line. Do you use it to gain praise in JW? For how long were you a Muslim and are you certain it was no more than baring an arabic name?
Boko haram is condemned by Islam. They are widely condemned by mainstream Islamic teachings and by many Muslim leaders around the world. Their ideology does not reflect true Islamic principles but rather represents a radical deviation that has been rejected by most Muslims.

Worshipping Sango and or Ogun is worshipping others instead of or in association with Allah. This is Shirk.
Indeed you claim to know Islam but show you only pretend to know and know not.

Pilgrimage for hajj is a core principle but is not mandatory if you don't have the means. Don't you know this?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think anyone acknowledges the true God today without answering the call to Salat?

Of course not! Because according in Islam that is the only calling that has to do with pure worship acceptable to God. Right?

Same applies to the Israelites back in ancient times any other forms of worship is idolatry as long as it's not according to what God instituted in Israel. If other forms of worship is to be accepted by God then why propagate Islam? Why not leave everyone with the God of their choice? And don't come talking about monotheism because the worshipers of Ògún face only one God just as worshipers of Ṣàngó has only one God.


Hilarious!
Well are you an Arab?
Why do you practice the religion of Arabians?
Why calling people to worship in Arabic?

No, the call to Salat is not the sole fundamental aspect of pure worship that is pleasing to Allah. Although Salat is a key element of worship in Islam, pure worship involves a wider framework that includes sincerity, obedience, and devotion in every aspect of life.

Surah Saba (34:28), Allah says:
"And We have not sent you except comprehensively to mankind as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.
"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you." (Surah Al-Hujurat, 49:13).

An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white person has no superiority over a black person, nor does a black person have any superiority over a white person, except by piety and good action.

Very unlike Christianity and Judaism worship or covenants are not tied to a tribe or region which makes a form of racism enter their culture; Islam is not like this.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever wants the blessings of God according to the scriptures must accept the arrangement of worship established by God back then so if Keturah's children joined the Israelites they will become part of the covenant just as Rahab and Ruth who were never part of the Israelites nor having anything to do with the covenant benefited by abandoning the worship of their ancestors to join the Israelites in pure worship.
Both Rahab and Ruth were blessed to be counted as great grandmothers of Jesus the Messiah! Matthew 1:5


That covenant was about total annihilation of the entire human race and other creatures but the covenant God had with Israelites was that of pure worship so whoever is practicing any other forms of worship after the establishment of the nation of Israel has already been deprived of the blessings that comes from that covenant unless they leave such forms of worship and join the Israelites.


All Israelites are under the covenant of pure worship as long as they continue to participate in the arrangement Levites were only chosen to officiate in the arrangement it doesn't mean they are more blessed than other Israelites.

While the Bible does establish a distinct covenant with Israel that includes particular laws and practices for their worship, it does not suggest that only those within Israel can be regarded as true worshippers of God.

Jethro and the people of Nineveh illustrate elements of genuine worship by acknowledging God’s authority, even though they were from the Median and Assyrian cultures.

Will I be correct to conclude you are an Israelite who lost his geographic home?

MaxInDHouse:
Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah people who got married to the lineage of Abraham but the promise of pure worship was made only to the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so any child of Abraham that refused to accept this arrangement is cast out that's why you can't mention any prophet apart from those that descended from Jacob!

Elizabeth is related to Mary that doesn't necessarily mean both of them are of the same paternity their parents are Israelites who are able to marry any tribe in Israel but once a male child is born to the Levites he is a priest automatically.

Jeroboam established false religion that's why Jesus said Samaritans worship what they don't know {John 4:22} because the temple in Jerusalem is the authentic center for worship in ancient Israel!

Come let's reason.
Does the covenant apply to Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah exclusive of their people?

In earlier narrations the Noah's flood affected the whole world and a covenant was made; why then will the people amd their descendants be deprived of good haven survived?

Non Levites performed other roles within Israelite society and worship practices (e.g., judges, leaders) in agreement with the will of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you people say at least it's not your Allah rather the religion borrowed from Israel so why claim you people now know better than the Israelites whose history is never part of Arab's life?

Eh ya. Misplaced ideas of borrowing. Keturah, Rebecca and Zipporah are from where?

MaxInDHouse:
There was never an link between Aaron and Mary because she's from the tribe of Judah not Levi, Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons:
Reuben
Simʹe·on
Leʹvi*****
Judah
Isʹsa·char
Zebʹu·lun
Benjamin
Dan
Naphʹta·li
Gad
Ashʹer
Joseph
Descendants of Levi were chosen to operate in the house of their God that's where Moses and Aaron came from but as for Mary Jesus' mother she's from the tribe of Judah who are the descendants of David that's why Jesus was called the son of David.
So if any religion wants to correct anything in the history of Israelites please it can never ever be Arabians who were not directly related to Israel calling Mary the sister of Aaron is great BLUNDER and unacceptable!

Where there priests of non levi origins? Why is Mary a kindred of Elizabeth?

1Kings 12:31
Jeroboam built shrines on high places and appointed priests from all sorts of people, even though they were not Levites

MaxInDHouse:
Muhammad was never inspired he was doing cut and join regarding what he heard from the religion of Khadijat his sugar mummy.

So if you don't know something there's no need trying to defend it jọọ.

This notion is far from the truth.

Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, the first wife of Prophet Muhammad pbuh was never a Catholic or linked to Christianity. She was a respected noblewoman from the Quraysh tribe in Makkah, recognized for her integrity, intelligence, and successful business acumen. Before embracing Islam, she practiced the traditional monotheistic beliefs of the Hanifs, who followed the Abrahamic tradition and worshipped Allah without associating partners with Him. This background made her transition to Islam a natural one when the Prophet pbuh received his revelation.

MaxInDHouse:
Below is what we need from you Sir!

The relationship between Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Aaron an important figure in Jewish tradition raises interesting questions about the role of biology and heredity in sisterhood. While some interpretations may try to establish a direct biological link, it is important to note that the term "sister of Aaron," as mentioned in Islamic texts, is more symbolic than literal. This title reflects a shared spiritual heritage rather than a direct family connection (O Sister of Aaron, 2018). In this sense, Mary symbolizes not just an individual but a collective identity grounded in faith.

Additionally, viewing Mary's role through the lens of Jewish heritage highlights her symbolic importance. In Jewish tradition, figures like Mary can represent broader themes related to community identity and religious continuity (Mary in Jewish Tradition). This viewpoint suggests that Mary's importance goes beyond mere biological relationships; her connection to Aaron invites us to explore deeper ties among women in religious contexts. The sisterhood she represents resonates with shared responsibilities and roles traditionally assigned to women in priestly settings.

Therefore, while biology and heredity may influence identity within certain frameworks, they do not solely define significance. The spiritual kinship represented by Mary as "sister of Aaron" emphasizes how sisterhood can emerge from shared faith and responsibility rather than just biological ties (Mary, Personification of the Jewish People).

The wine in Paradise is truly a delight, devoid of the unpleasant effects that come with earthly wine, like intoxication or headaches. It represents eternal joy and the ultimate perfection of the blessings found in Jannah.

It is distinctly different from the wine in this world.

Your calls are no more than insultingly contemptuous. May you find satisfaction in minding your own way of life or religion without casting ignorant aspersions on what you know not about.

TenQ:
I understand that it is the spirit of Islam: I pray for your freedom and salvation!
The spirit of Islam hate the truth: they would say or do anything as long as their lies are defended!

Have a good night sleep

Yeah we here till you beat it up and come back again.
Though no assurance you can get from me another response

Lets outline key similarities between Yahweh and Allah, focusing on attributes, practices, and theological roles.

Both Yahweh and Allah are recognized as the One and Only God, denying any partners, equals, or physical forms.

Judaism: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One." (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Islam: "Say, 'He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge.'" (Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:1-2)

Creator and Sustainer:

Both are viewed as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, responsible for sustaining all life.
Genesis describes God creating the universe in six days (Genesis 1).
Allah is referred to as the Creator of all things in Surah Az-Zumar (39:62): "Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs."

Incorporeality (no physical form)

Yahweh and Allah are seen as incorporeal, transcendent, and beyond human understanding.

"God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent." (Numbers 23:19)
Islam: "There is nothing like unto Him." (Surah Ash-Shura 42:11)

Moral Authority and Lawgiver:

Both Yahweh and Allah provide comprehensive moral and legal frameworks for their followers.
Yahweh gave the Torah to Moses, outlining commandments and laws.
Allah revealed the Qur'an to Prophet Muhammad pbuh as a guide for personal and communal conduct.

Mercy and Justice:

Both are depicted as merciful yet just in their interactions with humanity.
Yahweh is described as "compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness." (Exodus 34:6)
Allah is often referred to as "The Most Merciful, The Most Compassionate" (Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem).

Differences Between Yahweh and Allah
Language and Conception:

Yahweh:Derived from the Hebrew root "YHWH," often interpreted as "I am who I am" (Exodus 3:14), highlighting God's eternal and self-existent nature.
Allah: The Arabic term "Allah" translates to "The God," representing the sole deity worshipped in Islam, and is also used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews.

Yahweh: Yahweh is deeply connected to a covenantal relationship with the people of Israel, often referred to as His "chosen people."
Allah: In Islam, Allah's message is universal, meant for all of humanity, as highlighted in the Qur'an (Surah Al-Anbiya 21:107): "We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds."

Names and Attributes:

Yahweh: Yahweh's uniqueness and often avoids using His name directly, opting for titles like "Adonai" (Lord) or "HaShem" (The Name).
n Islam, Allah is described through 99 Names (Asma’ul Husna), each representing a divine attribute, such as Ar-Rahman (The Most Merciful) and Al-Malik (The Sovereign).
Scriptural Revelation:

Yahweh: The Torah and the Hebrew Bible are regarded as the primary revelations, with Yahweh communicating directly with prophets like Moses.
Allah: The Qur'an is seen as Allah's final and most complete revelation, delivered through the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Intercessors and Prophets:

Yahweh: Christianity and Judaism do not recognize Muhammad pbuh as a prophet, and their understanding of intercession is limited to figures like Moses, or Jesus in Christianity

Islam acknowledges a succession of prophets, including Moses, but regards Muhammad pbuh as the Seal of the Prophets. Islam also denies the concept of Jesus as the Son of God.

TenQ:
Show me anywhere I asked you about the Jewish and Christian view of son of God?

My questions were well laid out and NUMBERED.
Some of them require just YES or NO as answers!

BUT, no: you must answer questions I did not ask you!

For avoidance of doubt: Here are the Questions again>renumbered



You very well know that I am not even discussing the Trinity with you to show he difference between Allah and YHWH the God of the Jews andChristians.
I have simply used the character and nature of YHWH
1. Is it true that YHWH has [b]sons in the scripture of the Jews and Christians[/b]?
2. Is it true that YHWH do sometimes enter His creation in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?
3. Is it true that YHWH punishes even His prophets when they commit sin in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?

4. In which of these three ways is Allah like YHWH in these three questions above?


5. Tell me which Christian sect say that Allah is the third of three?
For this is either a lie from Allah or a strawman argument according to Quran 5:73
6. Allah says that if he wanted a son, he would have taken it from "amongst us": please tell me who are these partners of Allah? Are they the Houris?
7. How do you explain that the same verse that denied the trinity is the same verse promoting the Trinity of Jesus Quran 4:171
8. According the the scriptures of the jews and Scripture of the Christians, does their God have many children (not just one) like David, Solomon, the Angels, the Christians, Jesus contrary to Quran 19:88-92 ? Its a YES or NO Question.


All you need to Admit is that Allah is NOT the same as YHWH and stop attributing our God as your Allah!

Four simple questions BUT predictably , I expect you to go at tangent to them as you hate the truth.
You have created Allah in your own image and it is becoming a problem that can only be solved by lies and fabrications

I have emboldened questions answered from your repost.

You sure had a very brief or quick night 🤣🤣🤣

TenQ:
As predicted, I gave you four questions: you wouldn't answer because they betray the error and lack of understanding of God the Creator


You very well know that I am not even discussing the Trinity with you to show he difference between Allah and YHWH the God of the Jews andChristians.
I have simply used the character and nature of YHWH
1. Is it true that YHWH has [b]sons in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?
2. Is it true that YHWH do sometimes enter His creation in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?
3. Is it true that YHWH punishes even His prophets when they commit sin in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?[/b]


In which of these three ways is Allah like YHWH?


1. Tell me which Christian sect say that Allah is the third of three?
For this is either a lie from Allah or a strawman argument according to Quran 5:73
2. Allah says that if he wanted a son, he would have taken it from "amongst us": please tell me who are these partners of Allah? Are they the Houris?
3. How do you explain that the same verse that denied the trinity is the same verse promoting the Trinity of Jesus Quran 4:171
4. According the the scriptures of the jews and Scripture of the Christians, does their God have many children (not just one) like David, Solomon, the Angels, the Christians, Jesus contrary to Quran 19:88-92 ? Its a YES or NO Question.


All you need to Admit is that Allah is NOT the same as YHWH and stop attributing our God as your Allah!

Four simple questions BUT predictably , I expect you to go at tangent to them as you hate the truth.
You have created Allah in your own image and it is becoming a problem that can only be solved by lies and fabrications

TenQ:
Why are you afraid of the TRUTH?
Face it and i guarantee that you'd be FREE!

If you wont respond to my questions one by one, there is no point continuing. Repeating the same standard Islamic narrative is a curse and the chain of satan.

Whenever you are ready to answer the questions I posed ONE AT A TIME, I will re-engage you.

Otherwise, have a good night. I pray that God have mercy on you!

In truth you have convinced me that you cannot read to understand. Don't you see answer to 2 of 3 of your questions explaining the Jewish and Christian view of son of God??

TenQ:
Since you won't answer my questions, have a nice day!

When you know the TRUTH and CHOOSE IT, it sets you Free!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

In Judaism, the phrase "sons of God" is often used metaphorically to refer to Israel, kings, or celestial beings. [/b]In Christianity, Jesus is uniquely recognized as "the Son of God," while believers and angels may be considered "sons" in a derivative or adoptive sense.

In Jewish theology, God is viewed as transcendent, yet He sometimes reveals His presence in ways that engage directly with His creation. [b]These revelations are not seen as God fully "entering" creation in a physical form, but rather as mediated appearances or expressions of His presence. Both Judaism and Christianity affirm that God interacts with creation, but Christianity expands on this idea with the concept of the incarnation. Jewish texts typically describe God's presence as mediated and non-physical.

The last question has been answered in a previous post.

TenQ:
As predicted, I gave you four questions: you wouldn't answer because they betray the error and lack of understanding of God the Creator


You very well know that I am not even discussing the Trinity with you to show he difference between Allah and YHWH the God of the Jews andChristians.
I have simply used the character and nature of YHWH
1. Is it true that YHWH has sons in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?
2. Is it true that YHWH do sometimes enter His creation in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?
3. Is it true that YHWH punishes even His prophets when they commit sin in the scripture of the Jews and Christians?


In which of these three ways is Allah like YHWH?


1. Tell me which Christian sect say that Allah is the third of three?
For this is either a lie from Allah or a strawman argument according to Quran 5:73
2. Allah says that if he wanted a son, he would have taken it from "amongst us": please tell me who are these partners of Allah? Are they the Houris?
3. How do you explain that the same verse that denied the trinity is the same verse promoting the Trinity of Jesus Quran 4:171
4. According the the scriptures of the jews and Scripture of the Christians, does their God have many children (not just one) like David, Solomon, the Angels, the Christians, Jesus contrary to Quran 19:88-92 ? Its a YES or NO Question.


All you need to Admit is that Allah is NOT the same as YHWH and stop attributing our God as your Allah!

Four simple questions BUT predictably , I expect you to go at tangent to them as you hate the truth.
You have created Allah in your own image and it is becoming a problem that can only be solved by lies and fabrications

Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:3):
He neither begets nor is born."

Surah Maryam (19:88-92):
And they say, 'The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son.' You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation, that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son."

Surah Al-An'am (6:101):
"He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion, and He created all things?"

Surah Yunus (10:68):
"They say, 'Allah has taken a son.' Exalted is He; He is the Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth."

In Jewish thought, God is seen as indivisible and transcendent, existing beyond human form or familial ties. The idea of God having a son would suggest a division in God's unity, which goes against the fundamental belief in God's Oneness.
Incorporeality of God:

Judaism teaches that God is completely spiritual and incorporeal, as highlighted in Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent." The concept of God having a physical son or fathering children contradicts this belief.

God is self-sufficient and eternal, not requiring offspring for continuation or succession. This stands in contrast to the human desire for children to preserve lineage or legacy.

Jewish theology consistently dismisses anthropomorphic representations of God. Terms like "God's son" are interpreted metaphorically, symbolizing a close relationship or covenant (for instance, Israel is referred to as God’s "firstborn son" in Exodus 4:22), rather than implying literal parentage.

In ancient times, surrounding pagan religions often portrayed gods with children, but Judaism firmly rejected such ideas to highlight the uniqueness and holiness of Yahweh.

Judaism's theological focus on God's unity and transcendence ensures that ideas like divine sonship are understood as symbolic rather than literal. This viewpoint contrasts sharply with Christian beliefs regarding the Trinity and the divine sonship of Jesus.

TenQ:
Are you saying that Allah contradicts himself in the Quran?
He just told mohammed to tell you Muslims that he is the same as the God of the Jews and Christians and thus you submit yourself to their God.

But you and I know that you do not submit to YHWH and neither is Allah the same identity as YHWH!

You need validation from us but we don't need any validation from you Muslims

1. Tell me which Christian sect say that Allah is the third of three?
For this is either a lie from Allah or a strawman argument according to Quran 5:73
2. Allah says that if he wanted a son, he would have taken it from "amongst us": please tell me who are these partners of Allah? Are they the Houris?

The same God of those who genuinely believe in a singular God of pure monotheism.

What is the difference between trinity and the father amongst the three?

Again your wisdom doesn't extend to understanding the rhetoric.
This verse is often understood to highlight Allah's complete transcendence and singularity, firmly rejecting any idea of God having a literal son . Although the wording may prompt questions about "from amongst us," it does not suggest that Allah has "partners" in the sense of equals or co-divine beings.

The intention here is not to imply the existence of divine entities alongside Allah, but rather to present a logical argument demonstrating that such a notion is both unnecessary and contradictory to Allah's essence. The verse seeks to counter claims made by groups that attribute sons to God, including certain interpretations of Christian or pagan beliefs prevalent at the time.

TenQ:
I get you, your almighty Allah is not articulate enough nor have the ability of speaking to his supposed creation in a simple clear language of his mind. Thus he needs you to write lengthy tafsirs so that his words can be understood.


Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".


Except you think you are better than Allah in communication, then have your way!


Have a nice day

Simply because you disregard despite your superior expertise on the Quran in favour of other verses you inadequately understand.


Surah An-Nisa (4:171):

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, 'Three'; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."

This verse clearly admonishes against the belief in the Trinity and reaffirms monotheism.

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:73):

"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.' And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment."


Surah Maryam (19:88-92):

"And they say, 'The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son.' You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son."

TenQ:
Is the words of Allah precise and adequate for communication to mankind?

If it is, there is no need for other tafsirs other than what Allah has said: except you wish to correct Allah


Therefore, Let Allah speak for you sir!

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".


Except you think you are better than Allah in communication, then have your way!

In whichever way it suits you please. Nevertheless you obviously know:

The concept of Jesus as the Son of God and a member of the Trinity poses a theological challenge to strict monotheistic beliefs, such as those found in Judaism and Islam, which stress the oneness and indivisibility of God. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity a view comprising the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three distinct persons within one divine essence differs greatly from the strictly unitary view of God upheld in other monotheistic faiths.

For strict monotheists, the notion that God can exist as three persons while remaining one being may appear contradictory. This distinction is seen as undermining the absolute oneness of God.

The belief that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human is another contentious issue. Many monotheists find the idea of God taking on human form incompatible with the divine nature, which they perceive as transcendent and beyond human limitations.

The act of worshiping Jesus alongside the Father and the Holy Spirit can be viewed as a departure from the exclusive devotion to one God, which is central to monotheistic traditions like Islam and Judaism.

From a Christian viewpoint, the doctrine of the Trinity is understood as a revelation of God's nature rather than a contradiction of monotheism. Christians maintain that the Trinity does not suggest three gods but rather one God in three persons, each fully divine and sharing the same essence.

The New Testament refers to Jesus as the "Son of God" and describes the Holy Spirit as divine, providing a theological foundation for the Trinity. For Christians, this is a mystery of faith that goes beyond human logic but is not inherently illogical.

Judaism firmly adheres to the Shema: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4). The concept of the Trinity is inconsistent with Jewish theology. Islam emphasizes tawhid, the absolute oneness of Allah, and explicitly rejects the Trinity in the Qur'an (Surah 4:171), cautioning against associating partners with God. This theological difference emphasizes the unique ways these faiths perceive and engage with the divine, serving as a key topic for discussion and debate among various religious traditions.

Therein lies the question on your insistence on a verse of the Quran where my view and your view of God are different. It's your view and you have every right to keep it. Your concept of God is different from mine. That's all.