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TenQ:
Let Allah speak for you sir!

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".


You are consumed by your own deception!

TenQ:
Don't change the subject!

Is it untrue your Quran says "We have submitted ourselves to His will".

TenQ:
Muslims can tell lies for the continent of Africa

Why then do you submit to him (the God of the people of the book)

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".


You are consumed by your own deception!

TenQ:
According to Allah, this original gods of Israel is himself!
SMH!

Is the verse below UNTRUE?
Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".

TenQ:
You make my point sir.
Meaning that Allah and YHWH are not the same personality!
YHWH punishes even his prophets when they commit sins unlike Allah!

TenQ:
Have a nice day!

But its not my concept of God, it is the concept of God in the earlier revealed scriptures.
Allah does not punish his prophets for any sin unlike YHWH who exposes and punishes even His prophets

YHWH can enter His creation but Allah cannot enter his creation.

There are so many differences between Allah and YHWH to conclude that they are not the same Being.


Again, please have a nice day.

TenQ:
I think we should end this debate at this point.

But I want you highlight the fact that

The bottom line is that
Allah is certainly NOT the same person as YHWH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As YHWH do appoint SONS but Allah CANNOT.

One of the greatest deception in Islam is the verse below. On this assumption all of Islam hang

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".

TenQ:
You should thank me for teaching you that your prophet consider himself a Khalilullah. Don't forget that
1. You first said that I should prove it
2. After I gave you hadiths, you said the hadiths were Maudu
3. With further corroborating with Islamic sites you have accepted that your prophet is also Khalilullah


The bottom line is that
Allah is certainly NOT the same person as YHWH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As YHWH do appoint SONS but Allah CANNOT.

One of the greatest deception in Islam is the verse below. On this assumption all of Islam hang

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book except only by the best manner, except the unjust among them. Tell them, "We believe in what is revealed to us and to you. Our Lord and your Lord is one. We have submitted ourselves to His will".

Ohyoudidnt:
[/quote][quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=132947609]You first start with a fabricated hadith then the other however you fail to understand that the primary book for Muslims doesn't describe prophet Muhammad pbuh in this way.

The Qur'an presents the Prophet Muhammad pbuh in various ways, emphasizing his role as the final messenger, a mercy for all beings, and a guiding example for the faithful:

"Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for anyone who hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often."Quran 33:21

Hadith literature enhances the understanding of the Qur'an by offering deeper insights into the life and significance of the Prophet pbuh. Sahih Muslim 532 is considered authentic in its context and highlights the Prophet's pbuh esteemed position, which is consistent with the overarching themes of Islamic theology. The term "Khalil" underscores his intimate relationship with Allah, yet it does not conflict with the Qur'anic message; it merely lacks explicit confirmation in those precise words.

TenQ:
All the questions I asked you had a yes or no answer. You answered every other questions except the ones I asked you.


Is it untrue that Only Allah can make a person Khalilullah, no amount of piety can make you qualified for this status.

TenQ:
Only Allah can make a person Khalilullah, no amount of piety can make you qualified for this status.


The best any muslim can become is an Awliyah


Is it untrue that Mohammed is the best Muslim?
If this was true, why is Mohammed NOT a Khalilullah?


If this was true, why is any of the "Rightly Guided Caliphs" NOT a Khalilullah?
If this was true, why is Bilal NOT a Khalilullah?

TenQ:
No sir.
You disbelieved in the hadith as Maudu.

Ohyoudidnt:
You first start with a fabricated hadith then the other however you fail to understand that the primary book for Muslims doesn't describe prophet Muhammad pbuh in this way.

The Qur'an presents the Prophet Muhammad pbuh in various ways, emphasizing his role as the final messenger, a mercy for all beings, and a guiding example for the faithful:

"Indeed, you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for anyone who hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often."Quran 33:21

Hadith literature enhances the understanding of the Qur'an by offering deeper insights into the life and significance of the Prophet pbuh. Sahih Muslim 532 is considered authentic in its context and highlights the Prophet's pbuh esteemed position, which is consistent with the overarching themes of Islamic theology. The term "Khalil" underscores his intimate relationship with Allah, yet it does not conflict with the Qur'anic message; it merely lacks explicit confirmation in those precise words.

TenQ:
Sunan Ibn Majah 141
" The Messenger of Allah said:'[s]Allah has taken me as a close friend (Khalil)[/s]as He took Ibrahim as a close friend. [s]So my house and the house of Ibrahim will be opposite to one another on the Day of Resurrection[s], [s]and 'Abbas will be in between us,[s]a believer between two close friends.'"( Maudu)


Sahih Muslim 532 http://pureislam.net/HadeethTexts/Index/287
Jundub ibn ‘Abdullāh (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) five (nights) before he died, saying: "I stand acquitted before Allah that I took anyone of you as an intimate friend, for Allah has taken me as an intimate friend just as he took Ibrahīm as an intimate friend. Had I taken anyone from my nation as an intimate friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as an intimate friend. Beware! Those who were before you used to take the graves of their prophets as places for prayer. Beware! Do not take tombs as places for prayer, for I forbid you to do so."
https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/3347

TenQ:
Only Allah can make a person Khalilullah, no amount of piety can make you qualified for this status.


The best any muslim can become is an Awliyah


Is it untrue that Mohammed is the best Muslim?
If this was true, why is Mohammed NOT a Khalilullah?


If this was true, why is any of the "Rightly Guided Caliphs" NOT a Khalilullah?
If this was true, why is Bilal NOT a Khalilullah?

TenQ:
How many Khalil exist in the whole world?
How many Awliyah exist in the whole world?

And you still think they are synonyms!?
A Muslim will continue to struggle against the truth: it is their nature!


I did not ask you if Ibrahim was pious or not.
1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?
4. Is the friendship of Allah with Ibrahim physical or spiritual?

TenQ:
How many Khalil exist in the whole world?
How many Awliyah exist in the whole world?

And you still think they are synonyms!?
A Muslim will continue to struggle against the truth: it is their nature!


I did not ask you if Ibrahim was pious or not.
1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?
4. Is the friendship of Allah with Ibrahim physical or spiritual?



https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/04/21/allah-is-khalil-prophet/

Check if this is Maudu or Sahih in grade. Can you see how muslim scholars are confused as their followers


No sir.
Riyad as-Salihin 423 shows Allah saying that he wants a people who would commit sin BUT ask for forgiveness.
If a people refuse to commit sins, Allah will destroy them and replace them with people who would commit sins BUT ask for forgiveness.

You cannot reinterpret what is so plainly said!

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".




My scope with you is NOT about Awliyah nor Wali BUT Khalil as only Allah can call a person Khalilullah.

At least you have concurred that not even Mohammed with all his piety and religion is the Khalil of Allah. The best Mohammed is, is as an Awliyah of Allah.

Does it diminish Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?
Does it connote a dependency of Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?

You Muslims refuse to note that just as Allah chose Abraham as a friend, he could have said: Abraham is my son and there is NOTHING anyone could have said about it.

TenQ:
Does Islam teach you that you exist before your creation?

TenQ:
1. At least you know that I am speaking in terms of Khalil and not Awliyah
2. Even you acknowledged that Awliyah and Khalil are NOT synonymous
3. According to you not even Mohammed is the Khalil of Allah, Mohammed is just an Awliyah of Allah while only Abraham is the Khalil of Allah

TenQ:
Now, we are back to square ONE you initially avoided:
a. Allah chose to call Ibrahim Khalil as the way he relates to him
b. No human being by choice can call himself Khalilullah by his own will

Same with sonship of God YHWH
a. God YHWH chooses to call whomever He will His Child/Son as a way He relates to him
b. No human being by choice can call himself Son of God by his own will

Of course this relationship is not physical but relational and spiritual
Is the friendship of Allah with Ibrahim physical or spiritual?

While believers can develop a close relationship with Allah, the title of Khalilullah signifies a distinct and unmatched connection. Prophets such as Ibrahim a.s and Muhammad s a.w were honored with this title because of their extraordinary devotion and the challenges they faced. Nevertheless, all believers are urged to seek Allah’s love and friendship.

Israelites recognised people and deemed them fit to be called sons of God by their ays. This was/is purely symbolic

The relationship between Allah and Ibrahim was both physical and spiritual as seen in his worship and physical favours.

[quote author=TenQ post=132948455]I didnt fabricate your hadith, I only Quoted the hadiths from your scholars: its your problem not mine.
BTW: many Islamic scholars will argue with you that Mohammed is also the Khalil of Allah
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/04/21/allah-is-khalil-prophet/ see the hafith as Sahih

You have actually helped my case in that you have concurred that only Allah can call any human Khalil but every muslim can strive to be Awliyah to Allah.

The Quran was revealed long after Abraham. Which book was given to Abraham?

You shared two hadith and despite seeing mawdu with one you figured it useful to your argument and presented it yet you blame me?

[quote author=TenQ post=132948455]1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?

TenQ:
The purpose of Allah is summarised in the hadith below

Riyad as-Salihin 423
Abu Ayyub Khalid bin Zaid (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Were you not to commit sins, Allah would create people who would commit sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive them".


This is the need of Allah!

TenQ:
The point is that Awliyah and Khalil are NOT synonymous.
It is possible that I am you Awliyah but NOT your Khalil

This distinction is sufficient as this is not a political debate.


At least you have concurred that not even Mohammed with all his piety and religion is the Khalil of Allah. The best Mohammed is, is as an Awliyah of Allah.

Does it diminish Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?
Does it connote a dependency of Allah to choose Abraham (a sinner) as a friend?

Logic deludes you Muslims to note that just as Allah chose Abraham as a friend, he could have said: Abraham is my son
It is the same logic except that Muslims do not think neither do they choose the truth

TenQ:
My spirit was NOT in existence before I was conceived.

In fact, by Body, Soul and Spirit ALL came into being when I was conceived and not earlier.

Does Islam teach you that you exist before your creation?

TenQ:
I answered your question, so please answer mine too.

Ohyoudidnt:
You don't deny his humanity good. What about who you have known as Melchizedek?

Was your spirit in existence before you were born or conceived in your mother's womb?

TenQ:
I believe I asked you a simple question:
According to Allah, did Jesus existed before He was blown into Mary?

And since you change the topic to Melchizedek, then you must also answer this question for us to move forward.
Who is Al-Khidr and Is Al-Khidr acting in the will of Allah by killing the boy to the dismay of Moses?



Melchizedek is an enigma in the bible: However what is known about him is that
1. Unlike Levitical priests, whose qualifications depended on their genealogical descent from Aaron, Melchizedek’s priesthood was not based on any ancestry.
2. Unlike Levitical priests, whose qualification terminates at death, Melchizedek’s priesthood and priestly role is presented without reference to his birth or death, symbolizing an eternal priesthood.
3. Melchizedek’s is an example of the Priesthood of Jesus Christ which is NOT from the tribe of Levi and is without end. In Israel, the Lineage of Judah produced the Kings of Israel while the tribe of Levi produced the priests of Israel. Jesus is of the tribe of Judah and not Levi BUT is a priest of a new Order.
Other than this, not much detail is spoken about Melchizedek.

TenQ:
Awliyah just mean either Allies or Helper abd NOT close friends

If Awliyah means friends exactly like Khalil why do you think Mohammed is not Khalilullah?

TenQ:
If Awliyah means friends exactly like Khalil why do you think Mohammed is not Khalilullah?



Sunan Ibn Majah 141
"The Messenger of Allah said: 'Allah has taken me as a close friend (Khalil) as He took Ibrahim as a close friend. So my house and the house of Ibrahim will be opposite to one another on the Day of Resurrection, and 'Abbas will be in between us, a believer between two close friends.'"(Maudu)


Sahih Muslim 532 http://pureislam.net/HadeethTexts/Index/287
Jundub ibn ‘Abdullāh (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) five (nights) before he died, saying: "I stand acquitted before Allah that I took anyone of you as an intimate friend, for Allah has taken me as an intimate friend just as he took Ibrahīm as an intimate friend. Had I taken anyone from my nation as an intimate friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as an intimate friend. Beware! Those who were before you used to take the graves of their prophets as places for prayer. Beware! Do not take tombs as places for prayer, for I forbid you to do so."
https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/3347

TenQ:
He created man and Jinn to worship him isnt it?
It is just pure english language

What happens if man and Jinn do not worship Allah?

TenQ:
Really!?
Just exactly like Donald Trump went to North korea to visit Kim Jong Un and gave him a vehicle showing that they are good friends.
You see why I sound hard towards you: simple truth is difficult for you to say.

You seem not to comprehend that
Russia supported United Nations Security Council (UNSC) sanctions against North Korea, particularly between 2006 and 2017, in response to North Korea’s nuclear and missile tests. For example, Russia backed UNSC Resolutions 2270 (2016) and 2321 (2016), which imposed severe economic restrictions on North Korea, including a cap on coal exports—one of North Korea's major revenue sources

TenQ:

1. Is it true that Any muslim can strive to be Awliya of Allah but NO muslim call himself khalilulLah?
2. Is it true that Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

TenQ:
No one denies that Jesus was a real physical being just like Adam, David, Solomon, and we Christians who are also called Children of God!


Do you deny that Adam, David, Solomon, Israel, every peacemaker and us Christians are physical and biological beings?


Did God physically give birth to Adam, David, Solomon, Israel, every peacemaker and us Christians who individually are children of God?
The answer is NO!

Let me ask you a basic question:
According to Allah, did Jesus existed before He was blown into Mary?

TenQ:
Yes, I TOTALLY deny the biological sonship of Jesus.
In Christian theology, Jesus is not considered the biological son of God in the sense of physical parentage, as God is spirit and does not have a physical body (John 4:24). Instead, Jesus is referred to as the Son of God in a theological and spiritual sense, signifying His unique relationship with God the Father.

I challenge you to find even a single sect of heretical christian that thinks that Jesus is a biological son of God.

TenQ:
Strawman argument again. No christian nor Jew allude physical sonship to anyone.

TenQ:
Tell me, How many khalilulLah do you know in this world (apart from Abraham and Mohammed)?

You very well know that I am not speaking to you about the Awliya of Allah for these are Helpers and at best Allies.

Do you understand how Putin (Russia) and Kim Jong Un (North Korea) are Awliya of each other BUT not khalil of each other?

Any muslim can strive to be Awliya of Allah but can any muslim call himself khalilulLah ?



You just asserted that Allah DEPENDS on the worship from his slaves.
Thus you Muslims are helping (Awliya) Allah

Do you think God depends on the help of men?


So, when a parent disciplines his child, it is a kind of blackmail and force!?
Can you please give a historical text that explicitly rejects Lk 19:41-44 from 70AD?

TenQ:
You just asserted that Allah DEPENDS on the worship from his slaves.
Thus you Muslims are helping (Awliya) Allah

Do you think God depends on the help of men?

TenQ:
Do you understand how Putin (Russia) and Kim Jong Un (North Korea) are Awliya of each other BUT not khalil of each other?

TenQ:
Can you please give a historical text that explicitly rejects Lk 19:41-44 from 70AD?

TenQ:
The highlighted is NO sir!
Because Jesus existed BEFORE He was Born (even in Islam). Thus Jesus's sonship is NOT Biological.

As you rightly noted: 2 Samuel 7:14 shows that the Relationship is RELATIONAL: meaning BELOVED above ALL with a relationship that is FAMILIAL


I am using ISLAM for you.
But notwithstanding, every human being is just at best an APE if he is not a child of God.
This misunderstanding is what makes Islam and Mohammed unable to explain the meaning of God creating Adam in His own Image!

Do you know the meaning?


Does it diminish Allah to choose Abraham as a friend?
Does it connote a dependency of Allah to choose Abraham as a friend?

Logic deludes you Muslims to note that just as Allah chose Abraham as a friend, he could have said: Abraham is my son
It is the same logic except that Muslims do not think neither do they choose the truth


Jews and Christians speak the Truth according to their scripture.

In the Scripture of the Jews and the Christians
YHWH is the Father of Angels
YHWH is the Father of Adam
YHWH is the Father of Israel (as a Nation)
YHWH is the Father of David
YHWH is the Father of Solomon
YHWH is the Father of Peacemakers
YHWH is the Father of Christians
YHWH is the Father of Jesus Christ

The term "Sons of God" are those whom God YHWH Himself choose to call His Sons. No one can arrogate the Title to himself by choice or will.

Is Allah a father to ANYONE in Islam?


Here is where Jesus pronounced the Judgement of Jerusalem

Luke 19:41-44
"If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you."

Can you see that you know not the scriptures not prophecies.

Does Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

God YHWH called David, Solomon and the Peacemakers his sons: these are no tribes but people. And the argument of Allah still break down.
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'

TenQ:
Our interactions can be respectful and cordial when it is based on truths from historical, logical and empirical sources. It becomes hard only when intellectual dishonesty is applied with simple questions. It is difficult getting the truth out of a Muslim: very difficult.

Example: Why do you Muslims like strawman argument.
Even though you know know well by context that not one Christian or Jew ever insinuated a biological reproduction by God?
Why is it that this is what you always defend and refute at the same time?

WHOEVER GOD CALLS HIS SON BECOMES HIS SON: IT MEANS THAT SUCH A CREATURE HAS BEEN ELEVATED FROM SLAVERY TO A HIGH STATUS WITH A RELATIONSHIP BASED ON LOVE AS SONS IS TO THEIR FATHER


On this issue, are you saying that the Kunfayakun of Allah cannot make a pronouncement that an obedient slave has a special relationship with him.
1. Who made Ibrahim the Friend of Allah? Does God NEED a friend? Is this a kind of dependency?
2. Do you think any human being is qualified to make himself a friend of Allah?
3. Does Allah have the right and power to make anyone of his obedient creatures his friend?



Does Allah gives preference to some people over others in Islam?

God YHWH called David, Solomon and the Peacemakers his sons: these are no tribes but people. And the argument of Allah still break down.
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


All Jews were driven out of Israel by the Romans at 70 AD. This was what got them into the Arabian peninsula and every nation of the world. Even their temple was totally destroyed to the foundation. The land of Israel became desolate baren lands. It is not even the first nor second time that the whole of Israel would be deported out of Israel. Learn your history sir. Those who finally returned back became scavengers in the land God promised them.

TenQ:
I honestly understand you very well. Even the times when the Jews were in Arabia (during the time of your Prophet Mohammed), they were under the punishment of YHWH but this doesn't stop their sonship. God uses nations even more wicked than them to punish the Jews , like when you prophet killed about 700 Jewish men of Banu Qurayza tribe

In the Scripture of the Jews and the Christians
YHWH is the Father of Angels
YHWH is the Father of Adam
YHWH is the Father of Israel (as a Nation)
YHWH is the Father of David
YHWH is the Father of Solomon
YHWH is the Father of Peacemakers
YHWH is the Father of Christians
YHWH is the Father of Jesus Christ

The term "Sons of God" are those whom God YHWH Himself call His Sons. No one can arrogate the Title to himself by choice or will.

It is at least clear to you Muslims that Allah of Islam is NOT the YHWH of the Jews and Christians.

Quran 29:46 is thus a blatant LIE from the Deceiver

Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is One. And to Him we submit.”

YHWH the God of the CHristians and Jews do punish them severely when they sin against Him unlike Allah and I can give you several verses to buttress this up

The argument of Allah is what I want to deal with here
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'




To properly clarify this, a single question to be asked is this below
Is Allah the father of Anyone in Islam?

Kukutente23:
Did anyone tell you those people are jobless? We are talking of poverty due to high cost of living you are speaking of earning a living. Are you by any means blaming the victims of the harsh policies of this govt?

TenQ:
So, why did you forget Allahs wonderful argument which he used to buttress his point

Did Allah not tell Mohammed to:
Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'
if indeed the Jews and Christians are God's children!


I noted all what Allah said BUT this argument is my bone of contention.

Is it a reasonable argument?

TenQ:
Here is it



I posted it and asked you the simple question. Are you scared of betraying common sense?
Is my question too difficult for you?
Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you?

Again:

Qur'an 5:18
"But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


Meaning that:
A good father doesn't discipline his children!
Or
If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours!


So, I ask:
Is this true also for you?
Do you discipline your own children and WHY?

It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance!

You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish!

TenQ:
I posted it and asked you the simple question. Are you scared of betrayin g common sense?
Is my question too difficult for you?
Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you?

Again:

Qur'an 5:18
"But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


Meaning that:
A good father doesn't discipline his children!
Or
If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours!


So, I ask:
Is this true also for you?
Do you discipline your own children and WHY?

It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance!

You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish!

Kukutente23:
Education cannot cure hunger. Go listen to the video. The woman thought the money was a normal largesse from govt. Afterwards she plead for hunger to be reduced.
How will you tell a hungry person not to sell his vote because of some high sounding morality

TenQ:
Is my question too difficult for you?
Or do you think that the true answers you should have given are embarrassing to you?

Again:

Qur'an 5:18
"But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


Meaning that:
A good father doesn't discipline his children!
Or
If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours!


So, I ask:
Is this true also for you?
Do you discipline your own children and WHY?

It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance!

You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish!

TenQ:
Qur'an 5:18
"But the Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and His beloved.' Say, 'Then why does He punish you for your sins?'


Meaning that:
A good father doesn't discipline his children!
Or
If a father truely loves you, he wouldn't punish your for your misbehaviours!


So, I ask:
Is this true also for you?
Do you discipline your own children and WHY?

It is a YES or NO question sir before you explain why you take your stance!

You can see how Allah's argument is ludicrously childish!