TenQ: Sorry to disappoint you: watch the clip the hadiths are displayed there. You need me to spoon feed you? The clip is the Reference except you are dodging as usual.
Muslims are the champions of LIES, this is why you yourselves (Muslims) claim that the majority of your hadiths are FABRICATIONS!
Even Allah is a LIAR In one verse, Adam was created with his hands In another verse, Adam was created by Kunfayakun!
It's either Allah aka Mohammed is forgetful or fabricating lies at the go!
Allah says he is the same as the God of the Jews and Christians BUT you and I know that Allah is not YHWH.
Like DEITY like Worshippers!
Again, watch the video and you will find at least two Hadiths discussed
Can you tell me why Islam and Buddhism are so ALIKE? Is Buddha another Messanger of Allah? Check the attached pictures
Extremely simple request you are flying like a dragon all over the place. Quote the hadith of Allah's sperm bank in full not by video and reference to where it can be seen. Which book and which number?
Obviously neither you nor you Hatun can as you obviously lie in negation of what your Jesus asks of you.
SIRTee15: Let me take U on the trinity. Once we start pls don't run I will force your brain to accept trinity by the time we done. U will admit there is no contradiction in trinity but it makes perfect sense. The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob can have no other nature but to betriune. THAT'S WHO HE IS IN EXISTENCE. I don't know about the one Muhammed called his God. That one may not be triune, I dont know.
BUT THE ALMIGHTY SUPREME SOVEREIGN GOD IS TRIUNE.
ITS CONFIRMED IN THE TANAKH, THE TORAH AND THE NEW TESTAMENT. THE PATRAICH BELIEVED IT, THE ANCIENT JEWS Believed IT AND WE CHRISTIANS ALSO Believed IN HIM WHO IS ETERNALLY TRIUNE.
If U are ready to take the challenge, let's go.
Go on and clarify or confirm. I doubt you can remove any confusion in what is called trinity
GothamCities: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. However, all administration resides in the Father. The three have one mind. The Father is the Administrator while the Son is the Executor. The Holy Spirit is the Operator or 'Manifestor'.
For example, whatever the Father wants to do, He simply Speaks it. The Son who is the Word of the Father goes out to make it happen. The Holy Spirit then manifests what the Word (Son) has accomplished.
Isaiah 34:16 says: “His mouth has commanded it and His Spirit hath gathered them.”
This verse above shows the Trinity in action. His mouth commands. That's the Word sent out. His Spirit gathers or manifests what the Word has accomplished.
This is what Jesus meant. Whatever the Father does in His Mind is carried out by the Son and manifested by the Holy Ghost.
The Father administers the universe through His Word (The Son) and His Holy Spirit.
Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?
The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb
SIRTee15: Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir. Is it possible for a spirit to die. Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.
The result of killing someone is death or dying isn't it? What plausible explanation for the presence of kill in that verse if it has no relation to dying of both the body and soul?
SIRTee15: Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir. Is it possible for a spirit to die. Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.
Your Bible says both soul and body can be destroyed. Is this different from death?
TenQ: Here was what I said again and see where the hadith was discussed
Fake prophets are worse in that they have no remorse to sin like one so-called prophet who had illegal sex with his wives house girl and shamelessly married his son's wife.
What happened to the Kunfayakun of Allah; did it stop working?
Who masturbated into the drum under the throne of Allah?
For a person who doesn't understand spiritual things and figure of speech, can you explain what Allah's mouth (or was it Jibril) doing on the vulva (Farjiha) of Mary? What happened to the Kunfayakun of Allah?
Write out the hadith for clarity or random statements of Hatun is equal to hadith?
Present clear statements I belong to the school of black and white.
TenQ: There's hadith but you don't consider it as genuine. LOL!
Either the companions of your prophet are liars or this is the unfiltered Islam and you have to deal with it. Is Ibn Masud a Liar?
Muslims desperately want to make Islam sound true even with multiplicity of lies. This is because Muslims work the work of their father the first Liar and Murderer.
So you know you lay claim to falsehood and still talk about it?
When you consider Matthew 10:28 that says: “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” This verse highlights the difference between the power of humans (to kill the body) and the power of God (to destroy both soul and body).
Perhaps the difference between soul and spirit should be questioned along with the all able God exhibiting his power not just in hell.
Ohyoudidnt: The issue needed to resolve is understanding in what is translated as painful shove is not an act of reassurance or gentle reassurance.
The nuances and conceptual meaning of words in arabic sentences.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh reassured and calmed her by giving her a nudge on the chest, which she felt. He then said to her, "Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?" This statement from the Prophet (peace be upon him) was meant to remind Aisha of the justice and fairness of Allah and His Messenger and to reassure her that her fears were unfounded.
NairaLTQ: Stop using the limitations of Allah to limit the power of the Almighty God and Creator of the Universe. The fact that Allah is limited does not mean that God is limited.
You complain that Revelation 20 is a vision: When your prophet went to paradise, was it a mere dream and vision or reality?
What you refused to comprehend with your mundane mindset and ignorance based fallacy is what I show you through your Islamic Jibril. But instead of bowing to the truth, you will rather throw tantrums.
The Oneness and power of Allah is NOT different from the nature and power of Iblis. Is Iblis Omnipresent? No! Just as Allah is not Omnipresent!
Is Iblis Omniscient? No! Just as Allah is not Omniscient!
Is Iblis Omnipotent? No! Just as Allah is not Omnipotent!
Is Iblis the best Deceiver? Yes! Just as Allah is the best Deceiver!
Is Iblis the one who misguide? Yes! Just as Allah is the one who misguide!
Is Iblis married or with girlfriend? No! Just as Allah doesn't have a girlfriend!
The similarities between Iblis and Allah abound
It is impossible to speak about Allah without your hadiths because the Qur'an is a shallow and structureless book that cannot stand on its own without help from the Hadiths and the Tafsirs.
If you think I am harsh, then see if you can answer these two questions a. How are you sure that the Qur'an is dictated by Jibril from Allah? b. Who is Mohammed who you claimed received the Qur'an?
The Qur'an did not just drop from heaven, did it?
Very simple.
Has the event in Revelation 20 occurred yet?
Convince me it has and take your place in the psychiatric home.
Does Iblis have children? Yes.
How?
Allah has no children and is far beyond what humans can compare with.
Do you now claim in variance to Psalm 145:3 that you can fathom the greatness of God?
Do you comprehend God beyond what Isaiah 55:8-9 restricts you from?
Oh the new testament changed the unchangeable nature and word of God. I see.
If you are so indisciplined to insult the creator there's no sense in speaking or associating with you.
NairaLTQ: FYI: It amused me to see how Muslims usually are tongue tied with simple basic questions like the ones I give you. You think that "stubbornness" and noisemaking changes the truth you are trying hard to avoid ! LOL!!
1. How can you understand the God of Abraham when Allah is NOT Omnipresent? How can you understand the God of Abraham when Allah is NOT Omnipotent? How can you understand the God of Abraham when Allah is NOT Omniscient?
2. It is you who do not understand the nature of the Yahweh, the God of Abraham. What you know is Allah, the God of Mohammed.
3. I only used Jibril as an example to show your lack of comprehension of spiritual things. Your understanding and questions breaks down when you just look at the Jibril of Mohammed.
4. It is impossible to speak about Allah without your hadiths because the Qur'an is a shallow and structureless book that cannot stand on its own without help from the Hadiths and the Tafsirs.
If you think I am harsh, then see if you can answer these two questions a. How are you sure that the Qur'an is dictated by Jibril from Allah? b. Who is Mohammed who you claimed received the Qur'an?
The Qur'an did not just drop from heaven, did it?
You have finally shown you don't understand anything.
Is the omnipresent God visible to man? Seems you don't understand Exodus 33:20.
Revelation 20 your entered is a vision for future not literal or isn't It?
What harshness in utter ignorance?
What do Romans 1:20 and Jeremiah 23:23-24 tell you? Keep seeking a visible omnipresent God to agree with your conviction to idolatry.
Your claim to use Jibril exposes the depth of your ignorance. Did I not ask you the relevance of Moses accordance to your Bible seeing an angel in the fire and a confused change to God speaking when it's not explicitly said the Angel spoke on behalf?
Indeed you and your scripture authors are confused!
Imagine you equating the spiritual nature of your God to his creation the Angel or God did not create angels in your version of Christianity?
Distinctly and truly understend before coming to type nonsense.
NairaLTQ: God's presence is everywhere. God being seen is only IF God deems it fit and so God appears in a form suitable for the mortal man.
If God appears in His glory, this is what happens
Rev 20:11: "And I saw a great white throne, and Him (God) that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."
You are the one who is confused.
If God appears to anyone, it would be in a form that would not vaporise him.
According to your prophet , this is the description of Angel Gabriel
Sahih Muslim (Hadith 174): "I saw Jibril descending from heaven. His great size filled the space between heaven and earth."
Musnad Ahmad (Hadith 12607): "I saw Jibril (Gabriel), and he had 600 wings, and each wing covered the horizon."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4991 It was narrated that Abu Hurairah and Abu Dharr said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] would sit among his Companions and if a stranger came, he would not know which of them was he (the Prophet [SAW]) until he asked....... Five things which no one knows except Allah [SWT]. Verily, Allah, with Him (alone) is the knowledge of the Hour up to His saying: 'Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things).' Then he said: 'No, by the One who sent Muhammad with the truth, with guidance and glad tidings, I did not know him more than any man among you. That was Jibril, peace be upon you, who came down in the form of Dihyah Al-Kalbi.'"
1. Which was this description of the Jibril that squeezed your prophet three times and commanded him to read?
2. What this description of Jibril that came to Mary and blew into her Fahjaha the spirit?
3. Is it a contradiction that Jibril came in the form of a man called Dihyah Al-Kalbi?
4. Is it untrue that they saw Jibril but in a form suitable for the mission?
I hope you wouldn't tell lies with this questions
You need to comprehend the difference between God and the extent of his manifestation through his creation and signs.
Do you also confuse and equate Jibril to Allah?
Can you not try to describe Allah outside the hadith or your learning is lacking there?
NairaLTQ: You can see how you tried to explain away the OBVIOUS so that it might conform to the whims of Mohammed's idea of God.
Let me help you with a verse
Gen 18:22: "And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."
Too bad, this God of Abraham is not the same as Allah!
NairaLTQ: God's presence is EVERYWHERE and can manifest ANYWHERE because God YHWH is the Holy Spirit.
However, when God seems fit, He can transcends into any form suitable for the cognition of us humans. We cannot dictate what God can do or what He cannot do at His Will.
Let me summarise the Trinity of God for you again.
1. God is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit): He is Unseen and Everywhere physical and spiritual. All existence is within Him. 2. God is the Father: The Father is the visible form of the Invisible form in the Spirit realm (Heaven or Spiritual space) 3. God is the Word: The Word is the visible form of the invisible form in every other realms including the physical realm. Because God loves Humans, "The Word" became like us (humans) in other to be our ransom for our sentence of punishment for sin against God (for it is impossible to sin against God and go free)
Even in Islam, is it normal that humans can see Allah except from behind the veil?
Does God's presence translate to God being directly seen?
I believe in your arguments you have gotten confused.
Exodus 33:20 states God tells Moses, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”
Tell me were Moses or Abraham unliving after building God?
Hebrews 12:29 also states, For our God is a consuming fire, indicating that God’s presence is not only powerful but also purifying. The implication here is that sinful humanity cannot withstand such purity without being transformed or shielded?
Throughout scripture, there are instances where individuals claim to have seen or encountered God such as Jacob in Genesis 32:30 and Moses in Exodus 24:9-11. However, these encounters often involve manifestations of God’s presence rather than a direct sighting of His full glory.
In Exodus 33:23, when Moses requests to see God’s glory, he is allowed to see only God’s back because seeing His face would be too much for him.
NairaLTQ: Islam cannot stand without willing accomplice of liars!
You are one of them.
Sadly you are the cunning one displaying all sorts of acrobatic lies to deceive.
Overall, the story of Abraham and the three visitors in Genesis 18 demonstrates the mysterious ways in which God interacts with and reveals himself to humans. While Abraham may not have actually seen God in this encounter, the presence of God was unmistakably felt through the miraculous events that unfolded.
The passage describes three men visiting Abraham, and it is only later revealed that one of them is a representative of God. In fact, the text does not explicitly state that God himself is present in physical form or does it?
Instead of a direct appearance of God, the passage can be seen as a manifestation of God's presence through his messengers. This fits within the broader theme in the Bible of God communicating with humans through intermediaries such as angels. The presence of God is implied through the miraculous announcement of Sarah's impending pregnancy,
NairaLTQ: 1. Do you confirm that Allah confirmed books which are distorted? 2. Do you confirm that the Qur'an has no detail nor context for understanding even simply historical records? 3. Judge by what "Allah has revealed " refers to what Allah claimed to have revealed (past tense): the Qur'an at that time was not fully revealed BUT the Taurat, Injeel, Zabur and the other scriptures of the Jews HAD been revealed. 4. Did Allah not claim that his words cannot be changed?
Since we have shown you that
1. Allah confirmed some of the previous book that remained unchanged or distorted
2. No
3. A pity what Allah revealed refers to the verses of the Quran at that time which take precedence over what is said to have been revealed before.
4. Allah said he doesn't cause something to be changed or forgotten but he replaces it with better.
Too bad you should take more law lessons and practice on forcing words into others.
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