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TemplarLandry:
No Bible-believing Christian Will Be Against Israel.

Israelites are God's own people. God refers to them as “my people”, and by extension, all Christians are spiritually Israelis. You thought God was bluffing when He told Abraham to leave his occultic father's house in Southeastern Turkey (Haran) to a land He would show him? God also promised Abraham and his descendants the current location of Israel 'promised land'. Go read Joshua 1:3-8.

The Covenant goes from Abraham to Isaac, from Isaac to Jacob (Israel) who gave birth to 12 sons (the 12 tribes of Israel) and a daughter named Dinah...Jacob (Israel) had 13 children. This is how the Covenant has been flowing from generation to generation. Let's take note that Adonai only recognizes ISAAC and not Ishmael as Abraham's descendant>> Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

This whole terrrorism and perversion introduced by people of the other religion was as a result of Abraham and his wife's error. But I strongly believe they were ignorantly acting God's script. That error gave birth to Ishmael-the father of Arabs. Now this error is at war with everything God established. How would a sane person deliberately blow themself up, also killing others in the process? They would take the lives of people and yell “Arahu Hackbah”. These wicked humans are blood-sucking demons.

Genesis 16:12 (NIV) He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.
Up till today, the rebellious seeds of Ishmael are always in contention with the descendants of Isaac, claiming the Promised Land is their inheritance. They would be the first to aggress Israel and celebrate prematurely but when Israel retaliates, it's always lethal and they start playing victims, and their apologists follow up by staging bogus solidarity rallies around the world.

Is it not strange to you that Biblical Hebrews migrated in one group to Egypt and spent 400 years there in slavery and they never lost their heritage? Even after World War II, look how they quickly regrouped from all over the world after the formation of the State of Israel. Don't tell me that was ordinary. Best and richest jewelers-Jews, best scientists in the world-Jews, most rich people on earth-Jews. These people are gifted and blessed. The Covenant of God is eternally activated for them.

In 1945, for Harakiri-stubborn Japan to be contained, it took a Jew's idea. During World War II, Albert Einstein wrote a letter encouraging President Franklin Roosevelt to pursue the development of the atomic bomb, because he was worried that the Germans would invent one first. And boom Little Boy and Fat Man did the job. That's what made United States the world's superpower up till today. Nuclear weapons are now mere bargaining chips, also for deterrence; under the principle of Mutually Assured Destruction (M.A.D).

Any Iraeli Prime Minister who wants to sabotage God's plan for Israel will likely be given the 1995 Yitzhak Rabin treatment. He was the Israeli Prime Minister who ceded Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus Christ to Palestinians in 1995, this unpatriotic move angered Israelis, he was unapologetically assassinated in broad day light by a 25 years old Israeli named Yigal Amir, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir. He's in prison doing life.

These Palestinians were the same uncircumcised Philistines who waged war against Israelites during Biblical days. Their champion was Goliath, God used David to end him. Scriptures can never be broken; the words of God can never fail. Does it not surprise you that even though Israel is surrounded by hostile Arab nations, none of them can subdue it? Check for yourself what God says in Joshua 1:5-6.

Every action has a reaction, at 6:30 a.m on Saturday, October 7, 2023, the terrorist group acronymed HAMAS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas launched Land-Air-Sea Warfare (LASW) against Israel. Now with retaliatory bombardments by Israel, they wish they hadn't attacked Israel. Right now, Israel is giving them overkill. On top of that, Israel has cut off fuel, power, food and water supply to them; total blockade.

Who are these uncircumcised Philistines? Jehovah specially prepared a portion of the earth flowing with milk and honey for His people, because the Ishmaelites' forefathers at some time in the past strayed into the Promised Land, these Palestinians are claiming ownership of the lands which God promised Abraham and his descendants. I put it to you authoritatively, the State of Israel is God's divine agenda, no force can stop Israel. The words of God can never be broken.

How can you be a lover of God and despise the people of Israel? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Open your Holy Bible and read the whole Book of Joshua.

𝑺𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒍𝒚,
𝑻𝒆𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒂𝒓 𝑳𝒂𝒏𝒅𝒓𝒚,
𝑶𝒄𝒕𝒐𝒃𝒆𝒓 9, 2023.

Nice rendition of some facts in the Bible however where is the land to which the Israelites who migrated from Egypt located?

Initially Abraham migrated from Mesopotamia to Canaan and became the patriarch of the Israelites. Were there occupants of Canaan before this time?

Due to famine, many people including the Israelites moved to Egypt where they eventually become enslaved.

Moses led nearly 3 million Israelites out of Egypt. The Israelites, a Semitic people who emerged in the 2nd millennium BCE, migrated from Egypt to the land of Canaan, also known as ancient Palestine. This region, situated between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, held great significance for the Israelites due to its rich biblical history and fertile lands. An important question to be determined is if these original inhabitants were displaced by the Israelites and if this was proper to have been done.

The Israelites’ establishment of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah in ancient Palestine serves as a testament to their successful migration and settlement in the region. The two kingdoms, which emerged in the 10th century BCE, existed for several centuries and were characterized by their distinct cultures and religious practices.

In the Bible, the land of Canaan is promised to the Israelites by God. However, this promise does not exclude the possibility of other people living in the land. The Israelites’ establishment of their kingdoms does not mean that the native Canaanite populations were completely displaced or denied their rights to the land.

The Oxford History of the Biblical World offers a broader perspective on the historical context of the Israelites’ establishment of the two kingdoms. It examines the various factors that contributed to the formation of these kingdoms, such as the influence of neighboring empires and the religious beliefs of the time. This source highlights that the rights of the native populations in the region were not solely determined by the Israelites’ conquest and establishment of their kingdoms.


The term “Palestine” has its origins in the ancient Greek name for the region, “Palaestina,” which was derived from the Philistines, a group of people who inhabited the coastal area of the region.

The Palestinian region was home to various groups, including the Israelites, Philistines, Canaanites, and other smaller tribes. The Israelites were a group of people who migrated from Egypt to the Promised Land, which they believed was promised to them by God. The Philistines, on the other hand, were a non-Semitic people who inhabited the southern coastal area of Palestine, and they were known for their conflicts with the Israelites.

The geographical area of Palestine in the time of Biblical Israel can be divided into three main regions:

1. The coastal plain: This region was inhabited by the Philistines and was known for its fertile soil and natural resources. The coastal plain was a significant area for trade and communication, as it was located near the Mediterranean Sea.

2. The hill country: This region was home to the Israelites and was characterized by its hilly terrain and fertile valleys. The hill country was strategically important, as it provided natural defenses against invasions and offered a safe haven for the Israelites.

3. The Jordan Valley and the Dead Sea: This region was located in the eastern part of Palestine and was known for its low-lying areas and the presence of the Jordan River. The area was significant for agriculture, as it provided fertile soil and a reliable water source.

Throughout the time of Biblical Israel, the region of Palestine was a melting pot of various cultures and people, with the Israelites and Philistines being the most prominent.

Maynman:
Israel will pay for all their atrocities, even in the tanakh we see how Yahweh told them to be SPYING on other's people land so they can take it by force and trick.
The current land called Israel was originally for Palestine and was given to them in the YEAR 1948, 1948 ooo.
Only a Jewish slave will support their barbarism.

Never mind the bias for their own version of history.

Present-day Israel, officially known as the State of Israel, is a Jewish nation located in the eastern Mediterranean region. It was established in 1948 following the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which aimed to create separate Jewish and Arab states.

Whereas the Biblical Israel refers to the land and kingdom described in the Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament. The Bible provides a detailed account of the history, culture, and religious beliefs of the ancient Israelites. The territory of Biblical Israel included parts of modern-day Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria.

Where are the West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria in this new Israel affront?


Israel is a modern, democratic nation with a diverse population of Jews, Arabs, and other ethnic groups. The Israeli government is a parliamentary representative democracy, and the country’s legal system is based on a combination of Israeli and international laws.

Present-day Israel has a strong connection to the Jewish faith and history but at present it is a secular state, and religious practices are not as deeply ingrained in daily life as they were in Biblical Israel. The land of present-day Israel is still considered sacred by many Jews, but the religious significance of the region has been influenced by the diverse population and modern political developments.

TenQ:
Can you show me where you answered the questions : for you've been dodging the questions as far as I can remember.

To show you your Escapist strategy:

1. The main subject of this thread is the fact that Allah cannot be the "YOUR LORD" according to Qur'an 17:8

You did not have any argument against this: did you.

2. You changed to subject to Trinity because it is impossible to justify your answer to explain the discrepancy in logic of Qur'an 17:8.

since you change the subject to Trinity AND you were creating a Strawman argument, I asked you:
What is Trinity according to Allah in the Qur'an?
(You will help me well by quoting verses where Allah defined what the trinity is)

I guess you will respond to the question next year.
(You will help me well by quoting verses where Allah defined what the trinity is)

3. The you changed the topic again to majestic plural of the name of God when I reiterated that

In the Bible both the old and New testament, God usually use the pronoun "I" or "ME" or "MYSELF" unlike in the Quran.

To deal with these, I asked you repeatedly


Tell me and don't dodge the question as usual
a. What is Trinity according to Allah in the Qur'an?
b. According to Allah in the Qur'an, who are the partners in Trinity with Allah?


It is you Muslims who have a UNIFIED Deity you call Allah.

Is the meaning of Ahad (أحد) not "One of..." or "One out of.."?
Is Allah is just one out of many gods!?

Is Taoheed (توحيد) not "Unification" or "Unity" or "Unify"?
Is Allah is just a group name for unified gods!?

How many idols used to be inside the Kaaba? Can you prove that they are not the one unified under the umbrella name "Allah"?


You still refuse to respond:
Did Mohammed truely went out heaven on the Al-Barak or it was a vision /dream?

These questions were to address your Trinity Strawman

Ohyoudidnt:
The usual short thinking and limitations in translations by renowned expert critic of Islam.

By using the pronoun "your" to refer to Himself as "your Lord," Allah establishes a personal connection with believers.

This creates an intimate relationship between Allah and His servants, emphasizing His care and concern for their well-being. It reminds believers that Allah is not a distant deity but a compassionate Creator who is interested and invested in their affairs. It highlights the exclusive relationship between Allah and His followers, underscoring the unique bond between them.

We shall return" signifies Allah's power and authority. This plural form, known as the royal "We," is employed to express greatness, majesty, and sovereignty.

Is this your reply?

Is there anything that depreciates this Qur'an verse (modified)
Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

Is this not perfectly clear in message?
Allah has used "WE" and "YOUR" is there no difference both in English and in Arabic?

Ohyoudidnt:
Are you familiar with the Majestic and royal plural used in reference to the almighty? Is it used in your Biblical scripture? Does it confuse you in the scripture?

Joining your thread following another's earlier response, I made contributions to answers outside your subject which you definitely encourage and decide to dwell on because you are unable to stay focussed and get distracted?

Is the following too not your reply?

TenQ:
In the Bible both the old and New testament, God usually use the pronoun "I" or "ME" or "MYSELF" unlike in the Quran. The only time God used the plural pronoun for Himself in the Bible is in Genesis 1:26 and this is understood by Christians to reference the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit in the creation of the universe!

God cannot become bigger by using Majestic or Royal plural for Himself as it changes NOTHING about His nature. An impostor may need to claim this to feel bigger.

TenQ:
Your prophet copied the Jews:
Echad (אֶחָד) means one-ness (unity) in the Jewish religion (Shema Yisrael). This makes proper sense in the Light of the Trinity (the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit).
Unfortunately, it doesn't make an iota of sense in Islam.

My questions are not new to you. I have to repeat and repeat and repeat questions while you try your best to avoid answering them.
Again :
Please respond to your Strawman Argument. It seems that since you cannot beat the original, you make a Strawman that you can bash.

No true Christian Ever define Trinity as three Gods or partnership with God. No Christian has more than ONE SINGLE God.


Tell me and don't dodge the question as usual
1. What is Trinity according to Allah in the Qur'an?
2. According to Allah in the Qur'an, who are the partners in Trinity with Allah?


It is you Muslims who have a UNIFIED Deity you call Allah.

Is the meaning of Ahad (أحد) not "One of..." or "One out of.."?
Is Allah is just one out of many gods!?

Is Taoheed (توحيد) not "Unification" or "Unity" or "Unify"?
Is Allah is just a group name for unified gods!?

How many idols used to be inside the Kaaba? Can you prove that they are not the one unified under the umbrella name "Allah"?


You still refuse to respond:
Did Mohammed truely went out heaven on the Al-Barak or it was a vision /dream?


Grow some balls and answer my questions sir!

No Sir. You are chasing shadows
You are the one setting your Strawman question.

We are proving that the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses referred to Himself as I", "ME", "MYSELF" " rather than WE, US and OURSELVES as in the case of Allah.

And I had pointed out to you that even if the God of the Bible call Himselve with the Term WE, US, etc, it makes sense in the Light of the Trinity!

I put it to you that your questions in the subject of this thread have been adequately answered. You hide your disappointment by bringing other questions in a garrulous manner. If you disagree concisely tell how you haven't been answered and don't cover by diverting your topic.

Have you bothered to find a hebrew language expert to disprove my submissions? Maybe not as you know and see the truth clearly but rather feign a denial.

Why don't you revisit your old threads on these to continue or start new ones separately?

No you rather play your confusion card in attempt to hide your actual state? No I don't have time for such indiscipline and implore you to keep me and my family in faith out of your mentions. You can toy with your time but that given us are precious and cannot be wasted.

TenQ:
Please respond to your Strawman Argument. It seems that since you cannot beat the original, you make a Strawman that you can bash.

No true Christian Ever define Trinity as three Gods or partnership with God. No Christian has more than ONE SINGLE God.


Tell me and don't dodge the question as usual
1. What is Trinity according to Allah in the Qur'an?
2. According to Allah in the Qur'an, who are the partners in Trinity with Allah?


It is you Muslims who have a UNIFIED Deity you call Allah.

Is the meaning of Ahad (أحد) not "One of..." or "One out of.."?
Is Allah is just one out of many gods!?

Is Taoheed (توحيد) not "Unification" or "Unity" or "Unify"?
Is Allah is just a group name for unified gods!?

How many idols used to be inside the Kaaba? Can you prove that they are not the one unified under the umbrella name "Allah"?


You still refuse to respond:
Did Mohammed truely went out heaven on the Al-Barak or it was a vision /dream?

אֶחָֽד e-had seems similar to ahad in anyway?

I don't jump from one question to another Mr.
Get your Hebrew to English expert translator not your research.

Your style of juggling questions should take a rest while we logically and systematically move from one point to the other.

Strawman or not by your definition could you simply answer if what I posted is a lie or not? If it is kindly dismantle the straws in the argument.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seriously! Language is a huge barrier and there are limitations learning from translation.



וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהוָה֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה רְאֵ֛ה נְתַתִּ֥יךָ אֱלֹהִ֖ים לְפַרְעֹ֑ה וְאַהֲרֹ֥ן אָחִ֖יךָ יִהְיֶ֥ה נְבִיאֶֽךָ׃
And the Lord said to Moses: See, I have made you a God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your spokesman.

Obviously, Moses was one person, but the plural Elohim ( אֱלֹהִ֖ים) is still used.

In Biblical Hebrew, the plural can be used to denote a position of authority.

Candid advice seek experts in hebrew translation from your fold to explain to you.

אֱלהִים is grammatically plural but is often treated as though it is singular such as with a singular verb.

Hebrew grammar allows for a plural noun like “Elohim” to be paired with singular verbs, which is the case when referring to the singular God of Israel, as found in the Shema, a declaration of Hear O’ Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה אֶחָֽד

אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ Our God (eloheinu)

אֶחָֽד is one

Remember we are seeking to disprove the use of majesjic plural or royalty in reference to describing God. This is to clarify why your lord and we is used in reference to Allah in Quran 17:8

TenQ:
Adonai and Elohim are plural nouns which also support the idea of Trinity sir.
My take is that the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses do not need to call Himself WE or US or OURSELVES to be majestic. By His nature He is!

This is why God is the "I AM!" and not "WE ARE"

Can you help me understand this verse of the Qur'an?
Qur'an 21:17
"If We had intended to take a diversion, We would have taken it from ourselves, if We were to do so."

Who is the OURSELVES Allah refer to here?

Seriously! Language is a huge barrier and there are limitations learning from translation.



וַיֹּ֤אמֶר יְהוָה֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה רְאֵ֛ה נְתַתִּ֥יךָ אֱלֹהִ֖ים לְפַרְעֹ֑ה וְאַהֲרֹ֥ן אָחִ֖יךָ יִהְיֶ֥ה נְבִיאֶֽךָ׃
And the Lord said to Moses: See, I have made you a God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your spokesman.

Obviously, Moses was one person, but the plural Elohim ( אֱלֹהִ֖ים) is still used.

In Biblical Hebrew, the plural can be used to denote a position of authority.

Candid advice seek experts in hebrew translation from your fold to explain to you.

אֱלהִים is grammatically plural but is often treated as though it is singular such as with a singular verb.

Hebrew grammar allows for a plural noun like “Elohim” to be paired with singular verbs, which is the case when referring to the singular God of Israel, as found in the Shema, a declaration of Hear O’ Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה אֶחָֽד

אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ Our God (eloheinu)

אֶחָֽד is one

Adonai and Elohim are plural nouns and though these names are written in the plural form, they regularly employ singular verbs in Hebrew grammar and are singular in usage. Therefore, acting in usage as singular nouns with singular verbs, many Bible scholars believe instead that these names represent a plural of majesty

TenQ:
Elohim is not used exclusively for God in the Bible sir.
1. Elohim can refer to gods (idols of other nations) as in
Psalm 82:1
"God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the ‘gods’ (Elohim)

2. Elohim can also refer to judges or those in authority as in
Exodus 21:6
"then his master must take him before the judges (Elohim). He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life."

The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc usually refer to Himself as "I", "ME", "MYSELF" as He doesn't need to feign bigger than he is.
YHWH is a name and it carries no notion of singular or plural


Jesus came to correct the misunderstanding of the scriptures to the Jews!


You Muslims don't even understand courtesy of Allah and Mohammed. Allah you can do is to define your own Trinity then try to bash it.

It is called Strawman Argument. Because you cannot beat the original, you make a Strawman that you can bash.

No true Christian Ever define Trinity as three Gods or partnership with God. No Christian has more than ONE SINGLE God.




Tell me and don't dodge the question as usual
1. What is Trinity according to Allah in the Qur'an?
2. According to Allah in the Qur'an, who are the partners in Trinity with Allah?


It is you Muslims who have a UNIFIED Deity you call Allah.

Is the meaning of Ahad (أحد) not "One of..." or "One out of.."?
Is Allah is just one out of many gods!?

Is Taoheed (توحيد) not "Unification" or "Unity" or "Unify"?
Is Allah is just a group name for unified gods!?

How many idols used to be inside the Kaaba? Can you prove that they are not the one unified under the umbrella name "Allah"?


You still refuse to respond:
Did Mohammed truely went out heaven on the Al-Barak or it was a vision /dream?

This discussion stems from understanding the way Allah refers to himself. How God in the Bible refers to himself with a majestic plural.

The use of the plural in regards to the almighty God is s not limited merely to Elohim, but also applies to other words of profound significance. For instance, Isaiah 19:4 uses ’adonim (“lords”) instead of ’adon (“lord”)

Into the hand of a cruel lord” (literally “lords,” even though referring to one person),1 and Exodus 21:29 reads: “Its owner [literally be‘alav, “its owners”] also shall be put to death.” Thus, we see that the plural of a noun is sometimes used to signify one person, as a mark of honor and distinction or for emphasis.

Is this a lie?

The Bible uses Elohim for gods only when it applies this plural word to pagan deities. The pagan Philistines apply the title elohim to their god Dagon (Judges 16:23-24, 1 Samuel 5:7). The Moabites, likewise, used the word ’elohim to describe their god Chemosh (Judges 11:24)

Is that too a lie?

The effect of the majestic plural is to indicate greatness, power, and prestige. It is normally reserved for use by nobles, kings, popes, and other persons of high rank when speaking in an official capacity or by those of lower rank when speaking of or to their betters.


In Exodus 20:3: You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before me, and in Deuteronomy 13:2: Let us go after other gods [Elohim]. Elohim is the word that is used of the one true God as well as for the many false gods.

Pay attention to the distinction of the pagan gods and God.

TenQ:
In the Bible both the old and New testament, God usually use the pronoun "I" or "ME" or "MYSELF" unlike in the Quran. The only time God used the plural pronoun for Himself in the Bible is in Genesis 1:26 and this is understood by Christians to reference the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit in the creation of the universe!

God cannot become bigger by using Majestic or Royal plural for Himself as it changes NOTHING about His nature. An impostor may need to claim this to feel bigger.

You say the Biblical use of the majestical plural in describing God was just once? Are you certain of this?

In Gen 1:26

The One God is speaking of Himself in plural form with the pronoun our. This is a perfect example of the majestic plural. God’s divine greatness and transcendence are emphasized through the simple use of pronoun.

What is the primary thematic here? Do you say the ancient Hebrew had a conception of a trinity? Elohim is plural of Eloah but in the use in reference to false gods but when used in reference to the true God it is singular.

You shall have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) but In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1) this Elohim is singular isn't it?

Is YHWH plural?

TenQ:
I wish you a prosperous year 2024 once again sir.

Is there anything that depreciates this Qur'an verse (modified)
Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

Is this not perfectly clear in message?
Allah has used "WE" and "YOUR" is there no difference both in English and in Arabic?


See how your translation is adding phrases into the Qur'an of Allah!?
Where did you see the phrase
[before Prophet Muhammad]
or
those [among them]

Why do you insert phrases into the words of Allah? Are you saying that Allah is not explicit enough or the words of Allah is not perfect enough?
Jews can only mean Jews
Christians can only mean Christians and
Muslims can only mean Muslims

Do you concede that Allah is not explicit enough?


1. My posts is directed to you Muslims who do not believe the Bible. Therefore, to prove anything to you, I have to use only the books you believe in. Therefore, I quote to you your Quran, your Tafsirs, your Hadiths and Books of your early Scholars.

2. Yes, ALL Christians believe in Trinity.
Any one who calls himself a Christian and does not believe in Trinity is a Cult!



Are Boko Harams Muslims?
Are Ahmadiyya true Muslims?
Are Shias true Muslims?
Are the Zaidi true Muslims?
Are the Ismail is true Muslims?

Maybe I should ask you of which of these sects did Mohammed interact with during his life time?



When two hadiths conflict, how do you pick which one to follow?
The hadith Muslim 2662 c is Sahih!
What of if I find other hadiths to support the one narrated by the mother of you Muslims



Sunan an-Nasa'i 1947
The mother of the believers, 'Aishah, said :"One of the children of the Ansar (who had died) was brought to the Messenger of Allah so he prayed for him." 'Aishah said: "How fortunate he is, one of the little birds of Paradise. He never did any evil or reached the age of puberty." He said: "It is better not to say anything, O 'Aishah Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, created Paradise and created people for it, He created them in the loins of their fathers. And He created Hell and created people for it, and He created them in the loins of their fathers."


Sunan Ibn Majah 82
It was narrated that 'Aishah the Mother of the Believers said: "The Messenger of Allah was called to the funeral of a child from among the Ansar. I said: 'O Messenger of Allah, glad tidings for him! He is one of the little birds of Paradise, who never did evil or reached the age of doing evil (i.e, the age of accountability).' He said: 'It may not be so, O 'Aishah! For Allah created people for Paradise, He created them for it when they were still in their father's loins, And He has created people for Hell, He created them for it when they were still in their fathers' loins.'"



Is Mohammed not saying the truth here?

Are you familiar with the Majestic and royal plural used in reference to the almighty? Is it used in your Biblical scripture? Does it confuse you in the scripture?

Unitarians reject the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent God who reveals himself through three distinct persons. Rather they view God as one singular entity without division or plurality.



Did the almighty appoint you to determine who is and who isn't a Christian?

Can you sincerely answer when the belief in a triune god or the concept of trinity become a part of Christianity?

DID JESUS EXPLICITLY SAY TRINITY WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH? Do show where!

The Sahih Hadith, which refers to the authentic and reliable sayings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), is considered highly reliable, but it is not completely infallible.

Is the Hadith a revelation from Allah?
Funny I ask one who doesn't believe in Allah and detests his majesty.

TenQ:
Hello my Friends


I have corrected Qur'an 17:8 for you: it is now exactly as you Muslims would want us to read it.



Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.



Is the above verse not easier, clearer and better for Allah to say!?


Please help me check the grammar o!


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The usual short thinking and limitations in translations by renowned expert critic of Islam.

By using the pronoun "your" to refer to Himself as "your Lord," Allah establishes a personal connection with believers.

This creates an intimate relationship between Allah and His servants, emphasizing His care and concern for their well-being. It reminds believers that Allah is not a distant deity but a compassionate Creator who is interested and invested in their affairs. It highlights the exclusive relationship between Allah and His followers, underscoring the unique bond between them.

We shall return" signifies Allah's power and authority. This plural form, known as the royal "We," is employed to express greatness, majesty, and sovereignty.

TenQ:
Who is this "their Lord" of the Jews: Is it Allah?



Unfortunately, Allah and your prophet seem to disagree with you with respect to us Christians

1. Allah says that Christians ([s]the same one who believed in Trinity at the time of Mohammed[/s]) would go to paradise


Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

2. Secondly, just as in Qur'an 17:8, who is the "Their Lord" in Qur'an 2:26?

Allah in the Qur'an spoke of the Lord of the Jews, the Lord of the Christians, the Lord of the Sabians and the Lord of whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, as going to have their reward presumably in paradise.

3. Thirdly: In Qur'an 17:8, who is the Lord of the Jews for obviously if it is Allah then Qur'an 17:8 should be written as

Qur'an 17:8
It may be that WE your Lord will have mercy on you, but if ye repeat (the crime) We shall repeat (the punishment), and We have appointed hell a dungeon for the disbelievers.

Quran 2:62
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] – those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

How mutiply faced are you relying on what Allah says when convincingly you don't believe in him yet still wish to get good reward from him?

Do all Christians believe in the trinity?

Mormons; Latter-day Saints,believe that God has a physical, flesh and bones, eternal, perfect body. Men have the potential to become gods as well. Jesus is God's literal son, a separate being from God the Father and the "elder brother" of men. The Holy Spirit is also a separate being from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is regarded as an impersonal power or spirit being. These three separate beings are "one" only in their purpose, and they make up the Godhead.


Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God is one person, Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's first creation. Jesus is not God, nor part of the Godhead. He is higher than the angels but inferior to God.



Christian Scientists believe the Trinity is life, truth, and love. As an impersonal principle, God is the only thing that truly exists. Everything else (matter) is an illusion. Jesus, though not God, is the Son of God. He was the promised Messiah but was not a deity.

Armstrongism denies a Trinity, defining God as "a family of individuals." Original teachings say Jesus did not have a physical resurrection and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force


Christadelphians believe God is one indivisible unity, not three distinct persons existing in one God. They deny the divinity of Jesus, believing he is fully human and separate from God. They do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, but merely a force—the "unseen power" from God.



Oneness Pentecostals believe that there is one God and God is one. Throughout time God manifested himself in three ways or "forms" (not persons), as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals take issue with the Trinity doctrine chiefly for its use of the term "person." They believe God cannot be three distinct persons, but only one being who has revealed himself in three different modes. It is important to note that Oneness Pentecostals do affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.


Unification adherents believe that God is positive and negative, male and female. The universe is God's body, made by him. Jesus was not God, but a man. He did not experience a physical resurrection. In fact, his mission on earth failed and will be fulfilled through Sun Myung Moon, who is greater than Jesus. The Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. She collaborates with Jesus in the spirit realm to draw people to Sun Myung Moon.


Unity adherents believe God is an unseen, impersonal principle, not a person. God is a force within everyone and everything. Jesus was only a man, not the Christ. He merely realized his spiritual identity as the Christ by practicing his potential for perfection. This is something all men can achieve. Jesus did not resurrect from the dead, but rather, he reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is the active expression of God's law. Only the spirit part of us is real; matter is not real.


Dianetics see God as Dynamic Infinity. Jesus is not God, Savior, or Creator, nor does he have control of supernatural powers. He is usually overlooked in Dianetics. The Holy Spirit is absent from this belief system as well. Men are "thetan" - immortal, spiritual beings with limitless capabilities and powers, though often they are unaware of this potential. Scientology teaches men how to achieve "higher states of awareness and ability" through practicing Dianetics.

Do your best sincerely and earnestly in this world and leave the intricate details of the afterlife to the almighty if you sincerely believe and trust him.

TenQ:
Yes!

Earning paradise in Islam is only by the destiny of Allah as dead sinless babies born of Muslim parents may go to Hell fire!

Here was what Mohammed said about it!

Sahih muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for hell those who are to go to hell. He created them for hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

They can't explain the rational why a baby should go to Hellfire


Sahih al-Bukhari 6467
Narrated `Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately, and receive good news because one's good deeds will not make him enter Paradise." They asked, "Even you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" He said, Even I, unless and until Allah bestows His pardon and Mercy on me."


But all of them are struggling to earn paradise with good works

Your hadith explorations didn't see this?

........And the tall man whom you saw in the garden, is Abraham and the children around him are those children who die with Al-Fitra (the Islamic Faith). The narrator added: Some Muslims asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Messenger pbuh ! What about the children of pagans?" The Prophet pbuh replied, "And also the children of pagans." .........

Bukhari 7047

TenQ:
If I understand you correctly, your view is that
1. Jesus was crucified on the cross
2. However, Jesus did not die on the cross
If this is correct,
can you please fill me in to exactly what happened to Jesus up to when he was taken to Allah in heaven except its all a conjecture.

What is the true story sir?

Does your belief need support? Are you seeking validation for your belief?

وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ
They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him

Ohyoudidnt:
Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

TenQ:
Please quote what the Jews say in their Talmud as I know of nothing.
Why do you doubt the words of Allah: you made the claim remember it wasn't me!



The Jews killed Jesus because they are at variance with his doctrine.
You are making my point.

Do you think the Jews will kill their Messiah?




The crucifixion of Jesus is NO myth. It is history. It is Allah and his prophet that created a myth about the cruxifoof Jesus. This is why you have no explanation for anything about it.

Even Atheistic secular scholars do not disagree with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Show me one single non Muslim that thinks it's a myth


Then show me one verse of the Qur'an with the word Taoheed on just one place in the hadith your prophet mentioned the word Taoheed.?

Taoheed was enforced on you Muslims by people who were not even prophets of Allah



I guess you have a problem of Comprehension. Disciple is a generic word for followers of Jesus and it includes the 12 Apostles who are also disciples.

Luk 6:13:
"And when it was day, he called to him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;"

Jesus did not appoint disciples He appointed Apostles who were first disciples.
English comprehensive is disturbing you fa!




Then force her to talk.



Oh, they said a person CANNOT die until such has spent 20 straight hour on the cross?

I heard from Ahmed Deedat that Jesus fell into a swoon on the cross and the fresh breeze woke him up. Is it true?

Please let me know!

You see the complication of your problem. The jewish priests could not on their own kill Jesus for disparaging their ways but cooked up an allegation of treason for which the Roman rulers are said to have been compelled to crucify him.

Is what is said in Mark 15:44 put there by one who had no right to? Does it not clearly state that Pilate was surprised he was already dead?

Are you familiar with the phrase hidden in plain sight ?

You see the subtle clues in only 1 appointed disciple being present, surprise of Pilate at the quickness of his death?


Anyway as I say it's your belief or fantasy so please do it very well for yourself

Very comical.

TenQ:
Yes!
Even Allah testified to it.


True



Only Muslims are confused over it.

The Jews even boast about it (because the killed Jesus)
The Christians rejoice in it (Because Jesus resurected from the dead)
Muslims are full of uncertainty about it.
Till today, they don't know who was crucified.
They don't know how He was taken to heaven.

Muslims alone are full of conjectures



Using your Argument :
1. Taoheed is not found in the Qur'an
2. Mohammed never used the word Taoheed in the hadiths
Therefore, the Caliphs after Mohammed and your scholars enforced Taoheed unto you Muslims.

How about that?


All followers of Jesus including the 12 Apostles were disciples of Christ.

Mat 27:57: "When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:"

Luk 14:26: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Luk 19:37: "And when he was come near, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;"

John 6:66: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."

Acts 1:15: "And in those days Peter stood up in the middle of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty, )"


Must she talk at the cross where her son was crucified and in pains?

Allah testifies to it in a book you disagree with? My point is what exactly do the jews say in their own books?


Christians say the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world but what messiah do the jews expect? The one with a kingdom not in this world? Jews expert a messiah who will restore Israel to them and rebuild the temple isn't it?

Christians are strongly tied to the crucifixion story as stories in other myths yet Jesus was a jew and spoke against the acts of the Judaic leaders.

For a certainty there can be no Christianity unless the lie of crucifying the christ is not upheld.

The Taoheed is a concept of monotheism and very many verses of the Quran speak of this. The Trinitarian belief is mainly implied and needed council meetings to address these difference and enforce such belief. This was in a Roman state where Christians were being persecuted. How easy is it to align with what the prosecutors say that seem to agree with parts of your faith? A win-win for the persecuted and persecutors isn't it? Similar suggestion was made to Muhammad pbuh and this was flatly refused.

You share verses but it is very well established that Jesus had 12 disciples particularly mentioned as his followers.

Does Matthew 10:2-4 not name these 12 disciples?

Does Mark 3:16-19 not say Jesus appointed these 12 disciples?

Your narration tries to force that Jesus appointed other disciples but this is capital NO sir.

Why must Mary not talk? Or was she prevented? Why does not a another witness that was this close and is said to have witnessed it all not say what happened?

Is it untrue that Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died as stated in Mark 15:44

In anycase you are free to believe your fantasy or conviction but don't impose it on me or others.

TenQ:
Muslims can lie for Africa even against the words of Allah.

I guess it was the Romans speaking here
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Are you contradicting the almighty Allah?

There is no argument against when Jesus was Crucified - the day of preparation for the high sabbath on Thursday sir.

Is what I say false?
1. Do jews and Judaism agree with the Christian belief of a crucified Jesus?

2. Do Christuans not say the kingdom of Jesus is not of this world?

3. Does this dispute not agree with and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not?

4. Do the early council meetings up until the enforcement of the Trinitarian doctrine by the Romans not also fit into doubts about the nature of Jesus and what actually happened?

TenQ:
John the Disciple of Jesus was present
Mary the Mother of Jesus was present... amongst others.

John 19:25-27:
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he said to his mother, Woman, behold your son! Then said he to the disciple, Behold your mother! And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home."

What do you have other than conjectures?

5. Of all 12 disciples only John is reported to have witnessed the Crucifixion. How strangely convincing? You refer to Mary his mother and Mary Magdalene witnessing the crucifixion and I ask if they too are classified as disciples?

6. Where are clear statements of Mary on the crucifixion process?

Do Jews and Judaism believe in the crucifixion of Jesus?

Judaism does not agree that Jesus was crucified. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is a pivotal point of divergence between Judaism and Christianity. According to Jewish beliefs, Jesus was not the messiah and therefore could not have been crucified as the messiah.

The concept of the messiah in Judaism is very different from the one in Christianity. In Judaism, the messiah is seen as a human leader who will bring peace and prosperity to the world, restore the Jewish people to their homeland, and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus did not fulfill these criteria, so he cannot be considered the messiah in the Jewish faith.

You may say that when Jesus returns he will do this but the question is will the jews keep waiting for this and in this coming will Jesus according to your views not be coming to judge? How then will he judge the jews who wouldn't have had the chance to know him as the messiah?

Also why are there differing views as to which day Jesus was allegedly crucified? Wednesday, Thursday or Friday? Why the confusing non consensus?

Shurahbil ibn Amr the Governor and representative of the vassal Ghassanid confederation (authority) under the Byzantine Empire in southern Syria region was Christian.

He killed the emissary of Prophet Muhammad pbuh Al-Harith bin `Umair Al-Azdi or didn't he?
What was the provocation?

I failed to ask if AbdulMutallab successfully carried out an attack?

Do Jews who are accused of persecuting and getting Jesus crucified accept this statement?

You talked about disciples being deceived however how many of them if any was present at the actual crucifixion?

TenQ:
Reasonable people do not go to war just because a mishap happened to one of their citizens on a foreign land. Would it have made sense if USA decided to wage war on Nigerian because this Nigerian - Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (the Underwear Bomber) decided in the name of your prophet to commit a terrorist action on a plane in America.

Zaid ibn Harithah went to a FOREIGN land, outside Mecca, Medina or Arabia to spread Islam and was killed. Till today, no one knows exactly what happen other than he was killed. Could it be armed robbery, kidnapper, insolence,.... no one knows!

Don't forget that your claim is that Qur'an 9:28-29 is defensive and it is about polytheists coming to Mecca or Medina.
However, even in this case, it is you Muslims who is going out to other people's land to harass them contrary to Qur'an 9:28-29 you claim.

All you have done is to proove unequivocally that it is Muslims who GO OUT to wage war on Christians and not the other way round.

Is this untrue?

Umar AbdulMutallab's father said he had approached the US and Nigerian authorities to warn them about his son's views in November - weeks before the attempt to destroy the flight to Detroit.

Nigerian media quoted Mr Mutallab, an influential banker who is well connected in Nigerian politics, as saying his son first became radicalised while studying at the British School in Lome (BSL), Togo.

Umar was an engineering student at a UK college between 2005 and 2008 so was his radicalisation from Nigeria, Togo or UK?

You talk like there wasn't Eastern Roman military presence in Persia snd Arabia from the late 6th century?

TenQ:
Is this a fabrication or a black lie?

The Jews of Banu Qurayza helped the Muslims to dig trenches during the battle of the trenches. It had NOTHING to do with ANY Christian army. Learn your history properly sir.

You did not answer these questions below :

Please answer my question (this is the third time I'm posting it)

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

4. Since Muslims fight only defencive wars, Please what specifically was the Offence of the Jews of Banu Qurayza after they supported Mohammed in digging the Trench for his army at the battle of the trench that warranted him to massacre 700 men and boys and taking their wives, properties and girls for themselves? [/i]

5. The story of Exodus occurred during the time of Moses (about 1700 years before Mohammed). Several prophets had come to the Jews after that including Jesus. Thus I ask you:
What is the name of the god or gods the Jews associate with God during the time of Mohammed?
Or are you giving the dog a bad name simply as an excuse to drown it?

Are Banu Qurayzah the only tribe of Jews or followers of Judaism in Arabia?
You obviously feign ignorance or might not be aware the Qurayzah had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended leaving them alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort. (Infiltrating your opponents to attack from within?)

Some were punished for treason and these were all who qualified as fighting men of the tribe, since they were the ones who would have taken part in the hostilities out of tribal obligation. Excluded were the pre-pubescent boys, and one elderly man (though he later chose punishment voluntarily).

Some of these Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it.


Being one who thrives on confusion you start to ask other questions before your initial questions are fully addressed. Are you ashamed of the unpalatable history of the Byzantines?

Anyway
1. There are different views as to who was crucified but there isn't certainty. Some view this to be Judas Iscariot perhaps an explanation for divergent views if what happened to him after the alleged crucifixion despite being paid 30 silver coins. He threw these away in the temple or bought land yet still hung himself.

A young disciple of Jesus who was reluctantly accepted and took on the form of Jesus.

In any case as was earlier mentioned it is questionable that the persecutors needed someone to identify who they were persecuting.

2. There's no elaborate explanation of this that I know or agree with but am satisfied that this was miraculously done.

3. Why do you say Allah deceived anyone and not see that Allah saved his dear prophet from the humiliating and wicked plans of the enemies? Was Mary deceived or she remained true to her nature of accepting the will of Allah? Remember she was told at the point of a miraculous conception that her offspring will be a sign? Did she take this too to be a sign? Was she aware of the miraculous lives of Enoch and Elijah?

How do you know that all the disciples were unaware? Do you have the account of each and everyone of them from trustworthy and verifiable resources?

4. I have spoken of the Qurayzah above

5. The Quran says Uzair even if the generality of Jews disagree. However in following what your leaders say is akin to making them your God.
Some accounts too refer to an extinct tribe of Arabian Jews.

TenQ:
But Christians NEVER attacked Mohammed, how did he now receive Qur'an 9:38-39 on our behalf?


I asked you to give me the name of the Christian king or Christian city that attacked Mohammed. At least before a war becomes defencive, there must first occur an attack.

So, who is the Christian king or city that attacked Mohammed and in what year or for what purpose?


No problem. At least Muslims in times of weakness sought refuge with us Christians.
Who is the one betraying the other now?




Did Heraclis EVER once fight Mohammed?

The only interaction of Heraclis and Mohammed was when Mohammed invited him to Islam and he didn't!


See how you mix up history!
The Battle of Issus occurred in 333 BCE was a significant engagement between the armies of Alexander the Great of Macedon and Darius III of Persia during the Wars of Alexander the Great.





Is this a fabrication or a black lie?

The Jews of Banu Qurayza helped the Muslims to dig trenches during the battle of the trenches. It had NOTHING to do with ANY Christian army. Learn your history properly sir.

You did not answer these questions below :

Please answer my question (this is the third time I'm posting it)

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

4. Since Muslims fight only defencive wars, Please what specifically was the Offence of the Jews of Banu Qurayza after they supported Mohammed in digging the Trench for his army at the battle of the trench that warranted him to massacre 700 men and boys and taking their wives, properties and girls for themselves? [/i]

5. The story of Exodus occurred during the time of Moses (about 1700 years before Mohammed). Several prophets had come to the Jews after that including Jesus. Thus I ask you:
What is the name of the god or gods the Jews associate with God during the time of Mohammed?
Or are you giving the dog a bad name simply as an excuse to drown it?

I acknowledge my mistakes with the Battle of Issus. Did a representative governor of Heraclius not get a messanger of Muhammad pbuh killed?

You may argue that it is not the same however who takes the blame of people killed by people under a leader?

Among the jewish tribes did they all support the prophet and Islam? Weren't there those who were against him.

After the Battle of Badr did Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir not take a hostile attitude against the Muslims?

TenQ:
Muslims with manufacturing history.

I asked you to provide the name of ANY Christian king or City that fought with Mohammed (who wrote Quran 9:28-29) and you are listing the Byzantines!?


The military engagements between the Muslim forces and the Byzantine Empire occurred during the caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab (Mohammed was long dead at this time) . The Battle of Yarmouk in 636 CE, for example, was a significant conflict where the Muslim armies decisively defeated the Byzantine forces in the Levant.

What is the name of the battle where Mohammed fought the Byzantines?

You claim there weren't any interactions between the Byzantines with Muslims during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh?

What led to the Tabuk expedition?
What about the Battle of Mutah?

The unprovoked murder Harith bin Umayr in the year 629 on orders of Shorhai who ruled christian arab tribe of ghassan as a vassal of the Byzantine emperor Heraclius?

Byzantine attacks on Muhammad and Islam with the support of their christian leaders.

Byzantine Christian leaders actively promoted and funded anti-Islamic propaganda, which depicted Muhammad as a false prophet and Islam as a dangerous and deceitful religion. This propaganda campaign sought to delegitimize Islam in the eyes of both Byzantine subjects and the wider Christian world.

Is this not what you too are actively engaged in?

TenQ:
I will tell you the relationship between Janus and January when you tell me which month of the year were you born?
What is today (Monday or Tuesday) ?



1. Thank you for raising up the topic of Abraha of Abyssinia showing that Islam is just a continuation of the pre-islamic Idolatory and worship. Are you aware that this took place before Mohammed was born?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha



2. Since Christians are polytheistic, then it is true that Qur'an 9:28-29 applies to us and thus why do you deny that Allah Commanded you to fight to kill us?



How was a treaty before Mohammed was born got connected to Mohammed?
Please Read the link above.



Can you tell me the god/gods of the Jews in Arabia



Speaking about treachery :
I will love you to explicitly answer these questions below
1. Is it true that when Mohammed was weak and was being persecuted in Mecca, he was protected by the Christian king of Abyssinia?

2.Can you give a single instance when any Christian king or Christian community attacked or planned to attack either Mecca or Medina during the life time of Mohammed your prophet?

3. Since Muslims fight only defencive wars, Please what specifically was the Offence of the Jews of Banu Qurayza after they supported Mohammed in digging the Trench for his army at the battle of the trench that warranted him to massacre 700 men and boys and taking their wives, properties and girls for themselves?

1. You say before Muhammad was born or in the year he was born? The failure of Abraha did not change the beliefs of the people.

2. Quran 9:29 applies to Christian polytheist who disregard Quran 9:4 As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.



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According to historical accounts, it was not Prophet Muhammad himself who migrated to Abyssinia, but rather a small group of early Muslims, consisting of men and women, led by Ja'far ibn Abi Talib. This group sought refuge in Abyssinia, hoping to find peace and tolerance for their newfound faith. The decision to migrate to Abyssinia was made after careful consideration and consultation with the Prophet.

The Prophet himself survived several assassination attempts, and it became so dangerous for the Muslims in Mecca that Muhammad sent some of his companions who lacked tribal protection to take asylum in the Christian kingdom of Abyssinia. After 13 years of violence, he himself was compelled to take refuge in the city of Medina, and even then the Meccans did not relent in their hostilities.


2. Heraclius did indeed engage in military campaigns against the Muslims, particularly during the early years of Islam. For example, in the year 622, Heraclius sent a large army to confront the Muslims at the Battle of Issus, but the Byzantines were defeated by the Muslim forces led by Khalid ibn al-Walid.

3. Salman the persian suggested they dug tenches when attached by Byzantine Christian army during the Battle of the trench

TenQ:
Note that you didn't answer a single question I posed to you.

Nevertheless, as Christians we don't avoid answering questions


First, I had proved it to you that the instruction of Allah and His Mohammed was to fight to kill Jews and Christians

Secondly, the fact that Jesus upturned the table is not killing : is it?

Thirdly, it is you Muslims who have manufactured conjectured about who was crucified. Was it really Judas or Jesus?

1. By the way, according to your own understanding, who was crucified instead of Jesus?

2. When Jesus was taken to heaven, was it in secret or in public?

3. It is understandable if Allah decieved the Romans and the Jews: why did Allah deceive the Mary the Mother of Jesus and All His disciples?

Ohyoudidnt:
What is the relationship between Janus and January?

1. Did the jews and or their followers not exist in Arabia. Is it untrue that Abraha of Abyssinia who wanted to destroy the Kaaba was a Christian? What is the place of rabbis in the religion of Judaism? Did Jesus in the Bible not tell the people not to follow their teaching due to them editing the laws as suit them?

The regard of Christians of Christians as polytheist is for them worshipping others alongside Allah (God). Polytheism in asserting a trinity to the nature of God.

2. Is it untrue that there existed strong trade relations between them before the advent of Muhammad pbuh? Was there an agreement between them which was reneged on as the previously existing system felt threatened by Muhammad's (pbuh) spread of Islam? What does Quran 9:4 say or does this have no bearing on verses 28 and 29?

3. The view of the Jews of Arabia at the time having a pagan/idolatry influence is there. Does Exodus 15:11 not make reference to existence of other gods?

The reply above answers the 3 questions you claim weren't answered. You jump to other questions claiming the previous wasn't answered?

At the time of fighting those against Muhammad and Islam do you feign ignorance of the violence and killing of Muslims at the time or you stick to one side and overlook others.

What do you know about the Battle of Hunayn and the first verse revealed of Surah 9?

The context in which Quran 9:29 was revealed is crucial to understanding its true significance. The verse was revealed during a time of great persecution and hostility towards the early Muslim community. The Muslims were facing relentless attacks and aggression from their enemies, and were forced to fight to defend themselves and their beliefs. Quran 9:29 was a response to this persecution, providing guidance on how to protect themselves and their faith while promoting justice and peace.

TenQ:
First, I wish you the best of this new year, may happiness and goodness follow you in your family and Career in this 2024.

1. Do you not regard Christians as polytheists? If you do, then quoting verse 28 of Quran 9 changes nothing.

2. Qur'an 9:28 is complete instruction just as Qur'an 9:29 is a complete instruction whether you read it in Arabic or English.

verse 28 : says don't allow polytheists to come near your sacred mosque.
You have the subject Polytheists, you have the action: don't allow them come near the sacred mosque.

verse 29 : says fight the people around you who do not believe in God nor the last day nor what your prophet has forbidden nor adopt Islam as a religion from amongst the people of the book.
You have the subject People around you who are not Muslims (from amongst Jews and Christians), and you have the action, fight them

If verse 29 is not repeating verse 28, then it refers for emphasis to Idolaters (verse 28) and Jews and Christians (verse 29)


This is consistent with your Prophet's hadith

Sahih Muslim 22
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said:
I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.


This is offensive war and not defensive as you will like us to believe.


3. Can you sincerely answer this question for me: Are Jews also Polytheists?

Ohyoudidnt:
Note the condition in 9:28 of after that present year has passed. This is very courteous unlike the bible reported upturning of tables by your version of Jesus in your Bible or did he give them any warning before?

You rather not say anything about Jesus not forewarning those whos tables were upturned or did he warn them before taking action?

Interesting too that someone who they had seen in action would be unidentifiable to them so Judas Iscariot had to be contracted for this? Jesus was quite identical to other people?

TenQ:
First, I wish you the best of this new year, may happiness and goodness follow you in your family and Career in this 2024.

1. Do you not regard Christians as polytheists? If you do, then quoting verse 28 of Quran 9 changes nothing.

2. Qur'an 9:28 is complete instruction just as Qur'an 9:29 is a complete instruction whether you read it in Arabic or English.

verse 28 : says don't allow polytheists to come near your sacred mosque.
You have the subject Polytheists, you have the action: don't allow them come near the sacred mosque.

verse 29 : says fight the people around you who do not believe in God nor the last day nor what your prophet has forbidden nor adopt Islam as a religion from amongst the people of the book.
You have the subject People around you who are not Muslims (from amongst Jews and Christians), and you have the action, fight them

If verse 29 is not repeating verse 28, then it refers for emphasis to Idolaters (verse 28) and Jews and Christians (verse 29)


This is consistent with your Prophet's hadith

Sahih Muslim 22
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said:
I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.


This is offensive war and not defensive as you will like us to believe.


3. Can you sincerely answer this question for me: Are Jews also Polytheists?

What is the relationship between Janus and January?

1. Did the jews and or their followers not exist in Arabia. Is it untrue that Abraha of Abyssinia who wanted to destroy the Kaaba was a Christian? What is the place of rabbis in the religion of Judaism? Did Jesus in the Bible not tell the people not to follow their teaching due to them editing the laws as suit them?

The regard of Christians of Christians as polytheist is for them worshipping others alongside Allah (God). Polytheism in asserting a trinity to the nature of God.

2. Is it untrue that there existed strong trade relations between them before the advent of Muhammad pbuh? Was there an agreement between them which was reneged on as the previously existing system felt threatened by Muhammad's (pbuh) spread of Islam? What does Quran 9:4 say or does this have no bearing on verses 28 and 29?

3. The view of the Jews of Arabia at the time having a pagan/idolatry influence is there. Does Exodus 15:11 not make reference to existence of other gods?

TenQ:
Can you explain the condition by which you Muslims are Commanded to wage war here in the two scriptures below?

Qur'an 9:29
قَٰتِلُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلَا بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْءَاخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا۟ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَٰغِرُونَ

What is the defence here?
What is the Offence of the people of the Book here?

Qur'an 9:123
O believers, fight the unbelievers around you, and let them realise that you are firm: Remember, God is with those who are pious and obedient to Him.

What did the unbelievers do against Muslims according to this verse above?

In your apparent wisdom you quote Quran 9:29 and forget the premise of 9:28?

28. O you who believe! The polytheists are polluted, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs And if you fear poverty, God will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. God is Aware and Wise.

29. Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth—from among those who received the Scripture—until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

And particularly the command to fight is against those who want to attack the Muslims in their own lands, and to spread the influence of disbelief and its followers in the Muslim lands. This is defence of Muslim territory, and it is something that has occurred in every nation and state known to history, no matter what their religion, otherwise there would be no state and no authority at all.

Also fighting those who bar people from the religion of Allah and prevent the Muslims from calling people to the religion of their Lord and spreading His light so that it may be seen by anyone who seeks guidance, or they prevent non-Muslims from learning about this religion or entering it if they want to. This is in pursuit of the enemy.

Note the condition in 9:28 of after that present year has passed. This is very courteous unlike the bible reported upturning of tables by your version of Jesus in your Bible or did he give them any warning before?

Not arguing this as I see my brother has pointed out quite clear distinctions in your concept of the almighty God.

Thank you Gaskiya for your advise and pardon my late response.

TenQ:
You make no meaning here sir!

In what language is the Quran revealed or recited? Oh you've lost the numerous languages of revelation of the Bible but then aren't your prophets predominantly Israelites.
Where are sefat kena'an or Judean.

Tell me is the revelation first made before the people are thought the language. The Quran was revealed to the people in the language they understand abiding by the norms of the language they understand.


We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Qur’an 14:4)


We have made the Qur’an easy in your language so that they may take heed it. (Qur’an 44:58)


If We had made it a foreign Quran (recitation), they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)


Note that there is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white — except by piety.

TenQ:
I cannot lie if I showed you Evidences from your own books sir. Do you think all those hadiths were composed by me!?
Please verify.

You cannot lie but only bend the truth innit?

Where did I say:
Even though you want me to believe that [b]Jihad is spreading love while striving for Allah[/b]your books from your scholars doesn't help you.

Your 'little lies' here and there absolve you of lying? Oh Lieing Tenq? Doubt if you ain't lieing with your online name too.

The violence prescribed in the Quran is mostly defensive, the Bible is packed with genocidal commands from God.

Has Hatun or any of your co aquintances responded to your email or picked your call?

Though I doubt you have any of their direct contacts. Wannabe concerned christian antagonist that's all pretence

TenQ:
I cannot lie if I showed you Evidences from your own books sir. Do you think all those hadiths were composed by me!?
Please verify.

You only hate it because I posted things you do not like


I quoted your books sir as you will note that your hadiths translated by your scholars showed what the Jihad truely is.



Modern Muslims only want to replace the word fighting with striving and that the means is not just about killing but using one's intellectual, wealth, position, opportunities etc to strive for the course of Islam.

I do not disagree with this but you can't also remove nor play down the factor of war and killing and booties according to your religious literatures as I have shown you above.

Sorry it hurts you but the truth need be said.

Even you challenging and correcting me on my topics and posts should be Jihad to you : isn't it?

Is Jihad not FIGHTING in the course of Allah!?

Is defined by who and where by which linguist?