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Assuming he even did this which he didn't how come his enemies and antagonist never took him up on it? Maybe you should widen the scope to this as a means of validation. Find records of those who confronted Muhammad s.a.w regarding his marriage to Aisha mabpwh in his lifetime.

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

So many hadith saying the same thing from a faulty source does not make it true or correct.
You too have joined the line of misled narrators.

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

TenQ:
So many hadiths saying the same thing.

The worst you can call these hadiths is Mursal hadiths, unfortunately for you, they do not have broken chains of reference.

Mohammed had sex with a prepubescent girl. It is recorded in your books.

Or did TenQ manufacture these hadiths!?



I have asked you to present your hadith which claimed that Aisha married Mohammed as a teenager to no avail.

I don't waiting!

By the emboldened are you now asking?

All the narrators of the hadith saying Aisha was that young are Iraqis who had heard it from Hisham. Allama Kandhulvi says that the words spoken in connection with Hazrat Aisha’s age were tissa ashara, meaning 19, when Hisham only heard (or remembered), tissa, meaning nine.

Many authentic hadiths also show that Hisham’s narration is incongruous with several historical facts about the Prophet’s life, on which there is consensus.

Is it not strange that Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life in Medinah and had students such as Malik ibn Anas under his tutilage who didn't narate same.

The hadith Ibn Majah 1877 is on Authority of Abu Ishaq of Baghdad who was Caliphs in what year?

Ahmad ibn Sanan told us, Abu Ahmad told us, Asiail told us, on the authority of Abu Ishaq, on the authority of Abu Ubaidah, on the authority of Abdullah, peace be upon him, The daughter of a seventh is built with it, and it is a nine daughter.

TenQ:
Fear of confronting the truth will not let you speak the truth about the hadiths below

1. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3379
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six , and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine. "

2. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3258
It was narrated from 'Aishah that the Messenger of Allah married her when she was nine and he died when she was eighteen years old.

3. Sunan an-Nasa'i Hadith 3257
It was narrated that Abu 'Ubaidah said: "Aishah said: 'The Messenger of Allah married me when I was nine and I lived with him for nine years.'"


I have found you other instances WITHOUT your favourite scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa, so, what is your next excuse?

Okay this one doesn't have Ibn Hisham as one of its transmitters but out of all four sources of evidence you presented only 25% is without a questionable transmitter; is this not a FAILURE?

Let me direct you.
Aisha r.a had an elder sister, do research on her and the age gap between them to help you determine Aisha's age.

TenQ:
But they are graded as SAHIH!

What is Sahih? That it has a verifiable line of transmission?

The authenticity of a hadith report is "best measured by the reliability of the transmitters (known as rāwī pl. ruwāt) of the report.

I have shown you the existence of Hisham in the line of transmission of all the hadith you shared.

Verdict
Your evidence on the age of Aisha is a false and your argument discarded

Hisham everywhere!

حَدَّثَنِي فَرْوَةُ بْنُ أَبِي الْمَغْرَاءِ، حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُسْهِرٍ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ تَزَوَّجَنِي النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، فَقَدِمْنَا الْمَدِينَةَ فَنَزَلْنَا فِي الْحَارِثِ بْنِ خَزْرَجٍ، فَوُعِكْتُ فَتَمَرَّقَ شَعَرِي فَوَفَى جُمَيْمَةً، فَأَتَتْنِي أُمِّي أُمُّ رُومَانَ وَإِنِّي لَفِي أُرْجُوحَةٍ وَمَعِي صَوَاحِبُ لِي، فَصَرَخَتْ بِي فَأَتَيْتُهَا لاَ أَدْرِي مَا تُرِيدُ بِي فَأَخَذَتْ بِيَدِي حَتَّى أَوْقَفَتْنِي عَلَى باب الدَّارِ، وَإِنِّي لأَنْهَجُ، حَتَّى سَكَنَ بَعْضُ نَفَسِي، ثُمَّ أَخَذَتْ شَيْئًا مِنْ مَاءٍ فَمَسَحَتْ بِهِ وَجْهِي وَرَأْسِي ثُمَّ أَدْخَلَتْنِي الدَّارَ فَإِذَا نِسْوَةٌ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ فِي الْبَيْتِ فَقُلْنَ عَلَى الْخَيْرِ وَالْبَرَكَةِ، وَعَلَى خَيْرِ طَائِرٍ‏.‏ فَأَسْلَمَتْنِي إِلَيْهِنَّ فَأَصْلَحْنَ مِنْ شَأْنِي، فَلَمْ يَرُعْنِي إِلاَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ضُحًى، فَأَسْلَمَتْنِي إِلَيْهِ، وَأَنَا يَوْمَئِذٍ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ‏

Farwah ibn Abi Al -Mugharaa told me, Ali Bin Musharra told us, on the authority of Hisham, on the authority of his father, on the authority of Aisha - may God be pleased with him - he said: So the city came to us, and we went down to the sons of Al -Harith ibn Khazraj, so I sold you, and my hair was broken. So, my mother, the mother of Roman, came to me, and I am in my hope, and I love me. At the door of the house, and because I am asking, until some of my soul dwells, then I took something of water, so I wiped with it, and my head, then I will enter the Among the victory in the house, so say to good and blessing, and on the best of a good one. Sacrifice, so I greeted me to him, and I am a year of nine years

TenQ:
The hadith you quoted was narrated by the father of your scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa.
He was just unfortunate to be in the chain of narration.


How about this hadith

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 3894
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet (ﷺ) engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.


Sunan Abi Dawud 2121
Narrated 'Aishah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.



Is Hisham ibn Urwa also in the chain of narration?
So, what's your excuse now?

And Abi Dawud 2121
حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، وَأَبُو كَامِلٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ تَزَوَّجَنِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سَبْعٍ - قَالَ سُلَيْمَانُ أَوْ سِتٍّ - وَدَخَلَ بِي وَأَنَا بِنْتُ تِسْعٍ ‏.‏


Suleiman bin Harb told us, and Abu Kamel told us, Hammad bin Zayd told us, from Hisham bin Urwa, from his father, from Aisha, she said, "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me when I was the daughter of seven - Suleiman or six - and he entered me when I was a girl of nine."

narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.

TenQ:
Let me find you another reference

Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

What you are saying is that
Bukhari is wrong
Muslim is wrong
An-Nasa'i is wrong
Abi Dawud is wrong.
None of them did their due diligence of selecting Sahih hadiths and Hisham ibn Urwa was the one who narrated false hadiths to all of them!?

So,
Whoes hadith is the authentic one?
Can you post it?


Are you aware that your scapegoat Hisham ibn Urwa did NOT narrate the hadith in Bukhari AND Sunan Abi Dawud?
So, non of what other excuse do you have?

Find me or informing of the progress or non progress in your research?
Arabic text of Bukhari 5130
حَدَّثَنَا مُعَلَّى بْنُ أَسَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ‏.‏ قَالَ هِشَامٌ وَأُنْبِئْتُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعَ سِنِينَ

Also check:
Narrated Ibn `Umar:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "We are an illiterate nation; we neither write, nor know accounts. The month is like this and this, i.e. sometimes of 29 days and sometimes of thirty days

TenQ:
1. Mohammed married a prepubescent girl
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3256
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was seven years old, and he consummated the marriage with me when I was nine."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3257
It was narrated that Abu 'Ubaidah said:
"Aishah said: 'The Messenger of Allah married me when I was nine and I lived with him for nine years.'"


Sunan Abi Dawud 2121
Narrated 'Aishah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim 1422 b
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported:
Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

It seems you end your research in haste.

Most of the Hadith narrations mentioning her age was nine are reported through Hisham ibn Urwa while living in Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have relocated after living in Madinah for seventy-one years. It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Muhammad reports that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said, “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly.” Shaykh Dr. Ridhwan ibn Muhammad Saleem.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3256
أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ آدَمَ، عَنْ عَبْدَةَ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ تَزَوَّجَنِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَنَا بِنْتُ سِتٍّ وَدَخَلَ عَلَىَّ وَأَنَا بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ وَكُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ

Muhammad ibn al-Nadr ibn Musawar informed us, he said: Ja`far ibn Sulaiman told us, on the authority of Hisham ibn Urwa, on the authority of his father, on the authority of Aisha, she said: He married I was with the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, for seven years, and he came to me for nine years.(as automatically translated)
Emphasis on sanad shows Hisham.

Do same for all your hadith on Aisha's age

TenQ:
The best example the Qur'an mankind is one who will JUSTIFY his sin!

This is the bottom line!
1. Aisha herself said your prophet married her at the age of six or seven and consummated the marriage at 9 years.
A nine year old girl is a teenager!

2. Instead of settling the quarrel between Zaid and Zainab, his lusted after the fine girl and eventually married her

3. No wonder, Allah Allah said any believing woman can give herself for sex to your prophet.

4. Even Allah allowed prostitution in your Quran? Is it untrue that the Prophet of allah Mohammed allowed Mutah, then forbade it, but then allowed it later to forbid it?


If you feel I speak that which is UNTRUE about your prophet, I dare you to challenge it and I will show you evidence for m Islam itself.

The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed.

What will Mohammed do with the prayers?

You definitely are fixated in your prejudice and actual dislike however:

1. I requested you do research yourself and explore the evidence for an against a marriage at age 6 or 9 vs older ages of marriage.

2. Note that the Prophet married the former slave Zaid to Zaynab.
- Zaynab, her brother and other family members did not want her to be married to a former slave.
- The Prophet insisted that they marry each other, to break and put a stop to the backward Jahiliya (pre-Islamic ignorance) culture of marriage being between certain classes only.
-Zaynab eventually accepted to marry Zaid
-The marriage didn’t and couldn't last long since there was a lot of arguments and “quarrels” at home. As stated, the scholars mentioned that Zaynab used to bring up her lineage and Zayd being a former slave. That she was from a noble family while Zayd was a former slave. These talks and others discouraged Zayd to stay with her any longer.
-Zayd went to Prophet Muhammed pbuh wanting to divorce her due to the problems at home, the Prophet ordered him to stay married to her and to fear God.
Zayd went back and forth for a while (weeks or months) every-time complaining about his marriage and every time the Prophet pbuh exclaimed and told him to fear God and keep his wife. This is regarding your false claim Muhammad pbuh did not make efforts to resolve their differences. Do you feel Zaynab too didn't complain of the marriage?
Eventually, it was too much for Zayd and divorce followed.

Muhammed pbuh was ordered by God to marry Zaynab, in his heart, he did not want to marry her because she was married to his adopted son also had he wanted to he could have married himself before she married Zayd.
He was bothered about what people would say about him. God sent down revelation that he should fear Him rather than the people in the society. The marriage went ahead as it was ordered by God Himself, and Muhammed had no say to disobey the order.

The Prophet’s marriage to Zainab was done to break the taboo in the Arab society that adopted son’s are real sons which Allah says are mere sayings from their mouths. The revelation had a big impact in the society, who was going to break that ancient tradition?

Well if Allah allowed marrying captive women I believe the God of the Bible clearly subscribes to this with clear instruction to kill the husbands of these women before marrying them. Differentiate between prostitution and marriage and be realistic about the transformation of a culture.

Prayers submitted or presented must be a display of imperfections in translations. The statement means these prayers will be beneficial to him.

Q59:10And those who come after them will pray, “Our Lord! Forgive us and our fellow believers who preceded us in faith, and do not allow bitterness into our hearts towards those who believe. Our Lord! Indeed, You are Ever Gracious, Most Merciful

Q47:19 So, know well, O Prophet,that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah. And seek forgiveness for your shortcomings and for the sins of the believing men and women. For Allah fully knows your movements and places of rest ˹O people

TenQ:
Mohammed as best example for mankind?
1. Is it by having sex with pre- pubescent girls!?
2. Is it by lusting after the wife of his adopted son!?
3. Is it by creating exceptions to the rules of Islam by having more than four wives!?
4. Is it by allowing prostitution!?




The issue is that PRAYERS of Muslims will be SUBMITTED to Mohammed.

What will Mohammed do with the prayers?

1. Don't go with the slanderous claims. Aisha mabpwh was definitely a teenager when their marriage took place and was consumated. Do research on what her likely real age was.

2. Lusting after the wife of his adopted son? You even fail to research Zaynab mabpwh dislike of the union from the very start.

3. Reality is that he already had more than 4 wives before the revelation limiting the number to four came about. What were the reasons for these marriages?

4. He didn't allow prostitution and did his best to abolish the act from the time of ignorance.
Did you ever hear that prostitution is the oldest known profession?

TenQ:
Timothy was treated as a Greek as he had a Greek father even though his mother was a Jew. Therefore, Timothy was not circumcised as a baby on the eight day as required by the Law of Moses for Jews.

Gen 17:12:
"And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of your seed."

Because Paul and Timothy were going to the temple in Jerusalem, Paul compelled the ADULT Timothy to be circumcised (because of the Jews)

Acts 16:1-3:
"Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brothers that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."


You may need to explain why Timothy was not circumcised on the eight day if he was seen as a Jew.

I find that there is also Titus who wasn't circumcised. Does this then mean some acts of worship apply to some people that believe in your God and not to others? Why the obvious and deliberate segregation? Is this not a religious case of racism? Only Jews are to partake of the covenant of Abraham!

Why then is Abraham called the father of nations? If for some reason you are not circumcised on the 8th day does this then eliminate a need for it? Abraham was not 8 days when he was circumcised.

You ignored the question of raped jewish women or girls who got pregnant as a result of rape. How are their children 's lineage established?

TenQ:
Is the second part of the Tashahhud contrary to the hadiths Sunan Abi Dawud 1047?



The prayer is divided into FOUR sections


The Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts
1. Prayer to Allah
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "
2. Prayer to Mohammed
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you).
3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah
Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah.
4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."

My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud
Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! )
This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet!

In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
Narrated Aws ibn Aws:
The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed!

It is important to understand that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a human being, chosen by Allah as a guide and example for humanity. Muslims do not worship or consider him divine but rather hold immense respect and love for him. The act of offering prayers for the Prophet does not place him at the level of divinity or assign him the ability to answer prayers, but rather serves as a way for Muslims to express their devotion and seek blessings from Allah through their love and connection to His final messenger.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047 mentions a particular prayer offered by a companion in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). It is crucial to recognize that while the prayer was presented to the Prophet, it does not imply that he has the power to answer prayers or fulfill requests. The Prophet Muhammad himself emphasized that he did not possess the power to benefit or harm individuals. In the Quran, Allah states, "Say, 'O Muhammad, I have no power to bring good or harm to myself except as Allah wills'" (7:188).

The purpose of offering prayers for the Prophet is to show reverence and seek blessings from the Almighty. Muslims believe that the Prophet holds a special place in the sight of Allah, and by offering prayers for him, they hope to gain closeness to Allah and seek His mercy. These prayers are a way to express love and respect for the Prophet, in accordance with his teachings and the examples he set.


Muslims worship only Allah, the one true God.
We do not worship Prophet Muhammad; just revere, respect, and love him above all other human beings. And we send blessings upon the Prophet as an act of worship, which has been commanded by and pleases, Allah.
These blessings enable Allah’s mercy to descend upon the Prophet’s soul. It also benefits the Muslim who sends these blessings. In that they are rewarded, their sins are forgiven, and they receive Allah’s mercy.

It is said to Allah

TenQ:
Is this phrase of the Tashahhud said to Mohammed or Allah?

"Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)."

How were the offspring of raped jewish women who didn't know their rapist treated?
I will appreciate you explaining.
TIM16:1 He also came to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple named Timothy was there, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but whose father was a Greek

TenQ:
This was because he had no human father!
And the Messiah was supposed to come from the line of David(Judah). This was why Matthew used the traditional lineage line through Joseph to David while Luke used the lineage of Mary also through David.

Do you know any other human being in this category who has no father but has a mother?

May Allah be merciful unto you.
It is in order to say appears to be as you have agreed different people wrote the bible and we cannot be absolutely sure of their motives and meanings.

“… we may follow the opinion of other scholars who maintained that Jacob (Joseph’s father) had died young and that Joseph became a quasi-adopted son of Heli/Joachim through his marriage to the Virgin – for this reason, then, Joseph is called son of Heli.

https://sanctanomina.net/2015/09/17/marys-genealogy-and-joachim-and-eli/

TenQ:
Conjectures of "appears to be" does not solve the problem of the ignorance of Allah and His prophet Muhammad!

Since Allah knows that Miriam and Mary are different : and that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah. Why did he not say Mary is the daughter of David or Judah which would have made some sense!

How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus?

There is no mix up. The Mary is a daughter of a an exalted person Joachim and the Mother of Jesus.

There appears to be a referrence to Heli in your Bible another name for Joachim however the Bible isn't explicit about the parents of Mary

TenQ:
You just confirmed again that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah therefore she can't be from the Tribe of Levi!

Case closed!

How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus?

I quoted from your bible in respect to your request to show a scriptural proof of matrileneal succession lines. In any case Jesus did not have a human father, would it not then be a scriptural lie to claim a lineage from a father who is not his.
Islam however differs from Christianity in that Mary was never married.

TenQ:
You just confirmed again that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah therefore she can't be from the Tribe of Levi!

Case closed!

How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus?

And the point is? The first part establishes that prayers are due to Allah. Followed by a salutation of peace to the prophet then ourselves and other muslums.
Ending with the testimony of faith stating belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammad s.a.w who was sent with the message of Allah.
All compliments, prayers and pure words are due to Allah.
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. Peace be upon us and upon the righteous slaves of Allah. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger)

TenQ:
1. Is it untrue that the first part of the Tashahhud is directed to Allah?
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "


2. Is it untrue that the second part of tha Tashahhud is directed at Mohammed?
"Peace be upon you, O Prophet , and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you)."

Note :
Did you read the phrase "O Prophet"!?

Yes, however note that Allah chose Adam and Noah and the descendants of Abraham and of ‘Imran above all mankind.

TenQ:
Then Mary is a daughter to Abraham or Isaac or Jacob or Levi.

Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. Mary can only be descendant of only one of these 12 tribes and it is Judah (certainly not Levi).

I wouldn't take the 'suddenly appeared Kaaba in Lagos' as a place of pilgrimage or guiding point of worship. Will face the east as best I can however whichever way I face in prayer Allah should answer my prayer.

SIRTee15:
The response is ambiguous.
No u won't do which one, continue to circumambulate in Mecca or move to Lagos with the kabba.
Which one would u not do. Pls be clear.

I asked you and gave example of 7 different Mary in your new testament. Maybe two are blood relations.

In either case the Quran is not a historical book and we cannot say the history recorded in the bible is totally correct.

I have also shared meanings of the names of Imran as an exalted or highly placed person which is similar to Amram. Do you imply there cannot be numerous exalted people?

TenQ:
Basic lack of History by both Allah and his Mohammed :

If Allah had called Mary the Daughter of David, it would have made some sense. Unfortunately, Allah and his Mohammed mixed up Mariam and Mary thinking that they are the same person.

I hope you know that Mariam and Mary are the same in Arabic.

Mariam (مريم): This is the Arabic name for Mary, the mother of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran and used in Arabic-speaking Christian communities. It is the more common Arabic form of the name.

Mary (ماري): This is a variation of the name Mary in Arabic, often used in some regions or in transliterated forms of the name.


How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus?

Num 26:59:
"And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt: and she bore unto Amram Aaron and Moses , and Miriam their sister."

Following the first exile, it is apparent that the status of mothers began to play a significant role in determining the national/ethnic identity of their children. Lets consider the narration of the expulsion in Ezra 9.1–10.4, which recounts the removal of foreign women and their children, thereby apparently linking the status of children with their mothers. Then the Shechemite narrative in Jub. 30.1–26 and considers the incorporation of Molech language in the prohibition against intermarriage.

Can you consider that the association between intermarriage and idolatry may be rooted in the presumption that Dinah's progeny would be Jewish, yet raised as idolaters. Also the author of Luke-Acts portrays Timothy as Jewish (Acts 16.1–3) in light of his mother's status and thus was required to undergo circumcision. Timothy came from a mixed racial background, in which his mother was Jewish and his father was Greek. His familiarity with the Jewish and Greco-Roman cultures made him an ideal protégé of Paul; and,
In later years, Timothy served as Paul’s emissary at various locales, where the apostle had established churches on his missionary journeys.

Considering Jewish history characterized by persecution and diaspora, determining Jewish identity through the mother ensured that Jewish heritage and traditions would be preserved and passed on to future generations.

According to rabbinic law, from the second century to the present, the offspring of a gentile mother and a Jewish father is a gentile, while the offspring of a Jewish mother and a gentile father is a Jew (albeit, according to the Mishnah, a mamzer, a Jew of impaired status).
Such societies once existed in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, and can still be found in parts of Africa, India, and Polynesia.

Judges 5:7, which states, The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be until I, Deborah, arose; arose a mother in Israel." Deborah was a prophetess and a judge in ancient Israel. Her leadership role and authority in guiding the nation can be seen as an example of how women can play a significant role in matters of governance and succession.

In the New Testament, in the book of Luke 1:32-33, an angel announces to Mary, "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end." This scripture can be seen as an indication that Jesus' inheritance and authority are derived from his maternal lineage, as he is said to be a descendant of David through his mother Mary

Don't be so closed up. If on her maternal side she is a descendant of Levi and paternal side she is a descendant of Judah then she has fulfilled this condition.

You are familiar with patrileneal and matrileneal succession? If not learn about it.

TenQ:
If Mary is from Judah, how can she also be of the Tribe of Levi?

Note :
Ancestry is patriarchal with the Jews!

Of course you stopped short of going to their common ancestor, Abraham; who is a father to both Isaac and Ishmael.
Anyway:

Ohyoudidnt:
Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם
Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.

Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"

(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)

Also:

“Amram

Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram


The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,


The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram

TenQ:
Is Mohammed a descendant of Ishaq?
Is Mohammed a descendant of Yakub?

Why or why not?
Are they not supposed to be related through Abraham?

Amram is of the Tribe of Levi
Mary is of the Tribe of Judah
Thus Mary cannot be daughter to Imran.

Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם
Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.

Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"

(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)

Also:

“Amram

Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram


The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,


The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram

A fourth cousin is someone who shares a set of great-great-great-grandparents with you. Essentially, they are the descendants of a sibling of your great-great-grandparents. Any number of cousins is an example of how many generations you are away from your common ancestor.

Rather you refuse to see what stands right before you.
How many children did Aaron have?
How many generations between Aaron and Mary or Elizabeth?
There exists the truth of both of them being descendants of Amram.

Have you heard the British use the terms 3rd,4th .... cousin far removed?

TenQ:
You still don't get it with all these speculations that Elizabeth and Mary were not siblings nor blood sisters: this would have made Mary a descendant of Aaron as Elizabeth was clearly a descendant of Aaron.

The argument of them being relatives and not cousins is weak as it changes nothing.
The terms relative or cousin actually weaken your position as cousins could be first, then second, third, fourth or fifth cousin AND relatives could span up to five or sex generations.

Unfortunately, Mary is NOT a descendant of Aaron and thus could NOT be called daughter of Imran or sister of Aaron.

TenQ:
Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!?
Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is?


Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28
Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”


But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam!

Even then,
Why not sister of Moses!?
Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?


Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut.


Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram)
Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!

What a coincidence!

Qur'an 3:35-36
"When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'"

The term "sister" in these Semitic languages can possess broader connotations beyond the literal interpretation of biological sibling. It can also denote female relatives, such as cousins or even distant relatives within the same tribe or clan. Therefore, rather than suggesting a direct sibling relationship, the usage of "sister of Aaron" might instead emphasize Mary's ancestral connection to the priestly lineage of Aaron in ancient Israelite society. This further emphasizes her elevated position within the religious and societal norms of that era.

Another possibility is that the designation "sister of Aaron" was added to emphasize Mary's pious character and righteous nature.
Individuals are often described using honorific titles that reflect their moral standing and devotion to God. Identifying Mary as a sister of Aaron illustrates her spiritual proximity to the revered figure of Aaron and positions her as an exemplary woman of faith. This reinforces the image of Mary as a devout follower of God's will and underscores her exceptional qualities as the chosen vessel for the incarnation of Jesus.

Words and phrases applied to persons to distinguish their noble birth, or their official or social rank and station, or as marks of acknowledgment of their learning and piety.

The king appointed a viceroy termed "mishneh"="second." Joseph was mishneh to Pharaoh, with the title "abrek" = "bow the knees", denoting the reverence due to his dignity; though according to the Talmud "ab-rek" is a compound word whose two elements signify respecttively "father" (in wisdom) and "young" (in years), the whole denoting "young father" in the sense of "Jupiter" = "Ju" + "pater". Pharaoh renamed Joseph "Zaphnath-paaneah"="the revealer of secrets."

The title "kohanim"= "priests," applied to all descendants of Aaron, and that of "Lewiyim"="Levites," to the rest of the tribe of Levi, carried with them privileges with regard to tithes and certain duties in connection with the administration of religious services in the Temple; thus the senior priest was called "kohen mashiaḥ" = "the anointed priest" or "kohen gadol" = "the high priest." The prophet ("nabi" bore also the titles "ro'eh" and "ḥozeh" = "seer"

Pray to or pray for as well as themselves?
Is the prayer directed to him or the one that created him, muslims and all that exists?

Many biblical words are ambiguous and some even obscure. The very first sentence in the Bible is obscure in Hebrew. English translations differ. The King James Bible, for instance, seems to understand that the creation of heaven and earth were the first divine creations: “In the beginning God created the Heaven, and the Earth.” The Schocken Bible and Bible commentator Rashi disagree: “At the beginning of God’s creating of the heaven and the earth (certain things were created).”

From Josephus, we know that Mariamne the High Priest’s daughter had two brothers named Joazar and Eleazar who were also High Priests. There are differing opinions on whether they were sons of Simon or brothers…but all three plus a brother-in-law, Matthias husband of another unnamed daughter, (Elizabeth…my theory) will be High Priest for a short time in the last days of Herod and the early reign of Archelaus.

Similarly, how should the Hebrew lechem be translated. It means both “bread” and the more inclusive “food.” Elohim means “mighty,” and “god” (an idol), and the “God.” So what were the bnei elohim in Genesis 6? Were they divine beings, perhaps angels, who cohabitated with human women, or mighty or more intelligent male humans, as the scholar Abraham ibn Ezra contends? How should ki be translated in Exodus 2:2, as “how (beautiful he was)” suggesting he was extremely beautiful, or the less emphatic, “that (he was beautiful).”

The law made provision for the intermarriage of the tribes (Numbers 36:6), and members of the tribes of Levi and Judah often intermarried. Elizabeth was of the tribe of Levi.
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth” (Luke 1:5).

Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s mother.

Eleazar son of Boethus was the High Priest of Israel from 4 B.C. to a time before 6 A.D. “Lazarus” is the Greek form of the Hebrew Eleazar. Like Lazarus, Eleazar had two well-known sisters, Miriam and Martha. Baltz uses texts from the Talmud and Midrashim to argue that these are the same Mary and Martha that we find in the gospels.