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hotswagg12:
If arsenal had defeated Chelsea in that match they would have qualified for champions league as the 5th English team while the 3rd team from France would have gone for play off to qualify for champions league. The thing is the first
two teams from French league qualifies automatically while the the third would have to go for play off unlike the Spanish, Germans, Italians and English teams which have four automatically qualification spot for the champions league.

Okay. Thanks for the update

hotswagg12:
U are wrong. With the two English teams in the CL final and both of them already qualified for the CL in their domestic league which means no matter the winner, English teams will have only four teams then the third team from French league will get automatic slot and will not need to play CL qualifiers with the rest of European teams.
I understand if u are not aware of it cos we learn everyday.

Let's assume you are right. How do you now explain what happened 2 seasons ago when arsenal needed to beat Chelsea in Europa league finals to become the 5th English club to qualify in the competition?

HellVictorinho:
Check your head for the fake news.

This answer is best suited for you.

HellVictorinho:
Fake stats don't matter to me.

who cares?? And where is the fake stats??

hotswagg12:
u are wrong instead the third team from French league qualifies automatic for champions league next season.

Nothing concern England CL slot with France.

MunchHouse:
My brother. I shock leave my garrison, now the whole house Don full with garrison wey swell up overflow

Hahahhahahah.....go drink am ooh

MunchHouse:
Ok. Now I get it. Thanks.

You're welcome bro. I no even say the guy dey watch ball

MunchHouse:
You dey contradict yourself o.

No Bible class today?


The fifth would have been unaffected if an English team didn't win. An English team winning the finals qualifies it as winners spot then four teams to follow Sir.

The guy is right. If Leceister had beaten Chelsea to fourth place and Chelsea eventually beat City in the UCL finals then England would have 5 representatives cos UCL winner is automatic qualification regardless of your league position.

ThierryJay:
Very fair and reasonable points bro. Funnily, this is one of those rare occasions when both you and the person you quoted are actually right. Just that you are focusing on different aspects of the scenario.

Your point is Atletico had many key contributors to their Liga trophy, the most prominent being Suarez, Correa, Llorente, Carrasco and Oblak. If you remove the contribution of any one of these 5 players, Atletico would not win the league.

The other guy stated that if you remove Suarez's contribution, Atletico would be fourth. That is also true and not in conflict with your view.

The reason all the media attention is on Suarez is because of 2 things:
First; of the 5 players listed, Suarez has the best marginal contribution if we are to attach numerical importance to their stats.
Secondly, his inglorious exit from Barca to Atletico makes for a fairytale story ending of the rejected cornerstone that became champion and the media isn't going to ignore that.

Even though Messi's marginal contribution is actually greater than Suarez's, it's a winner takes all the plaudits that would play out here. You know if Barca's defence had at the very least avoided all those schoolboy give-aways by Lenglet & Umtiti alone, Barca would be champions. But no matter how many goals Messi scored, the abject defenders were always there to sabotage his efforts.

Gbam! There's no better way to say it.

27Pushing30:
Suarez did his job very well at Liverpool, their defense cost them against Chelsea and palace

Liverpool have been a joke this season because of Van dijk and to a lesser extent joe Gomez’s injuries

Even man city couldn’t have won leagues without men like Kompany and Ruben Diaz

You need good defenders these days

I never said he didn't do his job at Liverpool. His goals counted for nothing cos they eventually lost the league to city whether it was down to poor defending or not. The fact is they didn't win the league.

I was simply responding to those who feels Suarez is the sole reason they won the league as if their solid defensive set up and ever reliable goal keeper did nothing. Athletico would have lost the league to Madrid had Oblak not saved that penalty few weeks back.

HellVictorinho:
According to you,lies are statistics.
Keep deceiving yourself!

You're the one deceiving yourself. If you can, kindly change his stats.

Kilishihunter:
Na go run mad ooh. Shebi you guys were saying he's finished and wasn't scoring open play goals but las las everything burst. And keep lying 80% of his goals didn't come from camp nou No dey use your complete sports knowledge come disgrace yourself When Lewandowski scores 50 league goals in a season or 91 goals in a calendar year then you can compare them both Something wey your penalty hustler goat no fit do

You dey waste your time for that guy matter. Excuse no dey finish for am so just leave am.

Kilishihunter:
Bro I just wonder what makes one hate this dude Barca struggled to win their last game today in his absence I really feel for him in the way his last years have been treated

beginning of the season, they struggled without him both in goals and creativity. Sometime in December, people had already written Barcelona off but his steady goals and assist brought them back to contention.

AlhajiBitcoin:
Without Suarez goals, Atletico would end at number 3 or 4 position.

He scored the winning goal today against Valladolid.

There were several games he contributed the only 2 goals of the day to give the team maximum 3 points.

I monitored most of their matches.

if one player wins league for a team, I am very sure Messi would have brought the league to camp nou cos you and I know Messi was a better performer in the just concluded season. He scored & created/assisted more goals than Suarez but still finished third on the log. Do you know Athletico would have lost the league to Madrid if not for the last minute penalty oblak saved few weeks ago? Imagine oblak not saving the pk. All his goals would have counted for nothing. He scored many winning goals even ended the season with about 31 or 32goals but Liverpool still lost the league to city in 2013. See Harry Kane and Salah scoring for fun but where are their teams on the log? City that does not have a particular top 9 this season won the league. Last season, messi scored 25 league goals and also supplied 25 assist. This season he did 30 goals plus assist. Dont you think, they would have won the league of its based on that?

Kilishihunter:
Eibarman, eibarman Yet he scored 30 goals after claims that he's finished and he didn't even score eibar I doff my hat for this man

You can lie about his GREATNESS but you can't ever change statistics.

Messi is the most brilliant player to ever play this game.

If e shock you, hug transformer and you'll be fine.

Messi is the most brilliant player to ever play this game.

If e shock you, hug transformer and you'll be fine.

Suarez didn't win Athletico the league. This team is not dependent on one player but we cant take away the fact that he scored very important goals. If he could do it by himself, he would have won Liverpool the league before his move to Spain.

ThierryJay:
I honestly think they never knew they'd fall into the same bucket they had been criticizing over the years i.e Messi and Pep. So they had to change mouth to save face and it looks really ridiculous. All of them are schizophrenia victims.

Karma is a bitch. What goes around has finally arrived at their door steps.

ThierryJay:
Yeye arguments. Why can't you compare 36 year old CR to 33 year old Messi? Is it Messi's fault that CR was a late bloomer such that while Messi was getting nominated for World best player at 20 years, Ronaldo had to wait until he was 23 before becoming world class. Why don't you also give Messi the credit for the 3 year headstart?

Well, by your logic, Lukaku is also a better player than CR. After all, he won Inter the league in which CR was also a participant. Even Arturo Vidal left Barca and joined Inter and has now won the League. And pls tell, in how many big games did your CR score a non-penalty goal this Serie A season? Let me see how you'd weave your way out of this one.

Saying Ronaldo is a failed project in juve is a huge slap on their faces that why they keep blaming his teammates when things go south. CR7 fanboys are too delusional. Same group of people failed to acknowledge Pep's success and dominance in England simply because he has not won the UCL but turn around to educate on Ronaldo's success in italy.

Kingcalls:
Comparing a 36 yr old to a 33 yr old that has spent all his career in one club to one that joint an economical goal scoring team in the Italian league just 3yrs ago and u are not ashamed to say its just 10 goals diff... a juventus team that hasnt scored 4 goals more than 5 times in a game in all competitions even b4 Ronaldo joined...

Let messi join atletico and let me know how he will score 20 goals a season, talkless of a juve team...messi the fraud always riding on other players shine... suarez left him and went to atletico and won them the league....simply shows that suarez is a better player.... he scored in big games , while messi was busy looking for huesca and eibar to score...

No valid point in all you have said. Economic goal scoring team? What does that even mean for crying out loud and who cares if they haven't scored 4 goals more than 5 times before Ronaldo's arrival? Did not scoring more than 4 goals stopped them from winning the league or getting to UCL final as usual? Since Ronaldo arrived and they started 4 goals more often, what have they achieved?

Messi is riding on other players shine but Ronaldo isn't?? Let him prove it by winning the champions league for juve then I will keep shut.

What stopped him from winning Barcelona the league before he left? Stop proving a wack point with Suarez cos with or without him, athletico would still have won the league cos from the very beginning Madrid & Barcelona were inconsistent and athletico took advantage.

There are few top teams in Europe that have not tested Messi's venom. Some of the teams have not tested by virtue of the fact that they haven't met or it wasn't a good day for him.

Au revoire

Kingcalls:
Juventus never took advantage of his great talent...had very very very weak midfielders that were not good and crossing the ball well or throwing long passes , or deadly thru balls just like most teams do.... Ronaldo always complained about the midfielders not spotting his runs or openings, even when they do , they are never accurate.... Baba hammer 60 league goals in 2 seasons , only Lewandowski bettered that with 75 goals , Messi 54 ... .. abeg, Baba Don try ...the season juve should have won the CL was in his first season , but the rest of the team dint turn up...

For those saying he left it worse are mad in their head.... 82 league goals in 3 seasons and they say he worsened them... out of his 29 league goals this season , 6 na penalty.... 29 league goals in 33 games

This write up just confirmed you as an unrepentant hypocrite. Would you have given this excuses about "weak midfielders & inaccurate passes/crosses", if it was Messi? Without a second thought, i know your answer will be negative.

Complaining about juve's midfield is an indirect confirmation that Modric & Kroos were key to his success at Madrid. This you have failed to acknowledge but would tell us how Messi can do little without Xavi & Iniesta.


League goals (2019 - 2021)

MESSI
2019….............36
2020................25
2021….............30 so far

RONALDO
2019…..….........21
2020.................31
2021.................29 so far

MESSI..............91
RONALDO.......81

This shows he only outscored Messi by 6 goals in 2020.

kenzysmith:
he pain am, u go see ronaldo for champions league next year

pain me too cos Milan cut my game but we move as usual

Reference:
Barcelona is in terminal decline with the certainty of a Messi imminent retirement. Keeping him will not improve the fortunes of the team. The sooner they let him and his astronomical wages go the better their finances will be with which to rebuild.

The history and destiny of all great institutions is all too similar. The longer you keep the kingpin beyond its sell by date the deeper will be the fall when the inevitable happens and the harder it will be to rebound. The world of politics, business, industry, entertainment and sports is steeped with examples. Both Manchester United and Arsenal are colourful examples of this truism, holding onto managers for long without a post plan. So long, too long and the recovery to glory will exactly be like that.

The tree of liberty and prosperity will always lend itself to self renewal at every opportunity. Winter is certainly coming to the Nou Camp.

Messi is no Suarez or Drogba. You cant just let him leave without adequate preparation. The team will suffer cos Messi alone brings more than just goals to their game. He dictates the play. He is the chief playmaker with key and deadly passes and then very decisive when it comes to goals. Can't you see how Barcelona began the season cos he didn't hit the ground running.

Milan fumbled last night. Juve will take their place.

Leaving will not change his status as the greatest to ever play this game.....His name is already written in DIAMOND!

greensandy:
You are contradicting yourself.

As in........speaking from both sides

Mikeangelo0433:
Another example is Cr7 fans attributing Messi's genius to Iniesta, Xavi, Dani Alvez, Neymar, Suarez e.t.c but failing to acknowledge that Cr7 greatness too is down to the likes of Mesut Ozil, Sergio Ramos Marcelo, Benzema e.t.c.

Exactly.....You forgot to add Modric, Kroos, Rooney, Bale & Tevez.

Most of them dey avoid this thread.....Hypocrites!

phr0nesis:
Whenever a team fails, I always taunt management, not players.
Hope you know Messi is mostly singled out for for his teams' success than Ronaldo. Messi had a god-like status in Barcelona and Argentina.

I disagree....Ronaldo fans has always made it look like his team wouldn't achieve anything if he wasn't there but would attribute Messi's success to his teammates. A perfect example is UNL......Ronaldo took all the credit even though Bernardo Silva was the best player in the tournament.

pquaver:
Have forgotten ronaldo is a good coach too? He guided Portugal to euro 2016.. Or have guys forgotten so easily una misyarn or the fact he can do it with any team in any league.. Oga no dem misyarn jare.. Ronaldo is just a kid if you know what I mean.. He is yet to be a GOAT

good coach indeed!

paulolee:
na them me I de suspect too but they av an easier fixture n besides i no say this Juve go win sassoulo away n win inter for Turin....if juve can win all, they av a chance though

Juventus is not reliable. Sassuolo is in form and also fighting for Europa league. This present juve can't defeat sassuolo unless referee help them

Patozorinzo:
No mind them, always looking for excuss for their GOAT. I just don't want to imagine the disaster it would be if he was in Messi's shoe at barca.

if it was Messi, they won't even give us a chance to tell them how poor Barcelona team has been but they want us to understand Ronaldo is trying but his teammates ain't helping out cos he's the top scorer as if Messi haven't been doing that shit for years.