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@onlytruth, Ojukwu and Awo have their faults, u can`t blame Awo without blaming Ojukwu, the guy could have saved many if only he had surrendered before the food ran out. How can u fight without food and weapons. He took people on a suicide mission.

Nigerian military need to apologise 4 the senseless killings of Igbo people in the north.

@Afam,  u are the only one bringing  ethnic issue into play, Obasanjo and Gowon were also mentioned, should we then assume it was by Igbo people. Please Leave ethnic war out of this discussion.  

The North have shown through the actions of its Governors and Senators that they care 4 the rule of law and are in support of  what is good 4 Nigeria. They have proved to all that their is no Northern conspiracy to hold on to power, its up to goodluck to act decisive and let Nigerians know the health status of Yaradua.

@Naijaking, who is re-writing history and how?

@Naijaking, Ironsi taking over the helms of government had already shown lack of discipline in the military. The second coup was just a continuation of the  problem. Y did the military head of the USA not take over the government when Kennedy was assassinated? Because The US military is disciplined, they know their job isn`t to rule but to protect the American people.  Ironsi should have followed the law of the land instead of making himself president, he started the indiscipline.

Ironsi and the rest of his ruling council showed lack of discipline by not following the law of the land, making themselves unelected leaders of the country and suspending the Constitution .

Leadership in coup plots are never based on seniority, but determined by the coup planners. If Ojukwu really believed in military discipline he would never have agreed to Ironsi taking over leadership of the country and suspending/abolishing the Constitution of the land, the supreme law of the land. Where is the discipline in a military coup?

Ironsi 4 sure, he set a bad precedence by introducing military dictatorship to the country and his actions or rather in action led to the present day division and mistrust amongst the ethnic groups.

@Afam, u claim not to insult anyone who as a different opinion from u, Y then do u call me shameless, a fool, stick mirror in my behind and i deserve to rot in hell. U have only proved me right with all these abuse.  Is`t it necessary? can u not make a point without resulting to insults.

Where in my post did I say I was ashamed of my ethnicity? I am who I am and very happy in my own skin. Thanks very much.

@Afam, can u see urself without looking in the mirror? We are ur mirror, what we see is a ethnic bigot, full of hate and anger.  U are intolerant of opinions that differ from urs, u see the World from an ethnic view, ur World is Igbo and nothing else. U mentioned being a proud Igbo man, similar to what the KKK or BNP members would say. They are also very proud of their white heritage. I am Yoruba, there is nothing to be  proud or ashamed of about  it, that is just my reality. I didn`t not choose to be Yoruba, but I am con fortable in my skin and heritage. I am who I am. If u stop looking at the World from an ethnic point of view, u will free the mind from ethnic bigotry which clouds  ur ability to be objective on issues relating to Ojuwku and the civil war.

What exactly did Ojukwu see or complained  about over 40yrs ago that is being witnessed today? could it be the greed, corruption and selfishness of most black African leaders that as been in existence since the days of slavery until present, or maybe it`s the divide and rule tactic which he propagated to a new height at the cost of millions of lives.
Ojukwu starved his own people and he took advantage of their pain and fear.

The man took poor helpless people to war without guns, enough food and without the backing of the rest of the World. The guy was a dictator who took his people on a suicide mission and when it was time 4 him to face the consequences of his actions he fled and u come here to praise him.  

Ndigbo do run from fights just like most black people, we know when to fight and when to run, to live another day. it`s called survival instinct.  If this was not the case we would have fought the Europeans until we were all exterminated like the American Indians.  Ojukwu just never listened to the elders when told to backdown from a mission that was already a losing battle before it even started. That is what u get when u have a young spoilt brat running a nation,

@Babapupa, u dey embarrass me as a fellow Yoruba man, y u dey bring ethnicity into the issue just because people they call a spade a spade. Lagos is a slum, hell on earth, period.  Eco oni baje, Eco to ti baje patapata, how we fit fix am na him be the issue.
I have being to the Eastern part of Nigeria and there is no doubt in my mind the cities are alot better than the Western cities. Never being to the North so can`t say much about it
Surely better days will come to Eko ile, Fashola is a positive start.

The Biafran war was about the ego of Ojukwu and Gowan. but sadly the the innocent citizens of the country were the victims. Would Zik, Tafabalewa or Awolowo gone to war if they were the leaders at the time or would they have found a peacefull solution to the problem? The two that were living at the time begged ojukwu not to secede or go to war but he refused to listen. That says alot.

@Aloyemeka, "Where did I say the Yoruba race should apologize to the igbos"  well the answer to that question is right here in your next post
"Why are you so quick to accept that your grand parents may have done wrong to the slaves yet you find it difficult to accept that Awolowo did the Igbos wrong by stealing their money in their moment of need?"

U are doing the same thing again, Awolowo is one person, the whole Yoruba race can`t be held responsible 4 his actions.  Unlike the slave trade where  black  leaders from almost all parts of West Africa participated, same as the white leaders. Leaders from both sides did wrong.  I am not in the business of pointing fingers. There is always two sides to a story.

your reading must be selective because i did admit it was wrong and evil of Awolowo to deny the Biafrans access to the money they held in Nigerian banks before the war. The point where we disagree is when u try to blame Awolowo 4 the starvation of children during the war, to which i asked a few questions which u conveniently ignored. U can only blame the Biafran leaders that continued fighting the people that they depend on to feed themselves. They would rather starve their own children rather than give up the fight. It`s a shame really that u can`t see the folly in the Biafran leaders role on the starvation issue. If i was fighting u and needed your assistance to feed myself and children, trust me bro, I would not hesitate to make peace with u if only 4 the sake of my children. Answer my question, did the soldiers and army officers  starve or was it only children? Y did ojuwku not stop fighting when he knew there was the possibility of starvation if the war dragged on? I guess the idea of not being president of an oil rich country was too much 4 him to take.

The problem of Nigeria as got nothing to do with North or South divide but the greed, selfishness and lack of forsight of of our leaders, to which no region or ethnicity have a monopoly on. We are all to blame. Pointing fingers is retrogressive, if u wanna make a better World look in the mirror.

@afam, can u debate or discuss issues without resulting to personal insults? The art of debating is to come up with good points,  calling people names only goes to show the inability to come up with good solid points.

@Dede, In a coup leadership isn`t determined by army ranks but by does who executed it. The coup was staged by Northerners so it only follows that they determine who will lead. There might have been more Yoruba Officers in the army at that time, but the bulk of the infantry soldiers were from the North and were  willing only to obey Northern officers. The Yoruba officers had no choice but to accept their fate unlike Ojukwu who decided he couldn`t take the idea of a junior officer being his boss and was willing to sacrifice millions of innocent  lives just 4 his own selfish reasons.

@Igbanibo, If  "The Northern cadre in the Nigerian Army wanted to secede from Nigeria right after the July 29 1966 coup" and  "Their British and American masters told them not to" Then i have to say it was very smart of them to listen, unlike Ojukwu who was told by the whole world not to secede and had no backing from most major countries  in the World but refused to listen. If only he had listened like the Northern leaders, instead of being arrogant thinking he could take on the whole of Nigeria  without the backing of the major countries of the World. This is what i call blind arrogance and some might call silly. This arrogance I have to admit is a very common trait amoungs too many Nigerians.

@Aloyemeka, u can swear all u want, it means nothing, only words of anger. On a more serious note, y do the whole Yoruba race have to apologise 4 something Awo did, it smells of ethnic bigotry. Awolowo doesn`t equate to the whole Yoruba race. Comparing Awolowo to Hitler is far fetched and it only serve to expose your inability to be objective in matters relating to the civil war. Awolowo didn`t send millions to the gas chamber to be killed, yes his 20 naira policy was evil, but u can`t honestly compare it to the evils of Hitler. Lets be fair in or criticism and not be ruled by emotions.

On the issue of the slave trade, yes our people did sell their own to the White World, Yes we did all the dirty work 4 the Europeans during the slave trade. We are as guilty as the whites 4 the slave trade. Self criticism goes along way in helping to bring about changes while Pointing fingers only serves to do the opposite.

@Aloyemeka, lets look at it from this point of view, lets assume we are brothers and 4 some reason we start fighting bitterly and some how I run out of money and can`t feed myself and my family, will u be willing to feed me so I can have the strength to continue fighting u? Wouldn`t u want me to stop fighting first.  If u can`t feed urself y continue to fight those that can feed u or provide u with access to food. Y allow kids the weakest and most vulnerable in society to starve to death, when all u had to do was to stop fighting. The Biafran leaders should have stopped fighting once it became obvious there was not enough food to go round, instead of starving their own children so they can continue fighting a losing battle.

Biafran leaders are to blame 4 the starvation of the kids because they had a choice between feeding their children with the food that was in short supply instead of the soldiers and adult, or stop the war completely since it was obvious Biafra couldn`t feed itself and continuation of the war would lead to starvation.

The only evil thing Awolowo did, if true was to give 20 naira to every biafran bank depositor after the war regardless of what they had in the bank. It`s not too late to correc this injustice. I hope some of the leaders will bring this issue up with the Nigerian government/legislators.

@stra8talk, u are so right "are those thieving governors in the South from the North" Expect no miracles with Goodluck

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WHAT ARE WE COMPLAINING ABOUT

This is all our (you and me) making. The 'men in uniform' shooting at the man are you and me. Hyprocites, you all!
We should have started complaining when we started throwing tyres on the heads of suspected robbers and burning them alive.
We should have complained when we hire police/mopol/military, to deal with people who offend us.
We should have complained when we arranged/took part in 'hits' as members of blackaxe/eiye/vikings/buccaneer etc.
We should have complained when we raped that girl we lured to our room back in the day.

We justify it when we do it. We say that's the only language Nigerians understand. So please tell me, WHAT ARE WE COMPLAINING ABOUT

@Abuzola, funny that u "personally see some of d Yoruba Muslim inferior bcoz their belief  (faith) is weak" because that is the same way Arabs see black muslims, inferior because their faith is considered weak.

I have an Hausa friend here in London who was told by  some Arabs he shouldn't`t even bother praying to Allah  as a black man, since he stood no chance of getting to heaven.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Moslems Considered Inferior To Hausa Moslems?
« #75 on: May 06, 2009, 06:42 PM »
Good point ! I personally see some of d yoruba muslim inferior bcoz their belief (faith) is weak

In England ethnicity is usually mentioned whenever a crime is  reported, that is standard practice in most parts of the World. Killings takes place in all parts of Nigeria, this beheading is no different from all the other killings that takes place in Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa or Kanuri land.

I don`t know y we take pleasure in dehumanising people just because of their ethnicity and yet we hate it when others do the same to us.

A babalawo is your African traditional healer like ur modern day Pastor / Imam. You go to them when u want spiritual help, similar to going to church or Mosque.

One of the best post have read on Nairaland, sadly enough I feel it`s almost a lost cause, the brain washing is too deep and probably irreversible. Our culture is riddled with myths and superstitions passed on from one generation to another from a very early age, by the time we reach adulthood the falsehood becomes so ingrained  to the point where we lose sense of reality.

Religion practiced today in Nigeria is a reflection of our culture, we have always believed that there are  individuals who have the powers to solve all our problems through spiritual means. Before the Arabs and Europeans came, we called them Babalawo, now they go by many names, men of god, pastor, imam, witch doctor and so on. But they all still  profess to have the ability to solve all our problems through spiritual means since they are the creators Representative here on earth.

While the Europeans have moved on to the world of science and reason we are still stuck in the world of spirits and demons.  We can only hope that with time we too will join the rest of the World in embracing reason instead of myths and superstitions.

I am high on hope, nothing stays the same 4 ever.

@ChinenyeN, I said until we stop feeling superior or better than each other there will be no peace/unity, that does not equate to never,
It just means this condition as to be met 4 peace and unity to prevail.

"Everyone is calling out 4 peace, but non is calling out 4 justice"

"until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned" there will be no unity or peace.

@Aloy Emeka, the Arabs and Oyibo also exported their religion, Islam and Christianity. I think we should be proud of also being able to export our religion to the rest of the World. At least no one is being forced or told they are going to hell if they don`t believe in Obatala, unlike the oyibo and Arab religions. The effects are there for all to see in Nigeria, where brother is killing brother 4 religion. The African religions accepts and tolerates other religions, something the the rest of the World can learn from. To me the tolerance aspect of the these religions is worth exporting. If these imperialist can export their religion of intolerance y can`t we export our religion of tolerance?

We have to let go of this destructive colonial mentality. African religions are not inferior to Oyibo religion, we all believe in the concept of a higher being(God)

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Re: Watch Ojo Mmaduekwe Talking Trash On Bbc Hard Talk.
« #106 on: January 22, 2010, 08:17 PM »
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Ojo Mmaduekwe, in the interview exhibited that famous Nigerian trait, arrogance void of reason.

Attacking Ojo Mmaduekwe or the way he speaks, isn`t attacking Ndigbo, just like attacking Obansanjo isn`t attacking Yoruba people.


@princek12, 4 all u know we might be from the same local government that is if u from the source of odua land. I speak 4 what is right regardless of ethnicity.

@Princek12,  highlighting the negatives of Lagos isn`t a good bench mark 4 labeling someone a bigot especially when all the negatives are there 4 all to see. He might not trivialize any achievements from the East neither does he sing their praise every second of the day, like some of us do with Fashola .
The man is only saying it`s still too early 4 the god like worship of Fashola, Lagos still as too many problems 4 that.

I think u need to stop looking at issues with ethnic lenses.  Aloy is one of the few on Nairaland that tries to be fair regardless of ethnicity. I don`t think Fashola is as great as u guys make him out to be, does that make me an ethnic bigot?

Fashola is doing okay but his praise singing is way over the top. Eco o ni baje though oti baje pata pata. I hope he continues on the right path.

@princek12, y do u call Aloy Emeka an ethnic bigot(tribalist)?

@Aloy Emeka, i understand what u saying u just chose the wrong topic. Unveiling the Logo 4 the carnival is news worthy but I guess u abit tired of the constant praise singing 4 fashola, i agree it`s over the top.

Ojo Mmaduekwe, in the interview exhibited that famous Nigerian trait, arrogance void of reason.  

On the accent issue, it`s is wrong and bias 4 us to expect others to sound fake, the only people that give a damn about silly things like that are people with a serius complex issues. The english language is spoken in thousands of accents, who are we to say one is right or better, as long as u are understood.  

The honerable minister spoke well and to the point, the only problem is he was never going to say what we all wanted to hear, he did his job according to how any foreign minister in his shoes will do it. If u are part of a government u have to tow the party line or u resign. He did however admit there is a constitutional crises, because there is no provision in the Constitution that deals with the long absence of the president.

Attacking Ojo Mmaduekwe or the way he speaks, isn`t attacking Ndigbo, just like attacking Obansanjo isn`t attacking Yoruba people. Many Nigerians have issues with their identity, that is y they don`t think it`s kool to have a Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or any Nigerian accent when speaking English.

y too different stories? Na wa 4 caf sef.

nig vs cam, check link.

http://allafrica.com/soccer/

Zambia plays Egypt, Nig vs Cam.

Yakubu always scored more goals than Obafemi Martins when they both played in the premiership. I never liked Martins as a striker, he was too wastefull in front of goal when he was at Newcastle United, always blasting the ball unlike Yakubu who was alot more clinical in front of goal.

No one as scored more goals 4 Nigeria than Yakubu in the present SE team. Non. He might be going through a bad spell due to injury and fitness, but there is no doubt he his the best Nigerian goal poacher out there. The record is out 4 all to see.