Thank you Minna person. I hope you are having a splendid time with Evilgenius and his henchmen? Since you cant understand anything from me, I guess am doing well. My intention is honesty and it should fly well over your head, based on my disagreement with Christianity, and shattered your hope! no?

As am very saddened by whats happening to my people, the nigerian populace after all these decades of end of Civil War, the 5th starting on the 15th of january 2010, we seem to not have learnt anything from all of these. I am wondering why a person should be afraid to live where he chooses to live, especially when he can afford it? I wonder even more intensely at the rational of the tribalism, sectionlaism, regionalism, painting people with broad strokes of horrible paint liberally carried by the brush of disunity.

@reindeer: « #96 on: Yesterday at 10:48:58 PM »

I think guys should just postpone their trips this year.I think tis is another reflection of 'money worship' that has become the norm in nigeria, everyone just wants to get money anyhow.
its unfortunate we have this kind of development, whats even more unfortunate is that grown ups, educated folks cant even think straight except in yoruba or igbo.
So sad for Nigeria

Not only yoruba or igbo, christian and muslim, also! And you a bigtime proponent of the Islam/Christian bit, similar to the bolded!

Toluxa1 is quoting Jeremiah to indicate what? The word of God or the word of Jesus? Is Jer written or revealed or preached by Jesus in his lifetime on earth? Did jesus really complete or finish anything? Anything at all according to what you guys are saying fromyour Bible? I am sure he didnt!

@Nuclearboy and his groupies: « #332 on: Yesterday at 10:11:01 PM »

@Toluxa1:
Save your breath and time. Earlier in this thread, I said a muslim contacted me. Same guy has again written me and asked me to read Surah 5:101 in which Allah warns muslims not to ask questions about things which if made plain to them, may cause them trouble. Any thing that could bring illumination must be kept away from and must not be considered whether reasonable or not. Please compare this to the God who said to "test ALL spirits". Anyway, olabowale has said we serve different gods.

So if I were you, I would have asked the muslim guy to give me meaning of it or at least his understanding. But you will not do that because your disbelieving soul will lead you to lies, falsities. Well, Alhamdulillah, the Quran is open for scrutiny and the Tafsir of Quran is now available on the internet. I like Tafisr Ibn Kathir, so I went to it, even though I know enough of the verse. Below you will read what the explanation is, including ahadith and examples of real life application.

The same guy wrote that I'm wasting my time cos none here will even bother to try to understand cos of the mindset and background. Sadly, he says he understands the issues involved but cannot convert for fear of his family and people.
I wish everyone luck here and my only reason for coming here was because I wondered at many things which have now become clear.
@Voltron: I actually ended up enjoying you at least for the humor. Cheers, Man

Tell you hypocrite guy to leave islam and if a yoruba guy, he can move to Ekiti State where most of them are Kufar, Christian and am sure they will accept him. No? No Yoruba person have been killed in Yorubaland for leaving Islam. Or are there, because no one has made an attempt on the lives of Ashimolowo, Bakare, etc, yet! Liars, you and your hypocrite friend. Alhamdulillah, am a yoruba and if I never live in that land, I will remain a 100% Yoruba blood, hence you cant pull a wool over my eyes!

Unnecessary Questioning is Disapproved of by Allah. Try to read this people and compare it to the best from your bible, the Mercy is known!

Allah said next, (O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.) This Ayah refers to good conduct that Allah is teaching His believing servants, by forbidding them from asking about useless things. Since if they get the answers they sought, they might be troublesome for them and difficult on their ears. Al-Bukhari recorded that Anas bin Malik said, "The Messenger of Allah gave a speech unlike anything I heard before. In this speech, he said, (If you but know what I know, you will laugh little and cry a lot.) The companions of Allah's Messenger covered their faces and the sound of crying was coming out of their chests. A man asked, `Who is my father' The Prophet said, `So-and-so'.

1). This Ayah was later revealed, (Ask not about things, ).'' Muslim, Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i recorded this Hadith. Ibn Jarir recorded that Qatadah said about Allah's statement, (O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.) Anas bin Malik narrated that once, the people were questioning the Messenger of Allah until they made him angry. So he ascended the Minbar and said, (You will not ask me about anything today but I will explain it to you.).

So the Companions of the Messenger of Allah feared that it was the commencement of a momentous event, and I looked to my right and left and found only people who covered their faces, crying. An argumentative man who was said to be the son of someone other than his true father asked, "O Allah's Messenger! Who is my father The Prophet said, `Your father is Hudhafah.'' `Umar stood up (when he saw anger on the Prophet's face) and said, "We accept Allah as our Lord, Islam as our religion and Muhammad as our Messenger, I seek refuge with Allah from the evil of the Fitan (trials in life and religion).''

The Messenger of Allah said, (I have never witnessed both goodness and evil like I have today. Paradise and the Fire were shown to me and I saw them before that wall.) This Hadith was recorded in the Two Sahihs from Sa`id. Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "Some people used to question the Messenger of Allah to mock him. One of them would ask, `Who is my father,' while another would ask, `Where is my camel,' when he lost his camel.

2). Allah sent down this Ayah about them, (O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble, ).'' Imam Ahmad recorded that `Ali said, "When this Ayah was revealed, (And Hajj to the House is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who can bear the journey.)[3:97], they asked, `O Allah's Messenger! Is it required every year' He did not answer them, and they asked again, `Is it every year' He still did not answer them, so they asked, `Is it every year' He said, (No, and had I said `yes', it would have become obligated, and had it become obligated, you would not be able to bear it.).

3). Allah sent down, (O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.).'' At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah also recorded this Hadith. The apparent wording of this Ayah indicates that we are forbidden to ask about things that if one has knowledge of, he would be sorry he had asked. Consequently, it is better to avoid such questions. rAllah's statement, (But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you.) means, if you ask about things that you are prohibited from asking about, then when the revelation about them comes to the Messenger , they will be made plain for you, (Verily! That is easy for Allah.). Allah said next, (Allah has forgiven that,) what you did before this, (and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.) Do not ask about things that do not have a ruling yet, for because of your questions, a difficult ruling may be ordained. A Hadith states, (The worst criminal among the Muslims is he who asks if a matter is unlawful (or not), and it becomes unlawful because of his asking about it.) It is recorded in the Sahih that the Messenger of Allah said, (Leave me as I have left you, those before you were destroyed because of many questions and disputing with their Prophets.). An authentic Hadith also states, (Allah, the Most Honored, has ordained some obligations, so do not ignore them; has set some limits, so do not trespass them; has prohibited some things, so do not commit them; and has left some things without rulings, out of mercy for you, not that He forgot them, so do not ask about them.).

Allah said next, (Before you, a community asked such questions, then on that account they became disbelievers.) meaning, some people before your time asked such questions and they were given answers. They did not believe the answers, so they became disbelievers because of that. This occurred because these rulings were made plain to them, yet they did not benefit at all from that, for they asked about these things not to gain guidance, but only to mock and defy.

(103. Allah has not instituted things like Bahirah or a Sa'ibah or a Wasilah or a Ham. But those who disbelieve invent lies against Allah, and most of them have no understanding.) (104. And when it is said to them: "Come to what Allah has revealed and unto the Messenger.'' They say: "Enough for us is that which we found our fathers following,'' even though their fathers had no knowledge whatsoever and no guidance.)

It always sounds funny to me when Muslims say this. Now let me show you this. This is what Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

1. the Comforter will abide with them “forever.” Mohammad did not live then, and could not do this – be with them. Now that he has come and gone, he is not with anyone forever.

2. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, not a man, who will “teach all things.” No man knows “all things,” only God.

3. The Comforter is a Spirit of Truth. Mohammad was a man, not a spirit.

4. Jesus had to leave so that the Comforter could come. That implied he was coming soon after Jesus left. Also, Jesus said that HE was sending the Comforter. Mohammad never claimed that Jesus sent him.

Even though Toluxa1 failed to start from the question and answer of what brough about the issue of another Comforter, and who was the earlier Comforter, we see that in the Bible, the quality of the another Comforter, maybe could be different from the other/earlier Comforter before him, I doubt it is, but for sake of argument, I shall accept that it may be different, so this another comforter to come, shall come after Jesus left: Muhammad (AS) came after jesus was lifted up! The another Comforter will teach you to all things: Muhammad (AS) taught all things, including the ettiquette of the bathroom, some of your "reason to joke", even though you leave the bathroom, dirtier than when you Christians enter it, will urine droppings wetting your undepants, and yellow cake staining the back, with a lot of smell along with it. THe another Comforter is a spirit of truth, and we see that prophets have been described as spirit of Truth, and false prophets are said to be not of spirit of truth! And saying that an entity abides for ever, we ask, is Jesus not abiding with those who say he is god or even prophets not abiding for ever? Yet he was said to have died, but we all agree he is not on earth, today. Yes? Muhammad by the same token, with the Quran given to him and his ahadith and sunnah are still here, fresh with the Muslims. It is abiding with us, forever, whereby some of us have dreamt about him and such a dream is true!

Again about the leaving; if it is spirit and not man, as the Christian says using the speaking in tongue as their illustration, we should know that "That Spirit" that the Christians are clamoring about has always been around, long befor Jesus, yet what he said will come is "another Comforter (spirit)"! How many people were supposed to see, hear his words, his teaching, etc and his abiding with them forever? It should be the complete disciples of Jesus and not more not not less! But as things turned out, Jesus of the Bible was wrong, because after his statement of the coming another comforter, the betrayer betrayed him and killed himself! So Jesus statement is forever wrong because of this.

I now ask; what did the spirit teach anyone then and even now: the music and piano and clapping and singing in church worship or what? The change from Sabbath to Sunday? the invention of trinity to make One Indivisible God? the eradication of Torah to just One single verse? What? And where is that Spirit to show me that it abides for ever, walking down the street of New York City? Funny Christian doctrine!

you should. work hard at it or them. may Allah help you and all muslims to be better believers. Amin.

@Toluxa1: « #23 on: Yesterday at 10:14:46 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on December 03, 2009, 12:16 AM
But in all of what Jesus did, he said with his own lips, unless the Bible is a liar (lol); "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". And to proof that point he called other tribemen obnobing with his people, dogs while his people are the "child at the table." The Jews call others today "gentiles" (lol).
The Lord's personal mission was to the Jews.

In my days there was something called Mission Impossible. The one commissioned for the mission, always have a boss. I am going to assume that Jesus must have a commissioner who commissioned him for his mission. No? If there is thats his Boss! Does God have a boss? no! The one who has a boss can never be a boss. Seriously!

Under the first commission his apostles were directed to go only to the Jews (Mt 10:6).

I guess this is the verse where Jesus says "I am only sent to the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel". No? It will come to hunt you in a minute so read below to see how deficient your further argument is, giving an inroad to the corruptions of Christianity and Bible from the commandments of The God Lord Almighty Creator!

It would be impossible to evangelize the Gentiles without setting aside the Jewish customs, the law of Moses, and arousing the bitterest prejudice of the Jews. Hence it was the divine plan that the Son should keep the law blameless during his ministry.

Where did Jesus say any or all of these? Would it, in part or in total not oppose Matt 10;6 where it is clearly stated that he was sent to the lost house of Israel? Is your God changing the mision, ever so profoundly because He did not know the end when the mission started? Nuclearboy, my other proof that your Christian God according to your Bible lack 100% knowledge!

It was only when the Jews crucified him that the handwriting of ordinances was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14), the wall of partition (Eph 2:14) between Jews and Gentiles broken down, and all prepared for the Great Commission which bade his disciples go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature (Mr 16:15).

Is there Jesus involvement in any of the verses? Did God of the Christian who commissioned Jesus now commissioned the writers of the Col, Eph, Mr etc (lol)? And I here that Jesus is the "finisher and completer of your Christian faith". No? I wonder how he completed and finishes, yet we have after completion and finishing Verses, a few above for your edifice! Ohsisi, Nuclearboy, your geese are cooked! Now defend your faith. Am sure it is indefensible.

Mr 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Liar! If he said it, then his very statement of Mat 10;6 is now being opposed by Mr 16;15 by the writer of this silly and lying verse! Now which one is correct, since your christian God is not the Author of confusion? And if there is any example of confusion, is there a better posterchild than the two verses oposing each other? I know there are equal posterchildren as well!

Do the complete Hijab and Kimar (irun is just part of it, so is the complete orun), for Allah, if your office/job permits it. Olowo ori and you are on the same platform; both are slaves of Al Rahman. May Allah help us all. Amin/

« #160 on: December 05, 2009, 11:07 PM »
How nice
gather more thieves, burglars and people with violent tendencies

Only if I could have the authority to get dr. reindeer to america to see the violence in the highest order by the followers of Jesus; killing for a dollar or less. Raping, senseless and cowardice killing of shooting a woman from the back (happened today in NYC), robbing, drunkenness and disregarding the rule of law because of unfettered "freedom". Ohsisi, tell this dude about how lewd the people in warn climates of georgia, southern california, new mexico, arizona, neveda (please dont talk about sin city of las Vegas, where you could get a hooker anytime of the day in the casinos, or freemont street; the old downtown and the other surrounding casino towns and villages. lol), etc, etc (nudity, cheap sex with loosie (a stick of or two of cigerette), even now the white suburbanites are doing it, girls as young as 13 are now having unimaginable wild sexual orgies and we remember the high school girls in Massachussets who all got pregnant (Lets ask my girl JeSoul if you dont know that. She will not deny the even in her home state).

And when you guys lie, know that we in Islam know when you are lying. And if we want, we deflate your egos by exposing your falsities!

Ohsisi, I just listened to Senator Jack Reed of Nevada criticising the Republicans about Health Care, comparing their obtrution to the opponents of Abolition of Slavery, Equal rights and Woman rights.

Yet these people were Christians in the days. And even Christians, today. In both situations, there is the "what could Jesus have done" moment! Another proof that you guys always oppose Jesus, yet you claim you follow him. No?

I know what Muhammad (AS) could have done. Each situation is in the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.

@reindeer, jcross22, no2atheism, ohsisi, etc: « #172 on: Yesterday at 11:42:08 PM »

Quote from: jcross22 on Yesterday at 11:41:08 PM
@all muslims, OH OH OH OH OH OH AH AH AH AH AH ANYTIME AM ON THIS SITE I FEEL SO RELAXED BECAUSE I USE TO SEE SOME FUNNY AND FUNNY MUSLIMS MENTALITIES AND INTELLIGENT SO FUNNY. AM SORRY FOR THE FAMILY OF DECEASED.WE SHOULD STOP DISTURBING THEM MAJORITY OF THEM KNOW THE TRUTH BUT THE PROBLEM THEY ARE HAVING NOW IS THAT YOU LEAVE THE RELIGION YOU FACE DEATH PENALTY SO YOU SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM LIE . A TIME IS COMING WE WON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIMS WAY OF SERVICE B,COS IN SOME PART OF ILORIN THEY ARE USING JAZZ IN THE MOSQUE WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED BEFORE , NOW SOME MUSLIMS ARE DOING NIGHT VIRGIL EVEN THEY ARE GOING TO MOUNTAIN TO PRAY , LITTLE BY LITTLE IT ALL WILL BE DIMINISH ,OKAY HAVE YOU HEARD THAT SOME IMAMS OR ALFAS ARE USING OLIVE OIL FOR SPIRITUAL PACKAGE .

If I say I know how to react to the above, I will be lying. However, I will try to state a reactionary to the bolded, and the post in general. Islam to us children of Adam, is a religion that is to be precticed by humans across the racial divides. The reigion is so natural that it appeals to the natural inclinations of mankind. What you dont see as to God and all His Abilities and what He Restricts of Himself, you hear it or read it, it is not difficult for you to understand or accept. What are allowed for man is allowed. What are forbidden are forbidden. The human is tested, and God does not test Himself. Frankly, why should He tset Himself? Now therefore there are people in Nigeria, still bearing Islamic names, but then are Christians, even Pastors. No one has been killed for just that in Nigeria, since Ilorin is supposed to be a muslim city. The young female senator, Gbemi Saraki was even dubbed "sin-nator" clearly not following the precept of Al Islam, no one has gotten her killed. I am using all of these just to show that you christians always produce "Hugwash (pig wallowing water)! The bolded therefore is so silly considering that some hybrid has been developed called ChrIslam, which is a complete disbelief, so telling me some Ilorin people playing Jazz is not even an issue. You christians and them the fake Muslims shall all be herded like "cattles to drinking water" to your abode which is hell fire at death, for disbelief! Olive oil and olives are liberally consumed by those who consume them, among mankind, and muslims are not different in ths respect. There is no annoitting in Islam and no stupid spirituality package of any kind with or without Olive oil in Islam! We leave that to your Kufar mind! Any muslim, Alfa or otherwise who gets out of Quran and Sunnah (Hadith in Speech) is already a disbeliever. I dont know how best to help your disbelieving mind to know that Islam is not what a deviant Ilorin or for that matter any part of the world fake believer does! islam is already packaged, complete and preserved in its state from the time of Muhammad (AS) and nothing will change it. Anything outside it, that can not be find in it, is outside of it! Now stop discussing ChrIslam and its varied types. And as of the vigil, there is something called aatikaf and lailatul Qudri (Night of Power) are exactly that, and in your own vigil, tell me which night Vigil did Jesus engage in (I hope someone will mention at Garden of Gashemane), and your vigil is not a made up thing then?



@0hsisi; « #173 on: Today at 01:54:25 AM »

Quote from: No2Atheism on Yesterday at 11:42:08 PM
Islam and plagiarism . . . . . . . . . . .copy copy

Is there anything original about Islam
a little from here ,a little from there.
Islam is born
a little of Christianity,a little of old Jewish practices,a little of Idol worship,a little of popular science back in the day,a little of arab traditions.
Islam is like goat peppersoup, with shaki,intestines,tongue,tail meat,liver ,heart,kidney then small steak then unwashed bitterleaf.

plagiarism my left hand and its function in the bathroom. Thats what your claims of plagiarism is to us. Now ohsisi, maybe I can finally get you sneared-in in the muslim mercy net by your vomitted lies, above! Could you tell me what is completely and uniquely Christian, or Jewish, or Idol worship, or popular science back in the day, or arab tradition, that we have in Islam? Please am begging you to just point just one out! Now, woman when you fail, and am certain you will fail, you must now stop teasing us and just put on Hijab and kimar and make sajdah right away without wasting any more of our time! Talk is cheap, woman. I dislike cheap things.

Oh, I saw the pepper soup thing. The last time I had something like that was 1995, at a restaurant named Adabro in East Orange, New jersey. The reason I dont eat things like that anymore is that its always a bowel busters and I dont eat too much red meat, any longer! Wash you bitter leave woman. And can you make the best pepper soup without all those ingredients? While Christianity is a pepper soup missing some of what you listed. Judaism is another pepper soup some of the ingredients. Science is another peppersoup with incomplete ingredients. Arab tradition is another pepper soup missing something. Idol worship is yet another pepper soup suffering the same fate, ala Ohsisi's ingredient list.

It is Islam that produces the perfect pepper soup as Ohsisi have wisely stated. Just because other terrible ewww/yaw keey/pepper soup of various tastes and ingredients were made, could that take away from the one perfectly produced just because it has similar ingredients and consumed by a person who has delicate pallet? Ohsisi, you are in hot seat, wanting to see how you will extracate yourself!

@Ohsisi: « #162 on: Today at 04:42:26 AM »

Who said earlier that Islam will enter every home.
They are right in a way.The fear of Islam has entered virtually every home.
Who wants to die before their time at the hands of a lunatic?

Woman, I though you are never going to die, raptured, I think you are expecting it. No, or you already resigned to the reality that no soul will not taste death? Ohsis, bia, woman, listen to me and dont be arrogant. Go put on Hijab and prostrate your face to the One Irresistable God. Leave the non-slimey Ogbono and prepare Okra water on the stove top!

You are alive and we in Islam have invited you and will witness against you. Do that and get all your families; inner family and extended family involved in Islam.

@reindeer: « #160 on: December 05, 2009, 11:07 PM »

How nice
gather more thieves, burglars and people with violent tendencies
Alhaji olabs, i love islam, its obviously a religion for people
whose wives are to be despoiled
whose shops are to be robbed
or who are planning to rob shops
nice one
and the religion is so apt for the people in it, imagine how smart they are to have needed lectures on how to urinate without soiling their undies
clap clap clap!Hurray for the sharp mohamedans

By virtue of my marriage to an Igbo woman, I can definitely say am an Igboman, the same way Zaynab is Yoruba woman, even leaving out her Lagos birth. Okay she is Ijebu Ode woman and am Owerri man! So, now I can use my Igbo tribe to illustrate issues where Christianity majority is applicable. There are no armed burglars. no violent people in igbo Christendom. No wife dispoilers, shop robbers, or people planning to rob shops, among the Igbo Christians. And Dr. reindeer does not shake and clean the carrot top after uninating, but I hope he scrubs before he puts on the operation gown! No? You must be smelly for not having a good hygeine below, with soiled underpant with Yellow cake (ala Dick Cjeney's Niger product in Iraq for mass destruction; lol) in the back and discoloring or urine in the front!

Please let your wife read what I wrote about you. She will have a laugh and a good arsenal to deflate your ego when you throw Yanga in front of her. Go put odor-meter in your pant after many urine and you will see how dirty it is!

@Ugonna254: « #164 on: Today at 09:44:28 AM »
[quote\Quote from: olabowale on December 05, 2009, 10:34 PM
@RANK007: « #128 on: Yesterday at 06:00:55 PM » CNN USA, New York City's Post and daily news and I have a feeling that it must have filled the internet by now; Muhammad Sahail from Pakistan, owns a grocery story on Long Island, NY, and a man came to rob it this past May. Muhammad took his gun out, surprising the thief, first that a man stands up to fight for his properties, unlike you yellow belly who will let some hoodlum sleep with your wife in your own home, just because you are not ready to die.
Second, when the thief knew that his goode is cooked he went on his knees, begging. The muslim gave him a loaf of bread and 50 USD and advised him to go lead a clean life free of evil deeds. He didnt call the cops on him and he did nt say oh let pray, both the Christians would have done forcing the poor man to choose the less of two evils; either prison or becoming a born again pagan.
The thief this past few days wrote a letter of appreciation and included a 50 USD note. He declared that he is now a muslim. This last part, Ohsisi kills your opinion, once again that muslims are made in the prison. By the way Rank007, I have just shown you one thing that even Biblical jesus could not do. It is done by the follower of Muhammad (AS), even after 1400 he had left this earth, his message is as punyant as it delivered, just today. You see kindness? Having mercy, forgiving nd showing kindness when you are in the position where you have 100% advantage, to avenge, punish and give justice, yet you show mercy, wholesome forgiveness, and never turn the man to the authority to be punished and or push him to accept Islam on his tongue without first reaching his heart.
@Viaro, Davidylan, Neotic15, Nezan, reindeer, and gang who asked about the value of islam, there is your answer. Ohsisi, I want you to go get into a Hijab and a Kimar on your head, pronto! Am winning, hands down.
What is the moral of this your story? Have you forgotten September 11 so soon?

[/quote]From my home on September11,2001, I watched the airplane hit the second tower! Not on TV, but from my window. So do you tell me what happened on that day, or should I tell you?


[quote]Who perpetrated that abysmal crime? Aliens I guess

19 Muslims! And we are 1.5 Billion people, presently by your estimate. Now tell me, is the whole of Nigeria Frauster, 419ers, because of 1,000,000 committing this crime, yet Nigeria is only 150 Million people? Wanna do the ration of both scenarios and know who is lying between you and I, when we factor in that a Nigerian Musician sang about 419 praising this evil thing and EFCC, the government and no one of you has said that was a song in bad taste? Have you heard muslims singing about praising the 911 perpetrators as Islamic heroes? If anyone did, I hereby say that they and the singers are completely wrong and no nothing about the religion of Islam.

Please go and get a life. What the man did in the story you told above he did out of human sympathy and not because his religion told him to do so.

What a dummy! You know Islam or I know Islam? You hae never seen a Pakistani, in your entire life. I live with my boy Amir Malik born here when he was in college. I have a lot of them as friends. Intimate froiends. I will speak to one today, yet. Yesterday I did. If you know them, they have hard heart, similar to the Indians because they are the same. Yet it is Islam that differentiates them from Hindus or Sihks, or Christians, etc! THe guy said his mother, and Allah honors mothers, and the role of mothers include nurturing. You think Pakistani is kind because he is just being a human, instead of Islam? You must be kidding because those of them who left or at least not practicing Islam are as hard as a nail! Please go get a life in the city maybe you will find some pakistan, maybe the makers of the satellite Dish; Strong1 Brothers in Abuja!

Okay was it not on the news that I saw a 6year old Pakistani boy who had his hand crushed by a truck for stealing bread cos he was hungry! Adults held him down and an adult drove the truck over his hand. And they were muslims! Lets stop fooling ourselves and face the reality. We need to make the world a safer place for generation unborn. All these argument about supremacy is irrelevant.

And cutting human's hand is not by truck. It should be by knive, a machete, a saw! Truck, even by your visual estimate will crush, not cut and it will be completely against islam. Following the Order of Allah, and the example of His Messenger (AS), no one who has not reached puberty can be punished. No sin is recorded. I am now going to say that the picture that got you windup is probably a stage by the enemy of islam or those who are ignorant, because if they are going to cut, ok crush the hand or arm, why wrap it up? Not to get dirty?


@MAYOWAAK; « #165 on: Today at 01:55:47 PM »

Quote from: MAYOWAAK on December 05, 2009, 01:01 PM
Mohammed was only a reformer who succeded in reducing the over 500 gods worshipped in Arabia to only one by the name of allah.It is common knowledge that gods are appeased by the killing and shedding of blood of human beings.Little wonder pilgrims die in the course of stoning an imaginary satan that exist only in their imagination.
Where are the followers of Mohammed who was a foremost GIGOLO, whose first wife was 26 years older than he was and a certified PAEDOPHILE who snatched his own son"s wife to fault my assertion which was posted 2 days ago.Perhaps they are on a research tour to Arabia to ascertain the veracity.Safe journey,may your historical excursion yield positive results.

This wife Khadijah (RA) was only 15 years older, stop your disinformation (that means lie)! 26 is 11 years more than 15, duuh!My dear Mayowaak, if you are a woman and you have been married 2 times, and you marry a 15 year younger (okay a 26 year younger (lol)) man, who was a virgin when he married you, will it be accurate for any person call him a Gigolo? Okay, lets turmn it around to woman man instead of the man woman situation between he and Khadijah. If you are a man and have been married and divorced twice, and just by your good fortune, and a virgin who is younger than you by 15 years or 26 years, should it be right for anyone call her a prostitute or a gold digger, since she is a virgin? Stop the ignorance, Mayowaak! And an adopted son is not a blood relation. Davidylan is my adopted son, but is he my son? Only on my lips. My genetics is not his genetics, we have nothing common as in blood, except that we are all Adam's son. And it is permissable that Adam children can marry one another. It is also permissable that divorced women can marry, unlike your religion where it becomes forbidden, the reason prostitution will abound by it!

If Muhammad (AS) was only a reformer, he must have discarged his duty very well. Muhammad (AS) says there is 1 God, even Jesus and your ghost, neither is a God, but gods in your mind to cheapen the True God. Oh, if a christian dies in the course of any christian religious duty, then my induction as you have said of Islam, above, the death of that christian is demanded to appease the Christian God. No? Therefore try the death of Jesus of the Bible! It is to appease Biblical God. No?

Viaro rests on Sundays. I have some Nigerian friends who shutdown from Sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday! Viaro, who is right between the two of you? Christianity is losing people of Christian Heaven to people of Christian Lake of Fire even before Jesus comes down to swoop them up in a single rapture!

No, Viaro?

@DBR: « #326 on: Today at 04:10:59 PM »

@
the seeker
With your post i imagine u can help me.
I asked a Q earlier and im yet to get an answer.
Pls who or wat wrote the Quran?
oNe

The yorubas say "aa dadee ko nrinu ade" (the wearer of the crown does not see the inside of the crown). He commands how it should be made and when they put it on his/her head its always from the back,

Allah Commands the words to be written down for all, Muhammad (AS) to memorise it. It came in revelation, a resolve as appropriate, piecemeal by piecemeal to issues that affects mankind into belief, in a 23 year period.

Now, pls who or wat wrote the Bible? I ask in the same manner as you had asked; who or wat!

@Nuclearboy: « #321 on: Today at 04:08:44 AM »  

AS I've said earlier, its you that is limiting God. I don't understand if you think you've achieved sarcasm when you ask if He can be any of the extremes you state, but God is not limited to any imagination and can do whatever He wants or show Himself as whatever He wills.
Keep it in mind He is not a Yoruba King who needs to show Himself as "Ekeji Orisha" or olabowale who has to "win" on NL cos of his pride. Here, there's simply no point to prove cos God is God and He knows it.
BTW Nuclearboy, why do you even bother with someone who has "christians" doing magic shows for him in his sleep? Or is it "chum chi chum"? Can't you see that "Afefe ti sapa lori ni!"

If I were a christian I will respond to the bolded with "ki ibi ma pada lo si ori onibi!" Alhamdulillah, am a muslim, so I will not say that, since I do not even fear, any but Allah, Alone, and by my fear I run to Him, seeking forgiveness and His mercy, instead of trying to run away from Him, since I know that I cant escape Him, if He wishes me evil!

In my proof of the limitation of Biblical God, while in my today's wise world I can not hide from the reach of Allah, but the naive Adam after eating the apple was able to hide from the Bible God/Yahweh/Jehovah, or maybe Jesus (jester voltron asked nuclearboy) or ghost (jester voltron asked nuclearboy, another question) or all of the three or some combination of them in lock steps (Jester Voltron asked Nuclearboy yet this assortment of 3 questions), The Bible God was looking around for him, in the garden, asking "Where are you?" I asked you, which of the two have Unlimited Power and Knowledge? A God that cant even protect a single man, Adam from eating what he must not eat (I hope this dude nuclearboy makes the mistakes of asking if the Muslim God knows if Adam will even approach the tree, then i will just quote The Ayah in Surah Baqarah which says to the Angel "I am going to create a Viceroy on the earth), and you think He has power to come on earth?

Maybe you are right because as he got on earth, his power diminished exponentially, the reason he needed mommy's breast milk, needed mom to wipe his butt when he made poo (am using your language), then later graduated to semi solid food, then to solid food and in the long run did not do more than what ordinary man, messenger and prophet Musa (AS)! No wonder the people did not listen to Jesus the human god, while Musa was a big boss on them. No wonder the hoodlums of jerusalem not more than 5000 (am exagerating now) were able to hang him! Is that God or god, Nuclearboy?


@DBR; #322 on: Today at 07:59:21 AM »  

Ok, the batton just passed from Abozola to Olabowale.

there is no race here, please.

Few Q for u tho:
Was God limited. as u claimed when your Quran or u moslems claim that the Bible which is the word of God is corrupted?

No where in the Quran is "THe Bible" mentioned. If you can find it, please show it to me. "Bible" I said, so dont bring about Torah, or Sabur, or Injil. Okay?

As in, God DID NOT have the power to protect the Bible.
Or He GROWS in power hence He cudnt protect the Bible from corruption but OVERTIME has grown in power
to protect Quran?/

refer to my response, above.

U r the one who limits God or even your Allah.

Bible God is different in evey respect from Quran God.

Cos u try to mentally figure him out and limit His operation to only what your finit mind can handle.
And the finite minds of your teachers of comparative religion gathering tryin to box an infinite God.

Quite the opposite by me. Allah says of Himself what I say on the web. I do not try to analyse Him. I couldnt, but free to analyse anything that is not Him. So I ask you again, sqeeze three into One or 1 into 3.

U talked bout KA BI o Ko Si in yoruba. Doesnt that mean u cant Q God?

This quote you will find in Quran. Try Surah Baqarah verse 255. Show me in the Bible where Bible God says he is coming to the earth as a human being to die?

So if God says the way to salvation if by sendin Jesus, y Q him?

Show this from the Torah, because it should be revealed prior to Jesus coming, and not after!

If he say Today hav i begoten thee, referin to Jesus, who r to to Q the Kabio ko si?
U contradict urself ma friend.

Begotten thee according to the Bible was said to many, including Jacob, His first son. No? You are tripping yourself.

Lastly if i may ask, what part of the Bible is Corrupted?

God cant be One and be three. That will be multiple personality, a big time Psychiatry desease. No? I think that is enough. Yet I have many more, but it will be a waste to give you everything in one shot!

Cos u ket sayn Paul this Paul that? Is your issues with d epistles od paul?

Is Paul the mouth piece of God or Jesus is, only in the New Testament, considering that Moses was in OT? Is Paul the mouth piece of Jesus, or it should be the disciples who knew Jesus? PLease if the Bible is the word of God, when we can point out word of Paul and others, it killeth that statement about "Bible being absolutely word of God", which in essence makes it a corrupted word of God, because we read word of Paul, and gang, two. No?

Majority of u agree that the old testament is the word of God , so i need an answer here.
oNe

What happened to NT is what happened to OT, both are corrupt!

« #323 on: Today at 09:17:30 AM »  
And yea, pls who wrote the Quran?
oNe

Allah. Nothing in it except what Allah says must be in it.


@nuclearboy (m): « #324 on: Today at 09:37:18 AM »  
The """"facts"""" according to Voltron are obvious:
[1] You have a right to put "Allah" in a box limited to your own imagination. Because He is God and you are the almighty "voltron [defender of the universe and oldest jester on NL]", He cannot go outside your own imagination!

[/quote]Silly statement. Dont worship me because you can worship anything. For me, am a human being, with no power to do anything, so you will lose in addition to the loss of worshipping trinity, already!

[2] He (like me and "voltron" has a house and cannot be in more than one place at a time. I wonder if he sleeps and then the universe runs by itself

Itherefore, your bible is wrong to say that God rested. No? I hope you can navigate the maze of rest!

[3] Everything He does was inherited from another god(?) called by his same name before he appeared on the scene to show he was the real god simply by saying so to Muhammad PRIVATELY!!! And you have to face a certain direction for him to hear you. North, west and South are controlled by other "powers"[/quote}this is the most unintelligent thing, bar none, you have said. I am in the west to Kaaba, so I face east ward, directing my face to it. Those on the east of Kaaba face it westward. Those noth to it, southward, and those south, northward and finally if you are in its vicinity, you just face it. If you are inside it, you just face anywhere except the roof! No salah or supplication is permissable with eyes raised.
Who heard God saying to Jesus that Jesus is God? Do you have proofs that Jesus is The Always Alive, Never Dead, Indivisible, All Powerful, etc, etc God? PastorAIO, se o ngbo bi mo se nda omode yi, ribo ribo? I am using heavy foot to keep it (his idea)!


[quote][3] Christians (those ridiculous Jesus worshiping demons) are much stronger than Allah and had the power to disrupt/cancel/change his word.

What Allah permits of evil of the heart of man, after He has commanded against it, the free will given to that person he/she is being used for evil. So out of the free will, the Jews have changed the Books in their custody, whose fault is that? Heck, they in their own free will concorted a scheme to kill your God, Jesus. No? And according to you they succeeded. Is that action not an action of corruption, since God is supposed to be always alive, and no one can kill him? Or is Christian god a quick to die diety. Either way, you lose!

Now tell me will the Jews who killed Jesus go to Heaven like the Christians or they will go to lake of fire like the muslims? (lol). If they will go to heaven like you, then Jesus death was actually in vain, meaningless as it actually serves no purpose, even against the people who do not believe it and not believe in him. If the Jews will go to hellfire, like the muslims, then it shows that there is no mercy in the Christian God, etc and their going to this place for punishment is because their OT is different from the NT, in belief and other substances; The jews said "we are against you/killing you" because of you saying that you are equal to God. No? Now the OT says "not equal to God", the NT says "equal to God"! Who is correct? There is your answer, Nuclearboy, the unstable book, always going through changes, since Allah allows the free will of the Jews to be able to overcome your human god, so it shows that your God is not really God, and that since there are disagreements in your Book, then, which is correct and which is doctored between the OT and NT?

He couldn't stop them since they were so powerful and so the only rebuttal Allah has for their "demonic" activities is Olabowale's noise that they are wrong since Allah cannot (or prefers not to) defend himself from the antics of keferis! Those christians must be shaitan "gan gan". A shaitan more powerful than the god.

Nuclearboy, when you say these things about Allah being eak, have you even thought about the fact that you have a dead God, Jews laugh at you more than I laugh at you, and it is an endictment on the all time weakness of your God? Allah is undying and no one can even see Him. The fact that you are allowed to be with a hard heart, disbelieving is simply because your soul is a disbeleievr by your choice, why blaming the God that allows you to exercise your free will? Allah says in the Quran, the way of righteousness is set clear from the path of unrighteousness. Allah says Allah does not force people against their will to accept religion, so that they do not say "Allah forced me to accept Islam". These verses are in Quran. So your silly assumptions are just that, silly.

[4] Only Muslims know the parts of the Bible that have been corrupted. The owners of Christianity do not know as much about Christianity as Muslims know

Tell me which one is correct, OT God is One. NT God is Three? This is obvious for those whose who can see!

[5] Christians are "totally ashamed" because elder voltron the baby brain has "crushed" us by saying he is right, telling us about ijebu land and Zainab and informed us that turkeys and bullshit are his area of expertise and thus we are wrong.

Am an Ijebu boy. Am also Zaynab's husband. Unless you can proof me wrong in either, the condition stands. Turkey and Bull dung, you brought them. No? You should be ashamed of saying human is God in the same breath the Onifa says Ifa is God. No?

I beg, I need a cup of water and some fresh air before I start throwing up. Then we'll come back for the "extended stories" REPLY since points cannot be kept to or direct queries answered. Noise must be adhered to

Its nice to purge yourself of the rotten things you gubbled up already. That will allow you to be ready to accept truth, because you must be ready for it. No?  

sorry my dear for calling you aniola. Adiona, was what I wanted to write.

@aniola: « #16 on: Today at 09:51:49 AM »

@sexy gee, u aint gonna undastnd wat am talking abt k, muslims are the most misreable peeps i ave eva come across, am telling u this wif a proof cos experienced smfin that was rilly baddddddddddddddddddd,

I wonder if you could tell us the experience to proof your point? Hopefully, it will cover the personality, so am preparing myself for your pointer that wll show that am one of the most miserable peeps, a group numbering 1.5 B presently!

i wonda why thier doctrine is so scary, they can kill for anyfin,

Christians who kill for there country, thats not killing for "anyfin", actually something? Which is greater in your mind, Christianity or your country if you have to choose one as the anyfin to kill for? I hope you will not choose country because Bible Jesus must be angry by it. No? Thinking his religion is not good enough, beloved to you that you can kill for it, yet you can renounce a country for another, yet country of origin shall not be a platform for which you will be allowed in Christian Heaven or condemned to Lake of Fire. Which is the one you will kill for, or die for, aniola?

they will always tell u jesus neva died for our sins, imagine that,

Show me a verse from Jesus even in your Bible, which is riddiled with opinions passing for Jesus statements in the Gospels, where Jesus said "I am going to, or dying, or my death is for your sin". Just a single verse, woman! Stop being so emotional. Imagine that!

hw culd a an imam call on allah and also practise witchraft gosh,

Am not even an Imam, and I dont call on allah or practice witchcraft! I worship and call on Allah the Almighty. I remember 2 years ago, a friend told a pastor to pray for me. This was her own choice and I will never ask a Keferi to pray for me, never! So the pastor said he will like to have me on the phone according to what my friend said. I told her, look, if you guys wanna make your prayers, I cant stop you, but I dont wanna be on the line because there is no need. Anyway, after a 20 minutes conversation, I agreed to even hear the voice of the pastor, setting my own ground rule, that if I hear jesus, or Ghost or yahweh, or some disbelieving statement cronic with the Christians, I will hang up without informing anyone.

The pastor came on line and the first thing he said was "we do not shave the head with the owner of the head being present." I asked myself, this guy have lost with me. As he began his prayer, the moment I heard him say something, click was my response. I hung up! Later I met this young man, and am still working on him. I have already planted in his heart that all the tricks of disbeliefs are (daif) weak, empty and ineffective!

@adiona: « #7 on: December 05, 2009, 05:25 PM »

the truth still reamains the same that all muslims are terrorists,

Thats not true, considering that you dont have 1.5 Billion terrorist on earth, today. Let me help you since you seem to be so emotional; Yar'Adua, the President of Nigeria is not a terrorist. Who has he terrorised, if you compare that to george Bush or even Obasanjo? How about the Governor of Lagos State? How about Ahmad Kazai, who is clearly against taliban and Alqaida? How about the President of pakistan who is clearly doing the same like Kazai?

wicked jujuish and i'll keep on saying that 4eve,

I dont do Juju and not wicked. I dont even say "return to sender" when somebody say evil thing against me. The return to sender folks are the Christians whose forgiveness for the most part never come from the earth, and there is no event or example that christians have walked away gracefully, execpt that they do "pre-emptive" strike instead of "turning the other chick, as you have said Jesus told you, clearly different from the Jewish OT rules of an eye for an eye. We see the Christians always choose the Eye for an eye bit, rejecting Jesus injuction(s), the reason you can never be a true follower of Jesus, because you Bible proofs you otherwise!

they are the most miserable and foolish peeps on earth, imagine hw culd a man marry as much as 5wives,

So her reason for the miserability and foolishness is based on 5 wives! If a person marries 1 wife and many girlfriends out there, she will not say the person is miserable and foolish. But is this what you want for your husband, sneaking out like Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, Jessie Jackson, etc, instead of having wholesome hostest to goodness marriage, where there is no secrets? Besides muslim males are not supposed to marry 5 wives, and muslim women dont marry more than 1 husband at a time! You are ignorant about Islam, seriously.

@crackles u are a first class buffon, slowpoke come figth na, the truth hurts u knw, accept the truf u foolish muslims, christians love each other and that genuine agape love, pin ha liu mi nu hiu la, i laugh in chinese,

How can you say the bolded with straight face, considering in the main religious section, we see threads where a Pastor in Nigeria is circumventing another, declaring one is already in Hell Fire, instead of Lake of Fire, and some guy sneaking around snatching the wife of another. All of these in our beloved Nigeria. Are you serious, woman? You need a husband and some muslim man may just marry you, say McCrackles? That is if you are going to be a partner, a mate and not "fightie, fightie" please. The thing you will not get from him, is having girlfriend while pretending to you that you are the only wife, like Tiger is doing with his wife Enil!

@Nuclearboy: « #318 on: Yesterday at 10:24:29 PM »

All hail our resident oldest court-jester on Nairaland.
@Jester-Voltron:

You have not even settled on a name yet? Carry on with your experimentayion of names. Somehow, you will settle on one. no?

It is YOU that limits God by saying there are things He cannot do. He luckily, does not limit Himself to your imagination which is of less mass than the average soldier ants antennae

So going by your statement, the Christian supreme deity (am ashamed to say God here. May Allah forgive me of my transgression as am trying to beat sense into the head of that nuclearboy. Amin), can be a monkey, a poo, a urine, etc, etc, etc. REmember there is no limit to what He can transform to. Its your world man, and am just tagging along, reminding you. Just maybe you can finally wake up from your arrogance, dilutional position. You will defeat yourself in your definition of God, not honoring Him at all! Dont you know that God limits Himself and He has Pride, yet no Arrogance, hence He allows people like me to make mistake and seek forgiveness, and you a darn kufar to hear the numerous preaching from the muslims, hopefully your hard heart may soften up and accept guidance before its too late for you? You think there will be a rapture? Not on your life! Jerry Fahwell of Moral Majority died hoping for it. Robinson, and all these preachers will hope and each one of them will regret it when they see that the sun is setting on them. (You to Pastor AIO. Ogbeni, o je gba Olorun Oba gbo ni Ikon sho sho).

One day, you will keep to the topic. At that time, people will take you serious. Until then, , ,

Your statement reminds me of what the grandson of late jazz trumpete giant Mile Davies said about himself to his son and grandson, both who are muslim "I cant prostrate my face!" Yet he told his son and Ali, his grandson and others, that he can tell that Islam is it! Dont you have any sense to know there way three gods will be equal to One God?

@SeanT21: « #13 on: December 05, 2009, 07:45 PM »

Quote from: Krayola on December 05, 2009, 02:36 PM
How does one "make" a religion?
Say "God" were to "make" a religion, how would he do it?
Scientology anyone.

By courtesy of the people of Antioch, we have a similar situation under the fast talking L. Robert of Scientology! No?

A Jew immediately the Antioch people gave that name, could easily ask the question "Christianity, anyone?"

@FayeZik: « #95 on: Today at 01:17:43 AM »  

@ my muslim bothers and sisters
What is the difference between Salat Subuhi and Salat Fajr, if there is any.

Salatul Subh is the name. Fajr is the time that you make this salah. Fajr (Time of Dawn) begins when the time of Fasting begins and extends up to just before the sun rises, when the salatul Subh will be late to make. But of course, if for any reason you did not make this salah in its time, then you let the sun rise and until it loses its redness, usually it takes 20 minutes in north america for this. You can assume that it will not be more than 30 minutes in your location, anywhere in the world, easily visually verifiable, then you make the salah without the Sunnah, going straight to the Fard, the 2 Rakah.  

Also, a friend of mine, who is a converter asked why do muslim women pray behind their men?  Why not side by side or may be, women in the front , men at the back.  Does this have anything to do with culture or it's just islamic.

There is no ethnical culture in pure Islam, but Islamic culture developed uniquely from Quran, and Sunnah. None of it has nothing to do with arab or no arab. Now, Allah commands the Hijaba (vein or partition between man and woman, and hence prayer of women in the back, because in Madina where salah was commanded to be observed, a romantic interest developed between a particular man and a woman, whereby the man will wait at the back to see the woman come to pray. The woman, when she comes in will move forward in the front of the woman to make het prayer. We all know who sensuous woman is, the shape and all. Prophet Musa (AS) made it an obligation not to walk behind the women of Madian, from which he finally married, knowing fully well the possible temptations.

This woman when she comes to pray, knowing man is in the back looking, she will bow and hold it long, turn back to be sure that the man is looking. She will make a prostration in a sensuous way, even though these are important positions of the salah, now turned to sexual intentions between interested opposite genders, taking away from their attention to salah for Allah the Almighty. I do not have to tell anyone that usual sexual relationship occurs when a woman is in front of a man, therefore, Allah commanded against woman in from of man, in order to protect both.

Aloy~Emeka: Why is it that you, have been pretending that Jesus is God, son of God, while you say pretense, yet Jesus says his Lord God is One Lord? Are you for real, man?

@Toluxa1; « #314 on: Today at 09:56:03 PM »

Answer my question, ola.
Tomorrow I will fully explain the concept of Begotten Son of God to EVERYONE OF US. It has alot to do with the whole Topic of Salvation and How (and when) did Christ die for us. Many Christians don't know this and I hope we will learn. As a matter of fact it will be for Christians and in the process help you know what begotten son of God is. I have to turn off my generator now.

And when you finish up. I wil kick it so hard with a heavy foot, that it will look so bad, you will reject it as your idea!

@Toluxa1:

the fact that in Jesus God has made himself present to humanity in a unique
way. It is not a biological statement

Your statement that God became human among men as Jesus in order to show Himself, is a sign of some weakness of that Christian God. No? A God that shows His limitation, is not a True God! If you can size something up, know the limitation of that thing, can you ever say it is limited, especially when he is just as tall as every man, and even some are taller, and collectively more powerful to the point that they kill him, or what is it that you do not get when i said he was defined by you as having a limit of quality and quantity?

My Lord God is beyond all you can imagine. Whatever you can imagine, it is not Allah!

Nuclearboy's story which only is sugarcoated or fancifuly wrapped, is similar in lies, emptiness and deceitful attraction to the Budweiser beer show horses drawn carriage ad. Subhannallah, if you are not very careful, you could easily be seduced by it, thinking that beer is not dangerous and good for you! Thats the work of Shaitan, to make things bad seemingly attractive. I see trinity, son of God, begotten son of God, etc just like that. A bad story told with the fanciest tongue!

This reminded me of the christian transfiguration story that many of these people of Trinity have told here. In my sleep this morning before I had to get up for the morning prayer, between my bedroon and the bathroom is a walkway. I dreamt that some of these kufar brought their chum chi chum (magic) to this walk way, each passing and changing to hazy figure, then one of them finally said oh Olabowale, we christians are having our own transfiguration or transformation, so join us!

I said oh yeah, got up, stretch my left hand there, and it became like the way the Christian are appearing to me. It reminded me of what happened with Musa (AS), when he saw the magic of the Pharaoh court liars. I immediately withdrew my hand, and called on Allah, made darus on the messenger (AS), and recited Surah fatihah, followed it with Ayatul Kursi, and called each of the Christians to get on the spot and try again to display their "magic" while I am now reciting Surah Iklas. By Allah, no one of them changed in anyway because Allah debased their empty evil promises!

Ohsisi, after church service, think about about the meaning of "am sensing he is a muslim". Will you come to the conclusion that it simply means "am saying he is a muslim?" Shish, sister.

I simply asked you to confirm it to Nezan who says Islam will not enter all places. You are the southerner. I am not. Kasim, is definitely an arab name and I dare say it is Islamic, because thats the Kunya (nickname) of the prophet, as "Abukasim, father of kasim (reserved only for him, AS)". You will know that Barack is not Jewish and not Kenyan. Go find out.

InshaAllah when Zaynab have children, they will bear Islamic, yoruba and igbo and edo names. There is no way any will bear Fulani, Hausa, Ijaw, Kalabari, etc even if the name is beloved to such a tribe. Lets see, if a name is shared by any tribe with the tribes of from which she and I are bfrom, it will be obviously understood that such a name borne by my children does not come from the foreign tribe, but from the four I listed. Or Ohsisi, will you name your next child Olabowale after me, since you will try to prove a point? Ok, take any yoruba name, or Hausa or Fulani.

@Toluxa1: #294 on: Today at 09:45:20 AM »

The day you people will understand that the expression ‘Son of God’ serves as a pointer to the divine origin
of Jesus and to the fact that in Jesus God has made himself present to humanity in a unique
way. It is not a biological statement, such as would make of God a parent in the ordinary
human sense. It will go a long way in helping your learning.

The first bolded does not make any sense and you speaker cant even defend it with any sense, without tripping yourself. Does God need a son, or sons? Absolutely not! Should God have any and what will be the purpose and function that God Himself can not do? None! The second boldedis a pointer to an idea that show some limited power of the Christian, rather Judeo-christian God! No wonder the Christians see him as limited in power and knowledge, because some have argued that this God needed to come on earth to learn the nature of his own creation, how difficult it is to be human, hence he killed himself on earth, while he is still in heaven only to be able to forgive, when it would have been easier and no blood of his to shed! My yoruba tribe in a general sense says of God "Kaa bi eesi", unfortunately the Christians among us, forget this saying, hence they accept that God in Heaven need Himself as God on earth to die only to save, yet there is still the lake of fire which "christians" will have to go! So I ask, what purpose does appearing and dying on earth to those who believe these, since not all of them will escape the lake of fire? The only thing I agree with you on is that you have the gut to say that there is no Biological similarity to your statement, hence I will say your statement is not truly a Father son relationship, and definitely not a cloning thing either! What is there to learn, when God Who is Unique wants mankind He created to know that He is not like us, Unique in every sense, yet you turn around and say that this same God says that He now falls under the elements of humans; eating, using the bathroom, crying, weeping, begging, prostrating, growing, getting punished, dying, and all of these, while in many places he says I have a God Lord Who is One? Wow!

« #295 on: Today at 10:16:06 AM »
Quote from: Abuzola 1 on Today at 09:20:04 AM
Enough of the story, who is the 'only begotten son' of God ? You should be ashamed coz i answered all your question and i have been asking u a question you keep hiding behind the curtain
Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God.

Nuclearboy, listen to your compatriot. To be the only begotten son, there seem to be some sons. No? So how do you arrive at begotten when you Toluxa1 say there is no Biologigal relationship? Please explain that to yourself, while you are trying me! Davidylan is my son. Not by Biology. Same thing. Now tell me how david is truly my son, except that this is my own statement because at the end of the day, we know that my family name is completely different from that of David! This is the truth, yet am a human being. Imagine the case with God Almighty? If Jesus was not His creation, then can we say that He is the Absolute Creator? And in the lineages of Jesus, there is no place where God enters or ends the chain of men!

@Nuclearboy: « #304 on: Today at 06:07:16 PM »

@Abu:
I answered your question. Do we stay here with you asking over and over when I already answered?
@Old man Voltron:
Can't you ever stick to the point?

I wonder if I deviated from answering this young blood? Lol.

Like the name I gave you which was a joke equating you with a mental age (that of the children's fantasy tale where the name comes from), my stories were meant to point you in the right direction. Did you not read that they came from the Jokes section? But then, your mind can only look for contradictions anywhere you turn your face to. Fighter! Alagbara!

Whats fighre! Alagbara! in this context (Am borrowing from the Bible preachers)? When you told a story it is to pint people to the direction, even though the story is off topic. But analysis of it is always an achilles heel to your dishonesty! What do I have to do with joke session, if am not amused, almost as if somebody were to talk about sex and ask me dont you go to romance session! Am I here for either and if I have interest in any, do you think I will be in the religion session? Please dont give me raisin jokes because am not amused. I ask you to ready the woman for me in 9ja so that I can make he become a mother without sleeping with her, but just come upon her and over shadow her. Thats all. Lol. I hope ths dude fall for that gimmick as he is goneho on the one in the Bible!
There had been a pretty enough my type kind of Christian woman, I would have just insist that she puts herself in "harm's way" on this! I respect all the women here, so sorry that am speaking my mind.

My puzzle with you is your age and background which all of us have been given so much info about - how did you turn out like this? For an adult to start arguing about where a turkey was on a tree when eating Bull droppings, -> na wa! And then we go on to Nuclear and neutrons? Why not try the theory of relativity and the finer points of diamond cutting? You get problem O! By the way, please paint your living room in "wosal" since it is a better green than green. Whatever you do, by no means should you ever consider yourself a good representation of [1] A yoruba [2] an adult [3] a muslim

The three as you listed, am just okay in each. I am a human being, prone to mistake. A muslim who begs his Lord for forgiveness, always. A yoruba, that you cant take away from me. Now, you must never forget that "Oun to jo Oun, lafi nwoun" Go to any yoruba adult tol tell you what that means. When you say turkey is weak to even fly and it needs to injest something to get to another point, should it not be logical that he eats enough to get him to his destination, since he realised that it will work fine and adequate for the job? When you write Koran, instead of Quran, dont you know that you deserve to be told the truth that if you are called any of the "boy" name, it will mean the same as your saying Koran? And by the way I do not complain about what you call me. Voltron is fine with me. Finally, look at your explanation, dont you know by simple deduction that your "Wosal" is green or do you just say these things without any thought? My man, when you lambast islam, we could just let it ride, or if you wanna hear the truth, it will be bitter for you to swallow. Truth is always is.

@Nuclearboy: « #296 on: Today at 11:45:41 AM »  

@Abuzola:
I answered your question IMMEDIATELY you asked it and I even went out of my way to answer from your OWN KORAN which says the "carpenter" was Allah's Word and NOT any man's child. If Allah is God and His word became Jesus inside Mary, use the allegory of "touching Abuzola" to answer who Jesus is.

Word is what Allah says Jesus "the Carpenter" was! Allah explained that Jesus creation is like that of Adam. When Allah decrees a thing, He but say to it, Be so it Be". Allah says Jesus is son of Mary, Jesus a messenger of Allah to Bani Israil. Allah then finally says that Allah is He Who has no Child! Nuclearboy, where did you get lost in the Quran? It aint Koran my man. Would it be right if I say you are Balloonboy, or Nucleusboy, or Neutronboy, similar to you saying Koran?

How many like that have there been? TWO! Him and Adam, according to the Koran.

You forgot Eve. No? Thats not two, but three, even a woman is in that company! Abeg go sidon.

What happened to Adam. He lost his sonship by sin. Jesus therefore stands alone (according to the Koran which chooses Him over ALL other "prophets") and is the only begotten SOn

The first bolded, I used this statement from you earlier to say you said Adam was demoted, you went into spasm. Now you are using it to say that he would have been "son" if not because of the sin. And since Jesus did not sin, he must be elevated from just son, because others were, even you as a christian, so "begotten" is the way to settle jesus as special. On the second bloded, you are the worst of the liars on the NL! Where on earth do you read from the Quran that Jesus was chosen over "all other prophets"? You must be a smoker of herbs, man! I read Quran, every single day and even davidylan and Ohsisi, and the other enemies of Allah will never say that they read from the Quran what you have just said! Shame on you. here and now, I second what Abuzola said before " you should be ashamed of yourself!"

ITs simple!!! Adam sinned and that cost him his status. Jesus did not. He is the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON". Leave the Bible out of this. Your own Koran says "His followers will be greater then those WHO DO NOT follow Him". Your own Hadith says "He will rule God's own Kingdom".

Unless you can tell us that Quran does not say Bible (Torah, Sabur and Injil) are now corrupt as it stands in your hand,, where Jesus is called son of Allah, and that you Christians are followers of Isa bin Maryam, and that Adam has the sin hanging on his head, and there is an ahadith mentioning Jesus as a ruler of God's Kingdom, except ruling under the mandate of Islam, for sometime before his true death, then you have lied.

Abu, when you write your own will, do you plan to leave everything you worked for to your Servant called "Muhammad" or your son called "Jesus"?

Is Abu now God who sent both, one says he is a messenger, prophet by his Lord, whom he is a servant (service or errant man) of to his people, yet you turn around after him, wrote what you think he said, fitting your agenda of irresponsibility for personal duty to God, so you elevated this slave messenger prophet son of man (he called himself all of these and I agree with him) to a son on one hand and a third of God with his full independence, as God, yet he died? Is there any macarroni in that bowl?

Oh, and the second says he is a messenger, prophet, servant slave of his Lord God Almighty Who creates everything? Is there another Creator? In yoruba land, we say "Tia ba kaa eru, inu eru a bajee", your Omo is actually eru. Go learn that. Yes to answer your question, as a human, I will give my possession in my will to my son, unless what I give in legacy (promise which I would have fulfilled while alive). But God says in the Quran He is not like any of the creations; in everything! He does not need a child to inherit or absorb His Authority, or do you think He does because He will die? Is He not the Immortal, Invisible God Holy Wise, even in the Christian hymms? Do Jesus fit any of these? Stop, man and think about it!

Your own Koran has answered you. If you say its a lie, its the Koran you're insulting, not me cos I only said what the Koran said.

You are the liar on the Quran, for there is no place Quran say any of your lies! I see you now have quite a following, liar.

If you want points to argue on, answer the following:
Who was Jesus's Father according to the Koran?

Does he ave to have a father to come into existence? Well it aint Allah. And let me just shake you a little bit, since you are a man, using your argument to kill your preremise: Who is the father of Adam, according to the Bible and or the Quran? Who is the father of Eve according to the Bible and or Quran? While Jesus had a mother, Mary, who was the mother of Adam according to the Bible and or the Quran? Who is the mother of Eve according to the Bible or Quran? Should the person who does not have neither a mother nor a father be in greater existence of being than the one without a father? Are you for real, man, since many children are even gotten from pastry dishes and turkey baste, today, is the Uniqueness of Jesus not now diluted, while that of Adam is 100% intact, unless you can proof to me that there was a man in existence before Adam?

Who was Muhammad's Father according to the Koran?

Muhammad' father was not mentioned in the Quran. If you know it, tell us?

Which had a greater pedigree or SOURCE?

If just not having a father is the yardstick, then Jesus. But wait. What about not having a mother which will make a woman whom you said is a sin riddled soul be greater than Jesus in that same yardstick. Eve will be greater. No? I have intentionally left Adam out of this. man, your thinking is not of Nuclear scientist.


[qoute]According to the Hadith I quoted, who will rule God's Kingdom?

[/quote]This earth will perish, and paradise will be revealed! Are you saying that Jesus will rule a perished place for ever? When Muhammad went on isra wa Miraj, he saw his companions in Paradise. The saw Black man Muhadhin Bilal bin Rabah (RA) in Paradise. He saw Jesus in second Heaven, Adanm in first and Idris (Enoch) in third. I do hope that you know that Jesus is not the leader of the people of paradise, Muhammmad is?


[quote]Why "crying carpenter son the son" Jesus and not Holy Kind Compassionate Amazing Muhammad (the greater)?

You need to make yourself clear. I am assuming that you are referring to your statement about return, which we accept, for him to kill anti Christ, just like David killed Goliat, the biggest enemy of the Children of Israel as they settled in Philistine, yet did not kill any noted enemy of his mission, a condition that he will fulfill with dajjal, and of course his own death. If your idea is that he will rule God's Kingdom on earth, you are alone on this because there is the issue of the day of Judgement, which your ruling kingdom will completely nullify, what use is then the Christian heaven and the lake of fire? I wanna amuse myself; is the heaven now the earth, which Jesus will establish his rule? I am already in it and I see that it is inferior to jannah of Quran, so hold on to the inferior abode.

You say these things as if you expect me to roll over whenever you say something just because you said so! Me and your other readers: Do you believe we have brains and can reason If yes, then I tell you, friend, Black and red are different no matter how loudly anyone shouts. And I'm not your enemy or trying to "win" any perceived war/argument/contest. There's never been any battle between us.

Abuzola is not fighting you, but you are sure telling lies! While red and black are something distictive, both of them have something to do with color pigment absorption. Black absorb all and reflect nothing, while red reflect red! We also can read your lies and they stink to the heavens!

@Nuclearboy: « #289 on: Yesterday at 08:20:31 PM »  

@Mavenbox: You are right. Seeing the truth is not the same as accepting it.
@Voltron et al: I got the following from the jokes section on NL:>
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the energy."
"Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it  actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree.
The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fortnight, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon, he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.
Moral of the story: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.

Silly. If you think at all, before your Nuclear mind said the above, you would have realised that bull dung was not going to be on second branch for the Turkey to nibble on so that will be get him from there to a higher branch. If the dung could get him on the top of the tree, as you said, it should have been the first munching, not a ladder nibbling! I thought a Nuclear engineer like you would have known. Oh I forgot, in Nucleus, there are neutrons. You are now exhibing a neutron thinking!

Those who read all we wrote made their own deductions. I thank God I got personal mail from 1 of "your" people and know it was not in vain

My people are believers. I am surprised that a believer will write a disbeliever, except to preach belief on him. Tell us the truth Nuclearboy.

« #291 on: Today at 04:51:14 AM »  
My textbook says:
[1] Green is a color
[2] Red is a color
[3] Wosal is not a color
[4] Blue is a mixture of "wosal" and red
[5] green and Wosal are the same thing
[6] Wosal is a better color than green
[7] red is the worst color

Asked to explain why [6] since Wosal is not even a color, my answer is "my textbook says so".

Silly. A person who thinks will point to your #s 1, which is a color, 5 which says green is a color and the same with wosal, and 6 saying wosal is a better color! When you write your baby class analogies, pray that some of us who can reason dont read it! I am not emotional, so I see the overwhelming evidence that says wosal is a color, because green which it is same as it is a color, and that even in it greeness, it is a better green that just the color green!  Now, I turn that to the overwhelming verses of Mark, Luke, John and Matthew that say Jesus is not a son of or God Himself, rather a servant, a messenger, a prophet sent to the lost house of Israel, yet, you have the audacity to pass a collection of lies to us as if its the truth! Have you seen a chairman of a company begging another chairman of the same company, his partner, co equal for protections against his workers, or begging for authorities?

Then they ask me to lets use deductive reasoning. My answer is "NO, my textbook is "reason" itself
Shown that a color and a non-color cannot be same, my answer is "WHY not, since my book says so"
Red must be worst because my book is luminous
History is wrong because my book is "brilliant"
Science is wrong because my book said Green is a color. Since that is right, then my book is perfect

Voltron says, "are you alright"?

All those who showed me the truth must be ashamed because I've proved my book is right SIMPLY by saying "it is right"
I am absolutely right that they are ashamed and hiding their faces in fear of me and my perfection!

You reminded me of my ignorant youth, because I was Mr. proof it! While Quran is One, agreeing with currentness of knowledge, where it is perfect, there is no single Bible anywhere. So Nuclearboy (I have to fight myself not to bring Baloon here, ala The Hedeas of Colorado), what are you talking about, except the Bible's falsity! Tell me how simply saying circle means sphere and when cover and spread as carpet is not spherical, especially when it is stated that it has an egg shape?

« #292 on: Today at 05:10:58 AM »  
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.
Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

I dont believe this dude Nuclearboy realises that cat will not eat anything that smell as if it is decaying or decayed! If you see the arizona desert wildcats, when they are catching snakes, if any of them exposes the skink that they use to defend themselves, the cat will walk away, from it. Your story, though interesting missed the mark and is off topic. If you are trying to copy me, I only give many example of the same idea, but on topic. When you pay me, I will teach you how to use the process.

The morals in this story are:
1) Not everyone who drops poo on you is your enemy. THOSE TELLING THE TRUTH ARE NOT YOUR ENEMIES, MYSELF INCLUDED. TRUTH IS BITTER.

What truth did you drop; god is a man, killed? God is not One but three? Please stop the presses.

2) Not everyone who gets you out of poo is your friend. ANYONE SUPPORTING ERROR IS THE REAL ENEMY. SUCH ABOUND HERE

If the poo is from you as to saying God was a man, dead, and three, one not enough to be One Whole Indivisble and Independent, then whosoever get me away from you and throw me to the Muslims saying that God has a propher Name, Completely whole and not similar to anyone, One God, etc, the favor is from that person, away from you who is trying to drown me in stinking poo leading to hell fire! Sorry Nuclearboy for my trying to poke holes at your dry jokes!

3) And when you're in deep poo, keep your mouth shut. NOBODY CAN WIN AGAINST TRUTH NO MATTER HOW LOUDLY THEY PREACH A LIE

I am asking myself wince what comes out of your mouth is lie, when are you going to shut your mouth and stop pooing on yourself, drowning in what you have done already?

@Niyi53: « #78 on: December 03, 2009, 10:16 AM »

@olabowale, you are just talking without evidence from the quran. Use the quran to support your self. Give evidence of TAWAFFA meaning otherwise from the quran.
In 3:55, God says i will cause you to die. Accepted that its going to be a future occurence, why is the action of 'raising' not a future happening when it is also used in a future tone like the word TAWAFFA? Are you trying to arrange the quran for God? He says that He has arranged everything accordingly, so why dont you accept it the way He said it?

I accept the Quran the way it is, the reason that the future action is still in the future, the death and the risng up of Jesus. Or have we reached the end of the future? Are his return, the occurrence of Mahdi and dajjal along with his second presence on earth already past or are they not in the future? Will he not die after he kills dajjal, and then be raised up? Yes or no, please!

If you accept that others that are called god beside Allah are living, then challenge God Himself.
I dont know may be jesus was not made God before the revelation of the quran.

I do not need to challenge Allah. I read what he says and I make a valid agreement with it, since I know some people act as gods on earth, today with a significant followings. Didnt Muhammad (AS) pointed out to the new muslims in Madina who were Jews and Christians that when they accept the orders of their leaders and scholars, it means worship, taking as gods. Do you know better than Muhammad (AS)? Today, again, the catholic, am sure you do know this, go for confessions. The listeners will say to them "you are forgiven, my child " (~Lady, where are you?). A person who forgives a person whoconfesses to him, though the sin was not against him, is that not playing God?

Know that if rafaha means to take up bodily, then according to that, many people are up there whom we must be expecting their advent.

Taking up may mean many form of up lifting, from a lower plane. Idris is raised up in rank. Jesus is raised up, but how in your case, except secured away from his enemies who wish to do him arm, if they have the power to do it?

As for jesus's preaching in india, i would post it when i have a chance for it. You can also go to google and find out about the lost children of israel. You will know that they dispersed in to different places. As at the time jesus was crucified, it was only two tribes out of the twelve tribes that were there. The remaining ten must also hear his message.
Go to google and search for jesus in india, you will see that many historians also have testified to the fact that he died there.

Ridiculous! How many times were dispersions among the Children of Israil before Jesus was said to have been crucified? Then I asked you, how did Jesus get to India from Jerusalem but did not answer? I further asked you, if after his revelation stopped in the core population of Bani Israil, which means that he disappeared from them, I say he was lifted by his Lord to heaven, you say he arrived somehow in India, did he teach just what had received to the bani israil of India, his new people, without anymore revelations, or there were more revelations which the Philistine located bani Israil missed out on? Either position you take, you will have problems explaining it. Just to driving in my position a little clearer:

a). If your idea is that he just taught the Indian faction what he had taught the Philistine family members, you will destroying the rule of his Messengership prophetic office as to be a wholesale at one time messenger and prophet to those whom he was sent. Further, he would have started his role wrong from the first time because he would have excluded the Indian group, which would have been wrong! A messenger who received Wahi, will not be made to a teacher without anymore revelations. When revelation stops, its time to go. Musa and Muhammad (AS) are excellent examples here.

b). If your idea is that he received more revelations, in India, then his messengership was cut short with the Philistine larger body and that is not the intention of Allah since before Jesus, Musa's messengership was with the whole larger group of bani Israil. And Muhammad after jesus was with the whole Arabs, Makka first with flows of Arabs into it from other tribes, and when in Madina, his messengership still included all the arabs and of course in Makka and in Madina, since he is the messenger prophet to all the world, you see his letters inviting every civilization and at farewell address telling his companions (RA) to carry it to the people who didnt hear it, hence they left doing just that.

We know that Muhammad died less than a year after the speech. There was no emissary going from India body to Philistine body to carry the message of Jesus between these group. Is it because Jesus was afraid for his life? If he were, then the Indian jesus was not a believer, completely different from what Allah says of the Jesus of Philistine. If the Indians let the Philistine brothers know, they would have travelled there to still make attempt on his life, knowing fully well that he did not die in the first attempt, which will go against the verse of the Quran that it was made to seem so, while what follows of those who believe that he died was mere conjecture without any proof! Again who knows better, you or Allah?