The bible says: "if the son shall set you free you shall be free indeed".

Thats the saying of the Bible. And the Bible says too many things that are untrue because it shifts responsibility all on the man who is unqualified to be it. Proof; he does have a mother, while you call him son, the people who do not have a mother or a father and never anything of their kind, existing before them, you do not call them son or daughter! Jesus did not perform a greater miracle than Moses for example, the case of Muhammad (AS) is obviously higher, more unique in my heart; check the Quran and the ahadith, yet Muhammad is the last prophet and the only one sent to all nations of mankind, and Jinn, confirmation of his prophethood were made by talking wolf, family of foxes, other animals, trees, stones, each spoke loud enough that others heard them making these affirmations. Please enough of the fallacies. His companions included even bani Israil, Persian, Africans, Roman in Madina, while Jesus only muster 12 Jews/israelites.

As for the crises issue: Don't you think the issue of Sharia alone is enough a crisis

Sharia protects me from getting involved in Haram business. Thats the benfit for me, as a direct example.

talkless of getting married to 4 women,

this help me from behaving like Tiger Woods' one wife with 11 and counting girlfriends! Are you like Tiger Woods, or are you like me, rether which is the better?

modern day slavery and the rest of them?

Kola has a house maid. No? Thats slavery! Here in america, there is a great slave trade going on; sex slaves, work slaves, etc!

If those ones are not crises to you then maybe you have to join erm, erm, . . .

Funny man. I do not intend to do any evil, so my marriage will not end with just one wife. Go deceiving yourself my man; I hear you loud and clear; one wife many girlfriends. Continue with having your house maid, sometimes, she turns to a wife. Though nothing wrong for though who move in like that, but thats not me. As Calipso singer Sparrow says "drunk and disorder, " Sharia does not allow me to do either.

@realtol: « #52 on: Yesterday at 01:51:36 PM »

I can see that olabowale is sensible a little unlike other unlearned muslim who can't think at all, now u r coming to light litle by little a muslim brother fight me 4 calling God, God he said it's allah instead now we christian doesn't necesarilly need to call God Jehovah as u claimed(pls try not 2 get me twisted here) in yorubaland u can see people calling God olohun, olorun, eledumare etcetera as their language permit them this is the case in other tribes but u go to allah shrine or mosque as u call n pray in your mother tongue if u care call allah what u wil call God in your mother tongue and let's see wether you wouldn't be drag out as a madman or an outcast. Moreso why are two muslim having PRIVATE conversation and calling allah, God and not an open one if not the fear of killing them all in the name of heresy or blasphemy.

In ile yoruba, we muslim will say adupe lowo Olrun, Oba Alawura, Oba tolaiye tolorun. You never heard that before? Listen to waasi in the month of Ramadan, or the Tafsir in between asr and magrib? Please, knowledgeable people will know the difference, and many more Names of praises are for Allah (none says that He is a father or a partner. Okay!) even outside the Quran. You find them in ahadiths.


@kola oloye (m): « #54 on: Today at 12:28:16 PM »

Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee,

I have seen "never seen". I have seen elephant fly (from the movie dumbo), and then a god begging God, as Matt 11. Ridiculous.

O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes.

Note that he said Lord of heaven and earth. The father thing is the statement of zealots! Finally, I wonder why prophets are not babes, but grown men, except Yahya who started at youth? Lies will not profit the teller.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Does this make any sense, as it indicates that christian god the father may not have a 100% knowledge.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father:

jesus is now the creator instead of God Who said let there be "ligh" the first time He spoke according to the Bible, as Jesus is claimed to be the "word"?


[quote] and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.Let us replace Father with God, son with Messenger, prophet! It makes sense, applying to Moses (AS) in his prophet time, Muhammad (AS) in his much much later prophetic time, which happens to be the last! So continue to lie to yourself calling God father and Jesus son, while the Children made themselves specila calling themselves sons and daughters of God!


[quote]For you to understand the things of God fully you have to come to Him like a baby

She prostrates her face, in addition with bowing in full peaceful/willing submission, asking in prayer that her whole family comes to Islam. You on the other hand, a son of muslim parents, you arrogantly with some at best a Ph. D. education refuse to accept God as One, will not prostrate your face, but opt for hanging your personal salvation on a man who cant even help himself and blamed Christian god for allowing him to be snuffed lifeless.

Forget what all these Alimajeri's has put in your brain.You shall know better.

I truly believe by the bolded that you knew little about Islam, the reason you abandoned it because of all the cheap women on the other side. Al Muhajirin are the Makkans who migrated to Madina with Muhammad (AS)! You know what knowledge and faith tha will make any forget his own original for the pleasure of God, in worship? Can you give me an example of an emigre based on Jesus leadership, but except that i show you betrayer, denier, and doubter?

[/quote][/quote]

kola where is freedom in christ? You must be joking, ogbeni. I cant believe you will say the above with a straight face. If there is no crisis in christ (it rhymes) i wonder what crisis is, then.

[1] Who does the Quran say fathered Jesus? [quote support from the Quran and don't go near the Bible]the same entity that the Bible says mothered Adam. no? the same entity tat the Bible says fathered Adam. no? The same entity that the Bible says mothered Lady Eve. no?  the same entity that the Bible says fathered Lady Eve. no? He asked a question he got swollen head. I ask 4 of same gravity. Am waiting, patiently for Nuclearboy.

[2] Who said Jesus will come back to rule the Kingdom of God? no one, except you and yours in the Bible.

[3] Whose followers will be Greater [Jesus or Mohammed] ACCORDING TO THE QURAN? Muhammad's! Jesus is not a christian. Muhammad is a muslim, hence his followers. While the Christian liars who think that they are followers of Jesus are deceiving themselves, I need to point out to you why you and them are completely off the marks: Christian religion is not the religion of Jesus, hence the Christians cant be his followers. But his companions the disciples before Saul Paul were and they did not call him God Almighty Creator, You dont follow a god/God but worships him/Him. You follow the prophet/Messenger of god/God! The christian says Jesus is god, another of their confused notions. If you change the instruction of a person you say you follow, without his permission for such a change you are anti the person. Hence Christians are anti Jesus; the follow Paul instead instead. Jesus said that laws and prophets are valid forever, Paul said no and you chose to follow Paul anyway!

[4] Who does the Koran call the Messiah? Massiah means nothing to the muslims, but a story of the old, about the people of Israel. Jesus is not in the position to save anybody, until after Muhammad (AS) the leader of Mankind, the Belove of Allah the Almighty.

[5] What is the difference between the "allah" that was a demon god and your own "allah" since they both were worshipped in the Qa'abah, follow the same mode of worship, bear the same name, same EVERYTHING and thus, would seem to be the same. Well, I can give you one difference which is that Muhammad said they are different! Yes, the Koran also says so. Give me two other reasons that'll make sense to a reasoning mind. You can learn alot from a dummie. So am learning the ways of the dumb. Is allah not different from Allah? Is yoruba's kabiyesi of the sango worshippers different from that of the Muslims, reluctantly, making a point the Christians? Darn yankees (its a broadway play). Did the pagans of Makka make Salah, Umrah, Take the two shahadah; Laa ila ha ilallah. Muhammadanr Rasulullah? Did the makkan pagans make Sawm (fast)? What a door nob; dull!

[6] Earlier, I illustrated how you are your "Word". Tell me then, who is Jesus if He is God's Word. Allah says He commands everything to being by "Be" so it "Be"! Be is Word. No, nuclearboy? And Allah says the creation of Jesus is like the creation of Adam! Oh, Nuclearboy, where did I lose you? Sorry omo boy! I wish I know how to handle fragile egos. I will let a woman have her way. Not so for man.

you think am like the christian men who cant control themselves? please go sidon. my boys i know. both from ex wife. inshaAllah am starting afresh. i dont sleep with any who is not my wife, you darn freak, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _boy (from colorado's cheap trick). my boys havent started making babies, yet, so how do you figure the grandpa and greatgrans beat me!

i ask you, where did Quran say the earth is flat, nuclearboy? tell me after that where can i find that earth is spherical in the Bible, you idol worshipper?

show us. when you fail i will repost the Quranic statement about the shape of the earth.

I wanna see how you a yoruba keferi will know Quran than a muslim who reads arabic.

i have to laugh reluctantly because i dont want anybody accuse me of taking advantage of you, abusing the youth.

he means holy ghost, y'all.

but he tucks his antlers in when he is sees patients.

by the way, you have to clean up your hands and arms like muslims when you wanna do surgery. no?

i wanna why you aint in the theater, dirty as a swine, typical hallmarks of the trinity worshippers.

enough of your off the cuffs. lol.

and forgive Biblical Jesus for waffling about the matters of marriage since he is a confirmed bachelor, and not declaring his true position: his fake followers say he is god! He said he is not God!

What Jesus position really? Did he lead by example? I wonder why he was a husband and or a father if either is important to the followers? Another set of examples of differences between Jesus and the fakers (Ala eunich Paul)!

@Mazaje: « #358 on: Today at 05:49:58 PM »

Why are all these muslims saying? . . . .The koran gives the impression that the world is flat in some parts so why the arguments?

Where is that impression that the world is flat? In some part of the earth, the earth does appear to be flat. No?

@Nuclearboy: You must be out of your rockers to use Juliet for me! I know Homosexualism has entered Nigeria. But do you have to use the terrible impression for me? Darn! Lol. I love making his head as if it a salad bowl.

If a believer kills a believer, and no knows about it, it means that Allah covers that sin, so there is no reason for him/her to broadcast what Allah had covered. If he/she broadcasts it, then whatever the judgement; taking his life for it, or asking for blood money, or overlooking, releasing him from any possible punishment or payment, that will be up to the community after trial, and family willingness to forgive or avenge!

A person whose sin is covered should not broadcast it. Instead, seek forgiveness with Allah, supplicating, fasting doing good, especially and inclusive with the family of the murdered victim.

Whats meaningless in my post, Nezan? Please point it/them out to me, because you may just be helping me to be a better person.

Maybe when I become an idol worshipper like you, calling a common "Jew" a Lord you will find my post meaningful? Darn Keferi thinks that I am going to be like him; calling a human, an abuser "You fool", said Biblical Jesus, an object of worship. Quran forbids me to be that stupid, so I will stay in my corner.

You stay in your corner worshipping multiple gods; I guess you will kneel down for "ever" and get "zero" in return!

@Igbo boy: « #137 on: Today at 01:07:47 PM »

guy if idol worshipping can bring world peace then yes o,[;/quote]By this I summit that Shinto, Budhhism, etc are better than Cristianity. No?

instead of mohammed wey started terror or becasue for mecca they didnt accpet him he gats to comeback and kill them,, advising u not to leave islam o cos the punishment for apsotacy na beheading (yea religion of tolerance indeed ) and if pesin curse mohammed suicide bomb his head o (yea religion of peace )

Why do you curse a person who has not offended you? Or Muhammad (as) offended you and please tell us when, where, how and why? If a person were to curse those whom you love (say parents) you will be a bad son not to be even angry about it. No? If anyone curse Jesus, will you not be angry about it, at least? This is your God and you have the right to protect his integrity. No? Especially, when there is open lie against him, maigning his character.

you can decieve the white man about islam= peace but no be me, i dey see una activities well well from russian to china to europe to america to nigeria to spain to india to somalia, tell me where u guys dont forment trouble? Na by force to worship mohammed? HABA

No one worships Muhammad (AS). I know I will never worship him. I am worshipping the same Lord that he worshipped, in the same way he worshipped that Creator! Now, as to your hypothesis of troubles being formented all over the world, I say that the same White you are claiming that I can deceive brought Christianity to Nigeria, in deceit; On one hand a Bible, and the other a strive, gun, death, slavery, oppression, etc! The KKK of America use the Bible to oppress blacks. There was a white guy that appeared on NL this past week; he called himself NiggarHtr. He is obviously a Christian since he says "you muslim terrorists". He is obviously a Nigerian hater since he says "Nigerian scums." He is a black skin hater "since he said making the world a better place, one niggar at a time (and we see a picture of this buffoon with the biggest assult weapon/gun)". Even your Christian people do not restrict themselves when they do evil, they break all rules.

Man, go sidon.

Two British muslims are having a private conversation and one says Oh God. Who do you think Oh God is to each of them?

Two Yoruba Muslims say Olorun o. Who do you think the Olorun is?

Two Igbo Muslims to each other May Chukwu protect you. Who do you think Chukwu is to them?

Two Hausa Muslims say to each other " we shall meet later Obangiji permits." Who do you think Obangiji is to them?

Each of these people meant Allah, in there languages. Definitely they are not talking about Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Eloi, or Elohim, or Jesus, or ghost. These are your gods, while Allah is the God of all! Believe it or not!

Thank you Alafin in Abuja. Alafin is supposed to be in Oyo. No? Oh well.

You are right. I will never be an idol worshipper like you.

You are right I will never be a 3 god worshipper like you.

@igbo boy: « #134 on: Today at 12:54:33 PM »

you telling me to march to a mosque, for what? if i kill muslims am going to hell fire sharp sharp, so no thank you,

I am encouraging you, in the way you are encouraging people. There is no hell fire in Christianity, just like there is not Paradise in there. The worst for you is lake of Fire and the best for you is Heaven. Paradise is forbidden for you.

I prefer hollow words like that of Budha or Jesus since thats what you claim to words that incites violence from you know who

Both Budha and Jesus are mere Idols and or Statures. Go check the cross, you will see an almost naked person hanging. Thats your idol or stature. Continue to worship it, darn idol worshipper! Too can do this, you know.

@igbo boy: « #132 on: Today at 12:42:56 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:38:06 PM
@Ohsisi: « #129 on: Yesterday at 07:20:35 PM »  how do you do it, woman; you alone soldier of three gods, when you just one?

One is more concentrated than 3. No? One is fuller than 3? (Considering that in each scenario, there is no increase in consistency, except in the three containers situation, there is a variation in the volumes!).

Ohsisi, and other Keferis, you guys stress yourselves to the hilt; instead of focusing on One God, you run from pillar to post to wall (lol). Pity people.


d urself and allah a favor kill an infidel

Read The Book of Timothy. The word "infidel" is in there. Infidel is an english word, just like Igbo is an igbo word. Neiter is arabic. Quran is revealed in arabic, so give me infidel in arabic language; you will never find it.

Disbeliever is Kufar, and its derivitives. Please when you write, think first because you may be shooting yourself in the foot! While you are telling your civilian President to do evil, if you have said it in time of Christian Obasanjo, you would have been hung like Jesus of the Bible. No?

@igbo boy; « #130 on: Today at 12:19:05 PM »  

Quote from: 0hsisi on Yesterday at 07:20:35 PM
what is not funny?
Has abuzola not threatened people here Muslims and Christians alike with death several times?
The guy is a true soldier of allah


So is Osama, But I dont know why he is reluctant to get his 72virgins in heaven instead of bleeping those smelly afghanistan girls,

This one Yar adua is sick he better go blow up the national church in Abuja and kill the infidels so he can get his reward of 72 virgins in heaven before he just die for saudi arabia with no infidels killed

Abuzola u too

And no one dies except that the time, the place and how is written down, already! Hey man, when will you march on the mosque as a Christian Soldier and go to Christian Heaven, or you are so afraid and you are now waiting for "Rapture?" PLease make heaven, whatever that contains. By the way am not propagating that you go hurt anybody or do something stupid. Am just responding to your silly opinion. Same can easily be said about the christians who have never walked away, graciously from a "good fight". Every fight is a good fight in Christian eyes and turning the other cheek is just a decoration! Heck, each Jesus statement is a thing of decoration. Thats all.

@Ohsisi: « #129 on: Yesterday at 07:20:35 PM »

what is not funny?
Has abuzola not threatened people here Muslims and Christians alike with death several times?
The guy is a true soldier of allah

how do you do it, woman; you alone soldier of three gods, when you just one?

One is more concentrated than 3. No? One is fuller than 3? (Considering that in each scenario, there is no increase in consistency, except in the three containers situation, there is a variation in the volumes!).

Ohsisi, and other Keferis, you guys stress yourselves to the hilt; instead of focusing on One God, you run from pillar to post to wall (lol). Pity people.

and Quran says that the earth will be folded. maybe we should ask the christians to tell us what the Bible says. We campare it to what the Quran says. We compare it to what science is hypothesising as end of the world. Quran is certain about the ending events. The Bibe is quite about it. Science is just guessing, like the usual hypoheticals. Science can firm up ideas, but not the idea of the end of time, which it can not get 100%.

Malaika Jibril, Malaika Mikail, Malaika Israfil.

Nabi Daud. Nabi Sulayman. Nabi Isa bin Maryam.

Where is the Jewish name? Maybe you mean Sneider. Or Goldsmith.

We dont have Jewish in Islam. The Jew, okay Israelite who became Muslim; Sayiddina AbdulSalaam (RA) left his Jewish identity behind. Funny bone davidylan. Ha Ha Ha.

@Kola Oloye: « #349 on: Yesterday at 09:15:47 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on December 08, 2009, 09:30 PM
@kola oloye (m): « #343 on: Today at 01:34:22 PM » Ogbeni Oloye, my question is to the core of the pitiful claim that Jesus of the Bible is a God, since you know that he fail to meet the Qualities of what humans know belong to God! You even said that Jesus was killed, termination his life on earth at that time, before he was "born again" (lol) like you I suppose? Ogbeni, dont make me laugh.

Neither of the elites of Christianity attempted the to answer the simple sets of Questions. And at the critical hour, the behae like the denier like "peter" (I dont know his name and I dont care) who denied Biblical Jesus before dawn! Why should I expect better from you fellas, since your earlier examples were thomases, Judases, Peter(es)?
How many times do i have to repeat myself on NLD that there is only one GOD,the creator.

repeat it till the last day on earth, it still will be wrong! since you qualify one as below.

Jesus is the son of his Majesty,

Why would God have a son? What purpose does it serve, when God is capable of doing all that He needs to do for mankind, without a single need of help from anyone, anything?

Jehovah God,the maker of the heaven and the Earth.

And when you praise Him you say Allehy luyya, and there i no place Jehovah or Yahweh appears!

Bible says:"there is no salvation in any other except Christ"

The Bible is wrong, since the OT part of it disagrees. The Bible has no foresight to know that if Christ was the salvation answer, then there would never have been a need for the Another comforter who will teach even the things Jesus did not have the capability to do it! I will expantiate on that later.

who sacrificed himself on the cross for you and I.

Kola you are kidding me. Right? I hope that Mom and Dad dont know that you do this in Abuja, when you arrive in Abeokuta! The same Jesus who found every excuse to get out, with so much begging, prayers, crying, weeping, etc, etc? And he finally ended it up by blaming God? How did he sacrifice himself, man, when little Ismail (AS) told his father Ibrahim (AS) that you will find me "patience" by Allah. Tell me how he did his, at 33, when a little boy was able to be courageous about his impending slaughter?

« #350 on: Yesterday at 09:56:15 AM »
Let me say something here: there is something called "the kingdom of God"

Nuclearboy says kingdom of God is on earth. You say is three persons. Which one of you is wrong? Men, fight it out and no biting, scratching, screaming, etc. I want the fight to be clean.

This kingdom comprises of the father (GOD), the son (JESUS) and the comforter (HOLY SPIRIT)
From the beginning of the creation they were,during creation and till date they are.

And Jesus according to you as the word never was until it was spoken at 'let there be light'! And before this, the earth was created. no? Kola, O je pada si esin to ma gba e la, ko yowo kuro ninu keferi ti o ma nto ni iduro, tio mo bi won se ntura se. Awon obun. O lo run!

Jesus never called himself GOD. He always refers to God as his father.

And you were doing good until you say father. Considering the whole Children of israel elevated themselves above others by lying thatthey are children of God, you fall for that nonsense, too? O gaa o!

This kingdom is like a human being with many parts only that the kingdom has just 3.

Olo joro ni wo Ogbeni kola. And when any part of a man is removed, that person is not 100% as was before the removal incidence. Even if there was that cosmetic correction, functional or not, like prostasis, the person is not as normal as the one who is born 100% normal!

That is the father ,the son and the holy spirit.

And when Jesus died, as you said, and coming back from death as you said, can you say he was always alive? Kola, we need to visit this issue, InshaAllah.

In Genesis, He said: 'Let us make man in our own image after our likeness. . . '
US in the scripture above was referring to the other parts.

You should tell me whats the shape, image, measurements; height, width, thickness, etc of Yahweh/Jehovah, relative to Adam. Kola, am tired of responding to a situation that does not make sense; Is God like human? of course no! Hence, can human be imaged and or likenessed to God? Does God die, eat, etc?

@reindeer: « #181 on: Yesterday at 11:53:03 PM »

Alhaji
Dr reindeer doesn't need to be taught the basic ideas of hygiene
only muslims do!Hence its inclusion in the koran

What I learnt in Wudu class, as a little 3 to 6 year old boy, Dr REindeer had to learn in University of Nzukka Medical School. You too, Ohsisi. Others of Bible people carry urine droplets in the front and yellow cake in the back! Ol boy, tell me thats a good enough hygiene? Am waiting for you response, man.

And sir we all know of the crimes in the US and [b]i put it to you that those crimes are a result of people turning away from their creator to hedonism and i daresay, islam![/b]Im sure you'd have read by now about the US national arrested in connection with the MUmbai attacks of last year.

And there are many muslims who do not participate in fight, inssurrections, terror, just like many nigerian who do not participate in 419! If all muslims are terrorists, then it is safe to say that all nigerians are 419ers. No? Dr, you are disappointing me by your almost lacking human nature thinking! It is Islam that elevates man, the american for sure; Tiger Woods, apart from claiming that he is not a blackman, he is doing every tail from porn to paper writer (journalist; am trying to so a rhymming robbin), to pub women, etc. Each is almost a carbon copy of the other of his wife. Lacking taste in variety!

Alhaji na wah o! You don dey speak 'americanese', all thats left for you is just to adorn a leather jacket, mount a harley and hunt american lassies.

Islam covers me from lewd behavior so the worst case scenario is to play it in my head! Unlike you, Dr. who may not b able to hold yourself back, behaving like Tiger Woods, maybe. I say maybe, becaus am not sure, but you could be better, and it aint because of your loosie goosie religion. The playgirl people may have his nude pictures, so the plot thickens, not caring to dishonor him, and we in Islam dont show our nudity like that! You dey hear me, Mayowaak?

@Mayowaak:

My prognosis are hereunder:
The 7th Edition of the Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary published in 2006 simply defines a GIGOLO "as a man who is the lover of an older woman,usually on who is rich.Based on the dictionary's definition as well as your jaundiced analysis,Mohammed perfectly fits the bill whether the age gulf is 15,16 or 26 years and whether or not he was a virgin or not.I can't but wonder how both related to each other considering the generational gap between them.Little surprise that Mohammed had to marry 10 other wives because of the generatinal

A man who is married to a woman is no more her boyfriend, by any and all definitions. It will be lack of human reality for a dictionary to define a husband of an older woman, till her death a gigolo! If you insist on that then I am certain that you ave cheapened the institution of marriage to nothing else but issue of triviality, as a matter of necessity!

incompatibility.If "GIGOLOISM" as practised by Mohammed is indeed worthy of emulation as you tacitly inferred,show me one PROMINENT moslem man in today's contemporary world whose wife/wives is/are older than him.I intentionally used the word for easy verification.

I was married to a woman older than me. Mustapha (a prominent NYC Lawyer) Ndanusa's wife Maya, is older than him. I know many wives older than there husbands. I think your thought is a single dimentsion; whats wrong with a man marrying a woman older than him, if a woman can marry a man older than her? The benefit and uniqueness is what am showing you: human nature is human. Love cuts across age, woman. Sorry if you are a man.

You systematically evaded the uneviable tag of a paedophile(British Ebglish) or pedophile(American English) heaped on Mohammed.Perhaps,you don't know the meaning,let me call upon the Oxford Dictionary once again to come to your rescue.It simply defines it as "someone who is sexually attracted children".

Muhammad (AS) married his wife Aisha. By your definition, a pedophile is attracted to Children. Muhammad married Older woman, you call him a Gigolo. He married women younger but closer in age to him, you call him a multi wifer. He married just one much much younger wife, you call him a pedophile. When did one child becomes Children? Does a pedophile stop at one? Does a pedophile marries his young girl? Make up your mind, woman and face the reality; no one person can be a gigolo, a multiwifer and a pedophile, all in one lifetime! Maybe you need to think hard and see how terrible your premises are?

It is on record that Mohammed had no surviving male child despite the fact that he had 11 wives who are referred to as mother of the believers by moslems which led him to adopt Zaid as a son whom you referred to as Davidylan who married Zainab.

Are you a woman because I dont want to beat on a woman. First I used my relationship with davidyland to illustrate a thing similar though not quite as the relationship of Zaid and the Messenger (AS), neither is blood relationship. And Muhammad adopted his former slave, long time before he was a prophet, a person given to him by Khadijah, whom he converted to adopted son when he chose the prophet over his own father. Now go read the Sirah properly. Muhammad elevated a slave to adopted son, married him to his cousin. Paid for his dowry. Allah corrected what is only falsity of human desire; it is not permissable to claim adoption as real blood relationship. If my brother adopts a girl, if I marry her, would the sexual relationship have the same abomination as the daughter from his loin? Absolutely not, since there is no relationship of any blood between her and I, while my brother's real daughter is surely my niece, a forbidden thing!

You were preposterously jubilant to state that Zainab was divorced from Zaid before Mohammed married her because divorce and remarriage are permissible in Islam,[b]but what manner of a philanderer,sex maniac and debauched fellow will instigate a marital crisis btw an adopted son and his wife with the sole intention of marriying the adopted son's wife?[/b]Only a deranged pedophile in the class of Mohammed is capable of doing that.

Surah Ahzah states of the divorce and the marriage to follow, as a thing Muhammad did not want. Allah says "Oh Messenger, are you going to be concern about what man will say when your Lord has commanded a thing as compulsory on you (a loose meaning of it)"? What are you talking about? A man who did not want a woman when the woman was a virgin, will not desire her more than that when she is already lost her virginity to another man! First me, Olabowale will never marry a woman who I am friendly with a man who slept with her. Secondly, even though am a sexual freak, I will prefer a virgin than a non-virgin. Yet I am very inferior in my sexual restraint to Muhammad (AS), and all my improvement is based on following the example of Muhammad (AS) and not because of my being yoruba, or Nigerian or African or blackman or human being, without Islamic precept, the reverse (sexually loose would have been the result) could have been the case!

Is it morally right for a man who calls himself the last prophet of GOD,actually I mean god to marry the divorced wife of an adopted son?I need answers.Someone that a father and child relationship had existed hitherto.That action of Mohammed runs against decency,decorum and unimpeachable comportment of one claims to be a prophet of GOD.

Allah cancelled adoption by it and Muhammad never claimed to be god; I think you are talking about Biblical prophet god Jesus. The issue is this, I hear people from the same town call one another brothers, yet they sleep with one another's wives. Let me make it clearerr for you: it is better for a woman to be married to a loving husband after a divorce from a terrible marriage, even to the best friend, brother ogf the former husband rather than remain the springboard of the community which every man can jump on!

Come to think of it,why did Mohammed who had 11 eleven wives command his male followers to marry only 4 wives with the ridiculous proviso "if he can love them equally".Is it possible to love 2 things equally? let alone 4 women.My candid submission is that Mohammed does not any moslem to surpass his record,but "good moslems" who can read between the lies have several wives and concubines.

Obinrin ni omode yi. Ojowu obinrin ni o ma je. Anuu oko e shemi. And the reason she asks this question is that she lacks good faith. Muhammad did not have any saying in the Quran, but All is from Allah. Proof; Surah Abasa is a proof because it admonishes Muhammad, and I doubt if a person will admonishes himself that way. And finally, while Muslims can continue to marry even until death bed, Muhammad was told in Surah Azhab that there is no single additional marriage for him, even if all the wives divorced him, in one go, as Surah Azhab had chastised the wives.

Go get Punch Newsaper of Tuesday 8TH December 2009 and turn to page 48,you will find a screaming headline:30 NIGERIAN PILGRIMS DIED IN SAUDI ARABIA DURING THE 2009 HAJJ.What further proof do you need that Allah is a blood sucking demon that deives its sustenance from the shedding of blood.

If Allah is bloodthirsty as you said, will it not be expected that all the pilgrims perished, without any survival, year in and year out? Ko ra e so wun, hoping that your name is Mayowa and you do read yoruba language, well. Now, Hajj under Islam of Muhammad (AS) began the year after the truce of Aqaba. When Muhammad made his own Hajj (Hajj Akbar) there were at least 100,000 able bodied Hajjis for such a small princinct. There were no police, no nothing (american bad english), yet no live lost, the only statement of orderliness is "Allahu Akbar" and people freeze in their positions. By natural progression that human population has exploded from just those who were in the boat with Nuh (AS) to over 6 billions presently, we see that 2 million plus people in a place there is bound to be some human elements at play; anger, death, chaos, etc, etc. the christians even say where there are 13 people gathered, there will be jesus like, Judas like, etc. No? My father died (ra) died in Makka in 1966 and no one of us blamed Allah for it. It was his time and that was it. May Allah make him and other people of Jannah. Amin. Abeg go sidon. Get married so that you can calm down.

On a final note,OLABOWALE,you strike me as a fellow who is narrow and short minded,parochial and myopic.A religious bigot and chauvinist with the ingrained and premeditated mind set that every one who expresses anti-Islamic opinion are Christians.

Keferi, I will say of the bolded. I dont really care for them. But I than you for analysis.

Al Rahman is One of the other 99 praising names of Allah. I thought you will do some research before you start yapping. Oh, sorry. I forgot. You are a Christian and the idea is always talk before thinking. Talking from raw emotion, always.

Even Ohsisi knows that she does not have to be nude. Cover some essential parts. And thats saying much considering how loose the people in medicine are when it comes to sex and taking off their cloth. Doctors are just as bad as Niurses, the peoplw qithout any sexual shame.

Islam is not meant for you Emeka if you think there is no restriction to how far you can be uncovered! Yet you love dipping yourself in the jar of 2000 year old blood! Abeg comot.

QUESTIONS

1) What kind of man was Muhammad who would have peaceful Jews, a 120 year old man, a mother of 5 children, slave girls, etc. murdered because they disagreed or criticized him?

The Kind that Forgave a confessor of attempt on his life by poisoning his food! Tell me, would Biblical Jesus spare the life of such a person, when he killed a Fig tree just because it did not fruit off season? And when he performed half mercy by simply transferring demons (his friends I supposed, otherwise he would have rendered them ineffective) from man, to pigs he allowed to perish, the filthiest animals you people love to eat so much! You are what you eat goes the saying.

2) Is it right to murder others simply because they disagree with you, or even mock you? Why couldn't Muhammad handle some criticism? Do people who disagree with others deserve to be murdered, in cold blood, in the night, secretly, while they sleep? Don't corrupt politicians or organized criminals do that?

A person murdered who goes to Paradise, if he was murdered as you stated above, is better than a man on his death bed who was not forgiven. No? Well the man who was on his last breath (death bed) was the thief on the left side of the hanging triad! What was the sin or mere offense of the thief except mocking Jesus? Did Biblical Jesus forgive him? No! Biblical Jesus should have known hanging pain will make people delutional, since Jesus later blamed God. No? I guess Jesus did not have that knowledge, just like not having the knowledge that Fig fruit is seasonal, just like his lack of knowledge of Time of the Hour!

3) Isn't this type of action similar to the actions of Muslim terrorists today? They operate secretly, they kill unsuspecting people, they murder without law or justice. They kill those who merely disagree or even verbally oppose them.

And the actions of the Christians of today must be like that of Biblical Jesus, with emptiness of love, while it is hatred that its meant. This reminds me of the silly un attainable "Turn the other cheek" which Jesus himself never could do, and of course a CHristian who says he can do it must be better than Jesus. No?

When you forgive the better forgiver is the one who was wrong when weak, or even in strength, but forgives anyhow when he should avenge, revenge, punish. Muhammad (AS) did that with the person who poisoned his food, this person intended to kill him, a greater sin than mocking, so your Christian lies about him is 100% bogus.

Now lets look at Jesus of the Bible. Lets point out a person that offended Jesus or made an attempt on his life: Judas Iscariot who carried his water of prediction for him, he did not forgive, even as the guy delivered the goods, for if it was not for Judas, we will have yet another unfulfilled prophesy. THe jews who hung him are always leachious, adulterous, viper nations or generations of ignorant people, fools, etc. No?

No one Offended Jesus and so Jesus failed in showing forgiveness, unlike Muhammad (AS). If you claim that Jesus forgave the prostitute, here are your problems. If you say that he was better than Moses, then we see that he went against his own statement that no one should abrogate Moses laws. hence Biblical jesus will have to be from the least of the Kingdom. no, unless all of the Jesus saying is one lie after another? If Jesus truly was willing to show prophetically wisdom of forgiveness, he himself knowing that he was sinless "or was he not?", he should have just thrown the first stone, after the people dispersed, to fulfil his own statement right there an then, keeping the Moses laws alive, and the woman does not have to die by just one stone from him.

Islam does not say a woman or man who is not married should be stoned to death, a better law of mercy than Moses kill him/her as long as there is a sexual impropriety!

I have no interest in answering any of the other questions as they seem to me, like the ones I answered a complete waste of my time. I rather be fishing.

"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?" Muhayyisa answered, "Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off."

This story is also supported in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996:

Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.

This murder was committed upon Muhammad's command. Note that this Muslim murderer would have killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Muhammad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jewish people. Hitler did this. And, this is what the Serbs did to the Kosovan Muslims. Muhammad's command to murder Jews puts him in the same category as Milosovic, Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history. A quote from an Islamic scholar - Wensinck writes in his, "Muhammad and the Jews of Medina" [2], page 113:

"It is remarkable that tradition attributes Muhammad's most cruel acts to divine order, namely the siege of Qaynuqa, the murder of Kab, and he attack upon Qurayzah. Allah's conscience seems to be more elastic than that of his creatures.", Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on."

the ahadith if read as above indicates any means all jews as long he or she fall under your power, rightly or wrongly must be killed! no?

ridiculous, considering that life is very precious in the Quran, and Muhammad did not even kill the woman Jew who poisoned him! And yet, those jewish clans which had alliances and treaties with muslims, no one dissoled the on going peace traeties, and many Jews were muslims; Ibn Abdal SAlaam (RA)! You want to read about it, read from www.answering-christianity.com. a snippet is below to give you an idea of how weak and untrue such account you enemies of Allah present:


Taken from http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/st1.html#Refutation%20of%20anti-Islamic%20allegations

Despite the fact that this story is mentioned in Sunan Abu Dawood, it is weak and unreliable. Concerning isnad (i.e. chain of reporters), this Hadith was narrated by servant of Zaid Ibn Thabet on authority of daughter of Muhayyisah. Servant of Zaid is Muhammad Ibn Ibi Muhammad and he is unreliable, and daughter of Muhayyisah is unknown. Concerning matn (i.e. text), it says that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ordered to kill all Jews which is illogical even if Christian missionaries want to believe it! Because the Jews had a treaty with Muslims and there was no evidence that Muslims indulged in killing any Jew other than this Hadith. Moreover, Ibn Hesham himelf who edited the work of Ibn Ishaq suggests that the incident of Huwayyisah and Muhayyisah occurred during slaughter of Bani-Qurayzah, not after murder of Ka’b(11). Needless to say, there is no such thing as “Kill any Jew that come under your power”.
(11) As-Sirat-un-Nabawiyyah, Volume 3, page 18

« on: December 03, 2009, 01:36 PM »
BEGINNING OF MUHAMMAD'S VIOLENCE
Just prior to Muhammad's leaving for Medina, he received a "revelation" allowing him to fight the Meccans. He knew that in Medina, he had a group of armed men who would support him. Furthermore, in Medina, would be more distant from the Meccans and their attempts to oppress or kill him. The following is from "The Life of Muhammad", page 212-213, by A. Guillaume, which is a rendering of Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", a biography of Muhammad written by an early Muslim scholar [1].

Alhamdulillah that he was not as dull as a bell, knowing that the Makkans are after him, he got out of dodge! Unlike some people who knew they are doomed, sorry agreed to be doomed (hung around after the so many begging and crying and weeping and supplicatings and praying), when it came the time to die they asked "why has thou forsaken me?" No?

Is any of such beggers worthy of being called god, even the ogun worshipper dont say their idol even beg!

@niyi53:

You all are just making issues getting complicted for yourselves. This issue is quite clear and obvious. Jesus is dead and he is never going to come back to this world. Its is anothe person who is going to come in his name and power. If you like accept it or reject it.

I wonder why and how another person is coming in his name, when the original could easily be sent? show us the proof of how you arrive that this opinion? Did Jesus have any power of his own? Is there anyone who has any power except what Allah gives to accomplish His Purpose?

The new Jesus is what I want to know about sine there are no 2 Jibril, or Mikail, etc of the angels or Shaitan who used to be Iblis from the Jinn, or Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail (the first to be slaughtered of the two fathers of Muhammad (AS), Isiaq, Yaqub (named Israil), Yusuf whom Allah permits his father israil and the whole family allowed Sadjah (not worshipping him, but making true of his prophetic dream), etc, and the beloved of Allah; Muhammad (AS)!

Why 2 Jesus(es)? Are things not made clear by Allah in His Book? Did Muhammad (AS) not say Isa bin Maryam will come back to fight Dajjal? Do you know about what Allah has ordained than Allah and His Messenger (AS)? Allah says that those who believe hear the Quran and get the best meaning thereof from it. How do you know the best meaning? It agrees with the Quran and it is what the prophet says about it! Allah says "and his coming will be a sign of the hour", and Allah says "believers only say we hear and we believe to what Allah and His Messenger say" and "whatever Muhammad gives take and what he forbids, avoid". Where are you making mistakes?

@no2atheism: « #342 on: Today at 01:23:02 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:19:49 PM
If cult does not permit too many questions, is Catholic not a good group of the bigger umbrella cult to illustrate this?
Asking question: Tell me Who is God?
Is He All Powerful?
Is He Invisible?
Is He All Wise?
Is He a human being?
Just a few of many questions, and how is Jesus fairing as God if we consider any of the above and how many Gods are there?
And have I ever told you that Roman Catholism is not a cult. . .

Considering the population of the Catholics, this dramastically reduced the population and percentageof the true Christians to under 50%. No? Yet I have not spoken about the Coptic, the Eastern, Greek, etc, etc, orthodoxes, and the many fragments in Ethiopia, or the middle eastern nestorian/ite and other groups! Yet not all the Aladuras and the Celes (Noetic15 you are in for a rude awakening (lol)), etc! Yet you still have the lake of fire and the least in the kingdom, etc promises of Jesus an the "I do not know thee" after they say that they perform great miracles in his name! Man you are batting zero, everytime you come up at bat!

Did you see my entry on the kidnapping thread, made just for you, while I am not making light of the critical situation?


@kola oloye (m): « #343 on: Today at 01:34:22 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:19:49 PM
If cult does not permit too many questions, is Catholic not a good group of the bigger umbrella cult to illustrate this?
Asking question: Tell me Who is God?
Is He All Powerful?
Is He Invisible?
Is He All Wise?
Is He a human being?
Just a few of many questions, and how is Jesus fairing as God if we consider any of the above and how many Gods are there?
Sir, why are you asking us this kind of questions knowing fully well that
God is all powerful, invisible, omnipotent and the rest?
There is only one God, the creator.
Don't be confused with the issue of trinity.

Ogbeni Oloye, my question is to the core of the pitiful claim that Jesus of the Bible is a God, since you know that he fail to meet the Qualities of what humans know belong to God! You even said that Jesus was killed, termination his life on earth at that time, before he was "born again" (lol) like you I suppose? Ogbeni, dont make me laugh.

Neither of the elites of Christianity attempted the to answer the simple sets of Questions. And at the critical hour, the behae like the denier like "peter" (I dont know his name and I dont care) who denied Biblical Jesus before dawn! Why should I expect better from you fellas, since your earlier examples were thomases, Judases, Peter(es)?

Ehibaby; the starter of this thread is christian. no? then address your christian/muslim thingy to him. those who died (ra), died where death was to catch them. where and when and how will i die? all are within the Knowledge of Al Alim, Alone. I just pray that He allows me to live a very long life, fruitful, meaningful, benefitting millions and to die in the company of mumin!

If cult does not permit too many questions, is Catholic not a good group of the bigger umbrella cult to illustrate this?


Asking question: Tell me Who is God?

Is He All Powerful?

Is He Invisible?

Is He All Wise?

Is He a human being?

Just a few of many questions, and how is Jesus fairing as God if we consider any of the above and how many Gods are there?

With a single verse Allah admonishes. The explanation contains ahadith, sunnah and real life situation, all presented to you above. Yet no2atheism, a resident of England did not get anything from it. You remind me of Toluxa1, Nuclearboy, etc in your ignominy! Is there any reasin that I should now pay attention to your ignorance? No reason, because you have proven yourself to be intentionally deceitful!

There are many on going threads where Muslims ask varied questions and no one have said they couldnt of what is already been asked, with answers in Quran and Hadith/Sunnah!

Should you ask about Jesus, Allah gave the answers already. Should you ask about Trinity, the same situation!

You are dismissed, man!