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@brocab "if the disciples were filled with the Holy spirit, then it must mean, they become one spirit".
Gospel junk and mumu falsehood !
Na where U read am for Bible?

@ brocab:"It's simple, two spirits is flesh and God separated, Christ was never separated from the Father.. "
OMG, what a senseless falsehood !
"Two spirit is flesh and God separated"
Na where U read am for Bible?
All your posts na junk.
Shameless mumu LIAR.

Primesky:
The fact that you can boldly, with unashamed face tell me these things, without your conscience priking you say a lot.

My joy is that increasingly, God is opening the eyes of your colleagues to see the deception you've been led into.

* Who says he'll fire does not exist?. Jesus said it exist and you and Watch Tower says it doesn't exist. Who is lieing you or Jesus?. Even when the bible tells you that Jesus preached to the spirits of these men of Noah's time at death, you still looked for a way to maneuver it. And I asked you if what Jesus said is contrary to what God says, such that we can now discard the words of Jesus Christ. That's unthinkable!.


*So, you will say what you people do once a year is the Lord's Supper?. Wonders shall never end. You mock Christ and say you're honoring Him?. That's bad na bro.

* OK, the word spirit is not the same as Holy Spirit, who or what then is the Holy Spirit of God as the bible puts it?. See how you're confusing yourself?. Man has his own conscious rational spirit, and there is the Holy Spirit of God!. Two separate entities. See how you're asking how many spirits were poured out at Pentecost, of cause is one Holy Spirit of God!.

Then, why did the Bible say that we all who believe in Jesus Christ are sealed by one Spirit?

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Tell me, can an ordinary force be grieved?.

Again, tell me as the scripture puts it below, how can we come before God, angels, Jesus and before the spirits(individual spirits) of just men made perfect. Can you do that with a mere force?. I thought the force just evaporates like you people believe?.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Please stop believing in a lie. Repent and receive Jesus Christ now!. Please it's not an insult,tjis is really serious. You guys are yet to know the real Jesus Christ!. May God also open your eyes. Shalom.

Bro, wetin U know understand dey confuse U. James 2:26 "As the body with out SPIRIT is dead , so faith with out works is dead"
Eccl 12:7 "... the SPIRIT returns to God who gave it"
Primesky , is that "spirit" (in James2:26, Eccl12:7, ) actually the holy spirit?

2) Did God send Adam to hellfire, yes or no?

3) Did Jesus preach to so-called spirits of the dead in prison? No !!!!
Let the Bible speak, 1 Peter 3:18-20
" "Christ was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit through which also he went to preach to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built". (Further proof Christ resurrected with a spiritual body).
Primesky who were the "spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when Noah built the ark?

"The sons of God (Angels ) went after the daughters of men& had children by them" Genesis 6:4.
Jude 1:6 "Angels (now demons) who abandoned their own home (heaven) these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains " (these are the spirits in prison)

In the days of Noah, these angels disobeyed God by having kids with women on earth.

4) To grieve the holy spirit (a figure of speech) which means to reject God's power to guide U to live a Christ like life

Acts 2:33,38" Christ has received from the Father the promised holy spirit and has poured out what U now see and hear"
v38" And you will receive the gift of the holy spirit"
( Did Yahweh give out "God" as a gift?)
Acts1:8 " But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes on you"
did God (a)pour himself on Christ ? (b) pour himself on followers of Christ (c) Pour himself
on Mary ,Elizabeth? Luke 1:35,41.

Acts4:7,8 "By what POWER or what name did you do this?
Verse 8 provided the answer to v7 question.
v8 "Then, Peter filled with the holy spirit...
The holy spirit is the power Yahweh promised to gift His servants- Jesus &Christ's followers.

johnw47:
oh duh, God was talking to Israel and not to the future pharisees sect which a man named
jehovahs witnesses

false jw's are not YAHWEH's witnesses, you false jw's call YAHWEH "a god"

look at the bible verses i posted showing that Jesus is YAHWEH



ha ha we have facts and truth, but you don't believe truth, that's foreign to children of satan

your jw facts are false, everything about false jw is false

Mumu brained fellow brainwashed with mumu doctrine.
No JW has ever called "YAHWEH a god" on NL and offline .
That falsehood only exist in your deluded brain.

On this thread , U could not answer the question ,"who is the God of Yahweh?" nor give any concrete proof that Jesus is the God of Yahweh,yet U shamelessly lie that "Jesus is Yahweh."

Your mumu brain dey twist the holy scriptures up & down with portions of the scriptures mistranslated & twisted by the enemies of the truth (trinity peddlers) like U.

"The God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob, the God of our forefathers has glorified His son and servant, Jesus" Acts 3:13.

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord,Jesus Christ.." 2 Cor 1:3.

"..For us (JWs worldwide) there is but one God the Father (Yahweh), from whom ALL things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"
1 Cor 8:5,6.

"God (Yahweh) made this Jesus both Lord and Christ" Acts 2:36.

Jesus Christ is NOT Yahweh his Father and God.

Johnw47,your mumu done do

brocab:
{John 1:1} NWT Bible In the beginning was the Word, a and the Word was with God, b and the Word was a god.c

Very correct rendition of John 1:1.

"In the beginning existed the word, and the word existed with the god ,and a god was the word"
Sahidic Coptic Bible,2nd century translation.

The KJV, NIV, AMP version of John 1:1 is fake ,twisted & misleading on various levels.

1). Grammatically fraudulent.
"The word was with God" John 1:1b
"and the word was God"
"The word" is one spirit entity. God is another spirit entity,that is two spirit beings.
The two different spirit beings who were side by side (John 1:18) can not be a single spirit being (God).

2) Spiritually fraudulent.
"To whom will you compare me?
Or who is my equal?" Says the Holy One, Yahweh." Isaiah 40:25.
In the spiritual realm Yahweh is Supreme, without any equal. No wonder, Christ called Him "the only true God (John 17:3).

3) No two humans are exactly alike in everything ,not even twins !
Each one is unique & different from the other.
The same holds true in the spiritual realm (based on (2) above,. Every spirit being is unique.

4) The personal testimony of Jesus Christ, & his followers(Matt 16:13-17.John 7:16. Acts 3:13. John 20:30,31. 1 cor11:3. 15:24-27. Rev 3:12,21). contradicts all the twists, forgeries and distortion perpetuated by peddlers of mumu false doctrine.

johnw47:
onej TATIME haywizzy007

scriptures tell us that God is the True God, jer 10:10
so if "a god" is not the true God, then "a god" is a false God

and so you false jw's make the Word-Jesus Christ to be a false god

according to your false jw's false beliefs:
all that was created by the Word, john 1:3, was created by a false god,
and the saviour of the world Jesus christ, john 4:42, is a false god


but then your false jw's teachings are from your father the devil:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally, like your daddy

Mumu post from a mumu brain.

Greek theos means "god", "goddess" or "God"
. No difference.
.The manuscripts rendition is in lowercase letters, not capital letters in the new testament (NT).

"theos " = god is very correct.
It is the Bible translators who placed big letter "God" in the NT.
In the Greek manuscripts, Acts 12:22 ("..voice of god", Acts 28:6 ("he was god" , John 1:1c ("and god was the word".
Check any English Bible, (except NWT, Sahidic Coptic Bible & a few others) none of them used " god" in John 1:1c.

In John 1:1c , "and a god was the word" is very correct in as much as Acts 12:22(KJV) "voice of god" was translated as "voice of a god".
For the same reason that Acts28: 6(KJV) "he was god" was translated as. "he was a god"

Mumu brain dey deceive himself & him mumu doctrine crew.
Them no know say theos is god, goddess.
God ,god or goddess na the something for Greek language.

johnw47:
@bold, oh duh onej, "god" where used for the Father is small "g" also,
are you now saying God-Father is "a god"

christians are not confused about small or capital letters or bad translations like the nwt
we can see the truth of any matter from other verses which say or show the same thing
and there are very many bible verses showing that the Word-Jesus Christ is God Yahweh

there is still many i haven't posted yet, but false jw's don't ask to see them,
and i have offered a couple of times,

also the exact same greek word for God(theos), was used for "God" and the "Word":

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(theos), and the Word was God(theos).

Mumu post.

The Bible was translated from koine Greek to English. The Greek word 'theos ' stands for god or goddess, a deity (lowercase).
The Greek manuscript does not use "God", as done by your dubious KJV in John 1:1, and "a god "in Acts 12:22 . Acts28:6.

The koine Greek rendition of John 1:1 solely based on Greek grammatical rules should determine what's the proper rendition in English.

The adulterated English versions U cherish so much & bandied about is no match for the authentic Sahidic Coptic Bible or NWT rendition of John 1:1.

johnw47:
so you don't believe the bible verses showing that the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all that exists
and who is the Saviour of the world, is God-YAHWEH
of course you don't, you are false jw



Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

and the only true God is God and the Word:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 
 



Psa 83:18  That men may know that thou, whose name alone is YHWH, art the most high over all the earth.

yes, God and the Word is God
God's name is YAHWEH
God-YAHWEH is the most high over all the earth

of course you false jw onej don't believe the bible verses posted
showing the Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world, who created all that exists, to be God-YAHWEH
you believe He is "a god" laugh



of course He did, you just don't believe Him

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Your Father begets U.
U are your Father who begets U.
Mumu doctrine from mumu brain.
"begotten from the Father"
Open your dictionary and paste the definition of begotten on this thread...

brocab:
Deafeningly brain dead! If we were to think as a Child, we will stay as a Child..Don't you get it "man?

KJ Bible: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And still the Word is God..
AMP bible: In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

The rendition U pasted above is not strictly accurate.
To start with: the Greek words were lower case. In English "God" is different from "god"

Source :John 1:1 Wikipedia
The Greek to English word for word transliteration of John 1:1 reads:
"in beginning was the word,
and the word was with (toward, facing) the god
and god was the word"

In 13 different Bibles, John 1:1c reads:
" and a god was the word" "(or was divine)."
These Bibles with the accurate rendition of John 1:1, (including the 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible were not published by JWs. )

U no even know say before your cherished & forged KJV came out in the 16th century, the Sahidic Coptic Bible's authentic rendition of John 1:1 had already been widely known. Lol

johnw47:
tat, you false jw's are not only against christianity, but are against the Lord Jesus Christ Himself,
calling the Creator of all that exists "a god", calling the Saviour of the world "a god"

but God has allowed your god of this world satan to blind you, because of your disbelief
and doesn't it show

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Wetin do your brain?
Jesus Christ the saviour said "I am God's son". Christ confessed that Yahweh called His sons "gods". Therefore, Christ Jesus is a god. John 10:34-36. Ps 82:6. Acts 3:13.

Let me break down again:
The Lion is the Father of a Lion (the son).
Likewise, the God (Yahweh) is the Father of a god (the Word).
John 1:1a has definite article (the Word).
John 1:1b has definite article too ("the Word was with the God".
John 1:1c has NO definite article but ( "and.." )
The big question : Is. " a god" an accurate rendition of John 1:1c
?

The Greek manuscript holds the key to the answer.
Let's see...
John 1:1c is similar to Acts 12:22 and Acts 28:6.
The Greek manuscript rendition reads..
John 1:1c - and god was the word
Acts12:22 - they shouted, this is the voice of
god
Acts28:6- they changed their minds and said he was god..

The Greek language has definite article ("the" but has no indefinite article ("a".

If U check carefully,John 1:1c ("and god..",) Acts 12:22("of god" and Acts 28:6(was god" ,in all these verses, there is no definite article ("the" that comes before the word "god"

However, the rules of Greek grammatical construct justifies the insertion of indefinite article ("a"
to give clarity , precise meaning & understanding of the texts,passage or sentence.

As a result, the 2nd century translation of the Gospel of John into Coptic, the Sahidic Coptic Bible rendition of John 1:1 is very authentic:
" In the beginning existed the word, and the word existed with the God and a god was the word"

Therefore Acts 12:22, reads. "voice of a god". , Acts 28:6 reads " he was a god".
U would observe that the English Bible's rendition of these verses stuck with the rules of Greek grammatical construct.
To query & fault the insertion of indefinite article ("a god" in John 1:1c while U justify it &see nothing wrong with it in Acts12:22 & Acts 28:6, that makes U a hypocrite..

BTW, Christ never explicitly said he is Yahweh, rather, his words were distorted coupled with several notable forgeries (Rev1:11, 1 John 5:7, 1 Tim 3:16 etc) to perpetuate a false doctrine.
His 1st century followers did not teach or believed in your mumu doctrine (Acts 3:13. Matt 16:13-17. 1 cor 11:3. John 20:30,31).
Where ever an existing rule is discarded, bent or swept aside, fraud, forgery and corruption is inevitable.
That is what the popular rendition of John 1:1c stands for.

haywizzy007:
What is the meaning of what you've written up here? i bet you don't even understand.
I know you are confused, buh lemme you..
It simply means Jesus Christ is different from his father YAHWEH(two different entities, but united in purpose).One died, and it is impossible for the other to die..

Was Jesus Christ referring to himself at Matthew 4:10?

My bro,haywizzy007, the Trinity crew are too confused & arrogant to ditch their mumu doctrine.
Humility no dey their dictionary.

@johnw47: Your "God " who died is not Yahweh.

The only true God (John 17:3) & Most High God,Yahweh (Ps83:18) never lived on earth for 33 and a half yrs.

brocab:
We have always answered your question who Yahweh is, "With Us is God" it's your mental state of mind that won't allow you to agree upon such understanding!
I realise some words can be tricky, and sometimes when we don't understand something it can be frustrating, "lets say in your language your name is OneJ, in my country your name sounds like dum dum, in another land it may sound silly
It isn't rocket science to work out how the scriptures sound, the net is opened for all to see, if you don't understand what sounds-then try to understand it by Word.
It doesn't matter how many times we have given you the Word of God-how many times we have answered who Yahweh is-you seem to let yourself go into a blind rage.
Many Christians speak in tongues, JW's also have a new language, it appears beyond measure, in English we call it abuse against Christ.
There is no other name above Jesus name..
{Philippines 2:8-10} And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,…
''Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This is all we need to believe, there is no name above Jesus name on earth, under the Earth, and above the Earth, who can save us-Jesus Christ is Lord...

Mumu post.

The one who lifts U up to a higher position must definitely be higher than U in rank/status
"Therefore, God (Yahweh) exalted him (Christ) to the highest place" below Yahweh. Phil2:8-10

Yahweh the Father & God who lifted Jesus Christ is always greater than Jesus.
"The Father is greater than I" John 14:28.
"The head of Christ is God",Almighty Yahweh. 1 Cor 11:3

Jesus Christ called Yahweh "my Father and my God" John 20:17.

"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our Forefathers, has glorified his Servant and Son, Jesus" Act 3:13.

Answer the question that is haunting your mumu Trinity doctrine.
The simple question is : Who is the Father and the God of Yahweh ?

johnw47:
yes
brocab, where as false jw's falsely believe that Jesus is "a god"
they also falsely believe in two god's, they believe in a almighty god, and a mighty god.
of course Almighty God and mighty God is the one true God, not two,
as the scriptures show:

Yahweh is Almighty God
Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Yahweh is mighty God
Psa_50:1  A Psalm of Asaph. The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.

Aimless rigmarole.

The simple question is : " Who is the Father and the God of Yahweh ?

If your sunday school student asked the question (" Who is the Father and the God of Yahweh?", U go dey quote Gen17:1 ,& Ps 50:1 and for your mumu brain U done give answer ba....

U have dodged the question & still deceive yourselves

johnw47:
lying, blinded, confused, hysterical, false prophet, false jw onej,
post to bro and me separately, you are more than confused enough as it is

Arrogance is your middle name.
So, U done high well well pass brocab?
Holier than thou god of men.
Pharisee.

Those following this thread done see U finish! U are a "lying ,blinded, confused, hysterical, false prophet"
Both of u (brocab & johnw47) keep running away from the question U keep dodging,

According to Jesus Christ,in John 20:17, Yahweh is the Father & God of Jesus Christ.

This question keeps pursuing both of u:
Who is the God & Father of Yahweh?

Tis a folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.
OP, don't be misled by junk that masquerades as fact.
If u had done your own thorough investigation, no god of men will feed u with junk.
KJV was translated to English from the text us receptus (TR) ,a 16th century manuscript of the Bible.
There are older manuscripts of the holy scriptures which are existing today that are more accurate and authentic when compared with TR.
Ignorance is more dangerous than Ebola disease.
Pls shine your eyes.

maximunimpact:
I still maintain my claims because they're all my personal experience... you guyz will rather consult idols than seek miracles with prayers..deal with it. Besides some of your elders are wizards.

Fallacy of generalization.

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johnw47:
yes onej you would know, as satans followers-false jw do also




yet you false jw onej is the one caught out in lies and confusion, smile



oh still confused onej with brain like a sieve, i already told you i don't teach satans mob

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.




onej, your photo looks like a hysterical person,
laughing and on the verge of crying, and that's how you come across also,
your hysteria along with your blindness, confusion, and lying also comes from your god satan, of course


false jw's
false prophets
blind as bats
lie like anything
confused as can be
hysterical as heck

johnw47:
yes dey very confused, and lie like hell

brocab:
Well he changed his name, he can't hide from the truth-he is still a lost sheep 'never knowing the truth about Christ-He wrote the above after I had written scriptures out from their bible, I was teachable, and then verbally he decided to deny I even exist..

Brocab & johnw47, the sensible men who "knows" the truth about Christ. (whatever that means..)

"Jesus said... I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" John20:17

Jesus called Yahweh,( the Most High God,Ps83:18) "my Father and God."
Yahweh is the God of Jesus Christ.

The question that haunts your mumu doctrine is here by popular demand.
,brocab & johnw47 (enemies of the truth & Artful Dodgers, but U can't dodge this one), who is the God of Yahweh ?

johnw47:
ha ha, onej your continued lying won't take away your blindness and confusion:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Satan dey quote scriptures too.
Johnw47 dey quote scriptures wey no fit cover up him junk ,mumu doctrine.
mumu doctrine = mumu brain.

"Jesus said ...I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"
John 20:17
Jesus called Yahweh "my Father and my God" Yahweh is the God of Jesus Christ.
Johnw47, who is the God of Yahweh
?

OneJ:
Agreed , U never pasted about CT Russell.

johnw47:
ha ha, oh confused one, no you are not riofidelio,
tatime is

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.




onej and tatime your confusion is from your god satan the devil

johnw47:
the truth is shade and insults to false jw, of course it is

ha ha, oh false accusing, unable to say the truth onej
i have posted your confusion and lies, but you are blinded
so here is a couple again:









2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

These posts above speaks for itself.
As a matter of urgency, pls go consult a Shrink without delay. It's obvious U definitely need professional attention.

johnw47:
i am a non denominational bible believing christian belonging to the true church of God
which is made up of true believers all over the world from many diffrent denominations

but not from the jw org which is not christian and who believe that Christ is "a god"
one of two god's, their almighty god and their mighty god, ha ha much confusion and lies from false jw

tat, you false jw's are so confused and cannot help lying:









ha ha ha, your great confusion in only a few posts shows who your god is

what you blinded false jw's do best is your confusion and your lies:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

OneJ:
Mr LIAR.
I am not Riofidelio, or any one else that your brain is confused about.
OneJ has only the 'OneJ' moniker on NL.

The throne that Jesus sat on , belongs to his Father, Yahweh. Heb1:8,9 reference Ps45:5-7. ( It's the throne that God promised David & his descendants, that is God's (Yahweh's) throne. 2Sam7:11-13. Luke 1:32,33. 1Chr 29:23.)

"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him... Rev 1:1
Jesus Christ is not the same as the God (Almighty Yahweh) who gave him the revelation.

Revelation 3 Vs12
" Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple (sanctuary) of my God... I will write on him the name of my God,and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write on him my new name"

3Vs 21
"To him who overcomes, I will give him the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and SAT DOWN WITH MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE"
Rev 3:12,21

(Can't U see that something is wrong with your understanding? Or is plain English beyond your grasp?)

Mr Liar.
U are just throwing shade & insults here. Na una way be that whenever JWs use the holy Bible. to expose the man made doctrine & lies U cherish so much.

Your arrogance & mumu dey shine pass moonlight. The Bible verses & scriptural points made in the post above were so spot on that U took solace in insults & shade throwing.

The guy with him junk doctrine,fear no let am fit paste from him own Bible, 2 Sam 7:11-13. Luke 1:32,33. 1chr29:23. Revelation 1:1. 3:12,21 , make Nairalanders confirm him junk doctrine.

johnw47:
twister onej, what i actually said was "Father has also called the Son God"



Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Father never said: "Thy throne, O a god,"
or: "Thy throne, a god,"

He said: "Thy throne, O God,"



Father called Him "God", you false jw of course say diffrent to Father and call Him "a god":

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mr LIAR.
I am not Riofidelio, or any one else that your brain is confused about.
OneJ has only the 'OneJ' moniker on NL.

The throne that Jesus sat on , belongs to his Father, Yahweh. Heb1:8,9 reference Ps45:5-7. ( It's the throne that God promised David & his descendants, that is God's (Yahweh's) throne. 2Sam7:11-13. Luke 1:32,33. 1Chr 29:23.)

"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him... Rev 1:1
Jesus Christ is not the same as the God (Almighty Yahweh) who gave him the revelation.

Revelation 3 Vs12
" Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple (sanctuary) of my God... I will write on him the name of my God,and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write on him my new name"

3Vs 21
"To him who overcomes, I will give him the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and SAT DOWN WITH MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE"
Rev 3:12,21

(Can't U see that something is wrong with your understanding? Or is plain English beyond your grasp?)

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That men may know that you whose name is Jehovah (Yahweh) you alone are the Most High over all the earth. Psalms 83:18.

Titles of God , some titled ascribed to Jesus, and in some cases, name of places na them the OP done change to names of God.

alBHAGDADI:
Now, in all the rubbish you quoted or referrenced, which one of them states that the Bible said we shouldn't celebrate birthdays?

You are just speaking where the Bible remained silent. Now you are looking for worldly people to speak for you.

Man keep shut and leave those who want to celebrate to celebrate. Holier than thou heretic.

Your insults mean nothing to me. The truth is too bitter for you to accept.. Na your problem be that.
Case closed.
Shalom

johnw47:
yes i read 1corinthians 15:23-29, the Father is greater than the Son, i know that
and both Father and Son is God, that's what you don't know or believe,
i have posted many verses showing that the word come Jesus is God,
if you haven't seen them ask and i will post them again



i see, Father is the only true first and the last, so Jesus is a false first and the last,
you say the same sort of thing about about john 1:1, Father is God but the Word is "a god"
and please save me your explanations i have heard them



Father and Son are both called alpha and omega because the two persons Father and son is the one true God
you don't undersdtand or believe it, kool

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"All authority in heaven and on earth has been GIVEN TO ME". Matt 28:18. given by whom?
Yahweh gave it to Christ of course !!
(Yahweh) has given him (Christ) authority to bear alpha and omega and any other title ascribed to Christ (John 5:26,27).
"The Father is greater and mightier than I am" John 14:28 shows U that Yahweh is above Christ as Head. 1 Cor11:3.

I and the Father are one" John 10:30.
"Did not God make you one" Mal 2:15.
"So they are no longer two but one" Matt19:5,6
These verses (Mal 2:15,John 10:30. Matt19:5,6) is synonymous with the phrase "We are one",that is we are united.
Christ and Yahweh are united. Christ never said "i and the Father are one God"
( Only a deluded brain would give a different, fake interpretation).
Yahweh called men " Gods" psalms 82:6. The sons of God are "Gods",the son of God is a God. This is a fact that Christ confessed in John10:34-36, where Christ confessed he is the son of God. Matt 16:13-17

"To whom then will you liken me (Yahweh) that I should be equal to him" ? Isaiah 40:25.
Yahweh alone is the Supreme God, the only true God, not Jesus Christ. John 17:3.

johnw47:
keep up with your lies that's what you false jw's are good at

i never copied and pasted anything about c.t. russell being a freemason
your confusion is from having the devils spirit in you

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Father is the Son's God, and Father has also called the Son God

Agreed , U never pasted about CT Russell.
But U can't twist Rev 3:2,12,21
The Father has never called his son "My God".
The Father Yahweh called men "Gods" Psalm 82:6. In John 10:34-36, Jesus confirmed it but called himself the son of God.
The son of God is a God.
Receive sense.

alBHAGDADI:
1.) First and foremost, birthdays are no command. Yes, we can say it is an example of Pharaoh whom is the first person to celebrate his birthday in the Bible. Now, aren't there other examples one can learn from that Pharaoh? That Pharaoh whom you paint as evil still did lots of good. Remember he housed the children of Israel who were God's people and even gave them land. That is a good example for all mankind. We can't throw the baby away with the bath water. Pharaoh was bad but he had some good qualities. We learn from the good and discard the bad.

As for customs, there are tonnes of pagan customs which we Christians have imbibed. First and foremost, before you label those people as pagans, you must know that they are humans first. It's not as if their every action involves worship of false god.

Yes, the Bible is my judge and it never says we should not celebrate birthdays.

2.) Genesis 40:20
And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants.

The above verse is talking about what Pharaoh did on his birthday. It in no way states that birthdays are wrong or evil. Just cos Pharaoh murdered someone on his birthday doesn't mean that is what happens on birthdays. The verse in no way condemns birthdays. Stop speaking where the Bible never spoke.

If you had read further, you would have seen that it wasn't only evil Pharaoh did. He also did good in that he restored his buttler back to his position.

Genesis 40:21
And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand:

I can't even say Pharaoh did evil. What the Pharaoh did to the baker was simply judgment for an offence he committed. He only chose to pardon one and punish the other by killing him, a thing I believe he deserved.

Genesis 40:1
And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had OFFENDED their lord the king of Egypt.

But here you are trying to paint pharaoh's actions as totally evil and even using it to stain birthday celebrations. I can even say the Pharaoh did more good and no evil. The Baker got what he deserved, but the Butler got pardoned which is a good act from Pharaoh. That good act led to Joseph being made assistant Pharaoh to the point where the children of Israel we're saved from famine as they took refuge in Egypt. If Pharaoh had not thrown a birthday party, the gift of Joseph won't have filtered into his ears.

Mathew 14:1-12 also doesn't speak against birthdays. It's just about Herod doing something evil which happened to happen on his birthday. It's not as if murdering a person is a custom associated with birthdays.

I doubt you understand the passage in Galatians.

3. ) I don't know about secular history, but I can state that the Bible never said birthdays are a pagan customs and that we must abstain from such. That's why you havent been able to show me one single verse of such.

4.) I'm not derailing the thread. I'm glad we both agree that wedding rings are borrowed from pagan customs. If you also say birthdays are borrowed from Pagans, how come you wear wedding rings but kick against birthdays? Aren't suppose to kick against both? Can you now see how hypocritical you are?

U still no want to receive sense....
Half baked Christians search for precise scriptures "Pharaoh thou art pagan, thou shalt not celebrate birthdays "

Gal 4:8-11 is crystal clear for everyone to understand.
Perhaps U no go understand Eccl 7:1, the message is too strong for birthdays celebrating apologists.

" The ancient world of Egypt, Greece, Rome and Persia celebrated the birthdays of gods, kings and nobles"
Encyclopedia Americana (1991)

"The early Christians did not celebrate his (Christ's) birthday because they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom"
The World Book Encyclopedia (3:416).

" The highest of all holidays in the Satanic Religion is the day of one's own birthday"
- Anton LaVey.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=18841

If na Pharaoh, King Herod, Satanists go be your role model, (not Christ, not his apostles and not men of faith) , feel free to make your choice.
Case closed.

johnw74:
false accuser onej, i must have spanked your bottom did i

i posted four bible verses and your reply is "LIAR"
but then you are a bible disbelieving false jw, aren't you

truly the Word is God, but of course you wouldn't know

Hahahahahahaa.
Jumping from pillar to post.
Peddler of false doctrine...
Jesus is not Almighty God, Yahweh

"Rouse yourselves and keep awake.... meeting the requirements of My God" ....He who overcomes , I will make him a pillar in the sanctuary of My God, I will write on him the name of My God...My God...My God"
Rev 3:2,12,21.

alBHAGDADI:
1.) I keep telling you that there are tonnes of pagan customs which we borrowed because they are good. I gave you wedding ring as an example. If you can't see anything wrong with wedding ring, I wonder why you see anything wrong in birthdays.

Funny you. Nobody said Christmas is a commandment of God, neither did they say it is compulsory. You can choose to not celebrate it. But don't go about castigating those who do because you have no Bible verse to support your stance. The moment you start to go hard against it, as if the Bible kicks against it, is when you start to teach such doctrine of men as commandment of God.

2.) The Bible didn't say birthday celebration is a Christian practice, neither did it say it is not. The Bible also never in any way speak ill of birthdays. Just because it spoken of how Pharaoh and Herod did horrible things on their birthdays doesn't mean the Bible has condemned or spoken ill of birthdays. Herod and Pharaoh wore clothes on their birthdays, we should all stop wearing clothes too.

Just because the Bible doesn't mention one man of faith observing birthday doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate it. The Bible never mentioned microphones , yet we use them.


3.) Nowhere is it written that we shouldn't celebrate birthdays. Just cos it isn't record that the apostles celebrated birthday doesn't mean they were against it. If they were against it, we would see clear scriptures against it. Stop teaching doctrines of men as commandment of God.

4.) Stop being shady. So you mean Christian girls can hang nose rings and anklets of all kinds?

Okay, God never condemned the use of ornaments. But you still agree that the use of what we call wedding rings was borrowed from Pagans. Nowhere is it written that we should wear wedding rings. Why are you Jehovah's witnesses wearing wedding ring which is a borrowed culture from Pagans which the Bible never ordered specifically?

1) Whose command, examples, customs is being copied by the practice of birthdays celebration, Christian or pagan ? Who fixed christmas,annual birthday celebrations,God or men?
If U still get conscience trained by God's word the Bible, let it be your judge .

2). Even your lie..
" The Bible also never in any way speak ill of birthdays" no go remove the truth in Genesis 40:20. Matt 14:1-12 . Galatians 4:8-11.
Who celebrated, "observed particular days,and months and seasons and years" which Christ or the Bible did not approve ?
Pagans off course !
Throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation,"God said" , "Yahweh spoke", Jesus replied".... these expressions of communication were recorded. For the modern man, microphone is an accessory of communication. God communicates all the time. Nothing wrong about it.

3) Shameless liar with sophistry. The annual celebration of birthdays has paganism stamped all over it. The Bible & secular history agrees on that.
Receive sense.

4) U are the one being shady , nose rings & anklets is not birthday celebrations which this thread is about.
U wan derail this thread ?

brocab:
Let the truth set U free. {John 8:32}
Question: "Is Jehovah the true name of God?" Answer to this is deafeningly "NO"
Answer: In the Hebrew Scriptures, the name of God is recorded as YHWH. So, where did the name “Jehovah” come from? Ancient Hebrew did not use vowels in its written form. The vowels were pronounced in spoken Hebrew but were not recorded in written Hebrew. The appropriate vowel sounds of words were passed down orally. As a result, when ancient Hebrew is studied, scholars and linguists often do not know with absolute confidence how certain Hebrew words were pronounced.
This particularly becomes an issue when studying the Hebrew name of God, written in the Hebrew Scriptures as YHWH, also known as the tetragrammaton.
Despite much study and debate, it is still not universally agreed upon how the Hebrew name for God YHWH was pronounced. Some prefer “Yahweh” (YAH-way); others prefer “Yehowah,” “Yahuweh,” or “Yahawah”; still the JW's argue for “Jehovah.”
As you can see, virtually everything is up for debate. Should YHWH be pronounced with three syllables or two? Should the vowels be borrowed from Elohim or Adonai?
Should the W be pronounced with more of a W sound or more of a V sound? It is not the purpose of this article to settle the debate. Rather, it is the purpose of this article to discuss the use of “Jehovah.”
The vast majority of Jewish and Christian biblical scholars and linguists do not believe “Jehovah” to be the proper pronunciation of YHWH.
There was no true J sound in ancient Hebrew. Even the Hebrew letter vav, which is transliterated as the W in YHWH is said to have originally had a pronunciation closer to W than the V of Jehovah.
Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Latinized transliteration of the Hebrew YHWH. It is the letters of the tetragrammaton, Latinized into JHVH, with vowels inserted. “Yahweh” or “Yehowah” is far more likely to be the correct pronunciation.
The form Jehovah, though, is very commonly used. It is used in the King James Version of the Bible {Genesis 22:14; Exodus 6:3; 17:15; Judges 6:24; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4} But not throughout the hole bible.
It is also used, and strenuously promoted by, the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Jehovah’s Witnesses emphasize the use of Jehovah to the extent that any other name or title for God is viewed as borderline idolatry or outright heresy.
With all of that said, it is not crucial to the Christian faith for the proper pronunciation of YHWH to be known. Both the Old and New Testaments, inspired by God, use generic terms for “God” and “Lord,” including El, Elohim, and Adonai (Hebrew); and Theos and Kurios (Greek). If the authors of Scripture, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were allowed to use these terms, it is not wrong for us to refer to Him as “God” or “Lord,” either.
In conclusion, it is highly unlikely that “Jehovah” is the correct pronunciation of YHWH. Further, it is far more important to know God through faith in Jesus Christ, than it is to know the correct pronunciation of His name in Hebrew.

Straw man's flawed argument.
U have never called the son of God by his actual Hebrew name which incidentally is not 'Jesus', yet U find fault with Jehovah being the name of the Almighty God, that's double standard. Very hypocritical.

The Tetragrammatton "YHWH" in the OT & NT manuscripts were removed & substituted with generic terms Lord, God ,Elohim etc.
Often times, the NT writers spoke, quoted directly from OT, where they used God's name but it was removed in the NT & substituted with Lord. . For instance,Deut 8:3 ,Matt 4:4, Luke 4:4

Eternal life is tied to knowing Jehovah and his only begotten son , Jesus Christ.

" Trust in God; trust also in me" John 14:1.
"Now this is eternal life: That they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD ( Yahweh/Jehovah), and Jesus Christ whom you (Yahweh) has sent" John 17:3