Hairyrapunzel:


So last last no bible verse to back up your claims that in Hebrew she is boy and he is a girl? Eyaa. What a pity.

You wanna cover up your lies.

You said wisdom is a created being now you are saying it is an intangible quality because you find it difficult for explaining the she, sister and kinswoman wisdom is described as in the Bible?


Wisdom is no longer Jesus Christ? I no fit laff
Wisdom is no longer a created being? Lol

Wisdom is now genderless even though it's described as a she, sister and kinswoman in the Bible because this part of the bible doesn't tally with your beliefs that wisdom is Jesus Christ and a created being.

You now decide what to use or discard. Your jehovah really loves to cherry pick. He will soon cherry pick himself out of the bible or rather gb will cherry pick him out of the bible.

Now you wanna introduce Hebrew grammar rules to the old testament. I no fit laff

If U still wanna confirm that this guy is CROOKED, pls read the Bible & info at :
https://biblehub.com/proverbs/8-22.htm

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/proverbs/8-22.htm
"Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation"
Prov8:30
"Then I was the craftsman at his (Jehovah's) side. I was filled with delight day after day, always rejoicing at his presence"

"Jesus is the wisdom of God "
1 cor 1:24.

In Prov 8:22-30, a created being was personified as wisdom, which the Bible later revealed to be Jesus Christ, "the wisdom of God" and first creation of God. Col 1:15.

Arapunzel LIES & FALSEHOOD na the only talent wey him get to boost him mumu virus.
CORRECT WAYO MAN.

TATIME:
I know it's difficult to believe but you just do what i said to debunk my words.
Kumuyi is a thief,liar and greedy copycat. It's you and other brainwashed WICKED individuals that's blinded by his deceit! Why do i say "wicked" because he so much brainwashed all of you to the extent that you believe you're Christians, whereas you're all full of bitterness whenever you see
*women wearing jewelries and makeovers
*women with beautiful hairdos and fashion
*men who drinks moderately and responsibly
Kumuyi has NOTHING to offer than brainwashing all of you and making you enemies to whoever is not his Church member.
Tell me,can you preach one on one like Jehovah's witnesses who speaks freely and friendly with everyone?
Can you tactfully approach people who's lifestyle contradicts Kumuyi's ideas?
It's just impossible, that's why you only stand up in a bus and start talking to the air to avoid confrontations!
Just go and get Kumuyi's publications of late 80s and early 90s before you start spewing nonsense about a DISFELLOWSHIPED member of Jehovah's Witnesses. For your information, Kumuyi was trying to established his own church to beat the righteousness of JWs but he ended up becoming your god since there is no Pastor amongst you that holy enough to preach in his stead.He only play recorded sermons for all of you both home and away.
Abeg Catholic better pass Kumuyi settings joh at least they're friendly with neighbors unlike brainwashed Kumuyi church members who looks at everyone as HELLFIRE children simply because they're not paying tithes to Kumuyi!

OLAADEGBU:


Are these the lies you use in comforting yourself?

@ OLAADEGBU,
Your reply na story story.
These are very WEIGHTY ALLEGATIONS against your beloved Daddy GO, Kumuyi.
Go & bring the evidence make everybody here see am & confirm who is actually saying the truth ,as per these allegations.
No dull yourself.

Hairyrapunzel:


Why are you hiding bible passages. Abi e no get bible passage when say he na girl and she na boy? Lol

You said wisdom is Jesus christ now you are saying it is an intangible quality? I thought you said it is a created being? Lol.

Wisdom is a girl who cries at the city gate, it is a sister and also a kinswoman because bible says so. Got questions is now your bible? If na we use got questions you will say it's secular worldly, evil, unrighteous, pagan sources. Lol


.

Mumu post.
Your lies done expose who U & zodiackolo really be, U dey come back dey give mumu excuses to cover face.

Arapunzel forget to LIE say na him Bible dey make rules for Hebrew grammatical gender.

*BREAKING NEWS.....***
Arapunzel IBERIBEISM go release Greek and English grammar rules from him Bible.
Lol .

Hairyrapunzel:


Let me help you since you are now Hebrew. The Hebrew language says he is a girl and she is a boy. Lol.
No Bible passage to even show Hebrew describes a man as she and a woman as he. What a big shame.
No Bible verse to show a sister is a man or a kinswoman is a man. ABI Hebrew peeps a transgender?

You are still talking instead of you to hide your head in shame you brought gotquestions for me to see. I no fit laff.

zodiakzax:


..so in Hebrew sister is both sister and brother.. ...illiterates..ostrich sef get sense pass ona... ... my friend wisdom is a she, wisdom is sister and wisdom is kinswoman no be brother or kinsman...


So God no get wisdom from the begining Yahweh had to create wisdom before creating everything else, so I dey wonder ooo, so how did God get the wisdom to create wisdom??

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
.

"Wisdom is an intangible quality but Solomon describes it as if it's an actual person.
The Hebrew does use grammatical gender , much like Spanish, French. Herein is our problem, "She" as we understand it..... DOES NOT. necessarily indicate the physical gender..
Therefore, when translating from Hebrew into English, we MUST DISTINGUISH grammatical gender from our notions of sexual gender"
https://www.gotquestions.org/wisdom-
she-Proverbs.html

OneJ:


The Hebrews done show the world how their language. be, but Pharisee Arapunzel & him twin brother done twist am.
What would we expect from Pharisee Arapunzel & confirmed SERIAL LIAR who quotes scripture?

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
.

"Wisdom is an intangible quality but Solomon describes it as if it's an actual person.
The Hebrew does use grammatical gender , much like Spanish, French. Herein is our problem, "She" as we understand it..... DOES NOT. necessarily indicate the physical gender..
Therefore, when translating from Hebrew into English, we MUST DISTINGUISH grammatical gender from our notions of sexual gender"
https://www.gotquestions.org/wisdom-
she-Proverbs.html

The evidence & the Facts of the matter confirmed the gospel truth that Nairaland Pharisees and their ilk are kicking against.
BTW, gotquestions.org are peddlers of Trinity , just like these Nairaland. Pharisees, &they have further exposed Arapunzel & zodiakolo for who /what they are.
Birds of a feather, & SERIAL LIARS

Hairyrapunzel:


Proverbs 7:4
4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

Come and see again o. Wisdom is now somebody's sister and kinswoman

The Hebrews done show the world how their language. be, but Pharisee Arapunzel & him twin brother done twist am.
What would we expect from Pharisee Arapunzel & confirmed SERIAL LIAR who quotes scripture?

brocab:

{1 Corinthians 7:12–14} To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him.
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband…
Being married to an unbeliever can be one of the most difficult challenges in a Christian's life-Marriage is a sacred covenant that joins two people together in one flesh {Matthew 19:5}
It can be very difficult for a believer and an unbeliever to live in peaceful harmony. It is even difficult to be married to somebody who is religious and been taught about God differently! I call it more the challenge-a testing time..
{2 Corinthians 6:14–15} Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever!
{1 Peter 3:1} Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives.
If one partner becomes a Christian after the marriage, the inherent struggles of living under two different authorities quickly become apparent.
Christians married to unbelievers will need to pray for the power of the Holy Spirit to enable them to profess Christ and live in the light of God's presence. {1 John 1:7} They should seek God's transforming power to change their hearts and produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit. {Galatians 5:22-23}
A Christian wife is obligated to have a submissive heart, even toward her unbelieving husband {1 Peter 3:1} and she will need to remain close to God and rely on His grace to enable her to do so.
Christians are not meant to live solitary lives; they need to find support from outside sources such as the church and Bible study groups. They don't need gossips and busybodies-Elders separating them as soon as a pin drops, they need encouragement to help build a positive marriage, not something negative against their will..
Being married to an unbeliever does not alter the sacredness of the relationship, so it should be the priority of every Christian to pray for his or her spouse and set a good example, allowing Christ's light to shine brightly {Philippians 2:14}
May the truth be found in {1 Peter 3:1}—that an unbelieving spouse is “won over”—be the hope and goal of every Christian who is married to an unbeliever.
{Mark 10:5-8} “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female. ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.
”So with this attitude-then it is not right for anybody who calls themselves elders separate marriages..
Let no man separate what is sacred to God.
I have seen broken families within the Watchtower-elders separating husbands from wife's, visa versa-Children from Mothers, Fathers, visa versa, because of Watchtower meddling elders who think they have the power to separate what God had joined together-in order to keep themselves under lock and key-locked from the inside, full of unforgiving twisted rules and regulations against any creation God had made..

The FICTIONAL STORY of brocab.
Lol

Hairyrapunzel:

Shame did not allow you quote all the verses. You pick out a phrase as usual and discard the other phrases. Typical of jws

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.


Once again I ask where did Jesus Christ disagree?

John10:39
" Again THEY TRIED TO SEIZE HIM BUT HE ESCAPED THEIR GRASP"

Arapunzel & zodiackolo, come & explain to Nairalanders why they tried to kidnap Jesus & why he "ESCAPED FROM THEIR GRASP"?

Those people wey try to kidnap Jesus & he escape them, he & them dey agree?

CORRECT WAYO MEN & GRAND MASTERS OF LIES .

Coded Pharisees. on NL wey dey hide their true color.

zodiakzax:



You are here calling Jesus SHE AND SISTER AND KINSWOMAN..SHAME ON YOU....

U have no proof anywhere for this fiction fabricated by your mumu brain.
zodiakzax too done dey kolo like Arapunzel.
Birds of a feather.
Confirmento !

Hairyrapunzel:

Shame did not allow you quote all the verses. You pick out a phrase as usual and discard the other phrases. Typical of jws

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.


Once again I ask where did Jesus Christ disagree?

Arapunzel , mumu virus on full throttle.
OMG, this guy done kolo .....

Everyone who views this post, in John 10:33-39, (special emphasis on vs 33 -36)did Jesus Christ disagree with his opposers ?
Pls judge for yourself.

OneJ:


"thou being a man maketh thyself God" was a false allegations labeled against Jesus.

Christ disagreed with that false allegation.

"Jesus answered them,..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son?" John 10:34-36.

The Jews NEVER understood Son of God as meaning God incarnate.

In John 17:3, Jesus gives solid proof that he is not Jehovah in the New Testament.

Is John 20:17,30,31 . Acts 3:12-15 hard for U to understand?

Hairyrapunzel:


You are the liar here o. You said the Jews never said such and I showed you the verse where the Jews said Jesus Christ was God. Now you are coming out to say Jesus Christ disagreed. Show the verse that Jesus said he isn't God or Jesus refuted their claims? I no is to start quoting different unrelated verses now. I am waiting.

why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son' ?"

So this statement sounds like disagreement to you right? Lol

OneJ:


"thou being a man maketh thyself God" was a false allegations labeled against Jesus.

Christ disagreed with that false allegation.

"Jesus answered them,..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son?" John 10:34-36.

The Jews NEVER understood Son of God as meaning God incarnate.

In John 17:3, Jesus gives solid proof that he is not Jehovah in the New Testament.

Is John 20:17,30,31 . Acts 3:12-15 hard for U to understand?

Above is the original post that U have been basing your false claims on.
CORRECT WAYO MAN.
U are well qualified to give Satan a tutorial on the art of lying.

brodalokie:


Who was His Father between God the Father and God the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 1:18 - Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise : When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with CHILD of the Holy Ghost.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I have shown U proof (https://biblehub.org/1_Timothy/3-16.htm) from the Greek manuscript that "God was manifest in the flesh" is a Fraud inserted into the Bible in 1 Tim 3:16 ( KJV).

By making references to it & justifying that FALSE insertion in 1 Tim 3:16(KJV) , "brodalokie" U seem to have chosen to close your heart to the truth.
Pls , let's discontinue this discussion..
Shalom.

Hairyrapunzel:

Shame did not even allow quote the preceding verse john 10:33. 33
We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”. So that you don't enter the Jews their mind. Lol

Why didn't you quote verse 33? You didn't because in that verse the Jews gave the reason for stoning Jesus Christ

Arapunzel IBERIBEISM & SERIAL LIAR,


"thou being a. man maketh thyself God", I quoted in my previous post, na which Bible verse be that ? , Arapunzel IBERIBEISM...

Jesus disagreed with that v33 false allegation .
MR LIE LIE, "Jesus answered them,....
why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son' ?"
John 10:34-36.

OneJ:


In the entire holy scriptures, Yahweh / Jehovah/ Yahweh was NEVER. a son to anyone whether in heaven or earth.
That son was called "Jesus ,Son of the Most High" , Yahweh ( Luke 1:30-33) granted power to rule by the Ancient of Days ,Yahweh, his Father and God ( Daniel 7:13,14. Rev 3:21. John 20:17,30,31).

2) He is called " Everlasting Father" for a reason.
Our Father, the first Adam gave us life & lost it due to sin (Rom5:12) . Jesus Christ replaced Adam and became our Everlasting Father( the last Adam, 1 cor 15:21,22,45,47) because he sacrificed his perfect life to give us everlasting life if we exercise faith in him (John 3:16. ROM 6:23).

3) Father and I (we) are one" is strictly referring to a close, intimate relationship.

i) How are U one with a prostitute ?
intimate,illicit sexual relationship.

ii) How are U one with Jesus ?
Close, intimate relationship with Jesus.

iii) How does two become one ?
1Cor6:15-17. Matt 19:5,6. Mal 2:15.
Marriage relationship, intimacy b/w man and wife.

Pls note: Jesus NEVER said " Father and I are one" God. Men twisted it that way.

"Father and I (We) are one" means intimate,united, close relationship, Two spiritual beings (Yahweh & Jesus) in agreement with each other.
Can two walk together except they agree? Amos 3:3.

cc: brodalokie

brodalokie:


Look at it this way.
The script said and she was found with the child of the Holy Spirit.
Then Jesus Himself said that God was his father. Later He said that Him and His Father are One.
When the Jews took up stones to throw at Him, He said asked them, of all the good deeds you see me do from the Father, which one are you beating me up for? They answered Him saying, for good work we stone thee not, but thou being a man and maketh thyself God. You see, they understood the meaning of what it meant to be The Son of God, it means God incarnate. But they were only helping Him get to the cross. They were fulfilling scripture. After He rose from the dead, in Revelation He was now back to His true form. He said "I am the First and the Last" read everything He was
saying, it was like God is talking
Jehovah of the Old testament is Jesus of the New testament

"thou being a man maketh thyself God" was a false allegations labeled against Jesus.

Christ disagreed with that false allegation.

"Jesus answered them,..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son?" John 10:34-36.

The Jews NEVER understood Son of God as meaning God incarnate.

In John 17:3, Jesus gives solid proof that he is not Jehovah in the New Testament.

Is John 20:17,30,31 . Acts 3:12-15 hard for U to understand?

zodiakzax:


Birds of the same feather.... ..you see how dumb you are...

Your education is useless to U & your society. Confirmed OLODO & SERIAL LIAR on Naira land.

That's partly why your sawdust brain (coupled with your feeding on gospel junk from your pastorpreneurs) can't grasp the truth that JWs have been sharing on this thread.
JWs are probably the best educated group of people on planet earth.
Jehovah & His son, Jesus Christ teaches us to benefit ourselves with everlasting life in view.

Hairyrapunzel:


Don't mind him. He thinks we gave our brain to 8 old imperfect, uninspired and fallible men called governing body to think for us.

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

zodiakzax:


Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:
Proverbs 7:4


So sister is not a woman right... .... wisdom is my sister, so Christ is my sister abi? ..stupid illiterate...

OneJ:


www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

Where two confirmed SERIAL LIARS on Nairaland with full blown MUMU VIRUS are cavorting with each other , TRUTH, OBJECTIVITY & COMMON SENSE TAKES FLIGHT.
Sawdust brained zodiakzax & IBERIBEISTIC Arapunzel always HATE and FORBID the truth.
BIrds of a feather always. flock together.
Na their way.

Hairyrapunzel:


Lol. Wisdom is a woman/girl who cries at the city gate. Cone and beat us. You want to change narrative. Where they used he you will say it's a man now where they used she you say no be woman

Your jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom.
Wisdom is a created being according to your religion. It has personality whereas holy spirit that is personified is a force. I no fit laff.

You now want to shout context. Whereas you never use context. We no be mumu or Dundee.

You assume wisdom is an abstract quality and a created being at the same time. Lol. Which one shoulders will believe?

Wisdom na human being and wisdom is also a created being. You need to hide your head in shame.

If wisdom is an abstract quality it can't be Jesus Christ.
If wisdom is a created being it must be a woman or a girl. You think people can't use their brains to thinks abi?

Mumu post.

IBERIBEISM on 'PLAY' mode.

Anti JW viral syndrome is real.

Your LIES & MUMU are legendary.

Hairyrapunzel:



Buhaha. Now she in Hebrew language doesn't equate woman /girl? Let me help you
No she is only used for man. Intact anywhere you see she in the Bible just know the person is a man/boy. Are you satisfied now?


It doesn't change the fact that wisdom is a girl who cries at the city gate and jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom. You want to change bible by all means.

Hairyrapunzel:


I actually give you a hard time because I don't fall for your gibberish. She is not woman/girl in Hebrew scriptures. Rotflol. Your are frustrated already lol.

www.colorq.org/bible/?d=Historical_Background&x=gender

"IS GOD REALLY MALE?
"....God might be a "He" in the Bible, but non Hebrew literate individuals do not always know that in Hebrew language, grammatical gender is NOT an indicator of actual gender. Hebrew nouns have grammatical gender. Each object is masculine or feminine.
There are no gender neutral pronouns in Hebrew, that is, there is no equivalent of the English "it".
Everything is a "he" or a. "she"
The Facts are obvious.
Wisdom is an abstract quality, "it " is the appropriate description in English but in the original. Hebrew Bible Proverbs ( chapters 1,3,4,7 etc ,) Wisdom is a "she",personified as a woman.
However in Prov 8:22-30, "wisdom" is revealed to be a created being..
In 31:10-31, the context speaks for itself.

CORRECT WAYO MAN.

brodalokie:


It doesn't make to say


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This is rather talking about the God coming from heaven to become a a human and go back to heaven. One person and not three.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Trinitarian talks of two or three persons.

My Bro, the truth does not hide . But it is very bitter to swallow it jejely.
Pls go and see the Greek manuscript texts of 1 tim3:16, read it to the end.
https://biblehub.com/1_Timothy/3-16
KJV,Jubilee Bibles stuck with the lie.
The truth ALWAYS STAND OUT .

OneJ:


Gruni1234 is not being honest.
Many scholars agree that in John 1:1 "the word is a god" is accurate because it is the same Greek grammatical construct with Acts 28:6, 12:22,. Other scholars hold a different opinion. That's actually what "John 1:1 Wikipedia" said , but U came to NL to twist the facts.
Intellectual dishonesty.

Let's see if the evidence supported your claims.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/ english/divine

Divine, definition
1. "Connected with a god, or like a god".

https://biblehub.com/greek/2304.htm

theios - divine
divinity, deity
( Latinnumendivinum)
not only used by the Greeks to denote the divine nature, power, providence, in the general, with out reference to any individual deity"

In other words that verse actually means that Jesus Christ has godlike qualities, attributes of a god.
John 1:1, " the word is a god, (NWT) is accurate.

Mr Gruni is a biased observer. A Trinity dogma believer.
The Sources from Biblehub.com & the scholarly dictionary.cambridge.org
confirmed the validity of the NWT rendition of John 1:1 " the Word is a god".
Mr Gruni, NWT is very accurate.
It is the gospel truth.
I will not force U to accept it.
Shalom

I'm not keen on arguments with anybody but standing with the truth is my priority.

These sources are not JWs but they confirm the gospel truth that Trinity falsehood peddling crew hate to see & hear.
Shalom

Gruni1234:


My dear OneJ, like is said, we are not here to play nor do we lack understanding. 1cor 8:6 is clear to say there's is but only One God and One Lord in Christianity. Even though some worship many gods and many lords, we worship only One God and One Lord. Please kindly accept this or let it go. I am or unwise not to understand this for myself. If you still persist in fighting this lost cause then I do not think you are fit to.even understand your own bible.

Can you kindly tell me Who the sons are in Psalms 82?

Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?
Mr Gruni , in 1 cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ? straight forward question.

brodalokie:



1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

What do you make of this?

That's a famous fake ,falsified insertion added into the holy scriptures by Trinitarians to promote their falsehood.( Pls research).

"He who was manifest " is the authentic rendition of 1 tim 3:16.
U have claimed that Trinity dogma is falsehood. How come U are speaking with both sides of your mouth?

Gruni1234:
Hi, I have been quite busy. I will make time and respond appropriately. Now, if John 1:1 is translated as "a god" that will make Christians Polytheist no doubt. We have instances where the definite article didn't preceed theos but was still rendered God (I will provide scriptures from sources later). Christians are not Polytheist because Christians have only One God and One Lord. My question is if most scholars agree that the word was divine, why didn't the NWT leave it as such? Why say "a god" when that will make Christianity Polytheist. Have a nice day.

1)
Christians are not polytheists if John 1:1 reads Jesus "the Word is a god".
It perfects & solidify the harmony of the holy scriptures.

2) U already know that various credible sources confirmed that " Divine" is synonymous with " a god, godlike" ,(just as six & half dozen),but your biase& lack of objectivity is the problem here.
I can't fathom why U are bringing this up again.

3). Mr Gruni, remove indefinite articles from Acts 12:22 ,Acts 28:6 & defend the rendition of both verses without indefinite articles.
That's what every unbiased observer (that U had claimed to be) would do.

Until U do the needful (1) above, U are running away from the truth


4). Psalms 82:6, is Yahweh wrong to call his sons "gods"?

1 Cor 8:5, who are the gods in heaven ?

5) Is the one God in 1 Cor 8:6 contradicting your "the word is God" John 1:1 ?
Shalom.

zodiakzax:


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As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and Lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:4‭-‬6 KJV


But unto US THERES BUT ONE GOD AND ONE LORD, AGAINST THEIR MANY GODS AND MANY LORDS....WE HAVE ONLY ONE GOD AND ONE LORD.. ..pagan..idol worshipper..

Where did the sovereign Lord said in heaven angels Are gods and Jesus is a god... .... what kind of sovereign Lord is He if He's not the One Lord.... ... We only have ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE LORD NOT TWO LORDS.. ...dirty pagans...liar...trying to put your words in the bible...we catch you

U dey quote 1 Cor 8:4-6 wey U done shut down your brain to reject, make the truth no sink in.

"For though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven or in earth" vs 5,

Zodiakzax , who are those called gods in heaven?

Everybody dey see your lies with korokoro eyes.

Hairyrapunzel:



Buhaha. Now she in Hebrew language doesn't equate woman /girl? Let me help you
No she is only used for man. Intact anywhere you see she in the Bible just know the person is a man/boy. Are you satisfied now?


It doesn't change the fact that wisdom is a girl who cries at the city gate and jehovah didn't have wisdom until he created wisdom. You want to change bible by all means.

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Shut up your BLASPHEMOUS mouth there..
Every person conversant with Hebrew language is aware that "she" in Hebrew is different from "she" in English language.
Your fellow Trinitarian online site , gotquestions.com and other sources confirmed the solid fact U are here kicking against.

U make yourself look FOOLISH whenever U come online to display your "IBERIBEISM".
SERIAL LIAR

brodalokie:


Compare this
Jesus the creator
John 1.10
1 Cro. 8.6
Eph 3.9
Col 1.12 to 17
Heb 1.8 to 12
Rev 4.8 to 12
Rev 10.6
Rev 14.8 to 11
Rev 10.6
Rev 14.6 to 7
Rev 21.5 to 7
Rev 22.3
Rev 7.17

God the creator
Gen 1.1
Gen 2.7
Job 33.4
Psa 33.6
Psa 104.30
Isa 40.28
Isa 44.24
Isa 45.11 to 18
Mal 2.10

Also
Jesus the first and last
Rev 1.17
Rev 22.13

God the first and last
Isa 41.14
Isa 43.10,11
Isa 44.6,8

Also
Jesus the I am that I am
John 18.5 to 8
Rev 1.17 to 18
John 8.24 to 28

God the I am that I am
Exod 3.13, 14

The Lord our God is One Lord. Mark 12.29

Mark 12:29 ,Jesus quoted Deut 6:4. "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" (The Lord no dey Hebrew manuscript, if U quoted another person, U stick to his statement in your mother tongue).
One God, the only true God, Yahweh/Jehovah (John 17:3) is not Jesus Christ.

the son , the Father and the ghost is indeed 3gods, triune Gods.

"I am " does not exist in Hebrew language. (pls research. )Exo 3:14 have no link with John 8:58, where your mind dey.
The Hebrew. "I will be what I will be" was mistranslated as. " I am" in Exo 3:14.
More later...

brodalokie:


What do you think of unto us a child is born but he is the everlasting Father and his kingdom shall be forever in Isaiah? Or I and my father are one?

In the entire holy scriptures, Yahweh / Jehovah/ Yahweh was NEVER. a son to anyone whether in heaven or earth.
That son was called "Jesus ,Son of the Most High" , Yahweh ( Luke 1:30-33) granted power to rule by the Ancient of Days ,Yahweh, his Father and God ( Daniel 7:13,14. Rev 3:21. John 20:17,30,31).

2) He is called " Everlasting Father" for a reason.
Our Father, the first Adam gave us life & lost it due to sin (Rom5:12) . Jesus Christ replaced Adam and became our Everlasting Father( the last Adam, 1 cor 15:21,22,45,47) because he sacrificed his perfect life to give us everlasting life if we exercise faith in him (John 3:16. ROM 6:23).

3) Father and I (we) are one" is strictly referring to a close, intimate relationship.

i) How are U one with a prostitute ?
intimate,illicit sexual relationship.

ii) How are U one with Jesus ?
Close, intimate relationship with Jesus.

iii) How does two become one ?
1Cor6:15-17. Matt 19:5,6. Mal 2:15.
Marriage relationship, intimacy b/w man and wife.

Pls note: Jesus NEVER said " Father and I are one" God. Men twisted it that way.

"Father and I (We) are one" means intimate,united, close relationship, Two spiritual beings (Yahweh & Jesus) in agreement with each other.
Can two walk together except they agree? Amos 3:3.

Hairyrapunzel:


So last last wisdom is a woman/girl. Your jehovah lacked wisdom till he created wisdom. Eya

Glue your BLASPHEMOUS mouth there!
Must U always LIE ?
Hairyrapunzel Stupidity on "PLAY" mode.
"She" in Hebrew language does NOT equate to a woman/ girl ,or female gender in English .

Anti JW viral syndrome done komot your sense finish . IBERIBEISM !

Hairyrapunzel:


Now the original language in the new testament is in Greek and never mentioned jehovah in it whereas nwt has jehovah written 218 times.

You go just dey lie as usual. When it same Greek word is used in front of the father you don't translate it as a god. I no fit laff.

Na WICKED MAN go dey vex say God's name dey everywhere eee suppose dey for inside Bible..

Make eee dey pain U wella
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johnw47:


duh false jw onej, i believe Jesus when He said He will reaise His body(temple)
you false jw don't believe him

i believe all the scripturesd that show Jesus is God



YAHWEH is Father and The Word john 1:1
God - Father and the Word, raised Jesus

That falsehood U believe " He reaise his body " is your man made fabrication.

Your fake "scripturesd show that Jesus is God". concocted by Pharisees like U.
Pagan worshippers of triune demonic gods.

In the holy scriptures , the authentic John 1:1 , "the Word is a god (or divine, godlike)."


"For even though there are many gods and many lords whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many gods and many lords. But there is actually to us ONE GOD, THE FATHER", YAHWEH. 1 cor 8:5,6.

In heaven, Jesus Christ is a god, One God is Yahweh ,the Most High & Only True God
(Psalms 83:18. John 17:3).

Your fake John 1:1 is a fraud manipulated by modern day Pharisees.

zodiakzax:


Where did Yahweh say angels are gods ... yes he is father and God of Jesus Christ but not Lord of Jesus Christ.. .. Jesus is the One Lord.... ..e pain you die...stupid pagans...if Yahweh calls angels gods then He's a fool to say he alone is God and before him.and after him there's God,.if he said his so is a god then Yahweh is a fraud and stupid God,....... but Yahweh cannot be stupid, that was why he said there's no God except me.... ..pagans...

BLASPHEMOUS zodiakzax !!!!!


" For even though there are THOSE WHO ARE CALLED gods WHETHER IN HEAVEN or on earth just as there are many gods and many lords" 1 cor 8:5.
In heaven , Jesus Christ is a god, angels are gods, says the SOVEREIGN LORD, YAHWEH.

CONFIRMENTO .

Like U said " Yahweh can not be stupid".
zodiakzax rejection of God's word, false doctrines, arrogance , and obvious stupidity is CONFIRMENTO !!

zodiakzax:


..and I thought Solomon was uninspired... .. yet you quote from proverbs... ..stupid silly pagans... you reject the Words of Solomon, you called Him uninspired, you said his words are wrong, because you know better.... if that's true why do you use his words then,? ...stupid demons..

"Praise be to the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ", Yahweh. " Eph 1:3.
The solid proof against Trinity knock your false doctrine bad bad....

Now U cover up with your lie.

LIAR.
Where did I reject the words of Solomon or according to U, say "Solomon was uninspired"?
Give proof, or retract your false allegations.