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vaxx:
So some christain too are also of the opinion that birthday.should not be celebrate. I thought it is only peculiar to some muslim only. Na wah ooolll

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Pls do research on the origin of birthdays celebration & understand what it really is...

brocab:
OneJ you do realise that The progressive use of God's name in the Bible: Are?
El Shaddai was God's prime name to the Patriarchs.
YHWH was God's prime name to the Jews: "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am YHWH; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty [El Shaddai], but by My name, YHWH, I did not make Myself known to them." {Exodus 6:2-3}
Jesus is God's prime name for Christians: "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." {Acts 4:12}

El shaddai is not the name of Yahweh/ Jehovah ,God Almighty.

U already know that Yahweh is the God of Jesus Christ & his disciples John 20:17. Yahweh ,the Almighty God is Supreme. Psalms 83:18.

Jesus name "was given to men by which we must get saved" ( Acts 4:12) "for God (Yahweh) so loved the world that HE gave His begotten Son" John 3:16.
Jesus is not God's prime name for Christians. Again, let Jesus speak:

"I have made your name known to those whom you gave me out of the world. Now they that EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GIVEN ME COMES FROM YOU. I HAVE MADE YOUR NAME KNOWN TO THEM...." John 17:6,7,26.

Jesus himself contradicts U.
He confirmed he made Yahweh's name known to the disciples.
Pls dump your Trinity doctrine for dustbin.
Let the truth set U free. John 8:32

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alBHAGDADI:
1.) Where is it written that early Christians considered birthday to be evil? You think you can just make spurious claims and get away with it. As a matter of fact, it is not what the early Christians believed that matters but what the Bible teaches. Some early Christians we're heretics. Are you now saying we are to follow their every move because they were early Christians? You want us to ignore the Bible and follow their doctrines of men which they are passing off as commandment of God.

Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

You quoted a link which says birthdays started with Egypt. How are you so sure that the blogger who wrote that article didn't base his findings on what the Bible accounted of Pharaoh? Did he exist in those days?

I ask, where did Christians condemn birthdays as evil and with what Bible verse did they back their claims?

2.) God commanded the use of gold and ornament for worship in his temple doesn't equate to Him commanding the use of wedding rings. Wedding rings were worn by Pagans from which the culture was borrowed, but Jehovah's Witnesses aren't complaining cos they wear it too. How come they are now offended by birthday party borrowed from the same Pagans? Is it everything pagans do that is sinful? Most food we eat we learnt to prepare them from the pagans.

3.) Make yourself clear


Quote bible verses against Birthdays or shit up. If you can't, then it means you are teaching the doctrines of men as the commandment of God.

1) The info as to the origin of birthdays celebration is in the public domain.
U are just grasping at straws ,very mumuish attitude.
U no dey shame U dey quote Matt15:9. Lol. U are very dishonest & shamelessly so.
Your fellow birthday peddler dey tell U say birthdays na pagan custom, ,yet your arrogance & lie lie dey show face.

U dey follow the doctrine & command of men who fixed a date for Christ's birthday( "in the hopes of recruiting those already celebrating the Roman holiday of saturnalia" to endorse your own. Matt 15:9 nab U for hand & leg.

2) "It is not what early Christians believed that matters but what the Bible teaches... Some early Christians were heretics.".
Yet, your Bible no teach U say birthday is Christian practice.
U no go fit mention ONLY one scripture where your Bible speak well of birthdays. Or give example of a man of faith or any first century Christian who celebrated it.

3). Only half baked Christians look for concise, clear cut injunctions on every matter.
The Christ like principle is shun birthdays. Christ did, his followers did. Men of faith did. The Scriptural principles already well established for Christians speak against birthday celebrations (Genesis 40:20. Matt14:1-12. Galatians 4:8-11. 2 Cor 6:14-18.
(BTW,John was beheaded simply for speaking the truth, not because of Herod's birthday).

4) Yahweh never condemned the use of ornaments. Your submission lacks substance.

alBHAGDADI:
1.) Nowhere is it recorded that Christians celebrated birthdays, neither is it recorded that they didn't. We are not to speak where the Bible remains silent. If you choose to dislike and never celebrate birthdays, that's fine by me. Just don't criticize me for holding such days in high esteem.

Romans 14:5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day
alike . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is the same as adding a verse to the Bible which it never contains. Did early Christians use microphones, TV? No. Then why are you using them today?

2.) Just because some evil men like Pharaoh and Herod did horrible things on their birthday doesn't mean birthdays have now become an evil practice. There are so many things which we have copied from the heathens. Not everything about them is bad or evil. When we see a good thing, we copy it because we are all humans and there is no Bible verse against such practice. Do Jehovah's Witnesses wear wedding rings? Yes they do. Don't they know that it was copied from Pagans? Which pre-christian men of faith or early Christian can you say wore wedding rings? Yet Jehovah's Witnesses are not complaining but go about wearing one. Isn't that hypocrisy?

3. So I have to totally live my life like Abel, John the Baptist and other early Christians without even forging a bit of my own path? If so, how come you are not a shepherd like Abel or eating locust and wild honey while you live in the wilderness like John the Baptist?

Like I said, just because no godly man was recorded to have celebrated his birthday doesn't mean it is bad. The birthday of Jesus Christ was celebrated by angels who rejoiced in the sky when they appeared before some shepherds. That's why we celebrate Christmas today which has become a period of joy when people hear about Jesus.

Imagine a woman who was barren for 40 years now giving birth to a boy. You expect her not to celebrate each time it's the boy's birthday? You expect her not to celebrate the boy's birthday which is also her day of joy worth remembering, simply because Jehovah's Witnesses said so and not the Bible?

If you don't want to celebrate birthdays, fine. But don't go about criticizing those that do, because you have no Bible verse against such.

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1) LIAR.
The Bible's account of birthdays celebration was confirmed by secular history to be SOLID FACT.

"Due to its belief .... and THE FACT THAT early BIRTHDAYS WERE TIED TO PAGAN gods, the Christian Church considered birthday celebration evil for the first few hundred years of it's existence"

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4227366
("Why you get to celebrate your birthday...." by Todd Van Luling).

U can't twist historical fact to suit your whim.
Actually, U are the one adding to the scriptures because what the men of faith &first century Christians rightly condemned & forbade as evil , U now polish it and claimed it is good with endorsement.
Isaiah 5:20,21.

2) Yahweh commanded the use of ornaments (gold, copper, silver etc) for true worship in His holy temple . Exodus chapters 25 & 37.
(Mumu sense done claim Yahweh "copied it from pagans".). Na. hypocrisy to carry for head wetin Christ no approve for U wey dey form Christian.

3) The Christ like way of life (which shuns birthdays celebration) no do U? So ,U need to copy pagan customs to validate your life ? Issoryt!!!!!! Yimu.

4) The angels informed the Shepherds that Christ was born in Bethlehem (Luke 2:8-13).but never celebrated Jesus birthday.
(Birthday celebrations is the annual festivities to mark the anniversary of the day on which a person was born).
Angels never celebrated Jesus birthday. No dull yourself.
It's always a thing of joy & happiness when a child is born.
The gospel truth is, the annual celebration of birthdays was never a Christian practice but embedded with paganism..

alBHAGDADI:
This one has been deceived by Jehovah's Witnesses. I was deceived too.

So, because some men in the Bible did horrible things on the day they were celebrating their birthday, I shouldn't celebrate my own birthday?

Which scripture teaches against Birthdays or are you people speaking when the Bible didn't speak?

Herod who killed John the Baptist wore clothes. Why are you still wearing clothes today?

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1) Give him scriptural proof that birthday celebration was practiced by pre- Christian men of faith or first century Christians. Did your Bible say birthday celebration was practiced by Christians ?
Your noise making takes U nowhere....

2) The real issue at stake is : Was birthday celebration a practice of pre-christian men of faith/ first Christian practice ?

3) Starting from Abel to John the Baptizer, then from Christ to the end of the first century CE, did all these men of faith forget to celebrate their birthdays by coincidence?

4) What fellowship does light have with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14-18.
Matter wey your Bible no give U even one Christian example to follow, but pagan example dey, na the way wey pagans they do their worship U go copy ?

alBHAGDADI:
This one has been deceived by Jehovah's Witnesses. I was deceived too.

So, because some men in the Bible did horrible things on the day they were celebrating their birthday, I shouldn't celebrate my own birthday?

Which scripture teaches against Birthdays or are you people speaking when the Bible didn't speak?

Herod who killed John the Baptist wore clothes. Why are you still wearing clothes today?

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Give him scriptural proof that birthday celebration was practiced by pre- Christian men of faith or first century Christians.
Else, noise making takes U nowhere....

The real issue at stake is : Was birthday celebration a practice of pre-christian men of faith/ first Christian practice ?

Starting from Abel to John the Baptizer, then from Christ to the end of the first century CE, did all these men of faith coincidentally forgot to celebrate their birthdays ?

OneJ:
Mr Man, once again U resort to your blatant lies, name calling & insults. Na your way.
The facts and evidences here consistently shows that U deny the Christ to be the Son of the Living God,Jehovah (Yahweh).

Jesus the "only begotten god" and son of God"(John 1:18. John20:30,31) has a Father and his God, (John20:17), is the ONLY TRUE GOD. John17:3. Isaiah 40:25.
Indeed the Living God ,Yahweh (Jehovah) Jeremiah10:10. Matt 16:13-17). is the God of Jesus Christ.
Scriptural Fact & Gospel truth.

The million dollar question that keeps hanging over your mumu false Trinity doctrine like the sword of Damocles is:

Mr Man, who is Yahweh's God? (Make U answer am. No lie, no twist am.)

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brocab:
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everything you have come up with, so far, doesn't quite make sense. the Jews did not dare to call God Jehovah, nor do I call God a false name..I have always addressed God "as the Father, Our Father who is in Heaven 'hallowed be thru name, your kingdom come.Thomas addresses Christ My Lord and my God..

OneJ:
Mr Man, once again U resort to your blatant lies, name calling & insults. Na your way.
The facts and evidences here consistently shows that U deny the Christ to be the Son of the Living God,Jehovah (Yahweh).

Jesus the "only begotten god" and son of God"(John 1:18. John20:30,31) has a Father and his God, (John20:17), is the ONLY TRUE GOD. John17:3. Isaiah 40:25.
Indeed the Living God ,Yahweh (Jehovah) Jeremiah10:10. Matt 16:13-17). is the God of Jesus Christ.
Scriptural Fact & Gospel truth.

The million dollar question that keeps hanging over your mumu false Trinity doctrine like the sword of Damocles is:

Mr Man, who is Yahweh's God? (Make U answer am. No lie, no twist am.)

[/quote]The question U have been dodging "Who is Yahweh's God? " will always haunt your false doctrine.

1) The scriptural Fact and Gospel truth above that U saw & read in your Bible will not make sense to a peddler of the false doctrine of Trinity .


2) U get name yet U dey pray to the Father wey no get name... Nameless god ( Your own sense pass the sense of your god. How foolish ! ) Lol.

3) The Jews knew the name of Almighty God YHWH , (pronounced Jehovah/ Yahweh ) and used it in worship for aeons until they (Jews) later derailed.

Na the bad thing wey Jews dey do U go dey copy?

4) "Jesus said... I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" John 20:17. John 17:3
Jesus & his disciples worshipped the same Father & the same God Almighty Yahweh.
Jesus is definitely not Almighty God,Yahweh.
Mr Man, why your heart they oppose this Gospel truth ?

Geoffreymgk:
To anyone reading this Now.
Here is an Advice i was baptised Into this Church at age Thirteen. I became More serious studious And Active afyer High school. It helped me in Certain ways cos i thought it was A Very good thing the Religion and teachings as a whole. But I ADVICE YOU TODAY TO LEAVE THAT CHURCH!! I WAS NEVER DISFELLOWSHIPPED or reproved. I never had any major fight with anyone there even though there were several reasons to.
The selling point of JWs is that it offers hope and Answers,and a Community that is far better than that available amongst any persons in the World. Citing John 13:35. As an Identfier.
Even these two things are debatable or even wrong.
Now that i have Left i can Say that 50% of JWs are just like other People anywhere no love or affection. Some are outrightly bad even the Few that feel they are serving God are so Self righteous and Judgmental not their fault though. A lot of JWs are Very depressed cos of situations of Some family members leaving or other JW problems that come from the Religion's dynamics while many are misinformed especially the not educated or exposed ones. I can even say that quite a No don't fully believe in the GB per say.
I practiced this Religion in three different countries.
I advise you Do research Most of what i grew up believing have Changed and i remember those dictrines causing problems back in those days among cong members and within families Lol. Eg types and Anti types, use of blood, Goat and Sheeps Generation, use of Internet (lol see today)


These is Just a Bunch if men- GB- who feel their way is Correct or how they interpret the Bible is Correct.
I have met others like myself b4 i left and after I left and we all agree on many of the same things.
I still saw a Video Of A Researcher at world headquarters who Just left.
I remember back in those days and i feel bad but not too bad. Life in Nigeria is especially tough putting in the JW life on a Person here can have bad Consequences on Some Persons and Families.
Read up on Franz who never did anything wrong but left willingly. Be free from this GRand Delusion! Called the Jehovah's Witnesses.


Sorry for the Shabby writing i just put it down Spontaneously.

Apostate spotted.
Num 16:1-3,20-26.

brocab:
Firstly I need to know, who is your God? 'Yahweh is not Jehovah...
Secondly everything I have written in Word 'you have denied it with a passion, I only answered to your page, because you needed to know, your own bible, because you want the argument-but you are walking in blind at the same time, The Watchtower believes "With Us is God.
I am not interested even trying to have some what a conversation with you, it's difficult trying to talk to someone who denies Christ-I don't believe you even know your bible? Your questions are silly-and nothing you have written is complete, and your the information comes directly out of a watchtower magazine?
If you could prove you have some what about Jesus, I will be happy to sit down and talk-but you have not His Spirit to do such.
Everybody knows, the Word of God is more then just a book-it's Spiritual-to understand it properly we need the Spirit to teach us, you don't have the Spirit, its always the same old story-you believe you have all the answers, because you think you can work it out from your own mind, well it's impossible to even try to think above God-your denial shows positive, it is obvious why you can't accept the truth in Christ..
The word of the Watchtower is a never ending quicksand-once someone is trapped, the only way out is Christ...

Mr Man, once again U resort to your blatant lies, name calling & insults. Na your way.
The facts and evidences here consistently shows that U deny the Christ to be the Son of the Living God,Jehovah (Yahweh).

Jesus the "only begotten god" and son of God"(John 1:18. John20:30,31) has a Father and his God, (John20:17), is the ONLY TRUE GOD. John17:3. Isaiah 40:25.
Indeed the Living God ,Yahweh (Jehovah) Jeremiah10:10. Matt 16:13-17). is the God of Jesus Christ.
Scriptural Fact & Gospel truth.

The million dollar question that keeps hanging over your mumu false Trinity doctrine like the sword of Damocles is:

Mr Man, who is Yahweh's God? (Make U answer am. No lie, no twist am.)

jesusjnr:
Today you see the period of the so called celebration of Jesus birthday by most of the church such as it is this nation being associated with surges in crimes thefts and immorality etc. that even though it is said to be the celebration of the birth of Jesus it is being observed as the most dangerous period of the year, speaking of the ember months.

Not that Jesus had anything to do with it, even though it is said be done because of him, for it wasn't on his instruction. And knowing the kind of person that he was I'm pretty certain that he would not have been part of the observation if he were here present.

There are certainly some benefits it brings to his cause as it keeps his name in the public consciousness, as it could lead to people coming to know him towards their getting saved. However overall it appears to be doing more harm than good, as despite that it's said to be Jesus birthday, those who are not Jesus tend observe it as it were their own birthday celebrations that makes it to become the moment where covetousness amongst other vices are at its highest in every single calendar year.

And I don't think that this is unassociated with the spirit of pride that comes with birthday celebrations. I am well aware that this is a very lonely place to be in and that i would hardly have anyone on board with me on this issue, even with respect to the church as the celebration of even the church leaders are usually observed as a high occasion.

And I'm not saying that it is a bad thing in itself, but that those who claim to love God should ask themselves the question if the celebration of their birthdays is really done for God and in thanksgiving to him as they claim it to be and not for self? If not then they should be weary of such. For Satan fell because of pride, man fell because of pride, that's why there are certain extent of things that God would not be able to entrust you with and also a certain level of walk with God that you would never be able to attain, except you do away with the things of pride and self.

Hence Jesus said:

"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me." Matt 16:24.(KJV).

Therefore unless you do that, regardless of who you are, whether you have the biggest church building on earth or command the most following, you will never be able to walk at the level that Jesus did.

Galatians 4:8-11 . 2 Cor 6:14-18.

HungerMustGo:
That woman has been struggling with the worst of psychological and emotional problems for a very long time.

Attempted suicide a couple of times

The "Nothing compares 2 U" crooner whose music video touched many hearts with her unscripted tears.

She's still dealing with those issues & searching to find what she's really looking for.
Everyone's life journey can never tow the same path.
For some people, it's been rougher than U could ever imagine.
The twin perils of trauma &depression no be joke at all ,at all.
Snead needs all the support she can get... God help her..

brocab:
There is still life at the end of the tunnel?
It doesn't matter what verses I bring forward-they are already written-If this confuses you, study the Word of God-it doesn't change, it stays the same..
Thomas cried out, “My Lord and my God!” {John 20:28}
Obviously he witnessed something you and I could only dream off. Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
So this is where the bible fills in the grasps, we believe by Word-we believe because we have chosen to believe Christ exist in Word and in truth. "Christ is written on our hearts-He is as much spiritual then He is natural. With Us is God"
It is also important to recognize "Jesus is man, we do not simply mean that he is partially man. We mean that he is fully human, everything that belongs to the essence of true humanity is true of him. He is just as truly human as the rest of us.
The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that he has a human body {Luke 24:39} a human mind {Luke 2:52} and a human soul {Matthew 26:38}
Jesus is just as fully human as the rest of us, for just as He has all of the essential elements of the Godhead, He has all the essential elements of human nature: a human body, a human soul, a human mind, a human will, and human emotions.
His human mind was not replaced by His divine mind. Rather, He has both a human and divine mind. Jesus Will Be Fully God and Fully Man Forever, "For most people it is obvious that Jesus will be God forever. But for some reason it escapes a lot of us that Jesus will also be man forever.
He is still man right now as you read this and will be forever. The Bible is clear that Jesus rose physically from the dead in the same body that had died {Luke 24:39} and then ascended into heaven as a man in His physical body {Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50–51} It would make no sense for Him to have done this if He was simply going to ditch His body and stop being man when He arrived in heaven.
{John 1:18} The book of Hebrews gives us God the Father’s direct testimony about Christ: “But of the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever" and the gospel of John calls Jesus “the only begotten God”.
That Christ continued being man with a physical body after his ascension is confirmed by the fact that when He returns, it will be as a man in His body. He will return physically.
{Philippians 3:21} says that at his second coming, Christ “will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of his glory.” This verse is clear that Jesus still has His body. It is a glorified body, which Paul calls, “the body of His glory.”
And when Christ returns, he will still have it because this verse says that he will transform our bodies to be like His.
Both Jesus and all Christians will then continue living together in their bodies forever, because the resurrection body cannot die {1 Corinthians 15:42} since it is eternal {2 Corinthians 5:1}

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All these your long epistle is built on quicksand.

Pls stop twisting Hebrews 1:8. That verse says God's throne is for Christ to rule as king.
"Solomon sat on the throne of Yahweh as king in place of David his father" 1 Chro 29:23.
"The Lord God ( Yahweh) will give him (Jesus) the throne of David his Father.... his kingdom will never end" Luke 1:31-33.
The throne of David is actually the throne of Yahweh ("the Ancient of Days) which was given to Jesus Christ ,the promised Messiah, ("the son of Man" to rule as king of God's kingdom forever. Dan 7:13,14:
No dull yourself.

Thomas called Jesus "my Lord & my God". Did Jesus ever said he is Almighty God, Yahweh?
Let Jesus speak for himself.

"I am returning to my Father & your Father, to my God and your God" John 20:17.
"...These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30,31.

U dey see am ? Odo ghi n'anya ?
Thomas regarded Christ as his lord & God . Christ "the only begotten god" (John 1:18) confessed that our heavenly Father ( Yahweh) is also his own Father and our God,Yahweh, is his God.
Indeed ,Jesus called Yahweh "the only true God and the Living God (John 17:3. Jer 10:10).

Mr Man, who is Yahweh's God ? (Make U Answer am. No lie ,no twist am.)

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All these your long epistle is built on quicksand.

Pls stop twisting Hebrews 1:8. That verse says God's throne is for Christ to rule as king.
"Solomon sat on the throne of Yahweh as king in place of David his father" 1 Chro 29:23.
"The Lord God ( Yahweh) will give him (Jesus) the throne of David his Father.... his kingdom will never end" Luke 1:31-33.
The throne of David is actually the throne of Yahweh ("the Ancient of Days) which was given to Jesus Christ ,the promised Messiah, ("the son of Man" to rule as king of God's kingdom forever. Dan 7:13,14
No dull yourself.

Thomas called Jesus "my Lord & my God". Did Jesus ever said he is Almighty God, Yahweh?
Let Jesus speak for himself.

"I am returning to my Father & your Father, to my God and your God" John 20:17.
"...These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30,31.

U dey see am ? Odo ghi n'anya ?
Thomas regarded Christ as his lord & God . Christ "the only begotten god" (John 1:18) confessed that our heavenly Father ( Yahweh) is also his own Father and our God,Yahweh, is his God.
Indeed ,Jesus called Yahweh "the only true God and the Living God (John 17:3. Jer 10:10).

Mr Man, who is Yahweh's God ? (Make U Answer am. No lie ,no twist am.)

Primesky:
> Can you answer the question directly please,stop dodging it. if Jesus speaks what God speaks exactly, why do you people pick and chose His words?. He warned you about hell and you say God didn't say that in the beginning. so what is your point?.

> What is communion?. Go and read i Corinthians 10:16. now you want to pick holes on the name, as if you don't know what i am talking about. Call it last supper or call it Holy communion, it is one and the same thing. Did Jesus ask us to do it or not? Read 22:19 and tell me why you people don't do it, since you said Jesus said, He speaks what the Father commands Him.

>This denial is legendary. it's either you are deliberately lying or you're ignorant of the religion you profess and defend. please do more research.

> Again, I ask you to answer question 4. there is absolutely no ambiguity in it. Does Spirit which you call 'active force', reason, talk and express emotion?. Stop dodging it.

>Big lie!. Why do you make the word of God a lie?. All can see that the Jesus you people profess is not the same Jesus the Bible talked about.


Please read this passage.

Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Was Jesus telling a lie or is Watch Tower deceiving people?.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.



Can you please stop these lies when the bible is very clear on these matters.

1) Jehovah never sentenced Adam to eternal torture as punishment Gen 3:19. the same precedent he set with destruction of the flood of Noah's day, Sodom& Gomorrah. Jude 1:5-7. How many years was Sodom & Gomorrah in eternal fire? Hellfire does not exist. Believe what U wish.

2) Luke 22:19, u already know that JWs commemorate the Lord's memorial (the Lord's Evening Meal) annually. Christ never did it weekly.

3) Visit jw.org & read up what JWs believe about the subject matter of 1914. No come here dey lie...

4) Don't confuse yourself. The word "spirit" in James 2:26, Eccl 3:21, 12:7 is not the same as holy spirit.
Each day,we hear on radio, "the newspaper reported.." the newspaper said.."
Does it in any way suggest that the newspaper is a person?
How many spirits were poured out to 120 disciples at Pentecost?

5) Luke 24:13-37, study& digest it) that's were the real coco dey, hanging on to vs 38,39 shows a poor &shallow understanding of the truth. The disciples knew Christ very well. Yet found it hard to recognize him after he resurrected..., why ? Luke 24:13-37 tells U something vital u have missed.
Or U should explain 1 Cor 15:42-47.

brocab:
Come out from among them "said the Lord-turn from your evil ways-and come follow Me. "Now how hard is that-for you to turn away from the Watchtower and come follow Christ..
Shame on you, what will your JW comrades think of your above interpretation, another twisted belief, from OneJ.
Denying the fact's wont save you,, opp's if you haven't read the NWT bible, let's start from the top and read it again?
{Matthew 1:23}“Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will name him Im·manʹu·el,”which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.”
Do you understand it now? Yes that's right, the Watchtower said: With Us is God-meaning God became Man in Jesus!

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U label what the Bible says as " the watchtower", so that U would deny it..... Lols

Immanuel meaning "God is with us" ,according to your lies, translates to God became man" therefore, Elijah (meaning My God is Yahweh) is solid proof Elijah is the Almighty God.
Jehu (meaning Yahweh is He) be say Jehu is indeed, Yahweh confirmed !

https://www.abarim-publications.com/meaning/Elijah.html


https://abarim-publications.com/meaning/ jehu.html

Mr Twister wey no get shame dey lie for public forum.
"With us is God" CAN NOT mean "God became Man in Jesus"
God is with ,Moses,Joshua (Josh1:5,9. ; God is with Israel (Deut20:1) God is with Mary too(,Luke1:28) etc,
These men& women of faith did not become Yahweh, neither did Christ Jesus.

"The angel said to her (Mary): you will be with child and give birth to a son... son of the Most High... the Son of God" Luke 1:31-35.

Why U dey lie against the angel of God?
vs32, According to this fellow should change to :
" The Lord God (Yahweh) will give God the throne of David his Father"

For your mind, Mary gave birth to God. Hhmmm!!!!!
What a blasphemy !! na wa oooo. !!!!!!

brocab:
{Philippians 2:5-8} Amplified Bible (AMP)
5 Have this same attitude in yourselves which was in Christ Jesus [look to Him as your example in selfless humility],
6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];
7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].
8 After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross.
{Philippians 2:5-8} NWT
5 Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.
8 More than that, when he came as a man,* he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.*

"Although he existed in the form of God.."
What is form (shape) of God? Spiritual body. Full stop.
Christ lived with Yahweh in heaven with a spiritual body., just like Yahweh his Father. 1 Cor 15:44.

"He did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" ( because Christ is not equal with Yahweh, his Father. He no go fit grab wetin no be him own.. Christ no be thief.)

"The Father is greater than I" John 14:28.
"My Father .....is greater than all" John 10:29

(Jesus contradicts the corrupted Interpretation in the Amplified Bible which states: "as if he did not already possess it".

Don't come here with John 10:30 because U can't twist Mal 2:15 "Has not the Lord made them ONE?"
Matt 19:5,6" A man ... . will be UNITED to his wife.... So they are no longer two, BUT ONE" as God & Christ are UNITED.
"We are one" means UNITED
. Receive sense

That Christ possessed "divine attributes" of God can not be twisted anyhow.
Phil 2:5-9 does not in any way support the lie U peddle.

OneJ:
Who are U to adjudge what is acceptable to the Watchtower or not? U dey twist & misinterprete the Bible, yet dey claim wetin U no sabi.

Person wey reject the statements of Jesus himself & dey give him own contradictory interpretation, na Christian be that ?

Your last sentence above, is a crooked attempt to dodge the truth.
ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN ME IN HEAVEN and on earth". Matt 28:18.

Who gave Jesus authority in heaven & earth? Who gave authority to Jehovah ? Pls respond.
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i) "OneJ is arguing against his own Bible... someone in the Watchtower made a big mistake"
U will always throw shade. Na your way.

Mr Man, is it the Watchtower that wrote the scriptures (1John5:5,20, John 17:3. 3:35. 5:43. Ps83:18?)


ii) "Jesus is coming in the name of his Father and with His power (John 5:43).
" (Yahweh) has given him authority and granted him power to execute judgement"
John 5:26,27.

Yahweh gave Jesus authority in heaven & earth,( to bear titles like Alpha & Omega etc) but Christ is still under Yahweh, the Supreme Head. 1 Cor11:3, 15:24,27.

Yahweh beget Jesus. No twist am with lies.

iii) In Matt 1:23, Mr Man, did the virgin give birth to God or gave birth to a son ? Isa 7:14.
Luke 1:32-37.
"With us is God" refers to Christ's supernatural birth as a " holy child" whom Yahweh will give "the throne of his father,David" 2 Sam7:13-16. Dan 7:13,14.

David sat on God's throne as king of Israel.

Let us apply the prophecy of Isa7:14, & its fulfilment ,Matt 1:23, to U:
"Your wife will conceive and give birth to a son and you shall call him "Osadebamen" meaning "God is with me"

Your newborn child is the God with U. Yes or no ?

brocab:
Some Mothers have them?

Nairalanders, make una tell this fellow to answer the questions above posed to him...

Una done see say the guy just dey they throw shade & insults because him package of junk (Trinity) can not stand the tests of biblical scrutiny.

Primesky:
OneJ, the question I have been begging you and Peacefullove to answer are these, I have added and modified it.

1. Does Jesus speak divergently from God?. That is does Jesus speak contrary to what God will have said?.

2. Jesus commanded us to observe the Holy communion. But Jehovah witnesses dispise it. Why?.

3. Watch Tower said Jesus came back to earth in the spirit in 1914, contrary to what Jesus Christ said about the matter. So when Jesus came in 1914 according to you people, where did he enter and where is he now?.

4. You people said that spirit and soul as rational entities do not exist, and that spirit is just an active force. Now, can a mere active force be rational, be emotional, speak and also be referred to as 'He'.

5. It's true that Jesus died and rose again. But when He rose again, in what state did He rise, bodily or spiritually?.

6. Who is Jesus Christ?. Is He angel Micheal or not?.

7. By what means and are we saved?. Grace or works?.

Please note that your answer to these questions will form the basis of all our future discussions. Please be civil. Thanks.

Cc: OneJ, Peacefullove, TATIME

1) "Jesus answered: my teaching is not my own. It comes from him (Jehovah) who sent me" John 7:16

2) What is holy communion? Explain, pls

3)Jehovah's witnesses NEVER said "Jesus came back to earth in the spirit in 1914".

4) Misleading question with frivolous, unfounded allegations. Reframe it,pls.

5)Jesus the last (or 2nd )Adam died in the flesh (physical body) but rose again with a spiritual body . 1 Cor 15:42-47.
Recess.. be back later)

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brocab:
You are deafeningly barking up the wrong tree, even the Watchtower don't agree with you, you must be feeling alone at the moment.. Don't worry, you will try and turn the NWT bible against itself 'once again..

So you may not believe it, but the JW's have their own point of view about the scriptures below, because it seems the JW's believe immanuel is God in the flesh!
{Matthew 1:23} NKJV "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us".
{Matthew 1:23} NWT “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will name him Im·manʹu·el,”which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.”
So it's not stupid after all, God is always in authority in Heaven and on Earth "Eternity..

Who are U to adjudge what is acceptable to the Watchtower or not? U dey twist & misinterprete the Bible, yet dey claim wetin U no sabi.

Person wey reject the statements of Jesus himself & dey give him own contradictory interpretation, na Christian be that ?

Your last sentence above, is a crooked attempt to dodge the truth.
ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN ME IN HEAVEN and on earth". Matt 28:18.

Who gave Jesus authority in heaven & earth? Who gave authority to Jehovah ? Pls respond.
"
i) "OneJ is arguing against his own Bible... someone in the Watchtower made a big mistake"
U will always throw shade. Na your way.

Mr Man, is it the Watchtower that wrote the scriptures (1John5:5,20, John 17:3. 3:35. 5:43. Ps83:18?)


ii) "Jesus is coming in the name of his Father and with His power (John 5:43).
" (Yahweh) has given him authority and granted him power to execute judgement"
John 5:26,27.

Yahweh gave Jesus authority in heaven & earth,( to bear titles like Alpha & Omega etc) but Christ is still under Yahweh, the Supreme Head. 1 Cor11:3, 15:24,27.

Yahweh beget Jesus. No twist am with lies.

iii) In Matt 1:23, Mr Man, did the virgin give birth to God or gave birth to a son ? Isa 7:14.
Luke 1:32-37.
"With us is God" refers to Christ's supernatural birth as a " holy child" whom Yahweh will give "the throne of his father,David" 2 Sam7:13-16. Dan 7:13,14.

David sat on God's throne as king of Israel.

Let us apply the prophecy of Isa7:14, & its fulfilment ,Matt 1:23, to U:
"Your wife will conceive and give birth to a son and you shall call him "Osadebamen" meaning "God is with me"

Your newborn child is the God with U. Yes or no ?

OneJ:
The problem is U always read the Bible with a mindset to cherry pick specific verses that U can twist/misinterprete to justify what U want to believe, even when other Bible verses contradict your belief.
The holy scripture is harmonious from Genesis to Revelation
Your heart wont see the truth even if Jesus read it to U from the Bible.. Or Prove me wrong
Let's start.
1) "In word JWs agree that Jesus is God coming back..." FALSE.. U lied.

2) Is 1John 5:20 saying that Jesus is God?
v5 "Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the son of God"
v20" But We know that the son of God has come that.... we may gain the knowledge of the true one...."
Let Jesus speak: " Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" John 17:3, corresponds to 1 John 5:20. Jesus did not call himself. "the only true God"
Jehovah (Yahweh) is the only true God. Ps83:18.
Make U no dey lie against Jesus.

Does Rev 1:8. 22:20 mean that Jesus himself is Jehovah?
Brief recess. I will be back)

Let Jesus speak for himself.
"The Father (Yahweh ) loves the son and has placed (given) EVERYTHING IN HIS HANDS" John 3:35.

"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME in heaven and on earth" Matt 28:18.

"I am come in my Father's name" John 5:43 (KJV).

"I have come in my Father's authority "John 5:43 (GoodNews Translation)

https:www.merriam-webster.com
In someone's name ,definition.

"used to say something is done with the authority of a specified person "

"God (Yahweh) made Jesus both lord and Christ" Acts 2:36.

Any name /title that Jesus bears whether in heaven or on earth, Jesus himself has confirmed that it is by Yahweh's expressed permission.
Jesus is not YAHWEH, therefore, he testified that Yahweh gave him EVERY THING...

To suggest or imply that God Almighty was granted power & authority in heaven is very absurd & stupid.

Anybody who believes that rooster & bull trash must be high on something....

brocab:
When we need something from God we go straight to our bibles to receive our knowledge.
That's what normally happens.
It happens more with those who actually believe the Word of God is all truth, and nothing but the truth.
When I search the scriptures, I like to see-how the scriptures are written even if it means, I read from different bibles. So before you come at anybody with your disbelief's, check your bible first..
In word the JW's agree that Jesus is God coming back-but verbally they disagree? Obviously the Watchtower made a terrible mistake-because the Watchtower scholars had agreed 'and of course they believed, God became man in the flesh?
NWT bible {Revelation 1:8, Revelation 22:20} I am the Alpha and the Omega Says Jehovah" God' the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty"..and then in Verse 22-20 The one bears witness of these things say's, "Yes. I am coming quickly."'
"Amen! Come, Lord Jesus...
NWT bible {1 John 5:20} But we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given us insight" so that we may gain the knowledge of the One who is true. And we are in union with the One who is true, by means of His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting!

The problem is U always read the Bible with a mindset to cherry pick specific verses that U can twist/misinterprete to justify what U want to believe, even when other Bible verses contradict your belief.
The holy scripture is harmonious from Genesis to Revelation
Your heart wont see the truth even if Jesus read it to U from the Bible.. Or Prove me wrong
Let's start.
1) "In word JWs agree that Jesus is God coming back..." FALSE.. U lied.

2) Is 1John 5:20 saying that Jesus is God?
v5 "Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the son of God"
v20" But We know that the son of God has come that.... we may gain the knowledge of the true one...."
Let Jesus speak: " Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" John 17:3, corresponds to 1 John 5:20. Jesus did not call himself. "the only true God"
Jehovah (Yahweh) is the only true God. Ps83:18.
Make U no dey lie against Jesus.

Does Rev 1:8. 22:20 mean that Jesus himself is Jehovah?
Brief recess. I will be back)

PastorAIO:
Since you were one of the two persons that I had the disagreement with, the other being OneJ, are you about to declare that your position in that disagreement is Not the accepted position of the JW anisation?

If you were not representing the JW position then I might accept that I made a generalisation about JW, BUT if you were accurately representing the JW lies then any rebuttal of your lies is also a rebuttal of the lies of the JW Organisation.

For those who don't know the 'disagreement' stems from this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/3753404/hebrew-monotheistic-belief-product-religious/12#69128895

I connect both threads with links because they are pertinent to each other.

JMAN05:
We do not reject the Septuagint. But keep researching, you will discover things I hope will help you. If I tell you, you may not believe until you do your own personal digging. So its good. Keep it up.

You can check the other thread, I wrote something there.

My bro, in your other thread, ("syncretism & monotheism", u know the topic U originated) PastorAI0 is making such claims simply because I pointed out that contrary to his opinion, "ego himi " in John 8:58 is NOT the same as "I am" in Exodus 3:14.

Whenever JW present the truth about a subject matter, it is often twisted & distorted by the opposition.
Jah bless.
Shalom

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johnw74:
just some:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

"God is spirit" LIAR .
"God is a spirit" John 4:24.
God Almighty Yahweh no get blood. A spirit has no blood
"For God so loved the y world that HE gave His only begotten son" ," the blood of Jesus his son" to die for our sins John3:16. 1st Jn1:7.

The Almighty God, Yahweh , can NEVER die. 1 tim 6'16. Ps90:2.

Your God is not YAHWEH.

So, your God died ? Kpele... Take heart.

OneJ:
John 14:9,10 that U quoted in your screenshot compared with John 14:20 :
" .... I am in my Father ,and you are in me, and I am in you..."

Going by your claim in John 14:9,10 that Jesus is God Almighty , it means that in John 14:20 ,Jesus said that Yahweh, Christ & his apostles is the same one God.
U can not cherry pick John 14:9,10 & exclude/ignore John 14:20. It is dubious to do so.

Jesus settled the matter in John 6:46,
"NO ONE HAS SEEN THE FATHER (Yahweh), except the one who is from God; Only he has seen the Father (Yahweh)"
(I know say U understand English well well)

My question for U: Did Jesus contradict himself "I am in the Father ( Jn14:9,10), "No one has seen the Father" ( Jn14:20)?

No dull yourself.
John 14:1 ,Jesus said, "..Trust in God; Trust also in me". Two distinct entities. Not the same God.

What is Jesus actually teaching us in John 14:9,10?

This is it....
"Whoever accepts anyone I send,and whoever accepts me, accepts the One who sent me" John 13:20, Matt 10:40.

"My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him (Yahweh) who sent me" John 7:16.

Jesus represented the Father, Almighty God,Yahweh. Christ did not say nor imply that he is Yahweh. We represent Jesus. We are not Christ Jesus himself. When U see us & accept the good news of God's coming kingdom, U have seen Christ & his message.
2 Cor 5:20. Matt11:27.

[quote author=jubianose post=72197485][/quote]John 14:9,10 that U quoted in your screenshot compared with John 14:20 :
" .... I am in my Father ,and you are in me, and I am in you..."

Going by your claim in John 14:9,10 that Jesus is God Almighty , it means that in John 14:20 ,Jesus said that Yahweh, Christ & his apostles is the same one God.
U can not cherry pick John 14:9,10 & exclude/ignore John 14:20. It is dubious to do so.

Jesus settled the matter in John 6:46,
"NO ONE HAS SEEN THE FATHER (Yahweh), except the one who is from God; Only he has seen the Father (Yahweh)"
(I know say U understand English well well)

My question for U: Did Jesus contradict himself "I am in the Father ( Jn14:9,10), "No one has seen the Father" ( Jn14:20)?

jubianose:
Exactly.....

The Father God (Jehovah) manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ in Human form. 1 Tim 3:16...

You are right Ana..

Peddler of falsehood.
Ignorance is bliss. Your lie no get foundation anywhere in the holy scripture.
1 Tim3:16 (KJV, GB, YLT) is a certified forgery in a few Bible translations.

The word "God was in the flesh " is not in the older Greek manuscript of that verse 16. Early Church fathers NEVER referred to it before the 4th century CE.

(RSV,NWT ,NIV etc).
"He who appeared in the flesh" is the authentic rendition.
www.trinitytruth.org/1timothy3-16-isjesusgod.html

Open your heart & shine your eyes.
Shalom.

Anas09:
Yep, with your head stuck deep inside watchtower, you'd never see.

You have eyes but you see not. Enjoy man.

Nairalanders, U can all see that she resorted to throwing shade. Na their way.
the gospel truth which Jesus himself affirmed is that Yahweh gave him power & authority in heaven & on earth.
The fables of gods of men & pastorpreneurs have done much harm than good.
Receive sense.
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