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OneJ:
U said "Jesus practically saying he is God"
Jesus himself said U dey here dey lie lie.
"..I said 'I am God's son'" John 10:34-36.

"I testify that this is the son of God" John 1:34. John 1:14,18. 3:16,36. 6:46.
"I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." John 20:18.

"Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples,which are not recorded in this book.
But these were written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD. & by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30,31.

"I am in my Father,and you are in me and I am in you" John 14:20.
Yahweh, Jesus & his apostles are one, form Trinity. Jesus words are very straight forward.

Jesus is a God, the son & servant of Yahweh, the God of Abraham, (Acts3:13,26. John 1:1,2. Ps82:6. ) He is not Yahweh/ Jehovah (Ps83:18. Matt 16:13-17.).
Pull the wool out of your eyes & heart , then U will see through falsehood called Trinity.
Shalom.

No one can twist or distort the Living word of God.
She craftily sidestepped these Gospel truths in her bid to cling on to her cherished falsehood.
Qwantinu to deceive yourself.

"God (Yahweh) made him (Jesus) both Lord and Christ" Acts 2:36.
Christ was given all the attributes & titles he bears.
Mumu doctrine of men (Trinity)can never withstand the rigorous scrutiny of God's word.

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Anas09:
Hahshahahahshsa. Oh Wow. The Watchtower man can not see beyond his nose.

Guy, tell me why Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes. Did you miss that part.

Anas LIAR !
Your crafty resort to frame "Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes" to cover up the verbal somersaults of her Trinity peddling crew will not help U.

"For even as the Father (Yahweh) has life in Himself & is self -existent,so HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself......And HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN HIM (his son,Jesus ) authority & granted him power"
John 5:26,27.

"Jesus ...said to them 'All authority in heaven & on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME...."
Matt 28:18.
Jesus himself made mockery of the falsehood U guys been peddling about him.
Yahweh gave Christ all the attributes & everything that Christ possesses. (Every Son has the attributes of his father, U no get brain?)
Christ Jesus can never be the same God who gave him power & authority.

LIAR Anas , receive sense.

Anas09:
Hahshahahahshsa. Oh Wow. The Watchtower man can not see beyond his nose.

Guy, tell me why Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes. Did you miss that part.

Anas LIAR !
U resorted to frame "Jesus took up all of YHWH's attributes" to cover up the verbal somersaults of her Trinity peddling crew.

"For even as the Father (Yahweh) has life in Himself & is self -existent,so HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself......And HE (Yahweh) has GIVEN HIM (his son,Jesus ) authority & granted him power"
John 5:26,27.

"Jesus ...said to them 'All authority in heaven & on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME...."
Matt 28:18.
Jesus himself made mockery of the falsehood U guys been peddling about him.
Yahweh gave Christ all the attributes & everything that Christ possesses. (Every Son has the attributes of his father, U no get brain?)
Christ Jesus can never be the same God who gave him power & authority.

LIAR Anas , receive sense.

Anas09:
CONT.
While on the Cross, the Substance left the body, becos the substance = divine, can not be joined to sin, and natural human body carried the sins of men and cried out 'My God, My God why... Again, if the substance had not separated from the natural body of Jesus, He wouldn't have died, because substances doesn't die.

The substance entered back into the natural body and it got up from the grave. Jehovah and Immanuel = God with us, are not two separate entities. That's why He kept saying 'I and my father and one. I am inside my father and my father is inside of me. If you have seen me, then you have seen my Father.

@OneJ, the case here is not the same with an earthly human Father sharing looks or inheritances.

If you read the book of Apostle John, you'd see Jesus practicably saying He is God.

TBC

U said "Jesus practically saying he is God"
Jesus himself said U dey here dey lie lie.
"..I said 'I am God's son'" John 10:34-36.

"I testify that this is the son of God" John 1:34. John 1:14,18. 3:16,36. 6:46.
"I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." John 20:18.

"Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples,which are not recorded in this book.
But these were written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD. & by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30,31.

"I am in my Father,and you are in me and I am in you" John 14:20.
Yahweh, Jesus & his apostles are one, form Trinity. Jesus words are very straight forward.

Jesus is a God, the son & servant of Yahweh, the God of Abraham, (Acts3:13,26. John 1:1,2. Ps82:6. ) He is not Yahweh/ Jehovah (Ps83:18. Matt 16:13-17.).
Pull the wool out of your eyes & heart , then U will see through falsehood called Trinity.
Shalom.

Ubenedictus:
then you should read up, the word Jesus used does not mean fornication or adultery, the word Jesus used is porneia and it has a wide range of application, if need to read other passages on the issue, if not you are simply making a mountain of an ant hill

The Greek word 'por.neia' refers to all forms of sexual relationship outside the bond of marriage. . That is, sexual immorality such as adultery, lesbianism, homosexuality etc & by extension, idolatry .
Por.neia subsists with the context of marriage..

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budaatum:
Seems you can divorce if one party commits "sexual immorality" , and knowing human beings , "partner looked at another" would do.

Yes. Sexual immorality could lead to divorce. On the other hand, only Jehovah /Yahweh sees the heart & HE alone can adjudge that your lookery is indeed adultery.. Acts 1:24. 1Sam 16:7. Psalms 7:9.
BTW, who has ever filed for divorce because the spouse committed lookery ?

Shelumiel:
...so Yahweh is seeking consent from lesser beings right ? So an all-powerful God , needs the consent of His creatures to to do stuff , right ? Guy, I didn't you were f**king stupid .

Yahweh was not seeking anyone's consent. The words, thought, idea was originally Yahweh's. It was Yahweh's bidding.
Others obeyed/agreed.
I won't descend to your lowlife delusion.

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MuttleyLaff:
""I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;"
- John 14:16

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I"
- John 14:28

"“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father,
he will bear witness about me."
- John 15:26

The sum and substance of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is that they're co-equal
yet it doesnt stop the Holy Spirit being submissive to the Jesus, just as Jesus is submissive to the Father

So parroting Jesus, the Father is greater than Jesus
and hitting off from the above submissive context, Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit

Why is Yahweh never obedient or submissive to Jesus Christ or the holy spirit ?

U claimed "they are the same God", coequal. Yet "Jesus was begotted by the Father who is greater than Jesus.
Co equal for where ?

pressplay411:
The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?

Muttleylaff
Maamin
Good morning sirs.

"They are the same God"
Lie. LIE. LIE !!!!!!

"Can God be be greater than himself? "

But your brain has refused to understand the implications of this million dollar question.

Can Jesus be that same person that he agreed is greater than him ,Jesus? No.

Is Jesus equal with the Father ,the God greater than him Jesus? John 14:28 is too straight forward to be twisted.
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Jesus said: "NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD" ("No man hath seen God at anytime"
"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God. ONLY he has seen the Father" John 6:46. John 1:18.

Jesus told me he is not Yahweh. No man hath seen Yahweh at anytime.

Shelumiel:
The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ? If I say I am greater than my Father, but yet my Father still seeks my opinion for decision making it does not make him greater than me in anyway. Please get the understanding of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit; for it is impossible to read and understand the Bible without the wisdom of God through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus himself said " the Father is greater than I".
U wanna twist Christ's word or U lack the sense to understand it ?

Besides, U are getting it wrong.
In Gen 11:7,& 1:26, God did not seek the consent or opinions of anyone.
Rather, HE led Jesus& the angels to carry out the idea that HE (Yahweh) originated..
Yahweh ALWAYS SAID " Let us make make man...."
"Let us go & confuse their language" (at Nimrod's tower of Babel)
U can see that it was Yahweh's idea , thought & desire that everyone else obeyed & key into....

Right there in heaven Christ & the angels were receptive/submissive to Yahweh's Supreme authority & direction.
Imagine a Father telling his children:" We are going to the farm ..."

Should we now conclude that each person present there, is coequal with him who made that statement," We are going to the farm...." ?

pressplay411:
Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

Prove it with the holy scripture that God obeyed any command given by Jesus or by the holy spirit.

What does the word "Father" actually mean to U?
What did Jesus mean by calling God "the Father" & himself, "the son of God"?

pressplay411:
Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

Verbal somersault everywhere.
"Holy spirit is recognized as coming from God" https://www.merriam-webbster.com/dictionary.
Definition of come from:
"To have a specified source or origin"
Yahweh is the source or originator of the holy spirit. The holy spirit is not God .
Likewise Christ Jesus.
"The Word became flesh.... who came from the Father" John 1:14

In plain language, each poster on this thread came from his father & mother.
What does that statement of fact teach U guys about Jesus coming from the Father ? How did God become Father to Jesus? Trinity peddlers, Pls Explain.
That U are your father & your father is U. Just one. Co-equal. Shey?


"..And you will know that I am in my father, and you in me, and I in you " John 20:11.
vs 11 says that the Father, Jesus & his apostles form the Trinity. (Are U guys gonna twist what Christ said?)

"OP, ask them Trinity peddlers, why is it that neither Christ nor the holy spirit never gave any command to God ?
Ask them to show U in the Bible where God obeyed the holy spirit ?

Whereas in the holy scriptures Christ Jesus said he is speaking & teaching what his Father
Yahweh taught him. John 7:16.

OP,"Iamwhat",pls keep asking them questions. Don't let them confuse U ,as U can see, they are confused, themselves.
U will soon see that the Trinity is a well packaged falsehood.

budaatum:
Please, what denomination teaches this?

Pastorpreneurs , miracleneurs & other "gods" of men) obviously.

budaatum:
Please, what denomination teaches this?

Pastorpreneurs , miracleneurs & other "gods" of men) obviously.

maximunimpact:
Apostates? that's the name your elders hangs on those they want to shun... i said inspite of the shortcomings in JW i still will go back there some day. Just that anyone who disagrees with the lies the governing body rolls out every now and then becomes an apostate. I will say it again that jws will rather consult idol than pray for miracles. Case closed!

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U falsely claimed "that JWs will rather consult idol than pray for miracles..."
(asuustrike1 has already faulted your fallacy )
Ogidigan of lie lie.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

Pls do not harden your heart (Hebr12:1).
Return to JEHOVAH, like the prodigal son.
Shalom.

Righteousness89:
[s][/s]My Joy is that you can't claim you hv not heard the Truth... your blood is off me

Abeg carry your god of men doctrine komot from here jare

OneJ:
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maximumimpact, Why U dey throw shade, dey dodge my question & lie lie against me ?

Pls be specific to point out where I justified the ungodly acts that U alleged that those JWs (the ones U mentioned) had done.

maximunimpact:
U may think i don't know what am saying, but even yourself knows that there's an atom of fact in my "alleged" claims. I love JWs in other aspects and if i ever want to be religious again i will go back there. I still know JWs have more twisted version of the bible more than any other christian denomination.

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1) U have FAILED to give proof that to your fallacious claims I justified the ungodly acts U alleged that some JWs had done.

2) Your post above reveals that U a person who speaks with both sides of his mouth. U lied against me, worst still ,U cast aspersion on the JWs as idol worshippers with "more twisted version of the Bible".

Yet, if U "ever want to be religious again", U "will go back there" to JW.
U be chameleon. Your way no straight.
Omo, unrepentant ones & apostates like U are not welcome..

Crysthaniel:
we should remember that it's Jesus that made these statements as regards to noah's day.. if its not going to be that way he would not have say something like that

And as regards of Organization.. Yes every one needs to be in Jehovah's arrangement or organization to be saved.. Jehovah has been and continues choosing people from all corners of the earth to be his -bearing his name, yes a people for his name.. Please read Isaiah 43:6-13 a vital prophecy was written by Isaiah and acts 15:14 in connection also Amos 9:11-12.. The work is currently going on now until Jehovah said its done.. You can go to our website www.jw.org for more answers you gonna like it just try

[quote author=OneJ post=72014252][/quote]Crysthaniel , that man "hairyranpunzel" was disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
He is an apostate. Number 16:1-3,20-27
1 cor 5:1-3,9-13.
Pls take note.

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maximunimpact:
I have more than a handful examples, not just one jw. Even my former landlord who is an elder practice witchcraft, my girlfriend's mum who is jw gave me a charm for interview success telling me because i am not yet baptized that its okay. I can't even mention all that i have personally came across.

OneJ:
Achan was a thief , Josh7:1.
Many Israelites served idols Deut 32:17-19.
Judas was a traitor Matt 26:14-16,
Ananias & Saphira were fraudulent ( Acts 5:1-11) did that render the worship of Jehovah by other faithful ones obsolete ?

maximunimpact:
you can quote all the verses to justify the act, but that doesn't change the fact that a jw would rather consult idols that seek a miracle from God.

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maximumimpact, Why U dey throw shade, dey dodge my question & lie lie against me ?

Pls be specific to point out where I justified the ungodly acts that U alleged that those JWs (the ones U mentioned) had done.

0temSapien:
laughing in Chinese. For your mind now, you are saying the truth abi? I Otem, the great god who has authority over Yahweh have spoken and it it true. Go and find out.

BLASPHEMOUS of BLASPHEMY !!!!!
Misuse of divine mercy.
Mend your ways.

jesusjnr:
IT IS BETTER TO ENTER INTO LIFE MAIMED THAN TO BE WHOLE AND CAST INTO HELL FIRE

Jesus said:

"And if thy hand
offend thee, cut it
off: it is better for
thee to enter into life
maimed, than having
two hands to go into hell, into the fire that
never shall be
quenched: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire
is not quenched. And if thy foot offend
thee, cut it off: it is
better for thee to
enter halt into life,
than having two feet
to be cast into hell, into the fire that
never shall be
quenched: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire
is not quenched. And if thine eye
offend thee, pluck it
out: it is better for
thee to enter into the
kingdom of God with
one eye, than having two eyes to be cast
into hell fire: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire
is not quenched." Mark 9:43-48.(KJV).

Gehenna (Greek) , Gehinnom (Hebrew) also called "the valley of the sons of Hinnom" ,that is the actual word U should substitute for 'hellfire' in these verses U quoted. above.
Gehenna or Gehinnom was a rubbish dump site outside Jerusalem, it was a place of destruction.

(Any Bible with Concordance/ References will prove it to U).
Nothing was tormented or tortured there.
ITS NOT HELLFIRE ooooo !!!!!

maximunimpact:
I have more than a handful examples, not just one jw. Even my former landlord who is an elder practice witchcraft, my girlfriend's mum who is jw gave me a charm for interview success telling me because i am not yet baptized that its okay. I can't even mention all that i have personally came across.

Achan was a thief , Josh7:1.
Many Israelites served idols Deut 32:17-19.
Judas was a traitor Matt 26:14-16,
Ananias & Saphira were fraudulent ( Acts 5:1-11) did that render the worship of Jehovah by other faithful ones obsolete ?

The pastorpreneur & his wife of will travel out to do IVF assisted reproduction to achieve conception &birth triplets.
Later they begin to deceive their gullible mumu hynotised followership that they travelleld for a 'Retreat' where God opened the womb of the wife after sowing seed in 7 digits, coupled with 40 days intense fasting & prayers..... Lol.
Their miracle god is IVF assisted reproduction.
If U wanna believe the well choreographed theatrical shows (AKA miracles) of pastorpreneurs who fleece their flocks with consulting fees, prayers fees ,tithe fee, sowing seed fees & demand special guests appearance fees (at crusades,revival outings)) in the name of miracles, U haf enter one chance....

Workers of iniquity(AKA "miraclepreneurs & pastorpreneurs) , Christ will disown them very soon. Matt 7:21-23.

But this is what Jehovah counts as righteousness....

John 13:34,35. 1 cor 13:1-13. James2:14-17,26. James 1:26,27. Gal 5:19-23. Gal 6:1.

[quote author=Hairyrapunzel post=65781953]To all servants of the only true God, Jehovah ( JW; )

The "Hairyrapunzel " moniker is an apostate, excommunicated from the Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
IBERIBEISM litters his posts on NL.
Pls beware of evil seeds of Korah who come online to malign Jehovah's name.
Numbers16:1-3,20-27. 1 Cor 5:1-3,9-13.
Pls note.
CC: crysthaniel.
prinzfavian
TATIME et al

Bushyhair:
I will never forget how JW made me lose the girl I really like

confused set of people

Anger is eating U up. Pls mend your ways. Why will she be with someone whose hatred for Jehovah's righteous standard he wears like a tag ?

Anas09:
Lol. You seem to believe that everyone who is not a JW is a Catholic. Guy, unlike you who is bound by what the WatchTower says, i am a Christian, bound by what the Word of God says, not what the Athanasian & the Nicene Creed says. i am not a Catholic but a Christian.

The Athanasian and the Nicene Creed projects a Trinity of three divisible gods. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. And, no where does the Word says there's those three gods. Jesus the Lord, says we shd pray in the Name, (Not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is a mystery you can never unravel while behind that desk.

I believe what the Bible teaches. Jehovah is Jesus in Manifestation not a different person. The Word says the Word or its essence was God, and Jesus the Word became flesh and dwelled with men. In Him all the divine essence of Jehovah dwelled. He was the express reflection, manifestation, form, image of God bodily. In Him all fullness dwelled. I don't know how you read the Bible.

What we humans saw and called Jesus was a physical form, but that physical form contained the divine essence of Jehovah the Father, while the physical form became the Son, and the workings or the Influence of the Father is His Holy Spirit. This is too high for your slumbering mind.


I believe in divine trinity, but not of gods, but of aspects and essence of Jehovah.

Just like you can't separate the Heat or Ray from the Sunlight and call them separate entities, so also, you can not separate the Word and the Spirit from the Father.

The Father used a body called Jesus to move about, touching and healing people, and the healings were influenced or enforced by the Spirit and power of Jehovah.

And Philip said 'Lord, show us the Father', and the Lord said, 'Have i been this long with you and yet you don't know me?'.

Do you have any idea what the above assertion by the Lord means? The Lord just told Philip He was Jehovah made manifest in the body called Jesus. You won't understand this with those Watchtower blinders on. JW calls Jesus a god, the Lord is not a god, He is God. Anyways, let me leave you to your devices.

LIAR !
No where does your Bible say "pray in the name of the father, son & holy spirit".

The name of my heavenly Father is Jehovah, his son& servant is Jesus Christ.(Ps 83:18. Matt 16:13-17. Eph1:3.) What is the name of the holy spirit ?

"The Father used a body called Jesus to move about...." LIAR !!

"When it says that everything has been put under him , IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ." 1 Cor 15:24,27.
"The word was with the God" John 1:1. already tells U that Christ & his Father Jehovah are different entities but your deluded brain refused to accept it.
Jesus is a God because he called himself "God's son" & he agreed that man is a God. John 10:34-36.
No dey lie against Jesus.
"The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, the God of our fathers has glorified his servant, Jesus" Acts 3:13,26.
Anas09, your "god" became a servant to himself.
Receive sense.