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Obiagu1:
@ Onlytruth

Just as I was about to post this. funny

Abagworo is probably ChinenyeN or his younger brother. I can bet $100 on this.

lol.

Abagworo disappoints me a lot here. It is well though.

@Abagworo,

Believe you me, I have interacted extensively with ALL IGBO groups. I cannot dwell on things that divide us if I want to be an Igbo leader one day. One cute chic from Mbano gave me the booth when I was in secondary school. Her reasons, I was an Anambra boy. This happened in Onitsha.
But, I was a student activist on the Igbo cause at UNN, and I worked with Igbo from Ebonyi, Abia, Agbor(Delta), Imo and Enugu.
I am from Anambra as you know.
I am not unaware of those. I am only angered by the emphasis on them.
Anyone who dwells on them has no business discussing Igbo land boundary matters on the internet.

@ PhysicsQED

In between the points I raised, you would see why I had to seriously listen to the minorities who say they would want to join Biafra. And not just listen to them, but make provisions to accommodate them if I want to ensure that none of them work with a ONE NIGERIANIST to keep me in the Nigerian gulag.

After I have extinguished most of the chances of sabotage by making diplomatic offers and concessions to neighboring minorities where applicable, I would then get ready to asymmetrically neutralize your police action.  

bawomolo:
northern posters like gadogado do not agree with this and how is this an hard fact by the way?

gagogado -if he is a politically savvy northerner- would know deep inside his heart that this is true, even if he doesn't admit it here.
Let's just watch as things develop.

Chongaiman:
Hmmm,
Are we to interpret that they are 2nd class citizens since they are apparently not deserving in 2011?

This is either false logic or you should be more precise. You may know something many of us may not be aware of.

How old are you? How long have you followed Nigeria's politics? Answer these first before you continue.

PhysicsQED:
*Sigh*

Mr. Onlytruth, its clear you're not really understanding me. Edo people, and some other minorites, unlike some jealous minorities in the former Eastern region, are extremely disinterested in taking sides, and were not involved and could not have been involved in any 'gang-up" against Biafra without Biafran provocation. To this day I won't bat an eye if Igbos decide to stay or leave, but since it obviously pains them to stay, and since they have a very strong case for leaving, I say they should have their own country. So its not that I require one Nigeria or even one Nigeria with Igbos, it's just that for me and many other minorities a country like Nigeria could be something greater than the individual constituents.

Obviously some people can think that Nigeria is too big to fail (but obviously it has already), while others can think it's too big to work. This doesn't mean that if you're an optimist and think it can eventually work, and be more than a geographical amalgamation, that you staunchly OPPOSE the self-determination drives of its constituent members, it only means that you much more strongly support a possible giant. With regard to the Edo people you could even view this in relation to the Benin Empire- why be your own Monaco, when you can be part of Germany/Russia/U.K., etc.?

That really explains a big part of why there isn't a mass minority secession movement and Idomas, Igalas, Urhobos, Itsekiris, Nupes, etc,  aren't all up in arms for their own (somewhat impractical) states.


As for the axis thing I only mentioned that because it is a very real fact, which Biafran propagandists will have to sit and think deeply about how to overcome, that people like Ika Igbos or Ikwerres seem disinclined to even admitting Igboness and joining the wider Igbo cause, which is why you need to win them over diplomatically, or else opposing forces  (no, not Edos, or other disinterested minorities really, but possibly a combination of Northerners (who control the military) allied with jealous minorities and/or  opportunists and profiteers) might attempt another "police action" if you try and incorporate them into Biafra.

Like I said, its not about not wanting to leave Nigeria. It's more about there being little impetus for those minorities watching from the sidelines to promote their own secession or that of other groups of people or join that of others, when the alternative-the successful development of Nigeria into a stable and prosperous nation-is a clear and possible impetus for remaining in Nigeria.

All the bolded are boldfaced lies, and I will prove it.

So, the "minorities" only concern with joining a Biafra according to you, is their preference for a bigger country with a better chance of success, right?

Isn't it contrary to the same minority feelings that Igbo hardly fail in any endeavors which is the motive of the jealousy?
More importantly, in this context as "bigger" is presumed to mean "succeessful"; Aren't there "smaller" countries like Switzerland that are richer than "bigger" countries like Pakistan?
Isn't Switzerland more stable and successful than Afghanistan and Pakistan?
In Africa, is Botswana not more successful than DRC, or Somalia (with a long sea coast)?

So, unless you are telling me that Edo state is controlled by illiterates, or that in the 50 year history of Nigeria, that Edo state has been the most developed and progressive state, then, I have to suspect your claims.
More importantly, I have to suspect what you would do if you notice that Igbo would soon successfully pull out of Nigeria.

What I'm doing is identifying possible saboteurs or potential enemies of a seceding Igbo nation.

That really explains a big part of why there isn't a mass minority secession movement and Idomas, Igalas, Urhobos, Itsekiris, Nupes, etc,  aren't all up in arms for their own (somewhat impractical) states.

Yes, the minorities don't want to secede alone because they will fail as nations. They don't have the spirit to sustain a viable nation on their own. Let's be honest. If they did, they would not have fought against Biafra. They would have been busy seceding. So, what I hate is that such minorities don't want to secede, but they would work with Hausas or whoever is trying to stop Igbo from seceding.

ChinenyeN:
Onlytruth, mapping out Igboland, in case of secession includes addressing issues like the 'us vs them' mentality, which is a clear reality. If you even bothered to read my post, the whole way through, you'll notice that I lend support to the parliamentary system, as well as the proposal for provincial autonomy so as to work against such. Now, don't try sweeping this under the rug. If you want Ala Igbo to be a success, you will have to address as many likely concerns as possible.

Although, I do wonder how clueless Anambra people are about these sentiments. Were you not aware of all of this, Onlytruth?

Chinenye, my issue with you as a person is that you don't even admit your intentions. You always deny it when confronted, and you accuse me of being presumptuous, or drawing conclusions without facts. You are clannish to a fault, and frankly I have nothing to say to you because there are other Ngwas here who should say them to you.

On your accusation that I am clueless about clannish issues, let me double assure you that I am not. I only think that they are childish and stoopid, and should be the least of my concerns when I am fighting for the survival of Igbo.

You want me to focus on them, right? So, why not I focus on my blood brothers whom I have issues with? Or my cousins, uncles, umu nna, village, or town?

Why should I not even be at war with myself, after all I argue with myself before I make a decision? Why not I split myself into clans?

I would say this: Anyone who cannot see beyond his clan has no business discussing Igbo matters, and I would henceforth belittle and ignore anyone who comes here to tell me about Igbo clan issues.

THIS IS THE INTERNET. Everybody is reading what we say here.
If you have issues with other Igbo clans, go to Aba and tell them there.

Brothers: Ezeuche, Abagworo, Chinenye (though not surprised ), I am truly disappointed in all of you.
What is all these nonsense talk about northern vs southern Igbo? We vs them Igbo?

[size=16pt]Chineke ekwela ihe ojoo!!![/size]

Shocked out of my wits!

Here we are discussing Igboland and trying to map it out in case we need to secede; and folks like Abagworo is here trying every trick in the book to undermine it through inciting clannishness.

I am truly saddened.

Why are we wasting our time here then? What are we talking about, when idiotic things like "northern Igbo", "core Igbo" is pervading the mindsets of discussants?

I hope all of you know, that MASSOB is effective throughout Igboland and beyond, and is being led by a guy most members don't even know his Igbo clan. I don't even know where Okwe is except that it is somewhere in southern Igboland, yet I hold Uwazuruike in higher esteem than any guy from ANY part of Igboland.

I have said this before, and that is why I refused to submit a government system being demanded by experience, I maintain that the "spirit" of a nation is the only determinant of success for any nation.

If we have ONE spirit, we can have ANY type of government and be world beaters still. If we have one spirit, even current Nigeria will work. I am even interested in the Biafran thing ONLY because of the spirit that drove it. If we cannot replicate that spirit in any new nation, then, I am NOT INTERESTED. I would be resigned to remain in the Nigerian dungeon.

So, please, in the name of the almighty GOD whom most of you worship as Christians, [b]STOP THIS IDIOTIC TALK [/b]about Igbo clans already!  

PhysicsQED:
Edo state, really, is barely an oil producing state,and I don't think all those universities would be in Edo state if all we think about is oil. In reality, most Edos I know are staunch One-Nigeria people, and that One Nigeria of theirs includes Igbos and Yorubas, (Edos had no problem being either Action Group or NCNC in the fifties and sixties, but with the death of NCNC, there are more AC Edo people, many that I know personally support Utomi, and of course there are PDP stooges) but would prefer a Nigeria without Hausa-Fulanis and some other northerners.

There has never been a secession movement in Edo State and there isn't any real reason there could be one. So while you are here naively assuming every minority wants to secede because I mentioned probable cases like that of the Ogonis, who would definitely try to form a Singapore, that is really not the case. What I meant was that they wouldn't be keen on Biafra for the same reasons they don't want to merge with each other, and for the added reason that they could never see it as their country. The truth is that some of these minorities, Ogonis, and possibly Ijaw excluded, would want to part of something greater than a mere Singapore or Dubai, which is certainly the case with the Edos. But a Biafra is not in any way an inherently more attractive option to them than trying to join an all Yoruba republic (such as becomrich's fabled and magnificent Benin Republic), which they would never even go for.

As for Biafra being landlocked, that is a debate which I didn't really get into and am not all that interested in, honestly, I just stated that the inclusion of minorities in Biafra would give access to sea and oil, which they would. Obviously the sooner some obviously Igboid minority peoples start identifying as Igbo and furthermore, as Biafran, this would become a moot point, and Biafra really couldn't be landlocked without needing to dig up historical documents to prove the ancestry of people. But when the impetus for Biafra remains in the Anambra/Imo/Enugu axis it will seem like Biafranity is being forced upon others (for their own good) who don't identify with the political bigwigs and give another excuse for a "police action" by opposing parties.

Like I said I don't have anything against you personally, but I think you don't really understand any outside perspectives and are just assuming things.

I won't say "QED" here because I have too much respect for that phrase to invoke it debates rather than proofs, so I'll only say peace.

I have learned to look for the truth in the most unlikely places, and always advise my Igbo brothers to do same.

Okay, you say that there is no jealousy against a potential Igbo only country. Why then are your Edo people staunch one Nigerians (with Igbo included in it)? Why not just have one Nigeria without the Igbos?

I would like to see Edo and other minorities openly call for sole secession, or openly ask Nigeria to excise Igbo from Nigeria. In fact I would like you and other minorities not to insist on ONE NIGERIA because Ndigbo really want out.
Or you can call for one Nigeria without the Igbos.

This your lame attempt to make it seem as if secession is a limited Igbo movement is really lame. It is not an Anambra/Imo/Enugu axis thing; i.e. if you want to admit the truth.

Like I've said before, my only concern is to prevent people who would not leave Nigeria from ganging up against those who would. That is my only concern.

As for your police action, well, we shall see about that, won't we? No need talking about that.

The truth lies in why you don't want to leave Nigeria.

asha 80:
I thought i was the only person that found that nonsensical.awka north,awka south,nnewi north nnewi south nonsense that arose from money from centre and chop chop mentality of lgas.

lol. chop chop lgas.

asha 80:
Off point.

it seems the format for embeding youtube videos here has changed.i used to do it before but i cannot seem to do it now with the same technique i used to use before like

1. Clicking the insert flash icon to get this
2.Inserting the link in between the flash brackets as shown here
3.Removing the '=' and '?' sign in links and replacing them with' /' sign  like here to be replaced with this
4.And post to get imbedded video but it does not work now unlike before.

Any helper?

All you need to do is click insert flash, then put the video link like this "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_dSLOKywk?fs=1" between the [flash] tags.

Is that you in the middle Ezeuche?


[flash=400,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_dSLOKywk?fs=1"[/flash]

A little easing aside:

I love these my Abia folks

[flash=400,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_dSLOKywk?fs=1[/flash]

Katsumoto:
This is in plain english; i hope all the doubters such as Richyblack, AndrewUweh, Obiaju1, OnlyTruth, Ezeuche, Nchara (mekus, akin-egba), Eziachi can read this.

So, I'm supposed to sing kumbaya and go home? Did they discover any new more potent ganja specie lately?

If you cannot believe[b] Mbu[/b], why should I believe anyone else? Arrant nonsense.

Ibime:
@ Onlytruth,

Do not ask me to desist from any militaristic talk for I have committed no crime. T[b]he likes of EzeUche & co have been puffing up about committing genocidal slaughter of the Ijaws with no caution from your side or any elders on here[/b]. I am just trying to understand the historical context on which Ijaws should fear such military aggression. My brief is just to let him know that Ijaw has never been scarred by fear of Igbo invasion so his threats are water off a ducks back.

You know that the bolded is a lie. Almost every Igbo poster here have called him to order but you know him. Of course there are other Igbos who share in his belief. My job is to rein everybody in. No need for boasts.
Like I've told you before, a good leader does not issue threats. Also, there is no way for the Ijaw to harass Ndigbo in Nigeria. Our spirit of accommodation is often misunderstood for weakness as attested to by your earlier posts about the Ikwerre.

chyz:
Military repraisal from who, the europeans or ijaw? and with the use of whos weapons your or the europeans,if it was an ijaw military.

They were European porters, and now European exploits are theirs as well. Rolling on the flo,

Ibime:
It is funny that Dede should name the likes of Jaja etc as evidence of direct Igbo trading with Europeans.

No Igbo man ever traded under the banner of his village with the Europeans. Any Igbo trading with the Europeans is a slave with Ijaw name operating under the banner of Ibani, Kalabari or Nembe who controlled direct trade with the Europeans exclusively. The day Ikwerre man decides he will paddle down the Bonny river to trade directly with the Europeans is the day he will meet his maker. If my assertion is wrong, then name any Igbo village or clan with the military might to come down to the coast and trade under their name. Back then Igbo is to Ijaw what Urhobo is to Itsekiri. They cannot trade directly with the Europeans they produce the palm oil for.

Like I've told you before, if I were you, I would desist from making these claims. Your puffing is an insult to a tribe that has been benevolent to let you live in peace in the east. You don't need anyone to remind you that Igbo have fought deadlier foes. The more you make these claims, the more likely it would be that the emergent Igbo leadership will take the mold of EzeUche than myself.
If that is what you want for your people, then, keep the insults coming. Even my town of over 400, 000 can raise enough militants to drive you back to Ghana and Benin.

Ibime:
@ Richyblack,

I don't talk without facts. I'm on my Blackberry so I can't provide links.   
The fact that no Igbo could trade directly with Europeans on the coast is evidence enough of where the balance of military power has lain historically.
In summary, I set you the task of unearthing a military defeat of any Ijaw nation by any Ndigbo group at any point in history. Make some use of Jstor or something. Hehehehem

As for Chyz, I don't do teenage angst. Make better use of your debating skills by continuing your argument with googles in the music section.

By the bolded, you are asserting that no Igbo group ever traded directly with the Europeans, which is utter nonsense.

The Ijaw of the day could have been like Benin boys of today trading girls to Europe. They have no monopoly of the trade. They only dominated it, and couldn't have stopped others from directly dealing with the Europeans. They could have encountered the Europeans first in Benin and Ghana or wherever they came from and hence could act as interpreters and middlemen to the Europeans. The Igbo never liked Europeans and actually thought they were cannibals.

There are countless reasons why the Ijaw could have acted as middle men. I don't think it was decisively military. Believe me if it was only military, the Ijaw wouldn't have survived.

EzeUche22:
We are both preaching diplomacy though!

I am just simply talking about Gunboat Diplomacy a form of diplomacy is it not? lol

Must there be a gun in the diplomacy? lol.

EzeUche22:
Gbam!

And people want diplomacy with them? I say complete and utter rubbish.

I'll give them diplomacy! Gunboat diplomacy!

Here we go again.
Bros, let people not misunderstand me for you again o!

Ibime:
@ Onlytruth,

It is good to know that there is an Igbo clan up north with real military might cos these Southern Igbo groups must have created a misconception. Hehehehe.

All joking aside, any Igbo militaristic personage who thinks that threatening to drive Ijaw into the sea would scare the Ijaw must not know the Ijaw.

My take on the whole thing is that if someone like myself ever emerge an influential Igbo leader, there would not be a military conflict with any of the eastern minorities, because frankly it would be tantamount to killing a fly with a sledge hammer. I don't do threats. I am a focused, witty, brave, cunning, and competent military mind. You don't want to meet my type as foe in battle.

I believe the eastern peoples are ONE. If the north can be ONE, so can the east.  So, no one will be driving anyone to the sea, ever.

udezue:
@OnlyTruth and EzeUche, so the North-Hausa are Kingmakers while you the East / South-Igbo are the subordinates? Later u go dey for "Extent of Igboland beating your chest about Igbo superiority yet come here to practice Northern blind worshiping. Anyone who thinks IBB will hand over ones he gets his on Aso Rock need to think deep.

Udezue,

Now I'm really disappointed in you. 

For you not to understand the hard facts about Nigeria makes me to wonder whether you even know anything about Igbo interests.
I am not kissing anyone's behind. I am only facing Nigeria AS IS. Your thinking style is part of why Ndigbo have lagged other groups since after the war.

HARD FACTS:

(1) There is only ONE NORTH.
(2) The north dominates the Nigerian military, hence the real power.

(3) The north is the most politically sophisticated in Nigeria. Don't mistake all these their quiet "negotiation" and cajoling of Jonathan for weakness.

(4) The PDP constitution says that power should go back to north in 2011. IT WILL GO BACK.

You think that you have other southerners to support you and Jonathan, but wait until it dawns on everybody that the south has no power in Nigeria, then, it will be time to scapegoat people and groups. The other tribes will beat us by secretly negotiating power with the north, while we are left holding the empty bag of justice.

I am an aspiring Igbo leader. I am determined never to repeat the mistakes of my forebears.

Ibime:
@ Onlytruth,

Ijaw history has never been interspersed with subjugation by any Ndigbo, rather it is the other way round. Even as far back as 19th century, Okrika regularly invade Ikwerre to force them to trade solely with Okrika rather than Kalabari. States like Bonny, Kalabari and Nembe forbade any upland tribe to come down and trade with the Europeans directly and backed this with military might.
As one of my link also shows, some Etche people had to grant concessions to Okrika traders to protect them from Abam headhunters. Whilst we can all agree that Ndigbo is now a major force to be afraid of, it just nevered entered the Ijaw mans mind that he can be subjugated by Igbo military force. Hence I posit that these threats from EzeUche to "drive us into the sea" should be backed by some military action to condition the Ijaw mind to accept the new military order in South-Eastern Nigeria. . . Cos at the moment Ijaw man cannot envisage such reality. Hehehehehe


@ Naijaking,

Let's here from those Igbos who lived in Woji, Elelenwo, Rumuokurushi etc.

Firstly, I would like to believe that Igbo took over the best lands and left the swamps to the Ijaws, or the Ijaws moved into the swamps just like you have Beniniose in Lagos swamps living on suspended houses. You don't expect an Igboman to live in such lands.

Also, I told you that we had different Igbo groups. You probably encountered weak ones. The British account accurately captured the Igbo east of the Niger as a warlike people. Believe me if you encountered the Nnewi, there would not be a single Ijaw left. Y'all would've been sent to the plantations in Cuba. You should read up on Nnewi history.

You know, I wouldn't be saying those things if I were you. There is no way a tiny Okrika or Kalabari or Ijaw can match Igbo today in any armed conflict. BELIEVE YOU ME.  So, lets drop that line of talk.
The Igbo today have been unified by Biafra and have tasted war together. If we are ever tempted to pick up arms again, woe betide anyone who dares sabotage us.

ow11:
- Reasons the houses were taken? There is a popular story in many parts of old PH that when PH became a city in the 50s and 60s, the then Eastern Regional govt only gave allocations to people from present day SE Nigeria. This angered a lot of the Okrika and Kalabari people who felt they needed to have some clout in PH although they possibly couldn't afford to do so since many people from SE Nigeria were rich businessmen and would win any bidding battle. As soon as the war ended, looting of properties began in PH like it happens anywhere there's a war and opportunists began to claim empty homes and quite possibly some occupied homes.

- You can say they were saboteurs because they wanted to steal houses but I would imagine they were just opportunists and if there was no war, that wouldn't have happened.  It is really a sad experience for anyone involved in such a mess but[b] I would imagine many Igbos lost houses in Kaduna, Jos, Kano, Lagos and even Calabar.[/b]

In answer to your question, NO it wasn't justifiable and was criminal for the RVSG to give credibility to those who occupied empty homes after the war. Houses that belonged to dead owners could have been taken if no owner surfaced but deed papers should have been respected when owners turned up. Another side to this argument was that many people came up with fraudulent papers but I think this could have been sorted out if the will was there.

My own solution is a revisit to the matter and any outstanding payment should be effected for everyone to bury the hatchet and move on. Many people have lost more than that since 1970 and have also moved on even without restitution so I would imagine something of that nature if the RVSG and BYSG can pay up for its mess.

Thank you for being very honest in your post. So many facts came out of it.
My father lost a one story hotel building in Port Harcourt, and another residential house. The painful irony of this "abandoned property" thing is that he effortlessly recovered his houses in Kano. When he returned to Kano, the Alhajis taking care of his houses simply handed them over. You see why it is not easy for Ndigbo to forgive and forget. People who we thought were our brothers ended up hurting us more that complete foreigners.

Thank you also for noting that the lands were bought through "competitive bidding" process. I cannot imagine an Igbo led government giving out assets to those who didn't pay for it.  It just can't happen.

EzeUche22:
The True Extent of Alaigbo (Igboland)

Our borders will always remain contentious.


This thread has turned into something else though. I welcome any debate about the Igbo in this state called Nigeria.

You see why I advocated diplomacy and inclusion? Unless you want to fight everybody, there is no other way.

Again a lot of tribes which want Nigeria to remain one by all means, are really indirectly jealous of an Igbo only country.
Remove Ndigbo from Nigeria now and you will be shocked by what they'll do and who they'll follow.

If there is a magic wand that we can wave, and Igboland will be carved out of Nigeria, please by all means show me!

asha 80:
The question is why offer an opprtunity to people who do not seem interested in it your beliefs?You forget biafra included other ethnic groups hence the fear within.If there is to be a disintergration of nigeria why must we consider others?Unlike before where we pushed for it because of the circumstances then this time around i do not think igbos will push for it as others also feel fed up too so it wil not be like an igbo thing anymore.So in this scenario what happens?

Like I said, already, you and others don't seem to follow my logic at all. I don't know if I'm too technical for you.
I NEVER SAID WE MUST FORCE THEM. I said we will present them with an opportunity.
You'd be shocked what people say in the open and what they say or do in secret. My main concern now, anyway, is to ensure that there is no gang up against Ndigbo. It has happened before and will happen again.

The tribes we are dealing with are not as morally concerned as the Igbo. They don't believe in Egbe bere Ugo bere.
What I'm doing is neutralizing the chance of a gang up.

If there is a gang up against Ndigbo, we will never be able to secede. I am a practical man.
Most of you look for the truth in all the wrong places. You will find the truth in the most unlikely places.

Why did EVERYBODY gang up against Biafra? If we are to go it alone again, what are the chances that it won't repeat? That is the question.

When Ralph Uwechue went to meet Edwin Clark, he was not subsuming Igbo interests under Ijaw interests. He was only doing what I would do.

Ibime:
Don't mind Ezeuche and others talking about pushing people into the sea. When was the last time any Igbo tribe/nation/clan or village won a war against external force? If the British hadn't told em they were one people, their clans would continue being pillaged by Ijaw and Benin peoples. hehehehhehehe

Have you wondered how Igbo managed to be on both sides of the Niger river? I wonder who was pillaging who?
Definitely, your Ijaw folks never encountered the Nnewis. We would have sold all of you into slavery.
We were organized for at least 400 years before the white man showed up.

asha 80:
I have said it before and i will stand by it.If there is to be disintergration of nigeria [b]igbo must and i repeat must not try to force or cajole any ethnic to join us unless majority of the so called ethnic group says they want to.I simply do not understand why some people here would because of one or two friends said to him feel that those ethnic groups are interested in joining igbos in any eventuality.An ethnic group is more than one or two friends.[/b]We should drop this big brother attitude.

It must be ground hog day. Why is everybody typing without even thinking. Who said anything about forcing anyone to join Biafra?  

And stop making side comments. Be frontal please.

JEALOUSY WAS A MAJOR REASON why some groups fought against Biafra. We have to neutralize that chance by offering them an opportunity, else history will repeat itself. You guys are underestimating the power of jealousy, but it has played more role than anything else in the Igbo predication in Nigeria and failed Biafra. How do we address that?

Andre Uweh:
@Ezeagu and Onlytruth: Please stop the hostility. Enough is Enough. One love.
Pleas display maturity. Udo diri unu.

What are you even talking about? Don't tell me you don't read my posts as well. Even you Andre?
Na wa o!

ezeagu:
That's what you get when you rely on stereotype, you look like an absolute ediot. I get this as well. People replying to things that I didn't even think of typing. Maybe some people should "catch" some sense.

The guy didn't even bother to read my posts well. I said that Adaka Boro should have been dealt with thoroughly, and I meant it. There is no sense in leaving a snake in your house while you are busy dreaming of how to make the house a two story building. You have to remove the snake first. The effective strategy of removing the snake could be anything, diplomacy, more autonomy or outright excision from Eastern region. We could have carved out Ijawland from Eastern region if they continued and believe me we would have played a better role in deciding what they got. We would beat Gowon to his games. Adaka was an invidious cancer that needed urgent surgical operation. The Eastern region was fine without him and everything he stood for.

PhysicsQED:
Actually, the myth (and it certainly is a myth) has not at all been quashed. A quick sampling of posts by EzeUche22 and Onlytruth would only reinforce it. Although I have no problem with them as individuals, and they both seem like competent people, they, like yourself, and possibly even Ojukwu himself (if the purported dialogue of a conversation of Ojukwu's about the possible 'incorporation' of the Midwest into Biafra, as mentioned in John de St. Jorre's book about the Nigerian civil war is legitimate), do not seem to have even the slightest comprehension of what the feelings of Nigerian minorities with no cultural ties to Igbos are towards a possible incorporation into Biafra.

I can assure you all that no matter how good a proposal Biafran supporters think they would be able to offer, it would be vigorously opposed by every vocal and/or educated member of those societies, whether Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri, or whatever, not with "diplomatic' or 'formal" negotiation needing to take place, but by a mass repulsion amongst commoners and elites to the idea of going from being a minority in a state fought over by three "unneeded" groups who at least have no say over their local activities and who comprise a country which is seen as a sort of amalgam (even if a bad one) of Africans from a particular geographical area (a mere "geographical expression" to being a minority in a state run (governed) by another ethnicity and associated with it more than it could ever be with their own, which would always make the dominant group (Igbos) the "other," and prevent the possibility of any shared feeling of ownership of a country. The obvious reaction, especially those from areas invaded during the civil war by Biafrans , could never be acceptance, but instead they would each vie for individual independence for their groups, to create a bunch of Equatorial Guineas or Singapores, or form a federation of former minorities, using oil money to become a bunch of Omans or Dubais.

You may never even have thought in these terms but the near equality of population between the three major groups in the West, East, and North (I know the North as whole is supposedly bigger than the whole south, but I'm just talking about Yorubas, Igbos, and Hausa-Fulanis only) essentially means that in theory, no single group can rule the country. (If the middle belt was not under "core northern" sway (that is, if southern politicians bothered to try and appeal to them), the Hausa-Fulani would not always be ruling Nigeria today.)

This means that no person can actually say that Nigeria as a country "belongs" more to a Yoruba or Igbo than to an Isoko or Itsekiri. In a possible Biafra, if 75% or more of the population is Igbo, and as a result almost every major decision is carried out by an Igbo, will the minorities in that state feel that it is an Igbo country, or that there is actually something like a Biafran nationality to which their ethnic identity is a part of? The tricky part here is that merely reassuring them that that is the case would not make it so; in fact, every association of Biafran success with Igbo efforts or ability, however innocently stated, would chafe at their sense of Biafraness/Biafranity.  Unlike in Nigeria, where sensible people see Igbos as Nigerians first, and Igbos second, minorities with no shared cultural ties or history with Igbos would see Igbos as the "other" group, to be opposed or overcome.

Onlytruth actually thought at one point that "Edo state proper" could be in Biafra. Which is evidence of sheer cluelessness of the perspectives of others.

He, and others, should know, Urhobos and Itsekiris did not even want to be part of the proposed EDOWA (Edo + Warri) state, and Edos did not want it either, even though these three groups have more ties than some other groups in Nigeria that share states. And some people think they will want to join Biafra, made up of people whom they share very few ties with?

You might not even know this, but after Biafra, even some Kanuris (descendants of the Kanem-Borno empire) wanted to join forces with their brothers in Chad and resurrect the defunct state rather than being dominated by the larger Hausa-Fulani in Nigeria. Needless to say, they were shut down.


What you and him and others need to understand is that without this colonial amalgamation called Nigeria, no group really "needs" any other group or feels it does, nor would any group feel that it was not capable of being on its own when the amalgamation ceased.

The political trend, since before Isaac Boro is towards ethnic autonomy (just think of the proposed Anioma state), which you should actually welcome, as a Biafran, but it might mean that Biafra really might really be Igbo only- which also shouldn't be a problem, since the minorities definitely don't need Igbos and Igbos definitely don't really need the minorities, even if they would be deprived of sea and oil (which many countries function better than Nigeria without).

My friend if you want to be honest, you would at least admit what I said, which is that the minorities should be presented with the opportunity of joining a Biafra. My reason is that I have met folks from Edo state who say that want to join up. In fact I know many people from far and wide up to Benue who want to ensure that Igbos are in their country. They cannot imagine staying in a country without the Igbos. This is not boasting.

I am a pragmatist, and I know that most of those who fought against Biafra did so out of jealousy. They feared that a successful Igbo dominated country will dwarf their backward countries left behind. I don't need to prove anything about that. An Igbo country will soar like an eagle. So, most fought against Biafra OUT OF JEALOUSY. Therefore, to neutralize such jealousy I advocated that we offer them an opportunity to join up.
I really don't want to say more than that on this issue.

I know that most of you think only about oil, hence you want to emerge new Dubais and Equatorial Guineas. What you don't understand is that it will never happen as long as there is oil there. The most likely scenario is that the Igbo will secede from Nigeria alone and leave you all to the Hausa/Fulani and maybe Yoruba to continue milking the oil because those folks are not leaving Nigeria until your oil is finished. So, forget about those dreams 'cos it ain't happening.

Now, for the record once more. I do not advocate violence or forced annexation of minority lands. What I said was that we have a documented history of how the coastal regions developed and who migrated there first. Therefore, I know for a fact that there is no way Igboland will be landlocked. QED.

homerac7:
@ ezeuche and onlytruth,

u make me laugh by d way u throw your infantile tantrums. u call for war at no provocation basing your rush on your ancestry. hope u knw dt it's a modern world where gra-gra doesnt win war. i think u need to read thru your comments and juxtapose it wt hitler's position in Mien kampf, u will b amazed at hw well u r renactin d scenario. u hav threatened to annihilate or push other tribes into d sea for not going along with u. if there were to b a Biafra entity, governed by responsible leaders, people with your outlook will be systematically cordoned off from access to military commands, otherwise, serious trouble due to some ppl wt poorly regulated adrenaline rush. but on d lighter side, i consider your rantings as pure joke and i wont take it more dn dat. so catch ya fun!

Did you read my posts at all before you typed?
Where did I say that Igbo must fight?

Didn't I say that diplomacy is the best tool? Didn't I say that the minorities are free to go form their own tiny nations?

Do you just like jumping into things without reading up first? A true slowpoke.