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PoliticsRe: 44 Years After Ironsi, Igbo Named Army Chief by Onlytruth(m): 4:43am On Sep 10, 2010
udezue:
An Ibibio man as IG now that's good. Hope he outperforms Onovo. An Igbo appointed too? Well good job. As long as we remain part of that entity we all deserve any position if not then what are doing in Nigeria?
If I'm not mistaken, the Ibibio man Ekpeyong is the new director of the SSS, not the new IG.

The new IG is Hafeez Uba Ringim from the north.
PoliticsRe: Tafawa Balewa Was Not Killed By Soldiers: Mbu by Onlytruth(m): 4:21am On Sep 10, 2010
bk.babe97y:
Damn, son! I just fcked my mom yesterday even if she really dont know who my true father is! cool cool cool
CultureRe: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by Onlytruth(m): 3:55am On Sep 10, 2010
RichyBlacK:
@ezeagu,

Excellent map!

How did you make the map? Will like to learn. grin
The map is awesome!

Now that the thread is no longer in politics section, I can say these:

Only thing I don't understand is where Nnewi falls into. I know that Nnewi (or Anaedo) is bigger than some groups represented on this map, and you cannot subsume it under Idemili or Onicha.The tail does not wag the dog.  It is bigger than Onicha. Anaedo is made up of at least 4 towns. If you add those towns in the south , it goes up to about 10 towns.  So Nnewi or Anaedo should be delineated.

PoliticsRe: Sack Of Service Chiefs Well-timed — Kayode, Defence Minister by Onlytruth(m): 1:54am On Sep 10, 2010
Onovo is a fool. No one will cry for him. cool
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 1:33am On Sep 10, 2010
mens dept:
Zik was supposedly rigged in the West Region way back when, and again[b] in 1983 Anambra state, Then 1999 we heard massive riggin, then 2003 greater riggin, and 2007, the greatest riggin in World History.[/b]

2011, and yet no major concern or project to ensure a free, fair, and safe election. I'm sure most of the folks that are planning on going home this Christmas dont even know an election is taking place then, and will be surprised at the touts controlling their village movements
So in 2011 there will be greatest of the greatest rigging. grin grin grin

I ain't going to the village anytime soon.
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Replaces Police Boss And Service Chiefs by Onlytruth(m): 1:28am On Sep 10, 2010
The more I look at this reshuffle the more I like it. There is something calming about it.
Maybe Jonathan is not as weak as I had feared.
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 1:19am On Sep 10, 2010
safariman:
Didn't Akala already declared himself the winner in Oyo state?
grin grin grin grin grin. lol.
PoliticsRe: Will Nigeria Ever Be More Than A "mere Geographical Expression"? by Onlytruth(m): 7:43pm On Sep 09, 2010
@PhysicsQED

I'm still waiting for answers to my questions.

Did you post this and run away?  huh

You see why I told you that the truth will not be found in your posturings at all.

I maintained that the key to successful Igbo secession from Nigeria is unearthing the real reasons behind your (and some minority) opposition to Biafra or any Igbo only country. Why you support one Nigeria without any logical reasons.
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 7:23am On Sep 09, 2010
slap1:
Someone have asked few days ago what inspires you to write. So holding opposing views equals being uneducated? You need to check into a rehab if you start drawing analogies between our politics and America's at this point. Is it not still clear to you that we're still too far to be remotely near? But I better hurry off the thread for you and your 'educated' ilk. . .
You probably need to check into a mental home if you think you make sense. So hurry along. .
PoliticsRe: Will Nigeria Ever Be More Than A "mere Geographical Expression"? by Onlytruth(m): 7:06am On Sep 09, 2010
PhysicsQED:
"Nigeria is not a nation. It is a mere geographical expression. There are no ‘Nigerians’ in the same sense as there are ‘English,’ ‘Welsh,’ or ‘French.’ The word ‘Nigerian’ is merely a distinctive appellation to distinguish those who live within the boundaries of Nigeria and those who do not.”- Obafemi Awolowo, Path to Nigerian Freedom

Reading all the back and forth about zoning on this forum got me thinking,

Is it not the case that the political foundations of Nigeria are INHERENTLY unstable, and that we will never reach a point where only merit will determine who governs this country? It should be obvious that if only the best from every region have a say, then mediocrity and inadequacy, incompetence, etc. will be severely reduced, but with the different sections of the country not being equally developed prior to independence and with no amount of oil money or any other industry being able to bring every part of the country to some high degree of prosperity (i.e. wealth without real work, like Saudi Arabia, or actual oil-rich countries) and level the playing field to allow those who were not able to compete in a merit based system to compete, what incentive will there ever be to adopt a purely merit based stance towards government and development?
Are you asking us? I think it is time that YOU answer the question. In the thread on "the true extent of alaigbo", you basically painted yourself and your edo people as staunch "one nigerianists".
You would understand if I become baffled by these questions you are asking here.
BTW, for how long have we asked those questions? I wasn't born by then, but I guess these questions started in 1960 or even earlier.

My question to you now is this: What is YOUR best strategy for achieving the nation of your dreams? What needs to change in Nigeria?
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 6:51am On Sep 09, 2010
slap1:
We should look at issues critically, we must not all agree with Mr. Ochereome. If you were in Jonathan's shoes would you have done the opposite? He is simply strategizing and campaigning with the tools at his disposal, just like every other aspirant. He is only luckier to be more equipped than the others, which is not all bad. Someone rightly cited what happened between Bush and Al Gore in the U.S of A. Now when John McCain and Sarah Palin where digging up all sorts of racist dirt against Obama's candidacy, what do you think they were doing? They were simply using the tools at their disposal to shorn the veneer of the opposition, about the same thing GEJ is allegedly doing. History have shown us that politics is not a game of saints, and we are to be pitied if we nurse the ambition of proving history wrong.
This is like comparing a headache with a terminal brain cancer. undecided
None of the US politicians used state apparatus to attack their opponents.
Jonathan is using the instruments of state power to attack his political opponents. The only time such a thing nearly happened in the US, it led to the impeachment of President Nixon.

I wonder whether Nigerians even understand these things. . .

Anyway I think educated ones do.
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 6:44am On Sep 09, 2010
koruji:
It is not about being dumb. It is about having a choice between the devil & the deep blue sea. It is an incremental process right now. However, we will be happy to catch the thief any way we can - whether for political gain or not does not matter to me. If the EFCC can make a solid case of corruption, that is all that matters. As I said, the real defense is to say to EFCC "come on in, have a look around, take your time - we have nothing to hide".

EFCC is not an accounting firm that monitors expenses - they respond to corruption allegation & indicators.
^^
So what happens if all of the governors pledge their support for Jonathan's presidential bid? They suddenly return to sainthood then, right? They get to keep their loot for as long as Jonathan (or whoever is president) wants to remain in office and they continue to give their support, right?
That is a very smart outcome for us. SMH. cry undecided undecided
PoliticsRe: Next President Should Be Ethnically Mixed by Onlytruth(m): 5:02am On Sep 09, 2010
TewMuch:
Wild guess. cheesy. Just try, you will be surprised by your intelligence. grin.

@ Tpiah, Which kain mix OBJ get? grin grin grin. Ijebu and Egba or whathuh huh huh shocked lipsrsealed
was your post a mistake or were you trying to be sarcastic? I think you are tired. cheesy
Anyway I suspect the guy is a hybrid between Ijebu and Egba! cool
PoliticsRe: Next President Should Be Ethnically Mixed by Onlytruth(m): 4:51am On Sep 09, 2010
TewMuch:
Guess? huh huh Dont tell me you dont know huh huh where have you been? Are you sure your not an alien? grin grin grin
Frankly I don't know. Please tell me. slightly apprehensive. cry
PoliticsRe: Next President Should Be Ethnically Mixed by Onlytruth(m): 4:44am On Sep 09, 2010
tpiah:
i think a few nigerian presidents have been ethnically mixed.


eg obj, gej and ibb, if the rumours are anything to go by.

however, sometimes its also about the first lady as well. Not sure it matters if they are mixed or not though it would seem so. Look at jerry rawlings, obama, etc.
What groups created Obj?
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 4:37am On Sep 09, 2010
^^
So where was the EFCC while the governors were stealing us blind? I'll tell you where. They were dining with Jonathan in Aso rock!
So, with PDP primaries around the corner and the governors sticking to zoning, the EFCC wakes up!

Are Nigerians this dumb? huh
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 4:26am On Sep 09, 2010
Omolulu:
this is really deja vu!! maybe Goodluck wud be more successful than Obj in intimidating opponents
grin
Good observation.
Oxymoron is Nigeria's second name. Why not be more successful in something positive. Why do our leaders only excel in dubiety?
PoliticsRe: Unfinished Greatness Of Awolowo by Onlytruth(m): 4:13am On Sep 09, 2010
MetalGong4:
The unfinished  greatness kleptocracy of Awo, the late finance minister, continues in hell . . . . .
grin grin grin grin grin
hehehe! lol.
PoliticsRe: 2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 2:43am On Sep 09, 2010
Obasanjo's third term gradually taking shape.  undecided
Politics2011 Poll Already Being Rigged by Onlytruth(op): 2:40am On Sep 09, 2010
[size=16pt]2011 poll already being rigged[/size]

Sep 9, 2010


By Ochereome Nnanna

THE rigging of elections is a more complex operation than meets the ordinary, untutored eye. The objective of rigging election is to ensure the processes are artificially orchestrated to result in the emergence of a particular, premeditated individual as the winner.

It entails placing obstacles in the way of those who are contesting against the favoured individual.

Election rigging is not just about the snatching of ballot boxes on polling day, or the thumb-printing of stolen electoral papers in the homes of party big wigs. It is not only about falsifying results for the favoured candidate, or the use of thugs to prevent the participation of the supporters of his opponents. These are the cruder, more bare-faced acts of election rigging.

The “finer” variants involve the use of state resources and agencies to force an outcome in favour of the premeditated candidate. During the eight years that Chief Olusegun Obasanjo contested elections, we saw it in full spate. We are beginning to notice signs that the strategy is being mobilised in favour of the undeclared presidential ambition of President Goodluck Jonathan.

During the 2003 and 2007 elections, the presidency applied delay tactics in the release of funds to the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC). The last-minute release of funds led to confusion and critical shortages of electoral materials. Happily, we cannot say the same thing for the INEC of today under Professor Attahiru Jega. It has received from the Federal Government all the money it requested in double quick time, though the presidency did raise suspicion when it briefly sat on the INEC request for funds.

One of the ways that the presidency under Obasanjo also tried to rig the election in favour of the late Alhaji Umaru Musa Yar’Adua, was to prevent some interested presidential aspirants from contesting the elections. He was able to stop Dr Peter Odili and a number of other strong aspirants from contesting the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) presidential primaries.

Obasanjo had also set up the Professor Ignatius Ayua administrative panel of inquiry to indict some aspirants based on the fact that they were being investigated by the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), then under the chairmanship of Malam Nuhu Ribadu.

However, this ploy flopped because the Nigerian Judiciary rose to the occasion and ensured those who sought redress in the courts of the land were not sent home disappointed.

As a result, former Vice President Atiku Abubakar was able to force his way to contest the presidency under the ticket of the Action Congress (AC), while other “indicted” contestants for the governorship seats, such as Rotimi Amaechi of Rivers, Chief Theodore Orji of Abia, among the others, also rode the chariot of court victories to thwart Obasanjo’s plots.

This time around, the presidency under Jonathan briefly toyed with the idea of raising the dust-covered Okigbo report on the spending of the Gulf War oil windfalls to stop former military president, Ibrahim Babangida, from contesting the presidency, which Jonathan is hotly eyeing in 2011.

Obviously, the Attorney General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Alhaji Mohammed Bello Adoke (SAN) decided to drop the idea, in view of the court victories of Atiku and company. Suddenly, government said it could not go to court against Babangida with the copy of the Okigbo report in its custody.

The pro-zoning PDP state governors have not been similarly spared. The EFCC has been let loose among them. Every single state being overrun by the Commission’s operatives are those not yet painted yellow (Jonathan’s colour) by ThisDay newspaper’s insightful “political trending” charts.

In other words, they are the states whose governors have not yet bought into the Jonathan presidential ambition because of their stand on zoning and other issues.

[b]EFCC says the charge of being used by the presidency to run after the President’s opponents is “blackmail”. That may be so, but it does not disprove the allegation. Some of these cases that Farida Waziri’s operatives are now huffing about are years old. The case of Amaechi’s men is of particular interest. It was reported over two years ago.

After only a brief play in the media the matter was laid to rest (as usual) until Dame Patience Jonathan returned from Rivers State where she had an open face-off with Governor Amaechi.

The following day, EFCC suddenly remembered the two-year-old case and pounced on Amaechi’s men. [/b]They also visited Imo, Jigawa, Bauchi and other states that have withheld their support for Jonathan.

Waziri’s newfound enthusiasm to fight corruption was a well packaged stimulus. Just a few weeks ago, kites were flown in the media that she was on the firing line. It was reported that foreign partners in the war on corruption felt she was unserious and incompetent. They would stop their financial assistance to the EFCC unless she was removed. Jonathan, who is eager to remain in the good books of the international community, seemed about to act. Names had been dropped as her possible replacements.

Then, suddenly, Waziri started copying the Nuhu Ribadu style of fighting corruption. She started making frequent, populist statements in the media, saying that she would ensure that corrupt politicians would never be elected. How she would achieve that she never told us. She chose to keep it “as a strategy”.

Then, just like Ribadu did, she unleashed her operatives on anti-Jonathan states, sparing states whose governors are for the president. Watch it. As soon as these governors start supporting the president, Waziri’s enthusiasm will cool again. You will say I told you!

When you intimidate those who do not believe in you to support you, you are already rigging an election. It is what the French love to call déjà vu. Already seen. It is Obasanjo all over again.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/09/09/2011-poll-already-being-rigged/
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Replaces Police Boss And Service Chiefs by Onlytruth(m): 12:39am On Sep 09, 2010
~Bluetooth:
Sounds like a calabar name to me . . .abi ?
Do you have a problem with that? Yes he is from that part.
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Replaces Police Boss And Service Chiefs by Onlytruth(m): 12:32am On Sep 09, 2010
For no reason at all I think I like the new SSS boss. It is time someone from that part of Nigeria held such position.
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Replaces Police Boss And Service Chiefs by Onlytruth(m): 12:30am On Sep 09, 2010
Onovo's removal was only a matter of time.

The moment he blamed Igbos for kidnapping instead of doing his job to arrest the crime, whatever political support he enjoyed from his fellow Igbos evaporated. He became an orphan. angry sad

I wondered how a man who managed to become an IG could be so foolish to make such statements.

Well, he should now stay in Abuja. sad

Overall, this was a strategic move by Jonathan to consolidate his power.
CultureRe: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by Onlytruth(m): 12:48am On Sep 08, 2010
Well, now the thread has been moved. Maybe the clannishness will stop. Sighs. undecided
CultureRe: The True Extent Of Alaigbo (Igboland) by Onlytruth(m): 12:47am On Sep 08, 2010
Quote from PhysicsQED

Quote from: PhysicsQED on Yesterday at 04:56:34 AM
"For example, the evolution of Port Harcourt, created in 1913, shows the arrival of Ibo settlers in 1937. The land was bought by the British from the Ikwerres. While the latter spent years trying unsuccessfully to reclaim their land from the government, while they never benefited from the city's phenomenal development, the Ibos became the major beneficiaries; by 1953, they constituted 80% of the population. In short, unlike other immigrant groups (Ogoni, Ibibio, Edo, Yoruba, Sierra-Leoneans), the Ibo took over control of the land, so much so that, in the 1949 Town Council elections, they won.
I should point out that I'm well aware that [/b]Ikwerres are really Igbos, whether they acknowledge it or not, but unlike some people (many Igbos) I know that historical competition like this between them and immigrant Igbos is one of the reasons they tried to distance themselves, so I'm not posting this quote to start any kind of pointless debate on whether they are really Igbos or whether Rivers is mostly Igbo, but to explain why it would be hard for people to fraternize with people who are dominating them[b], even if they are doing so through completely legitimate and innocent means.
Abagworo
1515 on: Yesterday at 05:21:01 AM
I would like to define Igbos being referred to here as the nri-awka-isoma-aro coalition.
@ezeagu.if you observe igbos well you will notice the "us" versus "them" syndrome in igboland.who are "them"?examples are the onitsha and ngwa.they are minorities inside majority.they feel bad that everything has been grabbed and they now lack the ability to compete with the northern and eastern igbo coalition.ebonyi and enugu peoples are generally easy going and still have very large expanse of land, that is why they seem to take the dominance in good faith.
from Udezue:

I am from Awka and I don't even understand what this silly fear of Anambra Igbo is all about. *hiss*
One minute I am defending the Aro and next I'm defending Awka-Anambra axis or whatever due to people and their unnecessary fear of other people's level of success.

Biko get like us or hush. One day another side of Igbo land will also rise and dominate more but I really don't get what the whole dominance thing is all about. Igbu wu Igbo to me so the success of the Nnewi is an Igbo success to me.
From Chinenye
The 'Us vs Them' issue is very much real, especially in regards to the northern coalition (Anambra Igbo) vs everyone else. Anyone familiar would no doubt understand what is meant by the 'northerner complex'. They just seem to behave somehow, and people know what I mean by that. Then (although not so much pronounced) there is the southern sentiment toward northerners. The 'Us vs Them' mentality is also present between Aba/Old Bende districts. Not so much pronounced now, but still existent is the 'Us vs Them' mentality present in Ngwa in relation to general Igbo politics.

Establishing autonomous provinces and having a parliamentary system could help work against that, because it is much more in line with our nature, as opposed to the current arrangement that we have now.

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