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Adighi agwa onye dara ibi ya amala aja. Omaa aja, ihe ohuru, o were!

You don't advise a man with scrotal elephantiasis to never scale over a fence. The consequences are self evident!

Kedu zi mgbe okwu Igbo a jiri we fee n'ihe gbasara otu? Nna ike gwuru umu nwoke o! 

Umu ada anyi ga ebidokwa ileda anyi anya.

O' g'eme kwa o!


[size=16pt]Igbo mma mma nu![/size]

amazonia:
@onlytruth,
                  The correct spelling is Amadi, like in Amadioha.
                   In Edo Oha mean forest/bush. Amadioha means
                   the brave one of the forest.Note the word oha is
                   the same with[b] egbo another Edo word for forest[/b],
                  a word from which Igbo was derived by conjugation.

I really think that "egbo" (since it means forest in Edo) must be from Yoruba word "Igbo" meaning forest/bush.

Nobody knows where the "Igbo" name came from in Igboland because it doesn't mean bush/forest in Igbo. Though some speculate it may be from an adulteration of "Hebrew" by earliest Igbo ancestors. Bottom line is that there is no agreement on that. Forest or bush in Igbo is "Ohia" or "Ofia", something completely different.

Igbo ekele m unu o!

Igbo mma mma nu o!

Igbo si na nnunu isi akaghi aka adighi aga ogu oturu kpo kpo.

A bird with a weak skull does not challenge the woodpecker to a fight. 


Ogwumagala si na ya agaghi eji maka na oku n'agba n'ikpa we chefuo ije ogaranya nna ya mubara ya

The chameleon said that he cannot jettison the majestic walking style he learned from his father just to escape a mere bush fire. 

asha 80:
By the way i have noticed that those from anambra axis always refer to towns while 'others' refer to villages and clans.why

That is why I was looking at it from the "groups" perspective. That way, everybody becomes big enough for representation.
Just my opinion though.

asha 80:
Actually i am talking about generating revenue to take care of its self.Like nnewi generating generating revenue to take care of nnewi.

i know i might be mixing up things.

Oh in that case, you don't have to worry about us. We have more than enough revenue to support ourselves. The residents of the town can generate enough funds to support the town. if we have an Igbo country, then, indigenes of the town can even sponsor the new nation.
We no dey play bros.

amazonia:
@ezeagu, you are not correct, the British consolidated the present day Nigeria from the natural inhabitants of this region. They did not create it .Also, life did not begin in Edo with the Benin empire. Anyway, that is neither here nor there. What i do know is that all Igbo, yoruba, and pre-Mohammedanism Arewa names, and deities are coded in Edo.These are not by coincidence.

Any proof of that? Can you post some here?

Frankly speaking, this would not have generated so much buzz if it weren't any big deal.

Don't let anyone fool you; this is a big deal. I'm not saying that it has solved all Igbo problems in Nigeria. It has only closed a gap. Now, next time an Igbo man aspires to be president, no one will look at him as if he lost his mind.

Nigeria has a history of coups, and 99% of them were staged by the army. This appointment shows trust. I wish my brother well on his new job. He needs to do it well.

asha 80:
guy wetin else you wan make we know  
If we must do this by town, then so be it, and all residents would then count. If we do same by "groups": Onicha (Ado), Nnewi (Anaedo), then so be it too. Don't mix things.  




i am talking about residennce not indegenship.if it is indegenship yes i agree that nnewi is larger.however if you talk about residence then that is where i disagree.

i am more interested in place of residence because a good number of those nnewi people that come home during christmas stay in places like lagos,onicha,ph,aba,kano etc.the thing here is if there was supposed to be a an igbo country where internally generated revenue (tax likely) is important a lot of those guys might likely not contribute to the development of nnewi unless voluntary donation(not reliable).

So how logical is the "group" thing? Let's have towns then. There is no town called Idemili. 

If we do this by towns, then, in Anambra state, only Onicha can generate more internal revenue than Nnewi, even today. And that will likely change as the industries in Nnewi finally take shape.

Andre Uweh:
In that case, Ogbaru should be part of Onicha then.

Have you ever met anyone from a town called Idemili?

I think the "group" thing is a good idea. I'll give an example.

If you pick someone from Obosi or Nkpor and ask where he is from, he would likely say his town and then add Idemili, not Onicha, though they share boundaries with Onicha. If you pick a person from Ukpor or Amichi, he would say he is from Nnewi first before his town. So what do you say to that? There are more towns claiming Nnewi or Anaedo than many groups on this map. That's just the way it is.

You have to identify people the way they want.

I see there is really a lot of ignorance about Nnewi on this thread. It seems as if industry and commerce has overshadowed everything else about Nnewi.

asha 80:
nnewi is geographically bigger than onicha but population wise i totally disagree.

You are wrong.

I'm not looking at it from the perspective of residence. I'm looking at it from indigeneship angle, which is what "groups" represent . You need to visit Onicha and Nnewi on a Christmas day to understand. If we are talking about the population of indigenes, Nnewi is bigger. We are looking at groups, eg, Idemili has many towns: Obosi, Alor, Nkpor, Ogidi, Abatete, Nnobi, etc.
Nnewi (Anaedo) has many towns too: Nnewi, Orifite, Ozubulu, ukpor, Amichi, Ezinifite, Ichi, etc. These are all inside Nnewi group.

Onicha is very small really.
Even if we do this by town only counting indigenes only, Nnewi is bigger in population than Onitsha.
The same flaw applies to all the other groups listed before.

If we must do this by town, then so be it, and all residents would then count. If we do same by "groups": Onicha (Ado), Nnewi (Anaedo), then so be it too. Don't mix things. 

ezeagu:
I have to laugh at that a little. The Igbo and Yoruba nations are at least 2000 years older than the word 'Edo'. The Edo people themselves trace their lineage back to the Yoruba and Ile-Ife is significantly involved in Edo kingship. The Igbo on the other hand have evidence of their existence dating back 6000 years ago, that's over 5000 years before the Benin Kingdom sprang out of the Yoruba. Some of the Hausa Fulani weren't even here 300 years ago, let alone having an Edo root, they don't even have Edo influence. Nigeria is a state made by the British, nothing more.

excanny:
PROFILE OF NIGERIA'S NEW ARMY CHIEF

I have a feeling that this guy fought as a child soldier in biafra. Just a thought!

Likely not. I have a cousin who was born in 1955, he never even left his mother's bosoms as the war raged.

In 1967, this new COAS was 11 years. Too young.

Dede1:
I have to say it have been a sad day perusing disingenuously luring and error-filled articles about the appointment of COAS. It is even a shameful exercise on the part of the authors in attempt to compare COAS to the position held by Ironsi as the GOC of the Nigerian armed forces.

All these mockery endeavors to make Ndigbo fall into a shallow pit of euphoria stem from unforgettable backstabs the forbearers of these hack writers gave to Ndigbo in 1966. Any Igbo person who falls for this political gimmick and unwanted salute from these vultures is an irredeemable fool.

The position of Ironsi as GOC of Nigeria armed forces can correctly be equated with the position of CDS (Chief of Defense Staff) which another Igbo chap is vacating. [/b]I guess it is unqualified ignorance that brought out these hack writers to paint the appointment of Maj Gen Ihiejirika red-rosy because the appointment was made by supposedly an Ijo that swelled the ranks of the southern Nigerians who joined the northern region in fight against Ndigbo 1967. I[b] guess the appointment of Dike to the position of CDS (Chief of Defense Staff) does not fly because it was made by a northerner. It is an insult to Ironsi, Nidgbo and military parlance to equate the position of COAS to GOC of Nigerian armed forces.

By the way, when Ironsi was the GOC of Nigerian armed forces there were positions of Army Chief of Staff and Naval Chief Staff including IG of police.

I noticed the error of mix up of chief of army staff (COAS) and general officer commanding (GOC)/CDS (Ironsi).

The point though is that in Nigeria, the CDS don't do much in terms of prevention of coups. 95% of the time, coups are conducted by army personnel who fall under the watch of the COAS.
So, in that sense, the chief of army staff (COAS)  is most strategic (though junior to the CDS). If you want to ensure that you are not toppled in a coup in Nigeria, you must take a close look at your choice of chief of army staff (COAS).
That is the point of this appointment. I don't think those in the know ever missed the point of this appointment.

So, in that context, Jonathan has demonstrated his trust of Ndigbo to protect him in office. I can't see it any other way.

bk.babe97y:
Same gloating yall did the day after Jan.15 1966! Dont u monkeys ever learn?

Goat if you noticed, NOBODY DIED.
Unless you will die because an Igboman took command of the army for the first time in 44 years. I will gladly hand you a rope. No apologies about that.  

mikeansy:
Onlytruth  and co, you guys should take this kind of rhetoric easy.

it does not hurt to treat others with respect whether you think you are on top or under.

I never abused anyone. I just stated facts as they are. I then cracked a joke about Efik man whipping people in line. Is that sacrilege? Meanwhile you know me by now that I don't withdraw statements.  

The man is securing himself in office the best way he knows. If I point that out, how does it become a rhetoric?

Truly baffled.  

EzeUche22:
Lets not get too ahead of ourselves.

I am happy just like the next Eastern man.

An Igbo man and an Ibibio man now hold such high positions. You know I am very happy.

I'm not getting ahead of myself, believe me. I only told the guy the truth. Heck it is even self evident.
I had to crack a little joke though. .

EzeUche22:
Onlytruth,

Lets be fair my brother, language is VERY important, but can we blame the Igbos, Yorubas and Hausa in the Diaspora who cannot speak their mother tongue. It is much harder for a child to learn a language outside of Nigeria.

This goes for many African families. Now my anger is directed at Igbos who cannot speak their language yet reside in either Lagos or Abuja. They have no excuse since there are plenty of Igbos who live there and converse in our language.

[b]I remember I was visiting my cousin and his family in Port Harcourt and when I was speaking Igbo to his children, they acted like I was speaking a foreign language. To my horror, my cousin said he doesn't want to teach his children much Igbo, because he thinks it was going to spoil their tongue. He wants them speaking perfect British English. [/b]That led to an argument and I do not think I am welcomed into his home anymore.

Ezeuche,

I have a perfect understanding of what you are saying! I've seen many of such stupidity too.

The funny thing is that if you conduct a rough survey of the number of Igbos who own land, buildings or any property worth something in Lagos, you will find that about 99% of them can speak Igbo. There is a reason for that.
Economic empowerment in Nigeria at the grass root level go by language.

The number one means of Igbo empowerment in Nigeria is through business loans (take my goods now, but pay later) and apprenticeship. You cannot get that if you cannot speak FLUENT (and sometimes deep) Igbo.

As for the difficulty of teaching a child Igbo, the parents don't think about the consequences of not teaching them.
They will wake up one day to find that their children are lagging other Igbo kids who can speak Igbo in terms of personal achievements, focus, discipline and sanity of mind.

An Igbo kid who cannot speak Igbo will most likely only seek paid employment. What distinguishes an Igbo in the Nigerian business terrain is his control of the fundamental economy. You cannot do that in (in the context of Igbo dominance) English.

So, a parent should consider teaching of Igbo to his/her kids as important as teaching them Maths, English, Physics and Chemistry. That is if you want to give your child that added edge.

If a parent understands these things, believe me, they will find a way to teach them even if they live in Siberia.

~Bluetooth:
It's just a sign of insecurity if he actually considered what you just wrote up here. .[b]during obj regime that was even hotter than this,the appointment still has a larger percent of time that was given to the northerner.what is the sense in having a coas that is loyal to the president when a large number of his batallion does not regard him [/b]simply because he's not from the north.what he should have done was to have a northerner in those places and exert his command on such person as the commander in chief of the armed forces.

Obj gave his top command position to Azazi (an Ijaw man as Army chief) and "middle belters" most of who he had worked with in the military. Don't forget Obj is from a majority tribe in Nigeria. You cannot ignore that.

As for the larger number of NCOs and junior officers being northerners, it doesn't take that to stop Nigeria from disintegrating. All it takes is a common Igbo/Ijaw/Ibibio front, and Nigeria will become toast.
So, don't go that far.

Jonathan is like a tse tse fly on the scrotum.

~Bluetooth:
I guess he's going to move all those military installations to Nnewi or Aba.don't be too happy over nothing,the appointment is just one of the usual political gimmicks of pdp to bring the ibo closer to voting for jonathan.it's like giving a bone to a dog.

Okay, let me say this.

Frankly I believe that the Igbo "masses" will always vote for Jonathan irrespective of his moves. The Igbo elite may not, irrespective of anything.

I really think that Jonathan is positioning the security of the country to be able to protect him in office. He is also making a subtle statement with this. He is saying that either you allow him to continue in office (frankly I think he will win next year by hook or crook ), or Nigeria will likely disintegrate. He has a guy from the biggest tribe in the east protecting his rear. Don't believe that he did not see someone from south south to give this post to.
But if he does that, is the person and the person's tribe big enough to protect him? That is the question.

Even if the north would have moved against him by hook or crook, they would think twice now that they have to pass through this Igbo guy. Now, throw in this Efik/Ibibio guy manning the SSS, and the picture becomes clear. I can go on.

This is a self preservation move by Jonathan, masterfully executed.

If you haven't noticed, that is what Jonathan is saying indirectly. He is saying these:

Ijaw man will remain the president
Igboman will protect that presidency
Efik/Ibibio man will whip you in line.

It is time for the East to rule! 

safariman:
Hopefully, we'll never run into "I cannot obey your command" because you are not of the Fulani-Hausa region

Then that'll mean the end of Nigeria for sure.

~Bluetooth:
Wetin happen na ? That was 44 years ago.[b]i guess the government waited for ibo soldiers that experienced the biafra war to retire first before thinking of appointing ibo with nigeria mind [/b]as the chief of army staff.

And you think that there is ever an Igbo without a Biafra mind? We may not act on it, but we ALWAYS have it in mind.
If (when ) Nigeria fails, we have something real to fall back to.

safariman:
Did we know which side he fought for during the civil war or he was not in the force then?

I don't think he had joined the army by then.

Jakumo:
That pastor has very good reason to laugh aboard his private jet, since that luxury transportation was purchased by a grand fleecing of the flock, who would happily starve to death just so their Big Daddy can live it up like a king of the universe.

. lol. Talk of golden fleece.

mikeansy:
I think Nigeria has more reasons to celebrate than Ndigbo.

As an Igbo person it does nothing specially to my pocket or personal security that Ihejirika was appointed COAS.
However for Nigeria, a country that likes to make so much noise about wanting to be ONE and yet has systematically prevented this from happening for 44years. An act which I consider as an empathy deficit and a burden on the conscience of the Nigerian nation.

It was always up to Nigeria to prove to Ndigbo that they have outgrown some ridiculous prejudices against Ndigbo.

So I say it is for Nigeria to celebrate its long and belated ability to grow up after a shameful 44years.

We will now see that it practically makes no difference on our everyday problems of electricity, hunger, poverty, lack of basic amenities, security etc if the COAS is Dambazua or Azazi or Ihejirika.

I was thinking exactly the same things!
It is left for Nigeria to prove to us that the war is over, and this is just a tiny token. We are still waiting for the real deal.

Ikengawo:
what are you going to speak igbo in lagos for? if they dont know igbo their parents, like most igbo parents outside of their village, didn't speak igbo to them, its their fault.

in the end of the day tribalism isn't getting you anywhere, nigerias national language is english, speaking igbo or yoruba is just for show cause english connects you with the world and with the nation.

let the ones in the east shake their head, lol, who cares. If you go to the east, everyone will forget igbo to talk to you. lets stop all this tribal sentiment and get real, nigeria is not an igbo speaking nation.

I had to address all the bolded directly. Is this guy a Nigerian at all? What has he ever tried to achieve in Nigeria in: jobs, business, dealing with authority, etc? 

For non-Nigerians on this forum, please hear this clearly to understand this guy's delusions.
If you cannot speak one of the major Nigerian languages, you cannot go far in Nigeria: Simple fact.
Igbo man cannot go far in business deal with you if you cannot speak Igbo, and sometimes you even need to speak a dialect of Igbo to be given concessions in certain business deals. I speak from first hand experience.  

The same applies to things like politics. If you cannot speak Hausa, you cannot go far in certain political maneuvers.

Nigeria's judiciary and some banking business used to be controlled by the Yoruba and you need to speak Yoruba to break into certain deals. Even the Nigerian police and law enforcement will need you to speak the language of the boss to make headway.

This lesson is for you stoopid parents who born and raise their kids without teaching them a Nigerian language.

YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR KIDS FUTURE IN NIGERIA IF YOU DON'T TEACH HIM/HER ONE LOCAL LANGUAGE.

People these days pretend more and say things like "I be naija boy". Wait until you need a job or a business loan or a break. Come back and tell me your experience then!  

Dede1:
Granted Ikengawo is poor by all aspect of the word so I would not request him/her to attempt to purchase a plot of land in Lagos. He or she must be extremely lucky to accomplish such a task even with a truck load of money because of his/her ethnicity.

If virtues had to give way to stupidity and chaos takes the place of peace in Nigeria, I bet Ikengawo would be among the escapees trekking back to his/her ethnic domain. It is pure delusional for anybody to forget the composition of the society he/she belongs.

lol. Ikengawo reminds me of this video I watched chronicling the onset of the 1966 crisis and the subsequent civil war. Some guy who I suspect was from Igbo or Calabar/Akwa Ibom axis was lamenting that he had to leave Lagos after living there for 15 years. Mind you those days were far more tolerant than now. Ordinary people weren't armed then.
You can't stop anyone from enjoying self delusion. It can be intoxicating sometimes. Have you ever tried rehabilitating a drug addict?

I really think there is a BIG information gap on ana edo (Anaedo) Nnewi group here and I'm baffled by the omission.

Meanwhile enjoy!

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asha 80:
Population wise 

Population wise and land wise. 

Onicha is really small. I grew up there so I know.