₦airaland Forum

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You still haven't answered my questions:

Onlytruth:
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Wasn't there 450 tribes in Nigeria in 1999?

[size=16pt]How come only Yoruba was contesting the presidency in 1999?![/size] 

excanny:
Nah nah nah. I dont believe you. Be specific with proofs of such swagga and I'll give you scores of Igbo men wey such swagga dey over worry. Igbo men just have a different kind of swagga. You only need to do one thing- find out.

I'm yet to see any woman from a different tribe that left an Igbo man after having a taste. In fact what I have even noticed is that once a woman has been with an Igbo man, she finds it EXTREMELY hard to look elsewhere. All her future lovers would likely be Igbo. And I mean women from ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD.

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Wasn't there 450 tribes in Nigeria in 1999?

How come only Yoruba was contesting the presidency in 1999?!

KnowAll:
[size=14pt]I am speaking for the 450+ tribes in Nigeria. The election of the post of the Presidency cannot be limited and ruduced to ONLY a bundle of unsavory public servants in 5 SE States that would be Kleptocracy not Democracy.  [/size]

[size=18pt]But it was reduced to 6 south west states in 1999, right?[/size]
And above all, it boiled down to 2 Yoruba thieves, one of who ended up being president for 8 solid years!
On his watch, $16 billion was stolen from the power projects.
You people are incorrigible.

Talk of a sanctimonious thief. 

KnowAll:
[size=14pt]The Igbo's would not clinch any Presidency at anytime in our history if they chose to play politics as if they are in relay race. Passing the baton Poltics is unheard off and stuff of Kindergaten or pre-school politics, that Bullsh*t that IBB is saying is inconceivable and inpracticaible.

Does the Igbo think the Yoruba's, Edo's, Igala's,Hausa/Fulani's and the Beroms would fold their arms while the most coveted sit in the nation is giving to them on a platter of gold without a fight, unless the Igbo's can come out with a clean and sincere candidate who have not gotten a corruption plague hanging over his neck, it is then one can think of that possiblity, that kind of personalty is thin on the ground in the SE, WHY hand over the Presidency to ANYONE of those established rogues parading themselves as a potential VP to IBB.

What the Igbo's should do is look for someone savvy enough that can play politics the way guile and smart politicians have played politics all over the world. This cry baby attitude would not cut it in Nigeria now or in the future. The Igbo's had better learn to walk, playing the victim in a war is not good enough reason why every other tribe in the land would put their own and collective ambition of their people on hold so as to appease the Igbo's.

The Igbo's can climb the roof top and shout out to all that Biafra is the only way out for them since they have being denied the Presidency, that would not move anyone, they should learn to play poltics the way it has always being played one day it would be their turn being obsess with the Presidency would not cut it.

Ribadu is not a Yoruba man and I can categorically say he would get more votes amongst the Younger Yorubas if he runs head to head against Jonathan. Why is he popular in the SW, BECAUSE he is passionate about a cause which a lot of people can identify themselves with.[/size]

I once advised you to change your name from Know all to know nothing, because frankly the above post shows how little you know about Nigeria.
Meanwhile stop this your "let the best win" bullcrap because it never happened in Nigeria.
Was Olu Falae and Obasanjo the best Nigerians to contest in 1999?
Bloody hypocrite.

koruji:
@Brownteeth
Well, this is where short-sighted and completely selfish and shameless leaders lead a country.

You have painted a scenario that extends from here to 2019, while you don't even know what will happen to Nigeria in January for sure.

Here is another scenario for you that is just as scary: Jonathan is disallowed from contesting or it becomes obvious that his loss is a gang-up by a section of the nation. Niger-Delta militancy reaches the point of no return. For a good example, Southern Sudan is about to secede based on the same kind of issues - believe me this is where Nigeria will head.

And another scenario - the election of Jan. 2011 becomes unusually controversial and violent, Boko Haram steps in, Niger-Delta militants steps, OPC steps, Biafra re-emerges or even worse the military thinks it see an advantage and steps in. The only question under this scenario is how many pieces of Nigeria do you want?

The best answer is to have an issue based election, and then raise a mighty campaign that forces the issue of true Federalism on whoever wins the election!

I wouldn't worry too much about the so called Niger delta militants. They can't do anything to Nigeria if Igbos don't support them.
But you better be afraid of what Igbos will do to Nigeria if it becomes obvious to us that we cannot produce a Nigerian president even as the single largest tribe in Nigeria.
That is what you should worry about.
Even northerners know this.

I have handled this issue before and I will restate my position.
Breaches of agreements have played critical roles in most of Nigeria's crisis. The north and their yoruba allies trashed the Aburi Accord in 1967 and that led to war.
IBB annulled Abiola's victory after promising to hand over to the winner of the 1993 elections. That decision created a crisis.
It is unfortunate, but the north has enjoyed most of the breach of agreements through the years. It would seem a good idea to give them a little dose of their own betrayal and treachery.

My concern now is how to secure Igbo interests in Nigeria.

That is why Ohanaeze's guidance is pivotal.

Dede1:
Bros, I have nothing against Ohanaeze but heard it is strictly regulated by membership clause. Does it mean any Igbo person is a member?  If membership clause exists in Ohanaeze which to my knowledge I am not a member and do not contribute to its deliberations, how could it dictate to me which candidate to cast my vote?


I am not privy to PDP constitution or a member of any of the party’s working committee. However, I have been resourcefully informed that 7-2 C deals with rotation of the office of Nigerian president between south and north of the country.

Thanks Dede1 for pointing this out.

There is no rotation by geo-political zones. It is by north and south. Anyone from the north can contest as anyone from the south when it rotates south.

slap1:
(1)Nwoke na anyu mamiri ji ihe n'aka. (2)

Ihe nwoke na eme jide amu ya aka siri ike.

lmao!  ajo nwa!

(3) O buru na amu anwughi osiso, o ga eririri ihe gbara aji.

nwokem a e? Nna ijemiela o!

ajo nwa so owere ba nne ya afo!  

Ileke-IdI:
Wait, lemme take a minute to laugh at this

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAA AHAHAHAHHA!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Thanks for the laughs dear
LMAO!!!! Oh slugger, you're really cute when you try to be serious. ahahah

I said I couldnt marry a Non-Yoruba man, which includes Igbo men duh.

I'm not into that inter-tribal thing. Doesnt make me a tribalist, just my preference. Just like YOU dont want to marry a Fat chik.

lol. Spot on.

A carmel will have to pass through the eye of a needle before someone like myself dreams of marrying outside Igboland. Just my preference. How can I spend a whole day without speaking Igbo? Strange stuff.

Andre Uweh:
Today one Igbo group is supporting GEJ, another day it is the North.
It is only Uwaechue led Oha na eze Ndi Igbo that that will determine where Ndigbo stand at this imbroglio.
If Air-raid Joe Achuzie is till in control, he would have taken a stand.
Amb Uwaechue--Please take a stand, Sir.

The whole thing is becoming dizzying. But I see the gist of this article though. It is clear enough. I am not at home, but my senior brother who is, swears he is voting a northerner (the name of whom I won't mention). He was so final about it that I was baffled. So, I would like the Igbo guys at home (in the south east) to speak up more on this.

How I miss Afam!

Blame Sanusi for this.

Isn't it even self evident. This rating is indirectly based on performance of the financial institutions, really, eg, the level of investment funded by banks of course. Under Soludo, those institutions provided the impetus for growth and expansion, and was beginning to fund the real sector.
Under Sanusis premature puritanical policies, confidence collapsed and banks became defensive instead of offensive in funding the economy. The rest is history. Nigeria has so much money coming in daily. What it needs is proper bullish policy foresight and envisioning led by the CBN and the banks to jumpstart the economy once again.
I lamented Soludo's removal. I'm still baffled that people don't see the idiocy of that move.

ChinenyeN:
Igbo nma nma nu. Kelewa nu. A turu m ilulu nke ekweghi m nghota. O bu, "cat* na-egwu ala, na-aga toilet*". Unu gbaghara m. Amaghi m ihe "cat" ma "toilet" putara ma o nwere onye nwere ike ikowa ilulu nke a?

Ndeewo nu. Jidekwanu nke unu ji.

Chinenye, I'm happy that you are trying to get up to speed with your Igbo. Good job.

Andre Uweh:
@Onlytruth, Ilu gi a bu kajard.
Enwekwere ilu ozo ana eji Nshiko atu: Nshiko si egwuruegwu wuru Ichife ya aka azu, onye egwushila ya. The crab says that if play involves twisting of arms, no one should involve the crab.

lol!

Nke a kajakwara akaja!

Aloy+Emeka:
Ijebu Ode is the capital of juju and witchcraft in Africa and would have been the world capital save for Haiti. Also, jujuism is engraved in Yoruba culture and that is why it proliferates more in Yoruba land. Check the number of spiritualists, pastors, babalawos, etc churned out from Yorubaland yearly and compare with other tribes.
It is very normal to find a 20 yr old Hausa/ Igbo/Ijaw/Efik, etc boy or girl who has no clue of juju or how it works but it will be very rare to find such in Yorubaland.

It is very rare to find Igbo/Ijaw/Hausa/Ibibio etc women who give their married daughters juju to plant in their husbands home even when there is no cause for alarm but that behavior is not rare in Yorubaland. More likely than not, a Yoruba wife will receive juju  no matter how harmless from her mother for further protection even if she lives in UK, US or New Zealand.

Well, Aloy, I take correction! Yikes!

I guess I can't say more then.

Aloy+Emeka:
Sorry homeboy that you can't do nada about it. Several Igbo families do the same too when they see their son or daughter messing romantically  with Yorubas. May be you need to tell us why many Igbos believe that every Yoruba person is diabolic and can poison you on contact. I have also noticed that Igbos who live in Igbo land are surprisingly less tribalistic than Igbos who live with other tribes in non Igbo land. The ones who live in Igboland just don't care about any tribe and they rarely speak ill of other tribes.

lol. @ Alloy

The bolded can be very easily explained.

Igbos are NOT intrinsically tribalistic. Most of the time, we are reactive of tribalism. We don't initiate it, but are likely to reciprocate.

The Igbos in Igboland don't witness tribalism on a daily basis from other Nigerians, because those Nigerians can't do that in Igboland. Now, cross over to their own side and those same Nigerians become tribal monsters.

Let me throw in this rough prognosis: A Yoruba extended family is more likely to diabolically kill an Igbo women married to a Yoruba man, than an Igbo family killing a Yoruba woman same way. That is why it is safer for an Igbo man to marry a Yoruba woman than the other way round. Much of the reason lies in the extended family (wives, babymamas, etc) role in the issue.

An Igbo man will likely marry only one wife, and so, even if the family hates her, they would eventually get used to accepting the inevitable and resigning their fates with her. You can't kill a man's only wife.

Now, if he has more than one, well, anything can happen, even in Igboland too.

I guess what I'm really saying is this: Do it if you can secure these conditions:

(1) If you are sure of the man's family, e.g, they are ALL staunched Christians (pentecostal) , up to extended families -uncles, aunties etc.


(2) If you are sure that you can tie the man down to marry only you.
Now, I don't care how you do that!  

If you are not sure of both conditions, run for cover!

Ileke-IdI:
Naw, I was born in Ekiti state lol.
Thanks to Nollywood, I know some.

Exactly. I fear, seriously. I wont take such from any "were" who wants to humiliate and disrespect me by bringing home a hooligan baby mama he impregnated.

Can perfectly understand that.

tpiah:
hmm, well, regardless which tribe the woman is from, once you enter a polygamous marriage as an extra wife, na so so wahala.

even if everyone is the marriage is from the same tribe.

Exactly my point.

Being from a different tribe creates one big problem; add polygamy, the problem becomes exponential.

Ileke-IdI:
Onlytruth, are insulting me?

I am hurt, no jokes.

Calm down ileke. You know say me and you dey cool.

But frankly, were you born in the states? How did you know about woman going to village to collect juju?
Na only proper naija babe dey sabi dat kain tin.

tpiah:
not necessarily. Besides, voodoo isnt always about killing off your rival/s (because that might throw unwanted suspicion on you) but can be about destroying their lives in other ways.




s[b]o how do you explain the polygamous marriages of yesteryears with 90% of the wives living to old age[/b]?

If all the wives engaged in killing each other off all the time, they'd simply get a reputation as witches.

most people used other ways to bell the cat, so to speak.

Once another tribe woman enters the marriages, it is a different ball game. It becomes "dis Omo Ibo" woman, I go show am pepper!

Ileke-IdI:
And the women dont also do juju? Knowing how promiscuous Nigerian men [esp Yoruba men] are, she might go to her village to get juju on him.

You dont cope. . . . You move on. DIVORCE HIM.  Isnt divorce easy in Naija? Or simply move out of his house.

You defend yourself by staying close to God. With God as your savior, no evil shall come near you. I've been told to not fear juju because they cant affect me and that they're not real. but. . . . lol

You see what I meant by "being prepared before you cross the line" to cope? How many of these ajebotas know this fact? Na only society ladies for naija know dis kain tin o.

All these American and British born kids have no clue.  

tpiah:
as far as I know, voodoo is everywhere, not only in yorubaland.

so not marrying yoruba doesnt protect anyone from voodoo.

Yes I know, but your chance of dying from it reduces drastically if you are the only wife. Basically the family sees you as the man's other half.

Once another enters, all bets are off!

Ileke-IdI:
Yea, I get what you're saying and I fully support the "be careful" warning.
My mom that has never been tribal before surprised me a few days ago. She advised me not to bring a non-yoruba man home [not that I intend to anywaz], esp Igbo men because of their hate for the Yoruba people. She said that nothing can separate an Igbo man from his mother, that even if the man loves his wife, the mother would control the marriage. At the end, the woman suffers the most.

In any inter-tribal marriage, the woman carries the burnt the most. The man has authority to protect his wife in their marriage [ell some men], and can let his family know that she's his closest kin.

My own lil advice, love aint even up to 10% of a marriage. If you can avoid it, plz avoid inter-tribal marriage. 

Bottom line.

And I agree that women bear more of the brunt of an inter-tribal marriage. Love ain't all in marriage. There is so much more involved!

Assuming your guy is otherwise a good man, how do you cope with ending up in an unplanned polygamous home?

How do you defend against voodoo from your husband's relations and women?

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Error fixed. Highly technical proverb.

Nshiko si na ogo ya na chi ya yoro ya oru otu mgbe, o hapu nke chi ya gaa nke ogo ya, chi ya ewere ndu ya. O hapu nke ogo ya gaa nke chi ya, ogo ya akporo nwunye ya. O wee buru isi n'abo.

The crab said that both his god and his in-law requested his help with their farm works simultaneously.
If he abandons his god's farm work for his in-law's, his god will take his life, 
if he abandons his in-laws farm work for his god's, his in-law will take his wife.
So, he developed both sides of himself to work either way, a little here, a little there.

I can understand the need for symbiosis in the Yoruba man/ Igbo woman relationship because Igbo man is busy marrying only Igbo women. Since there are more women than men in Igboland, the left over is naturally snatched up by Yoruba folks or whoever is interested. 

You can sense that I am not a blind supporter of inter-tribal marriages, because most people go in "uninformed" about what will inevitably happen. If you must do it, just beware, cos it could very well lead to your death. I lost a distant auntie this way to some "edoid" tribe. She died very young (at 32) from some non-descript sickness. The diagnosis kept changing until she gave up the ghost.

Intertribal marriages are often "exotic" and "sensational" at the beginning stages, but, by the time anyone learns the truth, it would be too late.

Let me throw in a little anecdote to illustrate my point. A Yoruba friend of mine whose father married 5 women told me how his dad did it, 'cos I was frankly baffled. Meanwhile his dad is a very educated man with a P.HD in science and a law degree

The father never argued with any of his wives. The day he decided to add a second wife, he simply went and impregnated another lady. When the wife found out, he simply said,"well, what can I do?". He rented a flat for her and she became his second wife. And so on and so on. . . until his libido reduced naturally due to age and he stopped at the 5th wife.

The other thing any Igbo lady marrying a Yoruba man should be prepared for is juju. The man may be a good man, but he still has his relations. And if you escaped his relation's juju, you will not likely escape his other wives (or baby mamas) juju. So, be prepared for that. And they don't understand that you were born in America or London and therefore don't understand juju. Well, tough luck with that!

So, have these points in mind as you enjoy "love and romance". Just know where to draw the line. But if you decide to cross that line, be well prepared.  I hope this helps someone make an informed decision.
A word is enough for the wise.

agabaI23:
Ee nwoke oma a ma m na otu na-elu gi ilu. Narakwa m ekelekwa
Ihe kere mmadu mara na otu ga-ese okwu, o kecha ya kpuchie ya aji.

hehehe!

agabaI23:
Ichie imi anwuru mere gawa makana mgbe onye tetara bu gboo.

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Nwoke akpiri otu, were kwa ekele o! 

agabaI23:
Otu O bu asusu bekee ka o bu okwu mbite? Otu bu asusu Igbo

Unu emezila melemele n'iru kwapimti n'azu

Nwanne, i na aghotahie m.

Igbo si na "nkita nile n'eri nsi, mana nke richaa buru n'onu, akpo ya "ori nsi"!

Onwere nwoke n'adighi eme ihe nwanyi 

Ihe m n'ekwu bu ka anyi wepu udiri nkata ahu ebe a, maka ihe ofudu, -umu aka na umu ada anyi ndi n'etoghi n'ala Igbo.
Ka ha hapu iche na obu otu a ka ihe nracha si ami. 

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Nwokem ahuru m na umu aka n'enye gi nsugbo. Ichere na enwere m efe ebe a? Oburu na ihe anyi biara ebe a ime bu ikpari onwe anyi, kedu ihe anyi ji asi na ndi ozo kporo anyi asi?

Ahuru m na anya ufu na anya oku apubeghi ufodu n'ime anyi n'aru. 

Ya diba kene.

Ajukwaa m ozo, ebe ka ndi ichie nairaland no? Apu kwaa m ebe a! 

Ibe anyi ekele kwa m ozo o!

O buzi soso m n'atu ilu n'ebe a. Ebee ka ndi ichie ibem no?

Nsogbu adighi.


Igbo si na ihe dibia n'agwo bu ka o ha na nso, maka na dibia adighi agwo ala eri ozu!

A dibia (doctor) can only cure some sicknesses sometimes. A dibia can never ultimately stop a corpse from going into the ground.

Translated more - A doctor can only treat some sickness sometimes. A doctor can never treat all sicknesses all the time!