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paddy_lo:
again u are confusing issues.  ,

[b]USA GDP is $14 Trillion dollars

In yr 2009 USA Tax reciepts was only $2Trillion dollars

so taxes or Govt spending does not equal GDP. . .Nigerians are so funny
u guys instinctively focus on Govt anytime the economy is mentioned. .

The barber,Small scale trader,mechanic,Farmer and so on have nothing to do with Govt spending but are a part of your GDP
Just like in the USA,services form 70% of GDP,Exports is only 5% or so.  .
In our case exports(which is 90% oil),constitutes 16% of GDP.  .why is it so hard for u cats to understand

I will make it simple. . GDP is the total value of the Goods and Services Produced in an Economy in 1 yr Measured in Dollars
Oil production is just a part of it.  .and a small part at that. . [/b]

Nobody equated GDP with tax revenues. At least I didn't. However, notice that the US example you posted made perfect sense: tax is approximately at 14% of the GDP. You can decide to take a closer look and to isolate sectors by their contribution to the tax revenues. That would make a more interesting finding!

My argument is that there is no other single sector that contributes more to Nigeria's tax revenue (and by implication GDP) than the oil industry.
And if that is the case, who cares about what other sectors contribute, especially since they are not reliably verifiable?
The money being shared by the government is the issue. Where are they coming from?

Is it oil or agriculture? Methinks it is oil.  

Lagos mosquitoes are the most aggressive mosquitoes in Africa! They are even immune to insecticides now. Spray them and they play dead for a few hours, only to wake up when you fall asleep to teach you the lesson of your life!

Fear of Lagos mosquito = beginning of wisdom!

mens dept:
The last time I went to Naija, years back that is, I couldnt stand Lagos, and preferred the comfort and quiet of the East.

Now that I've returned from Naija, its the complete opposite.

See ah', breaking the country up isnt the solution, or rather, wont end the corruption and poverty, and may infact create a worse situation. Look at the East, the leaders do as they want and dont even see a common Eastern Mandate.

Look at all the police checkpoints once you enter Onitsha, all the way to Aba, yet going back towards Bini/Lagos, NONE.

If we are considering a breakup, then it must also include a total and complete revolution flushing out silly leaders and a culture that tolerates it.

A simple well trained and well equipped police force (not one created by quota system and federal character) would easily arrest the security situation in the East if all the buck stops in the East. You should know that.
The silly leaders would have to account to us in the East, not a criminal center where "come and eat" is the chief accountant.

sjeezy8:
Our untapped Oil reserves are off the coast of Lagos, Ogun, Ondo states(onshore ilaje).
We dont have swamps or mangroves
We dont have religous clashes
We have an active civil society
We dont have militants
[size=16pt]We have less mosquitos[/size]
Good agriculture

Did you say the west has less mosquitoes?  
Have you seen a Lagos mosquito lately?

Anyway, I'm again (for the umpteenth time)  re-watching the Nigeria -Greece match and I'm pissed as hell.

There is no way a Biafran team would have lost that match. Absolutely no way!

ADint:
The figures are indeed more or less correct. Government revenues are based predominantly on tax (and royalties). Tax is only due on profits made and not revenue. The oil industry generates very huge profits on its revenue and thus brings in a disproportionately high amount of tax revenues compared to other sectors of the economy. The agricultural sector in Nigeria that accounts for over 40% of the GDP barely just covers its cost, leaving a small pittance for the millions of small farmers and their families to live on; hence this sector produces very minimal tax revenues.

A good example would be Ford Motor Company and Microsoft:

Last year Ford had revenues of $118 billion and profits of $3 billion.
Microsoft in the same year had revenues of $58 billion and profits of $15 billion.

Microsoft with about half of Ford’s revenues produces 5 times the profits of Ford and subsequently would generate for the various US govts. about 5 times the tax revenues as Ford.

Nigeria’s oil industry in this instance can be likened to ‘Microsoft’ and the agricultural and other sectors ‘Ford’.

Thank you for attempting to answer this question, but I'm still not convinced. Here's why:

Normally, your analysis would hold true in a country with accurate and publicly available statistics, one which is normally collected at the point of taxation, once every year.

Here in the US for example, once every year, every "entity" -individuals and corporations, are legally mandated to file their annual income and taxation statement with the Internal revenue service (IRS). From the information collected, you can make a lot of findings about income and taxes nationally. Any entity that fails to file that statement, or gives false information is criminally held liable by the IRS. The last time I checked, there is no such thing in Nigeria.
So how did the government reach the conclusion that agriculture contributes more to the Nigerian GDP? What information or statistics support such findings? Is the information publicly available (someone published Obama's tax returns for 2007)?
I bet you that this agriculture hoax is part of the northern schemes to show that the north contributes more to Nigeria's GDP than oil. This is a lie. The lie follows the same pattern of other lies, eg. the north has more land mass, therefore more population. The north has more land mass therefore more agricultural production. The lie started with the pre-independence rigged census in favor of the north.
So, until someone shows me the billions of dollars that come out of agriculture in Nigeria, I remain deeply skeptical.
Show me a tax statement by the agriculture establishment.
I know that oil contributed up to $70 billion in 2006, can anyone tell me that agriculture contributed that much to the GDP? Again I doubt that!
We can even take inventory of all the oil industry infrastructure -assets and investments in Nigeria; why can't we do that for agriculture? Or is transparency alien to agriculture?

paddy_lo:
Final time i am posting this Chart so u can get it into your thick skull. . olodo rabata
Its not everything u have to comment on. . stick to Politics,romance and Tribalism section  

https://www.theafricareport.com/images/stories/TAR/19/Nigeria%20graphs.jpg

paddy_lo

I followed the argument between you and Beaf; it was interesting.

While I was going through your interesting statistical charts, the wise words of the late Dr Chuba Okadigbo during the second republic (when he was Shagari's adviser) quickly came to mind.

He said and I quote, "Statistics is like the bikini. What it reveals is interesting, but it is what it does not reveal that is intriguing". 

Could it be true that oil only contributes about 16% to the Nigerian GDP? I truly pray! Though practical things about
Nigeria seriously challenge that.

Can anyone show me statistics about federal government sources of revenues - total tax amount, sources of tax and rates of taxation?

If oil contributes more than any other sector in tax revenues, then it can be reasonably assumed that oil contributes more to the GDP; afterall, is the GDP existing in isolation of the FG taxation?

Critical thinking or analytical reasoning is required here to get to the truth.

I cannot be intimated or hoodwinked with statistics.

Heck, I can come up with mine! 

Abagworo:
Jonathan is the current President, isn't that good enough anymore?


yes it is.he should finish his two remaining terms till 2019,after which the south east will take over till 2027 and then to midwest till 2035.

That's more like it.

In fact that is the only thing that would make sense if fairness is to be maintained. The other regions have ruled for 40 years. This is our chance!

And by the way, I really believe that if Jonathan decides to run and win next year's elections, he can pull it off with relative ease. In fact, Jonathan can rule Nigeria longer than any other previous leaders if he develops the balls.
The presidential system designed by the north, which was never intended to fall into southern hands, makes this possible.
All that Jonathan needs is to "be strong and of good courage". He is strategically positioned by virtue of his office and sectional origin to mold Nigeria any way he chooses.

I can see that Jonathan's presidential bid is just what the doctor ordered for Nigeria, 40 years after the war.

Never thought this would be so challenging even to the political sages of the north. I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

By the time Jonathan is done, half of Nigeria's problems would be solved.


The Nigeria that will come after Jonathan would amaze and intimidate all the regions which have misruled Nigeria since after the war.

My support for Jonathan is increasing exponentially.

Beaf:
I know of a guy like you from Port Harcourt that was just told to go and pack his things and leave. . . For no reason! Last I heard, he was a lecturer.
Heart rending things are happening in Nigeria.

I really wish that all southerners would see this for what it is -a sustained attempt to dominate the south militarily. In that scenario, the north would rule in perpetuity by hook or crook. That is why this must be resisted.

sjeezy8:
Then you should also wonder why journalist around the world analyze situations in other countries without stepping foot in them. Dik head

and[b] I also no enough SS folks to know that they want their own countries or homogenous states in One Nigeria[/b]-

Disintegration = Your worst fear! Na wa o! lmao! 

Go tell your aboki friends to change or else this country will definitely disintegrate even if into 1000 pieces. 

I'm really beginning to like Jonathan more with each decision he makes. He seems to understand his priorities.

Good one bro Jona!

If you continue this way, all you need is to win the PDP primaries and you will definitely win the presidency next year. 

No shaking!

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INEC job: Jonathan drops PDP members[/size]

ABUJA—PRESIDENT Goodluck Jonathan said, yesterday, that some of the names he submitted to the Senate for screening and subsequent clearance as Commissioners of the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, would be withdrawn.

Speaking at the 51st National Executive Committee, NEC, meeting of the Peoples’ Democratic Party, PDP, President Jonathan said: “For that reason I promised Nigerians and the whole world that in 2011, we will conduct free and fair elections. For that reason anybody that will be in INEC should be somebody that should be above board.

People should have confidence in him because perception is one thing and reality is another.

“If they perceive that he will do the wrong thing even if he does the right thing, and somebody fails election they will believe that he was manipulated out and for that reason those people that have been linked to have played key roles in political parties, I am withdrawing them.”

It would be recalled that the Action Congress, AC, and Human Rights Monitor, HRM, had raised alarm that some of the nominees by the President such as General Bagudu Mamman (rtd), who is from Abaji in the Federal Capital Territory, is a member of Board of Trustees, BoT of PDP.

Also accused were Ambassador Mohammed Zaki Anka who contested for the Zamfara governorship election in 1999 on the platform of PDP; Alhaji Yakubu Shehu who contested for the Senatorial election in 2003 and 2007 in Kaduna State and Mr. Eddy Nwatalari from Enugu State.

President Jonathan noted that the move became imperative against the backdrop of evidence before him that some of the nominees participated actively in politics on  the platform of a political party.

Membership of political parties

He said: “If we follow media publications, you will notice that they come with clear evidence of some people that are clear members of political parties. The constitution does not say that if you are a member of a political party you should not be an INEC Commissioner. No, that is very clear.

“You can be a member of a political party. We can decide to make PDP’s acting chairman the chairman of INEC if we chose to do so if we believe that he can conduct free and fair elections. I am not saying that he is going to rig election for PDP. In fact, the law emphasises that to be in INEC, you must qualify to contest election in the House of Representatives.

“To contest election into the House of Representatives, you must be a member of a political party. So, if you follow the law to the letter you can appoint people in political parties to be in INEC. Active members of political parties will feel, wrongly or rightly, that we will be biased, if today I make the acting chairman the INEC Chairman, they will say PDP has taken over the place.

Presentation for screening

“But I did mention to members of the Council of State the day I made the presentation to them that from that day till when the list would be screened, if I have any complaint about a particular person, we would withdraw that person.

Immediately the Senate screens it, I will no longer have powers to withdraw except there are major challenges then I would go back to the Senate and say that there are so many complaints about Mr. A or Mrs B. We need to withdraw because I will need to consult them when it gets to that point, but until the screening, I have the full powers to withdraw somebody that people raise issues against”.

The President who reiterated that he would ensure that votes counted in the 2011 general elections, called on PDP members to entrench internal democracy in the party, said that internal wranglings that led to the party not winning the Anambra State governorship election must be addressed.

On security, President Jonathan, who noted that kidnapping had become worrisome to the government, promised that the government was prepared to address the menace.

He said: “The security of the country is worrisome, especially kidnapping. I always say that in terms of petty crimes, there are some countries that are worse than Nigeria. Petty crimes like pocket picking and so on.

Now, South Africa is hosting the whole world, all the dignitaries, soccer stars are there and nobody is complaining. But, petty crimes for those of you who have been to South Africa or who read about South Africa is worst there than Nigeria. But nobody is complaining about South Africa hosting the World Cup.

“So, the issue of kidnapping is a problem that the government must tackle frontally. And I have decided that I must tackle it frontally. We can no longer continue to live in a society where even if your wife is going to church, you have to look for an escort to follow her.

”If your children are going to school, you have to look for machine gun carrying security people to follow them. How many people can afford that?

“Some parts of the South-South and South-East, Port Harcourt were in terrible situations at a time but we have to thank Governor Amaechi, the economy is coming back because he is facing the situation frontally.

“In the South-East, especially Abia State, it is becoming a state where we can no longer accept the situation. And I said that we will spend the last money government has to crush this insecurity. Without security you can’t even develop.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/06/18/inec-job-jonathan-drops-pdp-members/

kobikwelu:
^^^^^^
only truth,

thanks for the compliments, (here is my autograph )

i know your kind, aggressive and powerful behind a keyboard and a computer screen(and thats where it ends).

i cant engage u in a constructive argument,

******MOVES ON TO MORE SERIOUS REPLIES*******

[size=14pt]Move on biko![/size]

If you have nothing to contribute, why are you ridiculing others?

The worst form of cowardice is when someone is trying to sow cynicism among true believers for no rational reasons.

We should go and wait for an elusive unity when we have permanent moles like you operating from within.

The rulers of Nigeria, how united are they?

Just leave this thread. Nonsense

The question now is : Should Nigeria be going to world cups or African nations cup as one country?

[size=16pt]I think Nigeria should be split into three countries for the purposes of soccer. [/size]

Britain send all four -England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to football competitions.

This country clearly cannot give room to merit even in football.

People are dying because of these football failures (not me though )

[size=18pt]Shame don kill me finish![/size]  

Why is Nigeria doing this to me? Why can't I be proud of this country for once?

I really think this is the deciding moment for Nigeria.

Greece of all countries is painting us with goals at the world cup.
Since when?

Haruna plays like a boy. [size=18pt]This is World Cup![/size] Stand on your feet and use your head. You are the playmaker. Where is Kanu or Brown Ideye anyway?

[size=16pt]This team sucks[/size] minus Uche and Enyeama.

canuck:
Get in line. . .No be only you. We nor suppose dey see dis kain mess if not for [size=16pt]KARATE KAITA![/size]

lmao!  

Haruna can't think. He just reacts without thinking. Same with Kaita! Why can't these people use their heads

[size=18pt]What type of a team is this[/size]?

kobikwelu:
e don enter biafra issue,

most of the people canvassing for this so called biafra never knew what it was like,
its their fantasies,

well, thank God for nairaland

kobikwelu:
[/b]

[b]till they get their acts together and provide a united front, nobody would take them serious,
suppose it was the northern elders forum that raised up dust, all would notice,
their claim is right, it should be investigated, but most peeps would look at this as ethnic stuff,

Frankly you are being idiotic in your comments on this thread.
Are you offended that Ohanaeze (for whatever it is worth) is raising concerns over this issue? What is your own here?
Should we all be as selfish and windy as you?
Why are you busy attacking anyone with an opinion on this when you refuse to offer one except some fake unrealistic gambits "till they get their acts together and provide a united front? Do you have your acts together?
How can we have a united front when we have idiots like you running us down from inside?

If there is ever another war in that country, people like you must be killed off first before we ever turn on the outside enemy. Keep mocking the marginalization of your people.
Nonsense!  

The government MUST investigate this allegation thoroughly. I really think that this issue is bigger than ALL other issues in Nigeria because it strikes at the heart of national unity. If a Nigerian cannot join the army because another Nigerian sees him as a threat, do we have one country then? Other countries are wooing their citizens to join the military. Why is Nigeria discouraging a section of the country from joining the military?
If Dumbazau is not happy about Igbo or southerners enlisting into the army, could he at least be honest enough to ask his people to secede from Nigeria?
Does he really think he can sustain this type of a behavior for ever?

SLIGHT:
If a body like ohaneze make this allegation, then its basically true, i have heard similar complaints though.jonathan should also try to enlist many jobless n.d youth into d army

[size=14pt]WORD [/size]

'Cos really I'm afraid that juju might just be like gambling.

Can anyone say that it is not possible to win a lottery jackpot of $100m? Well, if you buy the multi-state lottery in the US, you CAN win. What is your chance of winning? Another story all together!

So, yes, winning $100 m is possible, but may not be probable. Should one then plan his future income on the chance of winning the lottery? I'd say only a fool would do that!

Let the debate continue.

RichyBlacK:
Yoighaman, thank you for your comment. I am all for crime reduction, but it pains me to see so many of my fellow Nigerians wallowing in ignorance; it really breaks my heart. Though they say ignorance is bliss, it is my view that part of our underdevelopment is this pervasive belief in the nonsense called juju.

God bless you.

blacksta, God bless you too my brother. Our people need to stop believing in harmful psychological cheap tricks that perpetuate ignorance.

I've asked so many questions about this juju thing and not a single one of my questions have been answered. For example:

1. Can juju make us win the world cup?

2. What are the limits of juju? That is, what is it that juju cannot do?

3. If there are, then can we get a few examples?

4. If there are none, then does it mean juju can do anything?

In my long and ongoing fight against the veritable fraud of juju, I've got only two people attempt to answer the above questions. And the follow-up to their answers immediately led to contradictions within the logical space created by the axiomatic foundations of the "juju theory".

Honestly I think that Africans are very lazy in search of knowledge. I bet you that if ever white folks had to rely on juju for so much at any point in their history, they would have published at least one solid research conducted on this subject. But, we Africans are always content to speculate and leave things there, even if a l lot of lives are affected by it.
When would someone conduct a research on this juju issue?
Does it work or doesn't it?
Is there any proof that it works ALL THE TIME, not sometimes or under some conditions?
If it works under certain conditions, can we control it to reproduce the same results ALWAYS?

I tire for we Africans!

kobikwelu:
unfortunately, their opinions count for jack!!!!

common to pick successor to vincent ogbulafor, na WAEC


they cant be a power bloc, so its just hot air

Completely off point.

Which "power block" formed MEND?
Which "power block" formed MASSOB?
Which "power block" is flooding weapons in south east?

The mistake some folks make is to equate Nigeria with the elite. There is much more to Nigeria than PDP. The guys failing to gain entry into the army are mainly ordinary folks (non-elite), and if their favorite profession is the military, they will "join the military", even if it is MEND or MASSOB.
Ohanaeze is only sounding a responsible alarm. The duty of a responsible government is to investigate that alarm and fix the issues raised.
There was a time in this country when no one even noticed the Niger delta. It is no longer the case today.

So the question remains, if a young man wants to join the military to serve his fatherland and is schemed out by the Dumbazaus of the Nigerian military, does any rational mind expect him to go home and suck it up?

To use the analogy of a farm, the Igbo folk I know is like a yam or bean stalk. If you put up a mounting stake or framework, he would happily grow using the stake as guide, and ultimately mature to yield abundantly.

If you deny him the stake or framework, he would happily grow anyhow and by all means necessary mainly on the ground in and around the farm tying, choking and strangulating all other farm crops, so that in the end, you the farmer will not have a bumper harvest.
That is the Igbo man.
Pick your option; pick wisely.

I really think that this issue is BIG DEAL.
You have to understand Nigeria to be able to understand the implications of this thing. It must be investigated.

The ultimate truth is that Nigeria is slowly coming to a head, and agents of the status quo are growing more desperate. One of these days, either we have a REAL country or the country will collapse for sure.

A relative told me about the type of weapons kidnappers use in the south east. Those guys basically use anti-aircraft weapons and rocket propelled grenades to outgun the police. My immediate hunch was that someone is slowly forming a parallel army in the east.

It is in the interest of the north (who is desperate to keep Nigeria one) and other Nigerians to sack people like [b]Dumb[/b]azau who still live in 1966. If they don't sack them and neutralize all their sectional schemes in the military, Nigeria's timebomb will be ticking faster.

It is either we are one country or we are not.

These northerners will never change.
One of these days, they will be excised from Nigeria. Do they even know what they are doing?

Keeping people from joining the army only makes them form their own army, and the days of conflict ticking closer or at least it turns them into militants. This 40 year old trick is already failing with the formation of MEND. It will only spread to the South East, that's all.
[b]Dumb[/b]azau dan banza!

CarlosVent:
I STILL CANT BELIEVE IT.

MAY BE CAMEROON UNDER ESTIMATED THIS JAPANESE DATS WHY DEY TOOK DEM UNAWARES.

AHHH GOD WHY DID DIS HAPPEN?

Africans need to learn discipline and diligence. Nigeria fell to Paraguay and Denmark in 1998 for the very same reason. After we beat Spain in our first game, our heads swelled so much that we lost both matches by wide margins: 3-1 to Paraguay and 4-1 to Denmark.
I hope we don't underestimate Greece and South Korea in subsequent matches.

The reason is one word:

[size=16pt][center]FRAUD[/center][/size]

Nigerians still lead the world in notoriety when it comes to fraud. The painful part is that Nigerians are not even the most fraudulent in the world. We are just the dumbest fraudsters.

redsun:
Nor be nigeria?,where low profile criminals are naturally dumber than the high profile ones,the politicians.To a rational mind,it is delusion but to a deluded mind,it is a way of life.

Don't get me wrong,i have always said that juju oath taking will have more psychological impact on the corrupt officials in nigeria than the bible and koran.Since we are relatively a very primitive society,our believe in ancestoral spirit and their instant wraths have a way of binding the society together and ostracizing the evil ones,

I have once asked a question on culture section of how local nigerian farms that are usually located far away from home are protected from hungry thieves without fence,guards or any form of security whatsoever.

I had the privilege of seeing such things first hand in Arondizuogu in Ideato LGA of IMO state in 1996 when my cousin went there to perform the traditional marriage ceremony (Igba nkwu) of his wife who hails from the town.

When we got there, the single most noticeable thing about the town was that houses and compounds had no fences. I was puzzled and inquired about this. The response was that no one dared steal in that town. People basically went to markets and other places with their doors wide open.

I don't know whether the same thing still happen today in Arondizuogu. But I know it used to happen.