₦airaland Forum

Abagworo:
i'm not familiar with isaac boro politics but in my day to day activities i encounter a lot of pro-ijaws.i believe that it is this same wrong notion exhibited by them today that boro had.after several discussions with them i come to discover that whatever wrong an igbo does to them is not easily forgiven.they might be wronged hundred times by fellow ijaws and once by an igbo.they just try to lay emphasis on that of the igbo.okrika,opobo,bonny seem to be more igbo-friendly than other ijaws.i will give my view of igbos attitude towards ijaw later.

Which is why there was Eastern and Western Ijaws. The hostility increased because mid-western Ijaws joined the party. My views.
I still lament that the British understood Nigeria more than our so called founding fathers.

Just as the prerogative of assigning labels (traitor or hero) lies only with the Ijaw in case of Adaka Boro (since he was fighting for Ijawland really), the prerogative of same in case of Ojukwu lies with all EASTERNERS (including Eastern Ijaws) who became Biafrans in 1967. It does not include mid-westerners.

Outsiders can say anything they like, after all they could be motivated by anything. Some of them refused to join sides (which was great) but some fought with Nigeria from the beginning to the end of the war. So, what do I expect such people to say? The issue Adaka fought against is now far harder to achieve, because some of the former enemies are now in the group called MEND, which is why they cannot achieve this resource control thing. It is what Igbos call "dum tufu dum cho" help me lose something, and then turn around to help find the same thing!
Like wolves in sheep skin. That is why you see folks rushing into amnesty deals while others are attacking them.

I really cannot call Adaka Boro a traitor (duh? ), he fought against his peoples aspiration as history has shown. If that is not true, what is MEND fighting for today (43 years after Adaka!)? He never betrayed me, he betrayed his people. Simple!

I can only give him a mention for raising his peoples issues in Nigeria. He should have persisted in his original course. When he joined Nigeria to fight Biafra, he crossed a line and shot himself in the foot, just like any resource control agitation today without Igbo support is bound to fail. If I were MEND, I would undergo a rebirth, to remove elements whose history in Nigeria compromises them in the struggle. Know your real enemies so to say, and our history is still young.

tensor777:
Maybe so. But the fact that he chooses to react to the universal problem of illegal immigration in such a barbaric manner shows the kind of person he is.
In any case if the aim of his crazy suggestion is simply to weaken Nigeria by sowing he embers of disunity and hate, the upshot would be more illegal immigration and not less.

Pure speculation!
Nigeria is already weakened, so Gaddaffi does not need to weaken Nigeria.

I'm sure some British officials might have also thought it crazy to grant Nigeria independence in 1960. Today's crazy idea is tomorrows invention.

tensor777:
Well we have now told him that he should mind his own business. But on the other hand Quaddafi is not noted for his discretion and wisdom

How can he mind his own business when you have Nigerians breaking into his country everyday illegally? Libyan jails are filled with Nigerians and he has killed some but is still struggling with the rest. All those of you calling for Nigeria to remain the same must tell me how to keep Nigerians inside Nigeria. How many Libyans are in Nigerian jails?

I remember quoting an Igbo proverb which says that "an orphan child who prematurely starts inquiring about his fathers killers will never make it to adulthood". I was not there when it happened but I can piece things together by way of common sense.

Let us accept that the Ijaw started agitating for autonomy or local control of resources as far back as 1944. There were ways to continue that agitation without shooting oneself on the foot. It is also wise to see your problems in the context of your position or place in Nigeria. In order words, know yourself, your neighbors, your assets, liabilities etc.

I have read many accounts which show that the Michael Okpara administration of Eastern region government built Trans-Amadi industrial layout in port harcourt, and other development projects in the then Rivers state. As a regional leader, he was trying to develop everywhere in the region, but can only do so with limited resources at his disposal, because oil was not contributing much then; much of the money came from palm oil, coal and others. If oil had come fully on board, I suspect there would have been another change in development strategy for the region. Just my positive guess.

I however think that some elements like Adako Boro were simply too restless and too quarrelsome and were motivated by instant gratification without considering the overall Nigerian set up.  It is lack of ability to see this national angle that led Adaka to prematurely launch a secession from Nigeria in 1966. At this stage I would say, that any Nigerian president at that time of his secession would do the same thing Ironsi did to stop him.

In the case of Biafra, there were several real injustices (genocides against easterners) which led to about 50,000 death of Easterners. This was a crisis, and ALL Easterners where victims of it. Through their representatives at Enugu, they declared a separate state from Nigeria. If Adaka was smart, he would have first studied the situation. Did he really believe that he would get Ijaw independence from Nigeria? Isn't that easier from Biafra? Simple sense!

I can only conclude that either he made the mistake out of hate (hate blinds normal people making them do silly things ), or he was brainwashed into joining arms with the more formidable foe. And that is where we are today.

I make bold to state that the Igbo was not the Ijaws enemies, not to talk of being the big enemies. In sharing a region, the Igbo is actually a big asset to the Ijaw (Asari Dobuko acknowledged that). But, if the Ijaw thought, and still think that the Igbo is the problem, then Boro was wrong and any future such agitation for self determination without Igbo support will still fail. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.  

kodewrita:
@chelseabmw, you mean the barca training session (starts fight and runs away with head covered.lol)

@ODI_BABA
true but I still maintain that there's always a better way to do it and lets find it. The trend in the world is for countries to band together not breakup. Thats why you have the european union. At worst, lets turn nigeria into a nigerian union but still together with common currency,central bank, defence force and court of justice. might work.

Common currency? Maybe
Central bank? Hell NO!
Defence force? Bigger Maybe
Court of justice? Bigger HELL NO!!!

Below are my reasons:

In a common currency arrangement, participants must meet the requirements (usually measured through economic index) before they can join. If you qualify, you join. Simple.

The common central bank cannot work without common currency. Again, I don't want another central bank run by quota system and federal character. I want a central bank run by the best economists our system can give, not some half baked mallam.

The common defense can only work if every participant maintain the same amount of military personnel and installations on its own territory. A practice whereby all sensitive military formations and installations are heaped on one side of the nation is UNACCEPTABLE. That is what Aburi tried to fix but was sabotaged by short sighted fools.

The common court of justice is impossible because we don't share the same values. Northerners might prefer the Sharia code and the marriage of under age girls, the deification of human beings -making humans above the law, and other sacred cow cultures. In my part of Nigeria (East) everyone is equal under the law, even local gods and deities (like Okija juju) are sacked by the police if they run foul of the law. So, we cannot share common judicial system. Even the British knew that and set up separate systems of justice for north and south.

Katsumoto:
The guy sold u a dummy and you bought it. Please read his 'tales by moonlight' again and find the obvious flaws.

I didn't say I bought it. I asked him to substantiate his claims because you have the [b]sjeezy8[/b]s of this forum kidding around with vital information and the gullible may buy it. In any case, in the jungle called Nigeria (to borrow from some of my bros on this forum), anything is possible!

Ibime:
This is a trending development in International finance. . . increasingly, we will start to see more developed countries relying on less developed ones for access to farmland to grow soft goods. .  . China, South Korea and Gulf states have been leasing land in Madagascar, Kazhakstan etc. . . .

Since inept leaders[b] in the jungle called Nigeria [/b]dont know what to do with our land, they should lease it to those who do, and can at least proivide some employment for some of us. . .

Bro Ibime, I never knew you dey vex like this. lol!

@Topic, I share AjanleKoko's  sentiments below:

AjanleKoko:
Good God!!!

Why not these people enter into some kind of partnership with Nigerian investors on this? I'm highly apprehensive of leasing out HUGE portions of land to foreigners for any reason. "No be to give monkey water be the problem, na to collect the cup back".

@hardywaltz

I hope you can substantiate your claims here. Please be as detailed as you can, else we prefer to read it from your books when they are out. Some folks here need the education.
My people say that "in the process of concocting an eye medicine, it is advisable not to include pepper in the menu".

Why shouldn't Nigeria be divided up according to sensible lines? Is it because Gadaffi said it?
Each time I think of Nigeria, I can't recall a single sound policy in place - economic, social, educational, health, or even military.

Is it the forced sharing of resources like power generation and mineral income? In my book, if you generate it, you keep it. Just pay taxes, that's all!

Is it the forced imposition of clueless football administrators who ruin our game (consecutive failed FA Chairmen have been from the north)?

Is it the forced hosting of vital national football matches in Kano leading to loses to the super eagles (imagine playing Niger republic in Kano! Kai! )?

Is it the forced inclusion of players from sections of the country who end up lowering our game(federal character players)?

Is it the employment of half baked personnel as consular officials at Nigerian embassies (usually based on federal character)?

Is it having a bogus and unwieldy police force based in Abuja overseeing the affairs of 150 million restless West Africans in 36 states?

Is it the shooting at sight of citizens by security operatives (people they are paid to protect)?

Is it the rigging of census (a nation of 50 years still don't have a reliable statistical database or demographics)?

Is it a crime to have someone as polished as Donald Duke or Ernest Ndukwe (if he is interested), Ken Nnamani or even Fashola of Lagos stand side by side other African and world leaders to be addressed as the President of Nigeria -someone I can be proud of?

I can go on, but, for every item I list as a positive Nigerian attribute, I can list 10 negative ones.

^^^

Just ignore that kid. The Spring Semester will soon deal with him. I pity his parents who are wasting their hard earned money to train him. His "F" grades are around the corner. 

sjeezy8:
^^ truth hurts i guess

If ikemba is a hero for ibos then isaac is a hero for ijaw or even deltan nationalism

or is it not OK for ijaws or deltans to be proud they are not from the EAST OR wEST. LOL

Ojukwu never fought for only Igbos in Biafra, he fought for the whole of Biafra (former eastern region). If Biafra did not lose the war, he would be celebrated in the whole of Biafra (former eastern region of Nigeria). Even some revolutionaries in the delta today celebrate Ojukwu.

If a renegade Igbo from the Niger delta picks up arms to start fighting for his own version of "Niger delta republic", what should I call him?

If Boro was fighting for Ijawland as his Niger delta, and stuck to it without joining any sides in the war, he could have made some strong legitimate points. He didn't. As of the time of his death, his proposed territory was non-descript.

Igbo people say that "if a child fails to grow up first before inquiring about who killed his father, he will never make it to full adulthood". That summarizes Boro.

^^^

If you notice, most smart folks here have been avoiding you and your brother SEFAGO for your infantile rants. I will continue doing so until you raise another idiocy to deceive the gullible.

Katsumoto:
You make his role more important than it was. He may have been killed in battle by Biafran forces but it wouldn't have been because of any closeness with Gowon or because he was an Ijaw man fighting against Biafra. It is more likely he was killed for insurbodination; Boro was a very stubborn man and for someone who did not receive any proper military training, he may have had a problem with authority.

At least we can agree on that.
As for this fly from the south west called sjeezy8, you surely have a problem with simple comprehension, don't you?
Please read my post again. I didn't say he betrayed Biafra (that is between him, his people and his god ). I said he betrayed the non-descript  territory called the "Niger delta republic". As of the time of the war, there was no delineated territory by that name. At least Biafra was the former Eastern region of Nigeria with properly constituted leadership and authority before secession. He could have insisted on creation of such a territory first before joining the same forces he was fighting against. At the minimum, he had a problem with authority, at worst he was a f00l who couldn't identify his enemy properly before he launched his rebellion. The same enemy killed him. He could still be alive today if he identified the enemy well. Asari Dokubo is my idea of a real revolutionary in that region. He can see his enemies clearly.
I would say this again -Boro's people are still fighting for a semblance of what he betrayed in 1967.

I know the name of the man who killed Boro.
His name is[b] Betrayal[/b].
Boro fought against Nigeria in 1966, but he later betrayed the "Niger delta republic" he was fighting for by joining the Nigerian army in 1967 to become a Major of the Nigerian army. He was later betrayed by the Nigerians who killed him in an ambush. Today, his folks are still fighting for the same thing he betrayed in 1967. 

ODI_BABA:
The so called Nigeria leaders are bunch of recycled imbeciles with heavy cheeks and pot bellies. They never got tired of looting the public treasure. Col Gaddaffi is hundred fold betters than any of the idiots. David Mark was the same idiot that told Nigerians telephone was not for the poor as the country's communication minister during Babangida abracadabra government; today, he is senate president. Nigeria, gi[size=16pt]ant[/size] of Africa!

More like it!

Giorgio:
remember that this same man said that switzerland should divide among germany, italy and france. if that is his solution to everything i think we should say no thank you amd move on.

Ok, did you notice he talked about a small country -Switzerland? What can the Swiss do to Gadaffi or Libya? Why didn't he ask the Spaniards to divide up into Catalan, Basque and other nations?
He can't say that because Spain is a successful and strong country.
You cannot put something on top of nothing. We have not built a country in Nigeria for 50 years. Which is why Gaddaffi is divvying up Nigeria according to his whims.

^^^

I think your position may be true about Gadaffi's intents, but I also know smaller African countries which can keep the Libyans off if need be. Nigeria's size is part of the problem. It's like saying you have this big muscular he-goat in your farm's pen but he is not able to impregnate any female goats. Wouldn't you prefer a smaller he-goat which is virile and fertile to a big infertile bull? Give me something that works, I don't care about size for now. We can talk about size later.
If Nigeria is as strong as you think, the Libyan leader would not dare make such statements.

I think that these defenders of the status quo are as dubious as the nation they are defending.

Why do they always leap from disintegration to bloody disintegration? Did USSR and Czechoslovakia divide violently?
Why do they always assume forced reconstitution of nations, eg smaller groups will be annexed, Nigeria already annexed and excised such small group in Bakassi to Cameroun, duh?

Why do they always discount willing formation of nations by agreement, even if it means coming back to the present geographic state?

Finally, I have always asked this overarching question and none of these defenders of the status quo ever attempted an answer: Who will fight in defense of Nigeria if a powerful external aggressor shows up one day? Or do they think it can never happen?

This question is at the heart of why Nigeria woke up one day and simply excised Bakassi to Cameroun with 250,000 Nigerians.

Tell me, who will fight and die for this country as is?

Gadaffi may even have plans of invading Nigeria. I know I won't want to die fighting him off, but I would fight and die if that nation is Biafra for instance.

That is the issue, and I don't want answers from the types who would never allow a credible census in Nigeria, or even a genuine national conference.

A product of illegitimacy is illegitimacy. QED.

Beaf:
Ghadaffi has made the silent question a loud international one. Good.
Let us press Goodluck Jonathan for thorough electoral reform, after that, we will see if we will not be forced to either hold a National Conference or negotiate a split up.

If through common sense, we cannot acheive the above, then we might be forced into an explosive split with a thousand Jos's (God forbid).
The vast majority of Nigerians are tired of a country that doesn't represent them.

And that, my friend is the gist!
It took 43 years for the gist to resurface, but better late than never.

@All,
On a funny note, does this man look mad to y'all? lol!.

sjeezy8:
O yea dont get me wrong its not that i like fulanis but if they should leave the SW every non yoruba should leave.

If Nigeria must divide then in the SW[b] i want ONLY YORUBAS and a yoruba country.[/b]

Sorry mofo! you'll have to fight for that sh**t. No one will leave your land just like that especially the Hausa/Fulani and the Igbos who own properties. They'll team up and kill your a's's.
And don't start again with that bullsh**t juju talk 'cos the Fulani sword is charmed too, and the Igbo come with odeshi!
Just don't sh**t your pant that day. rolling on da floor. . .

Hate

FL Gators:
OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK WTF? WDH?

Now these foolish aboki idiots have overstepped their grounds. . . . .

When will these oloriburuku oshi find sth better to do and actually practice their nonsensical peace theory?

Gators, remember I warned you about this. I never knew the Fulani Jihadists would head straight for your own state.
Anyway, you are welcome to my town- Nnewi Anambra state, You are safe in the heart of the East. lmao!

EzeUche:
I would not support this. I rather have the backing of one of the major powers. Preferably, the United States. Since the U.S. is getting worried with China's involvement in Nigeria, the U.S. can counter them with supporting the Igbos.

Yes, we want our own nation. Yorubaland and Hausaland can stay in Nigeria. We could care less.

I never said I would support that either I said it could happen. These groups (especially the armed ones like MEND) are desperate now, and desperation can lead to all types of weird alliances.
MASSOB is for a non-violent solution. I don't see how a terrorist like Gadaffi could work with them.

newmaster:
The MASSOB spokesperson said the [b]Western and Northern regions should remain as one country [/b]while the Eastern region should be a country of its own if genuine peace is to be achieved.


http://www.champion.com.ng/index.php?news=29564

Classic! 
Since they love Nigeria so much, you would think that these two groups would embrace each other in  a new nation.
The hypocrisy of these fake nationalists 
I read an article somewhere (I think the Vanguard Newpaper) where the author was saying that the forces who want Nigeria divided are so many that the Nigerian government can never have enough resources to counter them.
Now MASSOB is supporting Gadaffi and they are unarmed. I wonder what armed groups would do with the backing of a Gadaffi.
Nigeria has AIDS. It can be killed by even a common cold. 

Obasanjo is moaning once more! Reminds me of his days before Abacha jailed him. Gusau and Danjuma go deal with am soon. Bro Jona is busy!

Former President Olusegun Obasanjo has erupted over thedecision taken by Acting President Goodluck Jonathan in the appointment of General Aliyu Gusau as the National Security Adviser (NSA) in a post-ailing President Umaru Yar’Adua era. It was gathered that Obasanjo met Jonathan demanding to know what he was doing with Gusau as NSA.

The former President, who was said to have shouted on top of his voice, is believed to be peeved over the appointment of Gusau, who incidentally served him in the same position until the latter resigned to contest the Peoples Democratic Party’s presidential primaries which he lost to Yar’Adua.
The appointment of Gusau is believed to have been based on the recommendation of General Theophilus Danjuma as a way to spite the former President, checkmate his influence and ensure that he does not have a foothold on the Acting President’s political corridor.

The appointment of Gusau may have also come in handy in nipping in the bud the security lapses believed to have been engineered by some loyalists of Yar’Adua in order to discredit the administration of Jonathan as one unable to manage security issues.

Gusau, according to Sunday Sun findings, is believed to have accepted to serve for a few months just to assist in stabilizing the polity after which he would have to leave to attend to some other pursuits. It was however gathered General Gusau is actually leaving possibly at the end of three months to pursue his Presidential ambition which was truncated in 2006 by former President Obasanjo.
Accordingly, the NSA, who is known to be a very close ally of Generals Ibrahim Babangida and Danjuma, has commenced subtle consultations with other stakeholders in the North as well as other parts of the country with a view to actualizing his ambition.

Sunday Sun gathered that the former President is also not comfortable with the choice of Danjuma as head of the Presidential Advisory Committee and Gusau, who are both believed to have severed their relationship Obasanjo, owing to what the duo considered as betrayal by the Otta famer when he held sway at the Aso Rock Presidential Villa.
Not even the appointment of the former Director-General of the State Security Services (SSS) under Obasanjo, Col. Kayode Are, as Director of Operations/Chief of Staff in the Office of the National Security Adviser has calmed the frayed nerves of the former President.
Sunday Sun gathered that Obasanjo, who is still interested in who becomes President in 2011, is not comfortable with Gusau as NSA, particularly against the backdrop of the latter’s presidential ambition in 2011.

The appointment of Are as Chief of Staff in the NSA’s office, according to Sunday Sun sources, is preparatory to his taking over from Gusau, who is expected to resign his appointment in another six months to enable him pursue his presidential ambition. Obasanjo’s fear is said to be hinged on the fact that if Gusau clinches the Presidency in 2011, the political terrain may become tough for him.
But despite Obasanjo’s vituperation, there appears to be little Jonathan can do for now as he seems comfortable with the present arrangement, which is believed to have the support of former Military President, Ibrahim Babangida.

Jonathan is reportedly not thinking of how to assuage, Obasanjo who is believed to be his political godfather. The Acting President is said to be more concerned about having the support of the northern leaders, who he strongly believes are in a position to help him steer and stabilize the ship of state.
Jonathan is also said to have the support of the Senate President, David Mark, who has so far demonstrated that he is in control of the upper chamber of the National Assembly.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2010/mar/21/newsbreak-21-03-2010-001.htm

18 platoon:
@frosbel, do you know what triggered the 1966 massacare, it was started by nzeogwu, you m-fuc-kers will always look for trouble but when you get what you did not bargain for you'll start shouting, well watch out boy.

@18 platoon

You people (Hausa/Fulani) will see trouble in that country soon. Just wait and see. People like you will make it happen.
The other day I was watching as a policeman (whom I suspect is from Benue) was executing unarmed Boko Harams. I voiced my disapproval, but as  long as there are idiots like you, such acts will keep coming your way until you are wiped out by the same people you used against us in Biafra. Then, it will be our turn to laugh. So yes, we won't cross the Benue river because the job is for the middle belt Christians to deal ruthlessly with your marauding foolish band of unsophisticated forces.
Now, if somehow you dare move across the Benue, you will smell your "yash". 

invisible!:
What I see now frightens me. Nothing works and we all sit down and smile, blaming the whole thing on luck and destiny, wake up people and challenge these people, this cabal are nearer to you than you think. The town unions, the councilors, the traditional rulers and the LG chairmen. These ppl eat money and do nothing while the rest of your stare like malu! Managing the one bottle of star they buy for you periodically, some tell me that God will help us, God only helps those that helps themselves. I live in Nigeria and this place is just , hellllllll!

That phrase is my biggest motivator anytime I post here, because my whole family is still there and they complain of the same thing every time I call. I witness it first hand each time I visit too. When I started posting here, I argued that I would rather have just my town independent (if it comes to that! ) than to live in that HELL in the name of "bigger is better". I argued that my town can install a big power generator even if it means levying every member of my community. At least we would have steady power supply. Everything else is possible after that. Nigeria CAN'T even do that!
What other qualification can you give such a place? Is there any place worse than hell?