₦airaland Forum

CFCman:
That's why I also think the single passport idea won't fly. It will be better for AU-member countries ratify visa-free travel within Africa for either a 30-60 day period, or a 14-21 day period. Africa needs a higher volume of intra-African trade, so another component of the proposed visa-free treaty would be the full implementation of the Yamossoukro agreement, which called for unrestricted intra African flights among African airlines.

I partly agree but that will not work in Africa it only causes problems. As we speak now there are many come to SA with visitors visa when they get here they disappear into the thin air only to resurface after five years married to a South African and claiming human rights. Our system spends billions and billions in deportation and cannot afford going after each individual who overstays his/her visa stipulations.

The other problem is the lack of properforensic data basis on most African countries including Nigeria. If that was not an issue your second proposal would work as all AU countries would share databases and be able to track problematic beings. Until then that is just asking for trouble as criminals would jump borders at will.

Both are a No, Not at this moment. Southern Africa could do a SADEC passport first after all requirements of proper database confirmation,as a trial see how it goes. Otherwise tax payers money would be spent on immigration issues when we still have a lot to do in all African countries.

CFCman:
Yes. The AU passport would be available to all Africans by 2018.

Hell will freeze over before South Africans of all races accept a non-diplomatic passport for all African countries. Southern Africa would be most welcome, AU would see Zuma and the ANC booted out on the next polls.

Who did they consult? They have no mandate from the country and in SA big ddecisions of this kind go through public engagements first.

This is nothing but a dream, as it would further affect our travel status to the world. Britain already took away our visa free status, who will kick US out next? We are never going to agree!

Thewrath:
You can't even punctuate properly,so much for sophistication,didn't know I was talking with an illiterate and an impostor hiding behind female monika for soft landing!

Are you ok? You are forgiven go and sin no more. Leave SA out of your shizzz business.

Thewrath:
Am sure you really don't want to go down that part with me...dirtiness,no shout am o,just shamefully admit the category you fall under and run along like others..the earlier,the better!

You are the dirtiest people known to humankind I repeat. You stink and your environments home and elsewhere proves that. Now what?

Thewrath:
You probably fit into "the jealousy category"
See who's talking of dirt.

LMAO ! "they jelous us" mantra. We regard you in disgust dear, you know it very well. Dirt is your thing go to Hillbrow, Brooklyn etc. You stink!

felicitywe:
Op u t right on point.That s wat u get even in south africa where d ppl r lazy but go aftr Nigerians who r husslers in nature.But d list goes to those in gvt offices as well.The Igbos v a thick skin 2 absorbe anytin.Happily all Nigerians &non Nigerians will testify d peaceful nature,relationshp&contributions of d Igbos in their communities.Igbos r made of those stuff&i will advice dem 2 keep up wt it&dont tilt on d ethnic nigerian politic bc its nt in their nature.Finally,d agitatn Biafra is typical of d Igboman frm precolonial,they love independence,freedom,equality&progress.Dat was why they rejected d colonial masters.B4 d advent of d British d Igbos had developed solid economic&socio political institutions dat wud v wierd d area 2 greatness.

Please leave South Africa out of this. Most of You Ibos sell drugs in SA and that's not hardwork but murderous
act. You keep saying people are lazy but you are dirtiest lot ever. Try renting out a flat or house to you lot and within 3 months you will 3 years of dissinfecting your place. Any area you occupy in SA turns to a stinking gutter. Now face your fellow Nigeria and leave South Africa out of this. Who even invited you to our shores? Running around complaining and crying like Pu. ssy 's. Nxa!

chidozieikeji2:
den have u cared to ask urself who indoctrinated them and also have u cared to ask why all diz are happening @ the same time that there is massive influx of syrian refugees into europe my broda dat was why we protested when the govt wanted to transfer boko haram prisoners to anambra because when they are brought in they will now teach pple dat committed minor offence evil and also give them contacts when they are released they will now unleash terror on the society where as the main convicts that indoctrinated them are still in prison, that is wat is happening in europe now the islamic militants used the pretence of being refugees and entered europe and taught european youths terrorism and now european youths now resorted to terrorism I predicted this when they were entering and now it have started happening europe is in big mess and this may linger on for many years because to defeat terrorism is not a year job and moreover u can reduce terrorism but cannot remove it entirely once it starts anywhere

Thank you! That was my point.

Amoto94:
Madam your assertion that every Muslim is a potential terrorist is wrong and a flawed one. visit Islam against extremism.com to research the truth and don't judge and reach a conclusion based on some propaganda and the activities of some deranged Muslims.

Sir, i never labelled them as terrorist but extremists. Whether this sits well with you or not, it's Muslims that gets influenced and act on Jihadist calls not Jews etc. Also get this well, violence and conflicts are not only restricted to Muslim extremism only but we are talking about Islamic extremism right now.

BetaThings:
Do you want to have a meaningful and beneficial discussion or you want to just haul insults
Yes, I remember - Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction


And it is clear that you don't know history
Before you talk about the future, study history and you will make more sense



We have issue of instability from the Niger Delta - you think it is less of a problem
Are Muslim immigrants responsible for the disaster in South Sudan?


Actually it does not matter either way
Your opinions are not original
You have been listening to too much propaganda
I know people who would express opinions about Islam that need to be taken seriously


People can hate us provided we deserve it
But propagandists project a view point based on distortion of facts and their uncritical followers lap it all up and can now pronounce on issues
Mandela was a terrorist in the books of the US when George Bush jnr was president
Did they hate him then? Did he deserve it?

Black Lives matter are just looking for a bogeyman!
You need to read some books
To start with take a look at
"How propaganda works"

You know, if you were taking everything I said as pertaining on to the topic at hand you would clearly see that we are agree on many levels than we disagree.

Your only bone of contention is that I mentioned Islamic extremism as a risk to the world,among other risks but in this particular topic we are talking about Islamic conflicts.

Again I didn't say all other conflicts don matter but those are discussions for another day.

South Africa by the way has the biggest controversial allies ( as per the West) in Africa than any other African country. Palestine, Iran, Libya, Algeria, Cuba, Russia, China to mention a few. We are not easily influenced by media propaganda and know our history very well hence our stance on international politics.

Btw, Mandela was a " terrorist" according to the definition and labels of the West. We are not ashamed but proud of being called "terrorists" if that's what it takes to fight injustice for the betterment of our country and its people, black, white or grey.


As Mandela said, "we dont care whether the cat is black or white as long as it catches the mice". We will strive for the best for all and leave labeling with you.

Zwchicka:
You knew all this yet and i quote " I know that in 40 years time things might change not because of SA Muslim s but the heavy influx of Somalis, Pakistanis, Egyptians etc". I was just responding to your hypocrisy thats all

Anyways i do agree with your last paragraph.

It was not meant in that way perhaps i did put it the right way. My point was that Muslims were a tiny minority in SA who were also moderates and tolerant but with heavy influx of other Muslims from more radical countries the fundamentalists influence risk is much greater than it would have been. Not denying the fact that every Muslim has a huge potential of being an extremist regardless. This is what we've seen in France, UK and other European countries which had pockets of Muslims before but heavy inflow of Islamic migrants had huge influence on current Islamic extremism in these countries.

Hope it clarifies my " hypocrisy" as you say.

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Zwchicka:
I know this is off topic but why do south africans like to blame foreigners for everything. Was it not just last week that two south african muslim brothers were arrested for allegedly planning to attack US and Jewish targets in South Africa and disrupting local government elections ? What about the 4 south african terrorist suspects arrested in Jhb this week for alleged terrorist related activities? Those cases of south african muslims who were stopped from flying out of the country while trying to join syria Isis sec? Not to mention the few terrorist attacks attempts in Cape Town by local muslim's ? Was it not just last month that the Usa and Uk issued warnings to SA about terrorist attacks threats ? It appears you don't even know what's going on around you but you talking about 40 years and blaming Somali and the likes while your own country men are slowly but surely been infiltrated with Islamist extremist doctrine ! You all better wake up. Like Boko Haram didn't start in one day. All these small warnings should be taken seriously and curbed before
things get out of hand.

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Before you get all excited about anything South African, please refer to my initial statements on this topic then you'll have a clear picture of my assertions.

You are right about one thing which validates my point that, no Muslim is safe from fundamentalists influences, South African or otherwise.

BetaThings:
Everybody faced the topic until you were overcome by your inherent hate for Islam
Apartheid was a vile policy so recognised worldwide
"In 40 years, there might be due to x and that proves my point"
Who argues likes this?

No sociologist will argue that there is only one possible source of insecurity

So according to your own projections, all forms of instability in SA can be traced to Muslim immigrants
No wonder some misguided South Africans were killing other African immigrants
I don't blame Boko Haram on immigrants - the problem is homegrown

I wonder if Ukrainians are blaming immigrants

You are really an overzealous religious fanatic and you are starting to act illogical as expected from your kind. As I have said before, the topic is about Islam influence in world instability. You are the one who said I was gloating about ( i guessed, coz that's what i mentioned) our Muslims being moderates and most tolerant in the world. Hence my response to future risk pertaining to Muslim threats. We are not talking about anything else. Please apartheid is not part of the topic. Focus man!

I don't hate Muslims, please drop the " they hate us" victim card

BetaThings:
So what does that prove?

That the Tamil Tigers, IRA, ETA, FARC are muslims?

Anyway, South Africa was a police state until the 90s
And there was no ISIS in Iraq until about a decade ago
And no kidnapping for ransom by in Nigeria until 15 years ago

Don't gloat, let us see how you do after 40 years
Strange question

@bolded, again Mr face the topic. And by the way am not gloating at all just highlighting your assertions. I know that it 40 years time things might change not because of SA Muslim s but the heavy influx of Somalis, Pakistanis, Egyptians etc. Still defeats your point on PAGAD's influenced by history rather than religion.

Turco:
My mate, I got you very well. It is nothing about you. Hello from Turkey.

First of all we can be with Erdogan or without Erdogan but there are more than 70millions people in this country and they are all against coup and they don't care what is the response of US. Whether they are with the coup or against the coup. Turkey is not a banana republic. It can take its own decisions about country. This is what I want to say.

I'm very happy on your country men's stance. You have my backing. Ohlalah! From South Africa, hello!

BetaThings:
So what does that prove?
South Africa was a police state until the 90s
And there was no ISIS in Iraq until about a decade ago
And no kidnapping for ransom by in Nigeria until 15 years ago

Don't gloat, let us see how you do after 40 years


Strange question

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Again, you are simply pained by my assertions and going all defensive for no reason.

Now answer this, when did PAGAD come up in SA? You seem to have an issue with apartheid understandably but it is not part of this discussion, I advise you to focus on the topic. I know my history very well thank you but you are not the only Muslim in the world, unfortunately.

BetaThings:
You are the one in need of comprehension of what you wrote
What is the history of South Africa, post apartheid? It is not really relevant
Because a few junkies are wreaking havoc, you have suddenly become an expert
Personally I am all for the extermination of those vermins - ISIS, BH etc
When did suicide bombing begin in Muslim countries? 1983

What led to that?

South Africans are generally more violent than Nigerians not because of their culture, but history
Nigerians would have been more militant in their approach to government activities if they had also fought a gruelling battle for independence

Hol'up with emotional outburst bra! We are not talking about apartheid or culture here but Islam. You have just proven my point. South Africans are violent than Nigerians but alas! Nigeria has Boko haram and SA doesn't. Are you
ok?

Modified** I didn't claim being an expert but just stated my opinion. Now just because you are a Muslim doesn't make you an expert either. Mind you SA has the most tolerant Muslim community in the world, eve to the extent of having a gay mosque in Cape Town.

Turco:
First of all NATO country(Turkey) is not under fire. It is strange you people who are strangers think there is a real coup in Turkey. This is just an unrest from minority from army. It is unusual but, not difficult to deal. It is nothing about whether you're with Erdogan or against Erdogan. Everyone here in Turkey are against attempting coup. US has no idea about what is going on in Turkey and Turkey is the second most powerful army of NATO and does not take any orders from a foreign nation. I am Turkish National who bought couple of beers from market and watching news. So everything is calmed down. No need for conspirancy theories.

Bro, maybe you didn't understand me well. I am saying what the Pentagon has said in response to the attempted coup. I'm on your side. I hope the coup is not successful. But the US hopes it is. According to them your president has made internal and external enemies ( my guess US not happy with him) and they prefer and said they have better relations with Turkish army. Their words not mine.

Google RT news on you tube and hear it with your own ears.

BetaThings:
This is really self diagnosis
When was the last time a Muslim country interfered in the matters of a mostly Christian country?

Read and understand very well, I said Muslim not Muslim countries. Muslims are all over the world and do not care whether you are ally of most of their countries when they want to declare Jihad. As a South African we have a lot of Muslim countries' allies but it didn't stop an isis, boko haram wanna be Muslim PAGAD from bombing a US restaurant in our country with South Africans in it but fortunately was stifled very swiftly by our then President Thabo Mbeki.

Whether you like it or not any country with Muslims in it is at risk.

Shym3xx:
Reports are still fluid and you can't really say where the coup came from. If it had been from the west, they would've told him to leave the country immediately. Even the gulf states have been quiet thus far. I think it took everyone by surprise.

He'll be lucky to survive this.

I disagree, the US knew about this. The fact that they decided to not even condemn this act, says a lot. They say they will sit tight and watch a nato country under fire?

They cannot stand betrayal by turkey especially having positive talks with Putinn. They had to act quickly.

CFCman:
A Turkish intelligence source is telling CNN that the coup has been 'defeated'

Hope this news is true.

Cannot wait to see US's disappointment and Erdeguan's retaliation to NATO the evil organization.

Aluta Continua! Putin watching closely

'it really goin' down in the DM, 2016!

Fucken Western Elites using the puppet America to kill half of the world population by creating instability in the Arab world, knowing fully well these Muslims are as mad as hell and will turn their sick anger against everyone and everything. Thus creating a stage for a Marshall law all over the world assuring the New World Order.

America had to act cause Putin is their headache and getting Turkey on Putin's side would have bruised their non existing ego. Nonsense!

Well we'll watch and see how this unfolds but civil war is a sure thing in turkey now.

Only American puppet Muslim countries are left untouched. Hope the US won't cry when the chickens come home to roost. Datsall!

UndisputedBosom:
On whose side are you...actually....cox i can barely understand what you posted

Was about to ask same question.

On topic, "Hamba Kahle Mkhonto Wesizwe"

("Fare thee well, great spear of a people"

Comrade Micah X Johnson, has changed the racists thinking in the US.

Amandla! ( Black Power )!

bakingsoda:
Togolese are generally aggressive towards Nigerians because they believe that we have a huge influence on their political system on one hand, and the general envy of the big brother stand of Nigeria to other African countries on the other hand. My advice to those outside the country is always that if things are no longer working for you, please come back home. Ajo ko da bi ile.
This victim cannot be doing well and they would treat him like this for stealing, instead he would be arrested and charged to court if he was doing well.

So predictable! I was waiting for this. " they envy and jealous us" smh

64 year old, woman? Scams are in Nigerians blood.

REST IN PEACE WOMAN OF GOD. YOUR BLOOD WILL CONTINUE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. GALLANT SOLDIER, APPLE OF THE FATHER'S EYE. IT IS WELL!

It's about damn time, black Americans protect themselves. For how long will a people stolen and forced into slavery be maimed and killed like ants?

Micah Johnson died a hero! Amandla!

Bolustic:
Yet Ghanaians would be boasting as if Nigeria has no importance to their daily living.

You call Ghana patronizing your crude, as Nigeria's importance to Ghana? Do you guys learn business economics at your educational institutions at all? Ghana could sue Nigeria and jump the ship by ordering from Iran. Don't you know there's over supply of crude in the world right now? Who will buy Nigeria crude if they stop?

Thank God, we South Africans jumped the ship last year already and got back to buying Iranian oil, otherwise we would also be lacking fuel for our transport and Nigerians will be forming importance on our heads. SMH!

Do they have to still wear the same clothes at their age? Like seriously? Darkies! Smh

Fantastically racist! Coming from the most populous black country on earth. The "Giant of Africa", The biggest economy in Africa

Imagine!

Mid-life Crisis in Reverse.

iamord:
you are in their country and saying this. You need to be very careful. It's this little things......

Just Imagine? Guts! Then complains when treated according to their garb.

Atk1nson:
You do realise that the black South Africans are ones dragging the country backwards. Before apartheid came to an end, SA(at least the white part of it) was very prosperous inspite of worldwide sanctions. The problem with SA, starts with the black SA not immigrants

Do you realise that the same Black South Africans are "dragging" their own country backwards, not Nigeria or Australia, South Africa? Through all their backwardness, they are not coming to your country to drag bread & blanket or roof with you? Smh