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joel lala: Ok then, please it will do your ego well if you could explain the following below...Please ensure that you give reasonable answers, no beating about the bush or talking gibberish.

Contradictions:

1. From the concept of evolution, evolution says that animals evolved as they progressed the evolutionary scale, so, If man evolved from apes like you said, why is the so called inferior ape family still existing till today?...Why haven't they evolved totally.? or did evolution forget some species?

2. How come the modern apes we have around today have no fossil record or did they just spring out of thin air?

3. If humans actually came from apes, then where did apes come from? ( ps:i need a sensible answer here)...Remember you said it is impossible for something to come out of nothing.

4. If evolution is claiming as you believed, that life itself emerged as a result of pure coincidence and natural phenomenon, then explain to us here the origin of life with that pure chance or coincidence.

5. Why is there no specific evidence for a biological change in the brain structure since your so called Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil records many years ago?

6. It has been discovered/ exposed in 1953, the hoax your white master tried to use to deceive the masses to accept evolution concept..The hoax involved some scientist that tried connecting human and ape bones together and was artificially aged to draw up an apelike missing link and presented to the press (Insert from link: The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.).. Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

7. If man evolved from apes, then why don't we have the hypothetical ape-like ancestor, the real missing link? Atleast there should be some evidence of it.

8. It has been discovered recently that the fossils records available actually shows a distinct and separate origin for apes and human beings..So why is there no evidence linking man to the apelike creature you want us to believe in.

9. I want to ask, what actually can you give as an explanation that caused evolution to produce modern human beings with a distinctively highly specialized brain all of a sudden?


Please give sensible answers.

these arent contradictions, these questions are as a result of your illiteracy... reading a little biology will clarify things

read some here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
it contains the fossils you seek

ATMC: don't ever speak unless yhu are spoken to...yhu yhear?

it doesnt kill to take correction, does it?

texanomaly: Hahahaha...

He is a sweetheart.

yea, thats obvious

Nthateng Mhlambiso is simply right

what if we also show a man and a woman in bed, that would be irritating to gays too right?

xtians are so dumb....

^^

someone is in love with a satanist


love in the air...........................

striktlymi: Good...you may now understand why it is impossible for God to have a creator.

God is conscious, so if man, because of his consciousness must be created, then your god must be too.

If your god is uncreated, then man wasnt..... that is established...

striktlymi: You say an unconscious agent can bring about consciousness...but you still hold the view that this unconscious agent cannot give consciousness to Energy? Don't you see the contradiction?

what contradiction? i said nothing can make energy in itself conscious. Consciousness requires billions of cell connections.... Energy in itself cannot gain consciousness by any possible means....

striktlymi: I am not going to harp on the ish with your comment being at best theoretical but what I will not fail to notice is your willingness to accept that evolution and those cells you mentioned are responsible for consciousness without a recourse to some conscious agent.

yep, because that conscious agent would suggest a conscious creator itself, and that goes on forever, only evolution, which is change, requires no creator

striktlymi: Think about it ooman...if there was one mistake in the evolutionary process you brought to the fore, what would have happened to our ability to become conscious? One wrong brain connection would mean the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness. The randomness you suggest is impractical.

isnt this practical? Dont people run mad, become schizophreniac, psychotic etc all because of simple cell misconfiguration? What you need to understand is the process of natural selection, how good genes get retained and bad ones get off the population..

i now see your problem, you really dont understand the processes of evolution... a little study, and god will leave your life too like he was never there, just as he left mine.

striktlymi: Our ability to become conscious can only be brought about by some deliberate act which has its source from the Energy I speak of. And for an act to be deliberate, a conscious agent must be involved. Consciousness cannot come from a random unconscious agent.

still, this conscious agent will require a creator if consciousness MUST be brought about by another conscious agent.... just think about it.... this goes on forever...this is why we cannot propose a conscious agent for the existence of consciousness...

Evolution is not just random, it is guided by possibility and what favors survival....consciousness is possible and it favors survival obviously, so randomness, as controlled by evolution, can bring about consciousness through cell connections, no process can make energy in itself conscious...

striktlymi: Cool! To take this further...the Energy I talk of is what I call God and it is conscious.

call energy whatever, but i refuse to believe its conscious until you can demonstrate how it can gain its consciousness...

striktlymi: Double cool!! Now replace the word 'Energy' with God, the comment becomes:

do what you will, you still havent demonstrated how this energy of yours gained its consciousness...

striktlymi: C'mon ooman...

What exactly does it take to radiate light? What does it take to perceive with the senses? Or what does it take to hear or make sounds? All depends on Energy.

Remember we agreed that everything in existence is brought about by Energy and as such all those items you mentioned are possessed by Energy and not something else because without Energy they wouldn't have existed in the first place.

Energy gives what it has...so the saying that one can't give what it does not have holds true for all time.

true, but energy in its pure form does not give light, or sound, or colors, or life, or consciousness, it has to be changed, converted into other forms for it to posses these properties.... and this has been my point, energy in itself cannot be conscious, give light, or make sound

you are confusing what energy powers, with the energy itself.....there is where you need clarification and i hope i have done that... and here it is again..what we debate is energy in its pure form, not in its concentrated form, electric energy has to be converted by a material means into light energy before it can give light... energy in itself does not give light, or colors, or consciousness.... this process of conversion is change, and this is evolution

striktlymi: The bold is like asking what brought about Energy. It's in the nature of Energy to be conscious and it gives this ability to whomever it wills.

I have never been disappointed by you like you just did.

#Pls, in your next reply, just tell me you believe consciousness is a simple property that can just exist, and i will call this debate quit with you...

striktlymi: I believe I have addressed the above in a previous post...

Everything there is in existence, including electricity, the solar, sound etc were all brought about by this conscious Energy and those items retain some its attribute(s) but whether or not an item would become conscious is totally abt the discretion of this conscious Energy.

by saying energy is just conscious right? so to you, conscious is a simple phenomenon right?

striktlymi: If Energy only powers consciousness then it implies that some other thing or agent is responsible for the existence of consciousness. This is not correct because everything in existence was brought about by Energy, and that includes consciousness.

the bold is correct, consciousness requires cell connections, powered by energy....

@unbold: energy in itself is just energy, it has to be converted before it can be useful... its called potential energy.

your position is like saying because dams power energy conversion, dams therefore have electricity in them, not just that, but everything electricity powers, like computers pre-exist in the dam....i hope you see the fallacy in your position now...

striktlymi: What informs your belief that consciousness is from the brain?

that's because i know of no other consciousness outside the brain, except you can point me to something that is conscious without a brain,
#dont point to your imaginary conscious energy....that will piss me off, you have no proof for that...

striktlymi: Consciousness is not just about being reactive or having a personality. Note that God does not have a 'personality' strictly speaking. Yes, we have given it a lot of attributes, a lot of which has to do with our experience of it but this is not saying that he has a 'personality'.

Consciousness in this sense should be an ability to demonstrate awareness and a will. This I use in a limited sense.

as long as the bolded is in your definition of energy, i refuse to accept...you cannot prove energy has a will...common its energy, its what we use to power our phones, cars, computers etc...is that really the god you worship??

striktlymi: Energy does not just power the brain...it brought it into existence.

in a sense, i agree, as long as that doesnt translate into energy having consciousness by reason of bringing the brain into existence, by making it up...

striktlymi: My answer has always been Energy because everything has its existence from Energy.

if the brain is conscious because it has its existence from a conscious energy, are stone now unconscious because they have their existence from an unconscious energy? this is why your logic is impossible...

striktlymi: I knew you won't get it. The point here is, creating something 'corruptible' does not imply that the perfect cannot be created.

therefore, the point is creating something corruptible has a purpose, so stop making excuses for your god, evil exists because your god has a purpose for evil...

striktlymi: Because he has a demonstrable will and note that nothing truly corrupts. What we have is a transformation.

and transformation changes purpose, so it is corruption....think...

striktlymi: The above is like asking what created Energy. With Energy comes consciousness. Energy is and was not created, hence no one or thing gave it consciousness. Just like it is it nature to exist, so too it is its nature to be conscious.

consciousness is not as simple as energy that can exist forever, if it is, consciousness wouldnt be corruptible, like running mad...am tired of explaining this simple concept...

if energy is conscious, then consciousness is also forever, therefore, brain misconfiguration should not bring an end to consciousness, since energy makes the brain up, and energy is eternal...so think about this...

and it cant just be the nature of something to be conscious, consciousness requires complexity, you are not making sense.....
energy is too simple to be conscious.......

striktlymi: All forms of Energy have their source or being from this one Ultimate energy source aka God. I do acknowledge the existence of other energy sources (gods) which derive their essence from this one source but I choose to follow the Ultimate source instead of the wannabes.

guy, you are too mythical, you should be a babalawo or something


just imagine this, you now sound like Folykaze, macof, ghostofsparta and all of them...

you do realize i can claim this ultimate source is the Flying Pig right? there is no proof for a particular god, its all a state of mind...

striktlymi: Still like saying that Energy requires a greater Energy to exist.

except the energy i talk of is not conscious, so it doesnt require a greater energy, but consciousness requires another medium, now what medium could bring about consciousness in energy, considering there was nothing before energy?

striktlymi: Cell connections exist because of Energy. They are derivatives and not the Ultimate source. They do not bring about consciousness...they are only tools used by this ultimate Energy to aid consciousness.

yes, this is true because nothing in itself is conscious. But together, nature has produced consciousness. So stop contradicting yourself by claiming there can be a conscious energy...

striktlymi: Can Energy just be?

as long as its not conscious, yep, consciousness cannot just be, and that is what we debate.

striktlymi: Nah mehn...

It does not work that way.

Man has the ability to say the truth, this does not mean that everything man says is true.

Being conscious does not mean everything created must be conscious.

you still dont get it, energy didnt just create everything, it makes up everything, this is why everything must be conscious, if energy is conscious...hope you get it now.

striktlymi: That's funny! Energy need not be unconscious for it to be indestructible. Indestructibility is in its nature, just like consciousness.

consciousness is not an irreducible unit, if it is, brain misconfiguration wouldnt cause lack of consciousness.... can you think about that?

striktlymi: Nope!

and no because consciousness can just be? thats too dumb to be coming from you, am really disappointed...

striktlymi: An ability to select implicitly suggests some level of consciousness.

selection as explained by evolution requires no consciousness, its what favors survival that survivals, and so get selected, nothing more.

striktlymi: Don't tell me you are unaware that everything has some form of Energy.

how does this address my post?

if everything has some form of energy, and if energy is consicous, then everything is conscious, according to you, because consciousness makes everything up, do you get that?

FOLYKAZE: Omo odua. Lol

Instinct is still function of the brain.

We have no freedom...... What ya think?

why did you say we have no freedom...

FOLYKAZE: can we simply say dynamism of nature is the thing controlling us?


I will appreciate if you read through this article....http://www.joaoferreiradias.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/7135279-ANaturalisticInterpretationOfTheYorubaConceptOfOri1.pdf

like I told Uyi yesterday.....Ori and predestination simply is consciousness and manifestation of consciousness within existence.

it controls the choices we have, but i think instinct controls what we choose... what favors survival and what doesnt...

FOLYKAZE: Thanks

You once said that the real 'me' is an illusion of the brain.

The real 'me' takes charge of ability or decision to choice

Our thought is a complex reaction while our choice is the processing of our thought. All this is illusion.

How can the 'illuminated me' controls automated reaction and call it freewill? Is this not neuron playing game on us?

What automated reaction do you control?

#You dont control something that is automated.....

Sunymoore: Good luck to your new faith

yea thanks

this is soppy rubbish

@all, be careful, Joshthefirst is also OLAADEGBU the dumb... so be careful when you engage the thing

FOLYKAZE: lets start with your definition of freewill. Might get your picture clearer there

ability to choose ?

FOLYKAZE: calm down man. We dont know things all at once....we learn so nothing bad learning from you too.

The chemical and electrical reaction are operating random on a universal law. Your brain cant stimulate to what you dont have knowledge about or saved in the memory bank. How is you controlling this reaction? Lot of reaction are going unnoticied automatically.......what brings about the automation?

you are not controlling the reaction and the dynamism of nature is what brings about the automation

joel lala: Is it too hard to comprehend..Evolution is a white man's concept with contradictions too just like religion that you always battle with..

it will do your ego well if you could point to those contradictions....

OLAADEGBU: Don't be eristic. I said the empty tomb and not "an" empty tomb amongst other evidences presented. Did you get that?

the empty tomb, an empty tomb, does that really prove the dead in it is risen?

what are the other evidences you claim of your risen zombie...

FOLYKAZE: ______________________________________________________

The questions I will like to ask are:

- what are your [size=29pt]thought[/size] on freewill?

- Are we human free or just a slave/puppet?

- What are your views on predestination (cosmological determinism)?

this is your post as i recall

FOLYKAZE: Can you directly answer the questions directed at you or you want to dance around?

Note: the choice you made is also a chemical reaction in your brain. So you aint free anywhere

you asked for my thoughts on freewill, and i gave it...

as long as these chemical reactions are random, am free

the only illusion here is thought that there is a you, who is choosing.... there is really no you, just a combination of cells that make a unit, so you are reducible... period...

OLAADEGBU: Don't be mendacious. At least you believe that His empty tomb exists, you are getting there.

there are probably a billion and one empty tombs now that i believe are really empty, does that mean all the supposed dead in them arose?

Bidam: Let us use an analogy.

When your earthly father says ooman you can have access to all my things but for now don't RIDE my BIKE cos you might have an accident and die.Does it mean he puts poison or he is wicked?

ok, according to your analogy, what if he starts the bike, puts me on it, then forgot something inside, and then told me to not touch the pedal.... but as he takes long, a very subtle Bidam came to me and tricked me into pressing the pedal.... and there was a crash, am i to blame, or Bidam the devil, or my careless yahweh father, who put an inexperienced child with a started bike, and allowed a trickster in his compound?

Fate, kismet, predestination - are all myths..... there is only coincidence, no predestination, because the predestinator would require a predestinator, and that goes on forever...

A lion may choose to kill a prey, or let it go, based on its level of hunger, is that freewill?

I think what we call freewill is instinct, no matter what, you wont do something you wont gain in it, even if its just a good feeling that it gives, like a feeling of sharing love, or revenge, even though it might hurt you, so i think what we call freewill is the relic of our instinctual existence, from our ape ancestors...

joel lala: The exact same thing that is wrong with your own brain..you want me to accept that man evolved from apes whereas that concept cant explain life..but if a christian/muslim says that there is a God and is general to any thinking community you will doubt..nonsense

can you just agree with yourself what you wanna debate? is it 'evolution is white man's idea' or evolution of life, because i can get started with that, but its not necessary, not sure your IQ can carry the logic, if it could, it would have...

striktlymi: Sorry for the delay, I have been very busy.

striktlymi: You still ignore the fundamental questions here...

ok..

striktlymi: 1) Can Energy be created?

Nope

striktlymi: 2) Can an 'unconscious agent' give rise to consciousness??

yep, and it takes billions of cell connections and billions of years to achieve that. No unconscious agent can make energy, in itself conscious...

striktlymi: By definition, it is impossible to conceive nature without Energy. If there is no Energy, there won't be a "natural process". In order words the world cannot just exist without Energy.

yep

striktlymi: We have already agreed on the fact that Energy is uncreated, and I posit that to exist is to have Energy.

yep, again

striktlymi: These are not mutually exclusive. Nothing can come into existence if it has not been acted upon by Energy.

yep, again

striktlymi: Hence, my position of an uncreated creator (Energy) is not something we cannot wrap our minds around. The point of our divergence can better be appreciated when we ask the question: Can anything give what he/she/it does not have?? Energy is responsible for consciousness and for it to give consciousness, it must possess that ability.

just when i was enjoying myself, you totally betrayed logic.....

does energy posses light, colors?

Can it give light, colors?

Does energy have sound?

can it sound?

does energy have cells?

can it give cells?

energy gives what it doesnt have when it becomes converted to different things in different conditions....

you totally spoiled my fun here

striktlymi: I agree totally but note that the complexities and arrangements you speak of were brought about by this conscious Energy.

And what brought about the consciousness in energy.... because energy is not conscious in itself...

is electric energy conscious? what about solar energy? sound energy?

no form of conscious energy can exist, energy can only power consciousness, brought about by cell connections....

striktlymi: I need to understand what you mean by personality because there is a way one would define it such that it can be attributed to inanimate objects too.

personality, as could feel regret and so send flood, feel love and so kill himself for our sake, be so intelligent and so create life, sex starved and so rape Mary, so disappointed and so create hell, so impressed and so create heaven, wants friendship and so request your servitude and slavery.....

striktlymi: @Bold: Are you saying that consciousness is from the brain?

yep, yep, yep, no brain, no consciousness. Show me a conscious thing, and i will show you its brain, except you want to claim stones are conscious...

but before we go deeper, let me understand your definition of consciousness, is it being reactive? or having a personality? ..... if its been reactive, then energy is conscious, as you claim , but if its having a personality , then energy is not ....

striktlymi: Demonstrate it.

by claiming that because energy powers the brain,it therefore has to be conscious...

striktlymi: This is what I said:



Stop making me repeat myself. It gets tiring.

ok, my answer is the brain, whats your answer and why?

striktlymi: Yet again, the above does not follow...

The fact that one chooses to create something that is 'corruptible' or 'imperfect', does not in anyway imply an inability to create what is perfect. Let me illustrate...

this is an irritating excuse and your illustration is weak

striktlymi: China is notorious for producing a number of fake goods but this same China can produce top quality goods. The fact that the Chinese decide to produce these substandard goods does not in any way negate their ability to produce quality goods.

Now note that what you tag as imperfect or corruptible can be seen in some other light too.

China produces inferior goods to the poor and quality goods to the rich, now apply this excuse and this answer to your god.

Why would he wanna create a corruptible creations, if he doesnt have corruption in himself, and corruptible himself, considering China has both the poor and the rich in itself and has to feed all...

striktlymi: Now you suggest once again that Energy is of one 'kind'. Let me attempt an explanation...

There is one ultimate Energy source from whom all things came to be. This Energy source is conscious and has the ability to determine what it gives life to and what it does not.

#irritating...
you know, am not even debating this claim for now, what am just asking is how the heck did this energy gain its consciousness? Did it just downed on it? Or was it created by a higher, more complex "conscious" energy......

striktlymi: It's 'creatures' whether they have this gift of life or not, retain some characteristics of this ultimate source of Energy. Top on the list is existence. Once it causes something to exist, that thing cannot just become non-existent.

So when you see a vehicle and other objects that are without life, know that the feature lifelessness was deliberately brought about by this conscious Energy.

waste of nairaland space

striktlymi: As I have explained before, this first conscious agent (Energy) is eternal, uncreated and is existence itself. It is its nature to exist. So there is no 'how', 'when' or 'what' etc with it. It just is!

ok, but how did it gain consciousness, or can consciousness just be?

And if consciousness can just be, and if we have lot of forms of energy, why then do you believe in just one god...All these sources are supposed to be conscious too, so if you are right, there are probably a billion and one gods out there ....

striktlymi: By "conscious agent" I simply mean the source of our consciousness. The above would only be valid if Energy was created.

there is no source of our consciousness because that source will also require a source. A river may be a source of water for a community, but have you seen a river without a source?

consciousness is only brought about by cell connections, powered by energy... period, energy is not conscious, nor have a personality.

only when it has a personality can it choose (freewill) what to give life and what not...

striktlymi: In other words, Energy is existence from which all things have their existence. Now you are getting it; hopefully.

yep, as long as you dont claim consciousness for this energy, and then claim consciousness can just be.

striktlymi: I did not say: "everything powered by Energy is conscious".

if energy is consciousness, if it has consciousness in itself, then every form of it is conscious. And everything that it makes up should be conscious.

striktlymi: Does Energy have a creator?

as long as its not conscious, it cannot be created or destroyed...

immediately it become conscious, it requires a greater creator....

consciousness does not just pop into existence, it requires selection, as already explained by evolution.

If everything contains energy, then energy is the simplest form of everything, it therefore doesnt have the complexity to be conscious...

OLAADEGBU: Don't be intellectually schizophrenic. I've already presented the circumstantial evidence of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ on the first page and quoted here for you. Educate yourself and start being logical for once.

an empty tomb is not an evidence for a risen zombie, dont be intellectually dumb...

Sunymoore: U r finally into where. Kidding right?

realm of Satan....

am finally in, thanks be to Satan, the creator of God.

Kabieosi: @ nwuyag

Breezed through your posts, to decide whether it's worth my while picking up your thrown down gauntlet

Some of your posts due to their sensitivities, were read with water in eyes and a heavy heart

Well, to start, it is better this way and/or asking correctly
by changing "Why Did God Put The Tree In The Garden Of Eden?"
to "Why Did God Put The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good and Evil In The Garden Of Eden?"

Unlike other trees in the garden,
God actually had a name for this tree, just like the other one, the Tree of Life

For some reasons, the two trees must be important enough to be out-rightly called/given names by God

This is no ordinary tree and moreso the reason for not wanting leave out the importance adjectives Knowledge, Good and Evil which were used to describe the kind of tree it was.

You are right God is Omniscient, God is Omnipotent and God is Omnipresent.

but you are puzzled with
" ...why did He plant the tree there in the first place,
if He did not want them to eat out of it?"

You are interested in freewill, as you asked "Did I hear someone say freewill?"

but your fascination ends there, as you fail to appreciate, freewill's a mixed blessing

"Good. If truly they ate the fruit out of their
"freewill", God had every power to have stopped them,
and that would have saved the world from
all manners of evil we see today"

You questioned
"Why on earth will an Omnibenevolent God punish anyone
and send them to hellfire for doing something bad,
supposedly done out of the "freewill""

and queried
He gave them (which they didn't even ask for),
knowing fully well that they will misuse it eventually?
Is anyone following me at all? Yes, I know

and then you dropped what was meant to be a coup de grace
"The biggest question is how to solve this puzzle
without arriving at the answer
"You can't question the ways of god"
which seems to me like man is a slave"

I'll tell this for nothing,

it is not going to be plain sailing explaining the why(s) because of prerequisites, mental dispositions for reading/understanding the bible, needed responsibilities on your side for grasping or for the ah-ha facepalm light bulb moments etc etc

and will also say, this bit for now, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the centre of the Garden of Eden alongside the Tree of Life were two very important functions.

Their purpose, particularly the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. tToKoG&E) was to achieve something else once for all and the last/forever


Can I recommend the Book of Job for you to read?

You aren't an ardent supporter of freewill, so what would your alternative then be?
Curiously, how would you have done things?
What would you have differently done?


We can go further explaining the important adjectives Knowledge, Good and Evil, how possibly is God Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent in all of this etc etc after you've read the Book of Job

"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law"
1 Corinthians 15:56 King James Version (KJV)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"
Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death"
1 Corinthians 15:26 King James Version (KJV)

load of rubbish, as already pointed out...

honeychild: I think the tree of knowledge in the garden served two purposes:

1. A reminder to Adam that his authority on earth was limited. God gave him dominion over everything on earth. He had to remember that he was answerable to the one who made him.

2. It would have given Adam the opportunity to obey God willingly. Thus using his free will in the right way.

We humans tend to under estimate the value of that gift: free will. But that is one of the major things that differentiate us free the animals. It is a gift to be thankful for. It's unfair to blame God because Adam misused it.

your dumb god put a tree that they werent supposed to eat, right at the center of the garden and at the same time allowed the devil to trick them into eating it, and that is still adam's fault?

Kabieosi: Not rising to the bait

but whoa with the rude interrupt

Barging in that way, like a bull in a china shop,

won't get you the "straightforward answer" you're feigning.

Consider this:

What happens, if someone without first cutting it up into pieces, eats a big birthday cake?

It will be a clumsy way of handling the eating, which ends up with a fine big mess and a cake face

https://www.standard.co.uk/incoming/article8638928.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/bridezilla-cake-eating-comp.jpg

Why don't you back off the effervescent tabs a bit,

because it's giving out too much "efizzy"

making you swagger and cocky

ok, how does this answer the op?

^^^the point is that the tree is not supposed to be in the purview of adam and eve if there were not supposed to eat it..what sort of a father puts poison around his child? That's the xtian god, the unthinking yahweh...

joel lala: This your post is actual a dumb post..you say it is a universal theory that wasnt started by anybody right? The theory just started by itself and you want me to believe it..yet if christians/muslim says God wasnt created by anyone, you will be ranting up and down...SMH

whats wrong with your brain? evolution is not an invention, and its nobody's culture, its a theory of change and so its general to any thinking community...