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striktlymi: And that's how you know that they don't exist? I thought you only assert what you can prove?

yep, defects in brain that lead to personality disorder is the proof you seek! if man truly has a spirit, defects in the brain shouldnt lead to personality disorder

NativeBoy: Who would the someone be? And what is their endgame after so thoroughly brainwashing me?

On the other point I disagree that the average believing Nigerian is corrupt. They, like everyone else, live within a system that insists upon corruption as the way to get things done.

i only made a point that our government is filled with corrupt people, and these are all god worshipers, so god has no influence on them, he is therefore useless to the human community...

OLAADEGBU: Jesus is whiter than white. Are you black?

you are irreparable...

striktlymi: Hmmm...

And you don't think you are the one making it uninteresting?

i think contrary to that...

striktlymi: Vacuum, empty and the likes are not "nothing" in the sense that you made it seem. Emptiness contains space and as such it is not exactly "nothing". Are you saying that we posit that God came from "space"?

ok so empty space is something to you right? space is the region in which something exist, i couldnt have suggested what you claimed i did. I am saying its impossible for your god to come from anywhere uncreated.

striktlymi: Read again was all I asked.

but there is nothing to read...and if you think there is, point me to it...

striktlymi: That was supposed to be an explanation to: why man can not create.

and its supposed to be evidence for why god can create?

striktlymi: Do you realise that you keep making comments that suggest that the Universe does not exist? The Universe was brought forth into existence by this Energy we speak of. We have already established that Energy is eternal but the Universe has a starting point which was brought about by this eternal Energy.

Despite the Universe having a beginning, it cannot become non-existent because of that from which it came. In order words, it now share one of the attributes of this Energy, which is an inability for it to be destroyed by anything known to man.

except by its own natural processes, like crumbling

striktlymi: Now coming to your question: the simple proof is seen in man and every conscious being. What makes us conscious? I guess your answer might be the brain. But this is not exactly correct.

The brain is not solely responsible for our consciousness. Energy is! Energy gave the brain its ability to aid consciousness in man. Energy cannot give consciousness unless it is also conscious.

P.S: Energy did not arrange itself into a conscious being. Energy existed and in it lies consciousness. You call it Energy but I call it God. Without Energy there will be nothing like consciousness.

story story, this sounds like am reading a story book in primary 1. Am I in pry 1 again Striky?

Just some questions, if conscious is exclusive to the brain, and if energy is consciousness
q1-why do people run mad?
q2-why do we forget things?
q3-why do we die when the brain dies but other organ are functional?
q4-why does brain defect cause personality disorder?

you have no argument for a conscious energy...

striktlymi: No!!!

Somethings are created while others are made from what was created.

well, if what was created didnt have the capability of being turned, it couldnt be turned. In order words, if your god's works couldnt be corrupted, if they were perfect, then they can't be corrupted....hope you get that!

striktlymi: I try to respond to comments that make sense to me. Do you realize that you make comments some times which do not address my query?

allegations without proof...empty!!!

striktlymi: He is Energy.

It takes many billion of brain cells to achieve conscious, i refuse to take it on faith that energy can be conscious in itself.

And you have offered absolutely no proof as to how energy can be conscious.

Now, considering your logic that energy is conscious, and so man is conscious. We also know that everything living or not contains energy, therefore, if energy is conscious, then everything powered by energy (and that is everything) should also be conscious. But this isnt so, therefore, the only possible conclusion is that energy is not conscious, but specific cell connections bring consciousness. Energy is just a force, of four fundamental types.

If there were three fundamental energy types, am certain you would have claimed that is your father, son and holy spirit, but then its not, so make up the fourth person.

striktlymi: How do you know?

no one can prove that the soul of animals goes down and that of man goes up - Solomon

joel lala: @ooman, sorry but am going to come at you and any other atheist here on the bolded...i have kept quiet on it but am going to say something about it.

Now, for some time i noticed that majority of NL atheist always use the word 'YOUR WHITE MASTER' on religious folks here in this forum...but indirectly and directly the NL(nairaland) atheist here too dont know that their atheistic belief or concept is from the so called white master..so if you are accusing someone of having a white master dont forget that you as an atheist have a 'WHITE MASTER' based on your own choosen ideology.

sorry but contrary to you, i dont worship them.. that makes the big difference here...

striktlymi: Sorry man, being very busy. Now let me see what you have here...



That was meant to be sarcastic. The question still remains: What do you mean by "nothing"?




Go back and read my post again. As far as the above goes, you are yet to understand it.



You still do not get it. Existence is part of what God is. Man on the other hand cannot exist without existence. I am not sure if you understand this but man cannot cause anything to to exist because it's not part of his nature.

The best man can do is use what has been given or created already. For example, when we say man is capable of creating ideas, what we are saying in effect is that man can use the brain that has been given already to bring about what we call ideas.

The only one who can truly create or better still: cause stuff into existence, is the one who has existence as part of its nature. It is God's nature to exist.




Now you are getting somethings, though not everything. Let's review some concepts that arose from your comment above:

1) Energy is eternal, i.e it has no beginning and will have no end.

2) Energy cannot be destroyed. In other words, nothing can destroy or create energy. Simply put: Energy is Omnipotent.

3) Energy is everywhere i.e it is Omniscience.

4) Etc.

The point where we may disagree is that I believe this Energy is Consciousness aka God while you believe it is not.




Your opinion.



Nah!

All depends on what you call life. Is a car alive?




God created Lucifer. He did not create evil.



Nah!

It shows love.



Funny how you believe something that lacks consciousness created consciousness and you still hold the view that this unconscious thing is rational? Can rationality come from irrationality?



Your opinion!




The above shows that all you say about Energy being eternal and uncreated, you do not believe.

you already posted this and i already replied it, find that..... you are confused, is your white master's burden so much on you today?

Emusan: I callest thou just to know how you're feeling man

Just always remember me in your prayer when your testimony comes.

what testimony?

honeychild: How intelligent and enlightened.

So far we have seen people who hold Ph.ds in biochemistry, geology, theoretical physics, a kidney specialist, a quantum physicist and a professor of neurophysiology.

Ooman, when you have achieved even a fraction of their academic achievements, then you can feel free to comment on the state of their minds.

Haven't you noticed that the more intelligent atheists: mazaje, plaetton, your big brother and hero logicboy have left this thread alone?

Are u indirectly telling me to leave your thread alone?

macof: ok I offered no prove as to why its true but all I can say is that THE EXISTENCE OF THE OMINVERSE IS PROVE enough to establish the existence of a creator Energy

what do you mean by omniverse?

i believe in energy, i just cant believe it is conscious...

Freedom From Religion Foundation (ffrf) offers debaptismal certificate to people who were abused as a child by being baptized into Christianity by their parents, before age of consent and to those who willingly accepted the abuse of baptism before finding reason and atheism.

As someone already said, "baptism is good with soap", its just a pity that baptism doesnt go with soap.

Download this certificate, print your name on it and keep it as a reference of your debaptism.

Happy atheistic and logical life...

noblefada: Nothing interesting this days from atheists and satanist or whatever they call themselves, recycling the same old inconsequential issues.
@OP thanks for quoting those scriptures out of context, it only prove are ignorant you're about scriptures or ur being mischievous.

nothing out of context here, your good god is a criminal and a murderer, proven by his own holy book.

you and your criminal yahweh shall burn in hell when the great Lucifer arises again....

macof: I believe you can read some of it here. https://www.nairaland.com/1463158/aborisa-yoruba-religion

believe me, i have been there, commented there, but in there, you only explained your religion, you offered no proof as to why it is true, or why energy has consciousness...

note that this conscious energy has also been called yahweh by a xtian, so how do you really prove which god this conscious energy is?

macof: my Ancestors believed and thats the very reason for My religion. The consciousness of the Energy that created the Universe

So you base your religion on your ancestral belief... Make sense...

macof: the complexity depends on the story u dwelling on

Tell me your story, perhaps I ll make sense of it...

InesQor: The logic is inadmissible still, it's a fallacy that reeks of ignorance.

What does it mean for something to be too complex to exist? Once upon a time the internal combustion engine was too complex to exist. Later on airplanes were also too complex to exist.

Exactly, except you are proposing a creator of your god, then he just can't exist by himself...

OLAADEGBU: Let me describe my point again. Christians are not better than "atheists", but the Christian is infinitely better off. It is like two men on a plane, one of whom is wearing a parachute while the other disbelieves in it (the parachute) and thus doesn't put it on. Neither is better than the other, but the man with the parachute is certainly better off than the man who is not wearing a parachute. The difference will be seen when they jump from the plane at 30,000 feet. Our Lord Jesus Christ warned that if we jump into death without Him, we would perish.

Even harsher than the law of gravity is the law of an infinitely holy and just Creator. The Bible says that sinners are God's enemy (Romans 5:10) and that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31) The Evidence Bible.

Why would they wanna jumb? And if there is a plane crash, your parachute can't save you... One wonders how many people have survived plane crash by parachute? You won't have enough time to use it. So once again, you are only wasting your life worshiping a dead white guy.

OLAADEGBU: You say all these because you don't believe in the biblical concept of hell and your understanding of of the nature of God is wrong. The slow-witted criminal thinks that the electric chair is a place to put up his feet for a while and relax. You are playing russian roulette with your lives guys.

Yeah? And what are you playing with your life by worshiping a white guy? Slave and master?

superior1: Tooorr.....I should have faith in you the living-dead black guy instead?



[size=14pt]For the story and message of the cross is sheer absurdity and folly to those who are perishing and on their way to perdition [/size], but to us who are being saved it is the [manifestation of] the power of God
1 Corinthians 1 vs 18
Amplified Bible (AMP)

Slave, continue to worship your white master, and stop complaining to me...

joel lala: Yes, evolution is very objective that it tells us man evolved from apes but evolution cant explain the origin of life...

That is in progress...

joel lala: If your own understaning of the origin of life hasnt been found yet, is it then right to say that other religious beliefs on the origin of life are wrong? Also, how can you say someone evolved from something without proving where the original source came from?

We know animals evolve, we just haven't been able to create life, simple

macof: It has been found but people like you refuse to believe it.

Put it forward again and let's review it...

joel lala: But there are so many proof for religious beliefs too, so man chooses the one he/she willingly accepts..shikena

Offer one irrefutable proof for god, just one and I will believe immediately...

macof: OLODUMARE has no begining, he has no creator, he has no end.

U know the scientific theory of "ENERY can neither be creator nor destroyed"? am sure u do.
OLODUMARE can neither be created nor destroyed, HE is THE SOURCE, THE VERY FIRST FORM OF ENERGY. your life is being preserved by your soul, which is part of OLODUMARE's essence

Ok, you are saying olodumare is energy, right? And do you seriously believe energy is conscious? If yes, offer proof pls

joel lala: If your own understaning of the origin of life hasnt been found yet, is it then right to say that other religious beliefs on the origin of life are wrong? Also, how can you say someone evolved from something without proving where the original source came from?

Because religion is subjective, but evolution is objective...

joel lala: You asked a question, and i asked you a question about the evolution you believe in..My major aim here is that as long as you cant give me a definate and satisfactory answer to my own questions, then you have no logical right to say that you want to make christians get the point of the impossibility of the existence of God when actually you have no total proof of your own notion or conception.

Oh pls, there is proof for evolution. Do some reading pls

truthislight: That which is bigger than your mind, that which the finite human mind cannot contain.

The big picture > just as minute as human are in the univers, though we feel large inwardly, but the planet earth is like a spec of dust.

Humility helps one to know that there is more outside the box

If the human mind cannot contain it, how then do you comprehend this bigger picture.

macof: -My God is OLODUMARE
-OLODUMARE is the source of all Energy
-OLODUMARE's very existence preserves the whole Universe
-OLODUMARE's energy is present in everything
-Our souls are part of OLODUMARE's essense
-U call say OLODUMARE is pure and living energy that controls the Universe

Just where does your god derive his own energy and who created him...

Don't tell me he's uncreated, that would make me claim I was not born too.

joel lala: I never denied the fact that i need education here but according to you we are all modern apes so where did the first acient ape come to existence from? How did it come to existence? that is what i want to know..If i and all human race evolved from an ape, then where did that first ape come/evolve from? that is the aspect where i need the education

There is no such thing as a first ape, evolution is continuous.

I think where this question drives to is the origin of life, and that hasn't been found yet

joel lala: As for the bolded, i dont really believe in a second life or whether i have lived before, however, i respect everybody own perception of life..Some people believe in a second life or recannation, some dont, while other people dont care..and i dont really care about it..if there is a second life hurray..if there is no second life, i will still shout hurray..Thats the way i am.

Ok, how has this long chatter answered any question in the OP?

joel lala: I thank you for now admiting that the actual cause has not been pin pointed..Let me tell you something, no matter how science tries, it will be difficult to explain why almost everybody in the world experiences deja vu..definately they will say something like the brain makes a mistake bla bla bla..but one thing i know is that the brain would likely not be able to store information without a past sensory download or intake first and that is a fact.

ok now, so you believe that this life is actually a second life right, that you have once lived before.