₦airaland Forum

Deep Sight: Well if survival of the fittest holds true, then why is this wrong? If anything, it will help weed out the weak amongst us, and facilitate the generation of the stronger genes. Remember that Lions do this: when they take over a pride, they kill off all the cubs to ensure the generation of their own genes. That is nature. If humans are only higher animals as espoused by evolution, why is it wrong for humans to do the same?

If I desire your wife, why is it wrong for me to kill you, kill your children, and take over her by force - - - > as Lions do, within their natural culture?

This is a very wrong view of evolution and survival of the fittest. Evolution does not occur in individuals but in the whole population. A whole population become extinct or become built by natural selection of survival traits.
So survival of the fittest does not mean intra-species war.

Animals kill their own kind only in time of severe lack. This behavior is also recorded in human history. Stories of parents eating their children, or giving them up for sacrifice spread through many culture. Its also found in the bible. So this behavior remains in all animals including human as a last resort.

You dont kill a member of your kind to survive, it doesn't favour survival of your species since evolution does not occur in individual but in the whole population.

Survival of the fittest is always misunderstood by creationists so no surprise here.

Death in itself is not bad or wrong.

Ijawkid, nothing wrong with the above, no contradictions.

u'v lost your specks or something?

That article needs revision.
A new journal has been published on this matter. Atheists and materialists are now speechless.

The message in that non coding dna sequence has now been completely deciphered. It reads
"'''HELLO MY CHILDREN. THIS IS
THE FLYING PIG,THE ONE TRUE LORD. YOU HAVE
FOUND CREATION'S SECRET. NOW SHARE
IT PEACEFULLY WITH THE WORLD'"

The Flying Pig be praised for this revelation.

striktlymi: ...and what exactly did you predict?

that you'd say what you said.

Mr anony: This doesn't make sense. Remember you started by asking me how I would feel if I was told I'd be killed. I said my feelings doesn't count. Now you are talking "being" by which you mean "existence". How exactly does it fit into our original train of thought? I'm afraid I can't see it.


All I see is you giving laws without backing them up. From a purely evolutionary standpoint, there is nothing wrong with killing your own species. It could free up some much needed resources for your survival.

Still missing the point...your existence, the fact that you are, bestows right upon you to live and not to be killed against your wish.
This is why above 14-20 weeks old fetal abortion are called murder in US states.

That's a lie. Evolution never supports killing your own kind. You are bringing eugenics up now, intelligent selection of traits and that is wrong because all organism except man aren't intelligent enough to know which gene to retain or remove.

Evolution means the weak will die and the strong will survive, never that the strong will kill the weak.

And evolution is not concerned with survival of individuals but with survival of the group or species, this is the only time speciation can occur. so you are pathetically wrong, once again.

Mr anony: By "being", do you mean my "soul"? If not, what do you mean?


Why then were you complaining that killing is wrong when it is in fact the nature of life itself?

why should your being mean your soul? your being is you, your existence.


did you read with open eyes? did you not see this "You may harm and kill other species to eat, its right, but not
your species, because it means
death to your own species."

striktlymi: I laugh in tongues!

The Flying Pig bless you.

Mr anony: I would suggest you read my post again, I feel you didn't quite grasp it.




If life is so meaningless and purposeless as you claim, why is it a right?

why not. If I say my property is useless to me,that doesn't mean I dont own it anymore, I still have right to keep it or lose it. It still mine.

Mr anony: Why?

maybe because another person's life is not your business.

striktlymi: There is no cure for my madness...I am just a crazy fella


Craziness is my identity

Oh Flying Pig, heal this dying soul.

2nedo: I know u unstd me u just dont want to agree that the theory behind evolution is fake.Y one ape when there are many apes.I believe u wont tell me that the evolved one is special.Y the halt?we suppose to witness at least one in this our time

olodo, fossil record show about 30 different manlike apes that are already extinct.

we survived cos of our intelligence.

so, nature didn't start with one ape that led to us, we survived because we can

2nedo: You can laugh and roll on interlock all i care is HUMANS are not and didnt relate to chimps in anyway unless u choose personally to be their relatives,i cant arrest u for that cos everyone have right to his/her opinion.

there is genetic proof.

fusion of chromosome 13&14 to make human chromosome 2.

all living apes have 48 chromosomes, we have 46 because of that chanced but natural selected fusion.

that is why only humans are intelligent in our lineage.

Anony, you are still not getting the point.

No one has the right to take another person's life.

If a person want to die, they may die, but to take another persons life is wrong.

Mods, how you dey??

striktlymi: Serotonin for a simple malaria? I laugh!!!

no no, not for malaria, for your madness

meka chuko: serotonin na drug abi neurtransmitter?

olodo, so you dont know that they inject it?

Mr anony: My feelings do not automatically bestow rights upon me

not your feelings, your being.

Mr anony: You still haven't given us a logical justification for this claim.

Besides it is even more problematic because if every living thing had the right to life, no living thing would feed because in order to feed, they will have to end the life of another living thing hence life as a whole would be illegal

exactly why life is pathetic and meaningless.

To live is to kill, its about causing chaos to remain conserved

Its about encroaching on others to survive

Its about survival of the fittest and never once has it being about design.

Yes indeed, life as a whole is illegal. A lion would kill a human to stay alive, humans do the same.

This is why there is no specific purpose or meaning to things and why moral laws are limited to within a species only.

You may harm and kill other species to eat, its right, but not your species, because it means death to your own species.

Life occurs invidiously.

Mr Anony: Interesting. Nobody is contesting that my conclusion is wrong(morally not logically) in fact we all agree that it is morally wrong including me. However, we are trying to explore a topic and find what logically follows from our initial assumptions. This is purely an intellectual exercise we are having.

Ok

Mr Anony: In order for you to contest it, I would prefer that you gave us logical and philosophical reasons why death is worse than life because if death is not worse than life, you haven't put a person in a worse condition by killing him.

The bold is still very wrong, no one has the right to kill another person, it is left for the killed to ask for being killed by the killer, to kill another simply because the killer thinks his victim’s life is pathetic or so, is wrong, the killer is putting himself in an authoritarian position by that.

Now, because living in a particular form (being you) can only happen once (though it has been calculated that there is a chance that matter can form dna to form an individual in a precise way as now, the chance are too low, we are talking about 1 in a trillion, trillion and trillion in a trillion trillion and even if that happens to occur, that you will live in the same environment is another variable factor). So because you are unique, and probably loved and love, living is better than dying.

Being dead means being at metabolic equilibrium with your environment, meaning increase in disorder of the environment. So your whole complex body is an energy conserving machine. To nature, this is why you should rather live than die. But then disorder always increase anyway, this is why you will still die and this is why you replicate, so your descendants cells or whole organism will continue to do the good work of conservation.
So, according to Jane Reece, a biologist, try to stay alive for as long as your system can remain conserved.

You seem not to know the extent of your argument, I would suggest you look up life and thermodynamics to learn more.

Mr Anony: If your argument is about wills, Are you going to concede that it is right to kill a person as long as the person made the request?

Euthanasia is something I have no problems with.
Away from that, if a person does not want to continue living, why force life on them. Vanity on vanity, all is vanity. There is no satisfaction to lie and in life, no inherent meaning to life. All is just meaningless, so if a person thinks life is too pathetic to continue to live, why force life on them?

Since life evolved for no ‘fixed’ purpose, which is why it is pathetic and meaningless to begin with, as Solomon first stated, destroying creation of life, because everything created are purposeful, if a person does not want to live anymore, they should be granted death.

I think death may be granted upon request. Every living thing has the right to live or terminate their own life only.

Mr anony: Why? I don't see how being in a particular state automatically gives one the right to be in that state.

how would you feel if a scientist turn you into a chimp or if the government tell you you've done enough alive, its time to die?

the fact that you are born human gives you the right to be human, live among humans and enjoy every other human benefit.

everything living has the right to live because non is more important than the other

where are the xtians, where them dey? why are they speechless?

the Flying Pig is indeed doing his work of salvation.

The only reason death is feared is if the living has something to lose, to protect and because there is no second life.

Dying intself isn't evil, its in fact good for survival, if not, the earth would be overpopulated right now of all living things. But killing is wrong, because every living thing has the right to live.

Mr anony: First of all, I will start with the following presuppositions for the sake of this discussion.

1. I'll assume that souls do not exist and even if they do, they do not live on after or before death
2. I'll also assume that there is no God or gods (yeah you heard that right) but somehow miraculously there is objective good and evil
3. I will suggest we keep the definition of good and evil simple as what a common man may regard as good and bad without having to go into unnecessary lengthy definitions.

If we accept the above as basic then I will make my argument thus.

Premise 1: A person's existence begins at birth and ends at death
Premise 2: For a thing to be either good or bad, a subject person must exist to experience it
Premise 3: There is no reason to believe that existence is better non-existence
Conclusion: Therefore if to die means to cease to exist, there is nothing wrong with the state death since the dead experience nothing. Furthermore following from this, killing a person is not intrinsically wrong.

the bold is totally wrong, to kill a person is wrong. No one has the right to take another person's life...... except if the victim asks for it.

striktlymi: Those pastors were never Christians to begin with...

Even Paul wasn't a Christian, he only preached Jesus...

And Solomon wasn't an Israeli, he only ruled over Israel...

Pastor Chris isn't a Christian, he only pastors a church....

And am not an atheist, I only say there is no god

striktlymi: Hmmmm...not what you think

Anyways...I am still on medication.

include serotonin in your pills, it calms the mind and makes you sane

Logicboy03: Dancing Azonto


Evangelical atheist!



lololol



It is inevitable in countries where there is a proper education system and fast internet

It is inevitable in countries where people use their brain

striktlymi: Lol!!!


No joke man...it was terrible while it lasted...

Anyways, the OP is my way of saying that I have malaria

I know you've not been yourself lately

hope you are alright now

musKeeto: ^^^^^
All hail the Flying Pig, Pork so sweet, Mud so nourishing..

You don turn oomad o..

Btw, it takes nothing away from Christianity. Those pastors were never Christians to begin with.. lol

got ya

Rexyl: You should have got it right by this time if you have completely swallowed up your erroneous doctrine and get settled with the reality we have shown you here. Why will you now deny your previous comment of May 6, 10:18am

what exactly is that? quote me

5cassava sticks: Yeah I know right, I've had more sensible conversations in psychiatric hospitals than with you. Mr I-was-dead-for-billions-of-years

Ooman how stupid thou art
In all the earth, there is no one like unto thee

why am i not surprised? mad people make sense in their own eyes.

In 2012 alone, over 200 pastors and church leaders in America alone became atheists, according to MSNBC.

MSNBC: More than 200 church leaders across the country now say they no longer believe in God, including a Houston-area pastor who was one of the first to publicly announce his decision. Mike Aus, who was pastor at Theophilus church in Katy, made that announcement during an appearance on a Sunday morning show on MSNBC.Up with Chris Hayes" program. "If they did, the whole thing would be in trouble."

Theophilus church members told Local 2 Investigates they were blind-sided by the announcement. They said they had no idea Aus had completely changed his beliefs until they saw him on the program.

"Are you going to preach next Sunday?" host Chris Hayes asked Aus.

"I'm going to go back next week and meet with my leadership and talk about where we go from here," said Aus. "We'll see."

Aus was a long-time Lutheran pastor at churches in the Houston area, but now he said he no longer believes in the message he had been preaching for almost 20 years. Aus declined Local 2's request for an interview. He said his statements on MSNBC explained his loss of faith.

Click here to watch video

According to New York Times (click for full story), Jerry DeWitt, a former church leader shares his story.

New York Times: Late one night in early May 2011, a preacher named Jerry DeWitt was lying in bed in DeRidder, La., when his phone rang. He picked it up and heard an anguished, familiar voice. It was Natosha Davis, a friend and parishioner in a church where DeWitt had preached for more than five years. Her brother had been in a bad motorcycle accident, she said, and he might not survive. DeWitt knew what she wanted: for him to pray for her brother. It was the kind of call he had taken many times during his 25 years in the ministry. But now he found that the words would not come. He comforted her as best he could, but he couldn’t bring himself to invoke God’s help. Sensing her disappointment, he put the phone down and found himself sobbing. He was 41 and had spent almost his entire life in or near DeRidder, a small town in the heart of the Bible Belt. All he had ever wanted was to be a comfort and a support to the people he grew up with, but now a divide stood between him and them. He could no longer hide his disbelief. He walked into the bathroom and stared at himself in the mirror. “I remember thinking, Who on this planet has any idea what I’m going through?” DeWitt told me.

As his wife slept, he fumbled through the darkness for his laptop. After a few quick searches with the terms “pastor” and “atheist,” he discovered that a cottage industry of atheist outreach groups had grown up in the past few years. Within days, he joined an online network called the Clergy Project, created for clerics who no longer believe in God and want to communicate anonymously through a secure Web site.

Terea MacBain, a former Methodist worship and teaching pastor who served in ministry for 20 years tells how she lost her faith and became an atheist..

Terea MacBain: A former Methodist worship and teaching pastor who served in ministry for 20 years before becoming an atheist has been appointed as the American Atheist's public relations director. In an interview with The Christian Post, she revealed that despite initially being ostracized by friends, she is now happy and at peace with her decision.

"No it was very, very gradual. Actually there's not really one single moment where I can look back and say ah, that was the moment. It was kind of a slow progression," Teresa MacBain shared about her loss of faith with CP in a phone interview on Tuesday.

After leaving her ministry earlier this year, MacBain, a Florida resident, also served as executive director of the Clergy Project, which offers support to former clergy members who have lost their faith and become secularists.

"My husband and kids were fine, they knew that things had changed for me, but extended family, I lost those relationships. I lost all of my friendships except for one couple. I have one maybe from the church that I'm still in contact with, but initially they were all just very angry. They locked me out of the church and it took me some months to collect my belongings. It was a very difficult situation," MacBain explained about reaction to her initial announcement.

There were those from the church who tried to reach out and speak to her, but those discussions did not go far.

"One pastor that was a former colleague of mine did reach out immediately and I went and sat down and talked to him. He discussed everything and let me share. It was kind of an intense conversation, but after that I haven't heard from that person anymore. I'm not really sure, I guess he just wanted to find some answers," she said.

Full Story

Thousands of Arabs and Muslims also became atheists in 2012 alone according to the world atheist poll that closed recently.

The Flying Pig be praised as He celebrates this victory over yahweh and alla

5cassava sticks: You have exposed your foolishness. How did you know that you were dead? where were you buried for those billions of years? ode.

its better to start talking to a stone than this iddiot

no wonder you are getting banned.