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Striky, do know that angry comments does not necessarilly mean angry feelings? It might be didactic! |
From wikipedia (abiogenesis) - More on number 4 - Eigen's hypothesis In the early 1970s, the problem of the origin of life was approached by Manfred Eigen and Peter Schuster of the Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry. They examined the transient stages between the molecular chaos and a self- replicating hypercycle in a prebiotic soup. [53] In a hypercycle, the information storing system (possibly RNA) produces an enzyme , which catalyzes the formation of another information system, in sequence until the product of the last aids in the formation of the first information system. Mathematically treated, hypercycles could create quasispecies , which through natural selection entered into a form of Darwinian evolution. A boost to hypercycle theory was the discovery that RNA, in certain circumstances, forms itself into ribozymes, capable of catalyzing their own chemical reactions.[54] However, these reactions are limited to self- excisions (in which a longer RNA molecule becomes shorter), and much rarer small additions that are incapable of coding for any useful protein. The hypercycle theory is further degraded since the hypothetical RNA would require the existence of complex biochemicals such as nucleotides which are not formed under the conditions proposed by the Miller–Urey experiment. Sol Spiegelman aimed to find the simplest life form by taking advantage of evolution's natural selection process. His new life form, Spiegelman's Monster , had a genome with just 218 bases. Manfred Eigen built on Spiegelman's work and produced a life form with just 48 or 54 nucleotides. [55] M. Sumper and R. Luce of Eigen's laboratory accidentally discovered that a mixture containing no RNA at all but only RNA bases and Q-Beta Replicase can, under the right conditions, spontaneously generate self-replicating RNA which evolves into a form similar to Spiegelman's Monster. |
Chemical evolution for number 4 - Sidney W. Fox also experimented with abiogenesis and the primordial soup theory producing a number of reports between 1964 and 1988. In one of his experiments, he allowed amino acids to dry out as if puddled in a warm, dry spot in prebiotic conditions. He found that, as they dried, the amino acids formed long, often cross- linked, thread-like, submicroscopic molecules now named " proteinoids ". In another experiment using a similar method to set suitable conditions for life to form, Fox collected volcanic material from a cinder cone in Hawaii. He discovered that the temperature was over 100 °C (212 °F) just 4 inches (100 mm) beneath the surface of the cinder cone, and suggested that this might have been the environment in which life was created—molecules could have formed and then been washed through the loose volcanic ash and into the sea. He placed lumps of lava over amino acids derived from methane, ammonia and water, sterilized all materials, and baked the lava over the amino acids for a few hours in a glass oven. A brown, sticky substance formed over the surface and when the lava was drenched in sterilized water a thick, brown liquid leached out. It turned out that the amino acids had combined to form proteinoids, and the proteinoids had combined to form small, cell- like spheres. Fox called these "microspheres", a name that subsequently was displaced by the more informative term protobionts. His protobionts were not cells, although they formed clumps and chains reminiscent of cyanobacteria. They contained no functional nucleic acids, but split asexually and formed within double membranes that had some attributes suggestive of cell membranes. |
Any fool can say anything about nature but for an eediot to say laws of nature are pseudoscience is alarming. |
I will upload excerpts from his books later. |
Ihedinobi: Ah, but it is your reason for thinking so that I'm enquiring after. I am not ignorant of the man himself. I am ignorant of your reasons for considering him very intelligent.Well, did you think that it might be because of his achievements? Anybody cannot simply achieve what this man has achieved without really being intelligent. Success is what separate folly from wisdom. The man is successful, he is intellectual, same as Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are. |
Yooguyz: you are still an athiest thenYep but not on nairaland. These fools who call themselves atheists are bugging me. I can't bear this foolishness any further on nairaland. Even the bible makes more sense than nairaland atheists. |
Can I convince you his intelligence? No. But you can decide for yourself. Check him up on google, follow wikipedia, all his achievements are stated. In my own opinion is Dawkins intelligent? Very. |
^^^^you know, the problem with you is that you can't figure out the difference between chemical evolution and darwinian evolution. Your quotes are correct, but YOU misapply them always. You always place A where B applies. Go back to school, they will help you and if not, then go to a mental institution. This is the last I will say to you. |
shol: Mr Ooman I'm sorry I don't understand what you're tryna say, do you mean God actually wanted the fruit to be eaten? And by PLANS WORKING. What do you mean?well watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_a6RjR_AHY |
God was hoping on man eating the fruit for his plans to work, so he put the man and the serpent together!! |
^^^as a xtian, you would find the God delusion disturbing. Its against all forms of spiritually. If you are scientific, you will find the blind watchmaker interesting. |
Ihedinobi: Dat one na talk. Talk is cheap, my friend.have you read the book? |
AND AFTER ALL THESE, A FOOL STILL DARE TELL ME THAT LIFE IS IRRELEVANT TO THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS?? THIS IS TOTAL INSANITY!! |
Without the second law, there can be no evolution - so says - http://2ndlaw.oxy.edu/evolution.html |
and from more reasonable sources: To summarize this important conclusion that is known by very few who are not chemists: Energetically, the second law of thermodynamics favors the formation of the majority of all known complex and ordered chemical compounds directly from their simpler elements. Thus, contrary to popular opinion, the second law does not dictate the decrease of ordered structure by its predictions. It only demands a "spreading out" of energy when such ordered compounds are formed spontaneously. Also, to repeat a caution: The foregoing only describes energetic relationships [size=20pt]involving the second law[/size]. It does not mean that most complex substances can be readily synthesized just by mixing elements and treating them in some way. [size=20pt]The second law has nothing to do with pathways or procedures of synthesis – only with energy and its tendency to spread out/disperse.[/size] Most complex molecules may require the expertise of one or of many chemists to put them together in a laboratory. [size=20pt]However, so far as the second law of thermodynamics is concerned, not only water but cholesterol, DNA, the anti-depressant in St. John’s Wort and millions of other complex substances contain less energy than their constituent elements. Therefore, thermodynamically, their formation from those elements would be a spontaneous process, energetically favored by the second law.[/size] AND THIS IS ORGANIC EVOLUTION. EVERYTHING THAT EVOLUTION STANDS FOR!!! http://2ndlaw.oxy.edu/evolution.html |
Thermodynamics is a compound of two Greek words, therme (heat) and dunamis (power). How come this never includes living systems? |
after all my attempts. I have nothing more to say to these fools. When ever those i directed my OP to replies, i shall come back. |
and even more diagrams for the children
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EVEN MORE ILLUSTRATIONS FOR THE EEDIOTS
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wiegraf: Ok, ok. Just don't jump. We'll miss you, trulyIGNORED |
yet another illustration. If only the illiterates hiding as atheists will understand!
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wiegraf: lolcan you just shut up??
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MacDaddy01: I actually read part of the paper you gave.interpret evolution from a thermodynamic view means that interpret life as a result of thermodynamics, which is everything i have said which you fail to grasp. |
wiegraf: You really do need crayons, picture books (preferably with stories feature miracles), etc to grasp this.blah blah blah of a pig!! |
wiegraf: Eya, your intentions were honest. You thought someone was suicidal, someone who went out of his way to state he wasn't so in anyway whatsoever btw, then just posted the first thing that came to your mind. It's a little like this, even if not exactly.yawns, absolute nonsense. Got no time to read this c.rap. There is nothing sensible that can come from a person who think that entropy equals order. |
^^^^ actually, i am used to your unintelligence, it is no longer alarming!!! |
musKeeto: Cry-baby... Evolution must have worked a little too hard on your lacrimal glands... As for your brain, it's more like a revolution... Something spinning wildly and out of control...you know, guy, you can kill yourself if you want. There is no room for dummies who are tired of life.!!!! NL will be better in your absence and your death will make no difference!! |
Life is the manifestation of the second law of thermodynamics, it is totally disappointing, absolutely insane and totally incomprehensible for any eediot to claim that life is irrelevant to the second law of thermodynamics. I will not accept this insanity for any reason. Attached is another document, upon all other i have provided that explains the second law. Titled "life as a manifestation of the second law of thermodynamics" in my sig |
MacDaddy01:sorry but there no fools but anyone who think that life is irrelevant to the second law of thermodynamics when in fact, life evolved because of the second law of thermodynamics. |
musKeeto: Glad we made your sig...SMH |
MacDaddy01:i have no time for foo.ls |
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