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felixomor:
*gulp*

Sorry Ohh How old U?
Cos if U are a fully grown man,i would be so disappointed!

felixomor:
*gulp* *gulp*
I am still gasping

Smh

felixomor:
* STILL GASPING AIR *

Chai
When U have a superior argument...am always here to engage U
For now,it seems U are indirectly telling me from ur recent statements that U have exhausted every thing U know about the bible or ur logic reasoning!
Sorry i put U through this state U are going through right now

felixomor:
If lecturing you about tithes existing before Moses which you were obviously ignorant of before this thread will make me gasp air.
Wow, I will gladly gasp so much more

U are just dancing up and down with no substantial argument...
Well thats what happens When U lack the necessary biblical prerequisites to make a flawless argument
Just prove ur lofty statements and stop making a staggering mockery of ur dear self!!

felixomor:
Oh the fact that a priest in the bible takes instruction from God alone lacks reasoning.?
Wow

U are wasting time bro
The energy used in cancelling my writeups should have been put into good use in finding that fathom "instruction from God" to Melchizedek which was only revealed to U only!!

U remind me of a pastor on this forum who called the tithe law "spiritual principles"...Hope U are not the same person?

Just humbly admit that ur poorly concocted logic of "tithe instructions from God" fell flat on ur face!!

That speaks much of your own reasoning capacity
You are very intelligent

From what it seems,U are seriously gasping for air!
No biblical inclinations,and no manipulative logic to Use!
Ur warped theory has just been badly exposed and battered!
....sorry i didn't mean to choke U but U deserve it for trying to be clever by half
Pride goes before a fall bro

felixomor:
A priest takes instruction from God
Go and study the meaning of priest.

Bro Ur statement lacks reasoning...
The time U used in telling me "A priest takes instruction from God" should have been used to sort out scriptures about the tithe law before moses....
An instruction from God to priest Melchizedek that wasn't recorded in the bible?

An instruction to tithe that was only made known to Melchizedek and yet not recorded...

All the instructions from God to priests or prophets during that time was recorded in the bible

Why is the tithe law instruction from God missing?

Or was ur so called "logic" about the pre-law tithe law formulated?

Why is it so painstakingly hard for U to get a "single scripture" about a tithe law before the mosaic law

Please Just give me scriptures and stop exposing ur lack of biblical knowledge!

If u cant, rest.

Like I said Ur line of argument is too weak and lacks content...
Until U can come up with scriptures about where the tithe law is stated by either Melchizedek or any priest before the law was given,Ur assertions will continue to remain flawed and an apparent hoax!!

felixomor:
I can now see you dont know the function of a priest
Neither do you know the meaning of priest.


Its not by force to argue bible bro.

Bro Ur argument is too weak!
Whatever deceptive "instructions" that isn't contained in the bible is not only a lie but a hoax and must never be adhered to by believers!

So how was Abraham supposedly able to know about such since this ur so called "instructions from God" is kept with the priest alone?
U talk of logic and Yet U aint applying it?

This is even why your argument has lasted this long.

Absolutely not...on the contrary,the reason is simply because U have refused to swallow ur pride and accept the truth!
Please next time don't only come with a better argument but use scriptures to amplify it!!

felixomor:
Oga. The instructions were with the priest Melchizedek
That why he is called a priest.
He speaks to and hears from God.
A priest never collects what He is not told to.
Try to get it

Instructions that were not stated in the bible but was made known to the priest only?
So how did Abraham supposedly find out about this "tithe law" since the so called "instruction by God" was only known by the priest alone?

Chai!
Ohh My God!

How come U are the only one who knew about this "instruction from God" given to the priest and yet it was never stated in the bible?

felixomor:
A priest never acted without God's instruction.
Its simple logic.
Get it

Good! so where is the "instruction by God" to tithe during the time of Abraham as contained in the bible?
Let the real logic be done using scriptures!!

felixomor:
Your logic goes like this
because Davids Mother was not mentioned in bible, therefore David had no mother.
Its poor logic.

Abraham paid tithes to a priest
If it was someone else, I would have said maybe it was kind gesture as you wrongly implied.
It was to a priest
So that makes it significant
Priests never acted on their own.

Bro U said there was a tithe law that was observed before the law of moses was given
I asked that U provide scriptures to back Ur claim;

U told me its with the priest Melchizedek....(As if the priest was hiding the said law )
I also asked U to present them and U started using uncoordinated logic to mask ur failure to provide scriptures that prove tithe took place before the law!!
There is no logic here...Just provide it and stop these evasion!
If U don't have scriptures,Ur assertions are weak and hold no water!

felixomor:
There were no scriptures before Abraham

Am not refering to pre-Abraham
what Tithe Law was Abraham using during his time on earth?

The laws were with Priest Melchizedek

So state the "tithe laws" that was with the priest Melchizedek before the law of Moses!

So dont expect to see them

Unbelievable!!
So U are following a tithe law that was never stated in the Bible?

So now answer your question.

Bro ur question will be fully answered after U have shown me where tithe law was laid down before the law of Moses was given
Stop this delay tact by running to another topic when U are yet to explain the one in front Of U...is that how U learn?

felixomor:
The law that made him pay a tithe to priest Melchizedek..

So where is the "tithe law" that Abraham is obeying?
Where is it stated in the scripture?
U have scriptures of it right?
Please present it here!
I want to learn!

Now answer your question on circumcision.

Thats not what we are discussing....Lets settle one first before delving into another topic of discus!

felixomor:
Then explain why Abraham paid tithe to a priest before Moses came.
Simple

Thats the same thing am saying....
Before the law of moses was instituted,Which "tithe law" obligated or mandated Abraham ?

felixomor:
Sorry you are not being sincere also.

Please state where am not sincere...I asked U a simple question based on ur assertions!
U said the "tithe law" existed before the Era of moses right...No wahala
I also want to know about it too....
But i need scriptures from the bible,esp the ones before the law of moses was given, to confirm Ur assertions...
It must be backed up with scriptures from the bible!!

felixomor:
Learn what?
Before this thread you never knew tithes existed before Moses.
So assimilate that first.

Okay U said the "tithe law" existed before moses..right...No biggie
Now give me a scripture that obligates or mandates the people who existed then to "tithe"...Thats All i need!

Secondly, u want to see laid out scripture, then I asked you where in the bible did Jesus lay out that you should circumcise male children?
Since then... Nothing

U are not being sincere....we ain't talking about burnt offering or circumcision!
we ain't talking about the time of Jesus or what he said about male circumcision
We are talking about whether the "tithe requirement" existed before the law of Moses was instituted...
Since U said the law of Tithe was pre-law,Lets centralize and focus our discussion there!

felixomor:
Forget Mosaic Law
There was tithe before Moses came.
Period

U are not being Factual....
If there is,Please prove it with a laid down Law in a specified scripture BEFORE the law of moses ....
Scriptures dont lie....
Show me or swallow ur pride and learn!

felixomor:
The early Christians gave everything
Thats the fact.

Fine! they did give ALL but were they under any obligation to do so? Absolutely not..
Were they required from scripture to give ALL....? No!

...whether they gave a 100% or 50% or less is not the important thing...The intent is to be benevolent and generous no matter how much U give....This is what delights the lord (2 Corinthians 9:7)
They gave ALL because that is what they decided to do...They were not obeying any LAW when they gave ALL
Acts 4:32 - 35
2 Corinthians 8:1-7
2 corinthians 9:7

And Tithe was already being done before Moses was born. You seem to find it hard to comprehend that.

U seem to be so hell bent on this tithe before Moses...Okay
We all know there was a requirement and obligation as contained in the mosaic law...Right?
Please tell me a "tithe law" that existed during the time of Abraham that compelled or mandated every one at that time to tithe of his or her income to a church " (Thats if a church existed then)
While U are at it, please show with a scripture where "the law of tithe" was declared like that of the "law of moses"

felixomor:
Good, it was based on their decision
And all of them did it.
They didnt wait abi.

So also tithe should be done cheerfully,
Dont wait to be cajoled before giving
Becos the early Church even gave much more.
Ten percent shouldn't be a problem for you.

Tithe is no free will...Its a requirement from the law of Moses..And totally different from freewill giving..dont be deceived...!

U cant give what is required
U pay for it...Thats what the people of Israel did with food supplements and not money
"Biblical tithe" was an obligation to the people of lsrael like every other law contained in the the law of moses

There was no scripture where the early believers in Acts were asked to tithe
there is no scripture that instructs or obligates believers to part with a tenth of one's income to the church

U initially quoted Hebrews 11
Am still waiting for U to extract a specific verse that either obligates or "freely" instructs believers to tithe

Becos the early Church even gave much more.

The early Christians GAVE WILLINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY
It was never forced Or REQUIRED on them hence they GAVE MORE!

felixomor:
What lie did Ananias tell?
Does it have to do with removing money from all he was supposed to give?
Simple



..............

The scripture i gave is very explicit.....
U just want to see it from ur own view...
Ananias connived with his wife to keep some money for themselves....
But they never needed to lie...You know why?
It was simply because it was their money and they could have decided how much to give Acts 5:4....which was free will
But they preferred to lie just so that they would make others think they gave ALL....

The message from that scripture is clear....Your giving must be determined by U and no what is required!!

Each of you should give what you have DECIDED IN YOUR HEART TO GIVE, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
2 Corinthians 9:7

hence,there was no reason whatsoever for Ananias and his wife to lie simple because it was their money and at their disposal to give whatever they decided from their heart!!

Secondly,



Here is what the bible says:

Acts 2:44 - And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

Acts 2:45 - And sold their possessions and goods,

I guess U mistakenly referred this to me...
But there is some thing U need to grasp about the believers in Acts 4....
When they gave ALL,it based on their decision....simply because they had decided and agreed to give or share every thing they had with others..
There was no law requiring them to give ALL....It was just a combined decision from everyone!

Acts 4:32:
"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.

You said only Barnabas sold his possessions

As for Barnabas,the bible never stated if the field he sold was the only one he had but from what Peter told Ananias before he died,
the money given was at their disposal....in other words,feel free to give whatever U have decided to give from your heart!!

felixomor:
Sharrap.
Why was Ananias struck dead?
What did he lie about?
Thats why I pointed you to the story.

Acts 5:3 - 4

Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold?

And after it was sold, wasn’t the MONEY AT YOUR DISPOSAL?

What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.

hoopLA:
Can you explain the above blasphemy with justified proof?
Because you are find of stretching the truth.
Please do so or be quiet.

I'm waiting.
Now watch this fellow tie himself with torturous knots of confusion.

TheTrueApostle:
My brother, forget that guy, he can see within his mind eyes that he has been scammed all these while, and he's is just too shamed and embarrassed to own up. He feels disgraced, that's why his is trying to muster frail disingenuous defence that holds no water. Abeg forget that guy.

Where are others tithers, let them commout and defend their tithing. I await them , as Felix no longer has what to say.

Exactly!!

My belle ohhh

hoopLA:
I kid you not.
After hearing that I knew the body of Christ is in serious trouble.
Even after showing him several scriptures about having to obey biblical injunctions and how the present day tithing can never be equated to what is in the Bible, dude kept in ranting and moving goalpost anyhow to suit his argument.

U are right...The church account part shocked me...i also had the opportunity of engaging a popular pastor on this forum and i was perturbed by his hefty assertions about tithe...what almost threw me over was when he had as usually moved the final goal post,he ended up saying tithe was a "spiritual principle" that had no scriptural inclination...I pray believers come to the knowledge of the truth and stop allowing themselves to be deceived!!

I have since decided to not take any pastor who actively believes in tithing seriously and regard such as a con man.
I've been reading your back and forth with that charlatan and initially I was tempted to ask you to not bother given that he/she is a deliberate hardheaded ignorant person but in the end I'm glad you kept opening up his/her weak argument. And just like I thought, display of ignorance/feigning amnesia/dodging issues characterized his/her post, just like I said when I first posted in response to your initial post.

The brother started off as some one who was sincere...he later changed his tact like most of the tithers took me to a journey where we travelled the entire dispensations with nothing to show for it...he finally ended with a scripture hebrews 11 that he finds so difficult to defend...am still waiting for him to explain...i still believe there is some thing he wants to show me from the scripture

felixomor:
The money Judas was collecting and holding for the group
Do you know where it came from?

felixomor:
I simply asked you, who is our priest equivalent of Melchizedek ?

That was a joke cos thats what tithers call pastors - priest
But didnt U see the scriptures i offered U are did U just ignore them

I never said pastor is your priest
You see why I say English is hard for you?

Come on nah don't get paranoid and start insults nah...U are wiser than that nah

hoopLA:
It's terrible.

That's why they are mostly charlatan noisemakers who hardly ever practice what is in the Bible they profess.

It's really sad because they deliberately act ignorant so as to make an argument hard for you to convince them e.g this tithe argument. One of them, supposed to be a pastor, once told me that the storehouse in Mal 3:10 is the church's bank account . Can you imagine that nonsense? All to justify the stealing and extortion scheme calledtithe.

Jesus is Lord

[quote author=felixomor post=61402409]I thought u said all principles have binding laws
Or the amnesia has reached there now?

I guess U just quoted me wrongly....Remember our reference is the bible...hence all the principles "contained in the bible" has binding laws or instructions

Pls do the needful

I am guessing u didnt understand what i said....U said Hebrews 11 states or depicts that believers are to tithe to the "body of christ"
Its up to U to show or point what verse or what part it is...Simple!
Or if U made a mistake accept it and call another scripture

felixomor:
I dont think u know what corresponding means

Yes bro i know exactly wat am saying U have none
corresponding - similar,comparable
Comprendo?

Hehehehehe, the Melchizedek story I guess was from biology textbook ba?

By the way,
As Christians, who is our priest equivalent of Melchizedek today?

Bro stop dis evasion nah...U havent finshed a question and U are going into another?
Na so U dey take learn?

As Christians, who is our priest equivalent of Melchizedek today?

Hope ur priest aint ur pastor?

Read Hebrews 7:11 - 28
Hebrews 8 and 9

felixomor:
The principle of sowing and reaping has no binding law that you must sow
Does it?
But he who sows will reap. Simple

Bro the vowing and reaping principle quoted is scriptural and contained in the bible
evasion tactics isn't really ur forte...and sorry to say this but U are not quite good at it!

I will use the scriptures I used to show you Melchizedek
Simple

Please Do and also....quote the part where Hebrews 11 shows believers tithing to the body of christ...Please i beg U

felixomor:
Nah
I am simply proving you have never read Hebrews 11

Ur back and forth with Hebrews 11 isn't helping U...its rather exposing U...cos someone will read that scripture U quoted and wont see believers offering their tithe to the "body of christ"
U cant just quote a scripture without understanding it.....U don't even have a corresponding scripture to back it....So how would U form a doctrine where there is nor anchor scripture....? Chai