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rhymz: hahahahah. . .you obviously lack the intellectual depth and stamina to make your point. At this point, I will let you be, knowing how difficult it is for you to conjure up any smart argument without blabbing away about nonentities. It is so hard to defend Jesus, especially when you are debating with sob smarter than you.

I see!

Do you think you can win by losing? You're by far the worst on this thread. You're the one who has lost his position on this argument. I think I told you to ask about anything you can't really help yourself to comprehend.
And as for me defending Jesus it is far away from me cause I don't have to defend him but "PREACH" him for my God is all powerful!
You're the type the Bible says will be replaced with stone.

all4naija: The so called Holy Bible that Apocryphals and other books were removed. The so called Holy Bible Christians called the writing words of God. So, I am not talking about the books on your list.

My life is to live for a while, die and decompose as to living in reality and truthfulness to existence as we know it to be. Not living on some fairy tales like you.

It is a shame you allow yourself to be brainwashed which is the worst of brainwashes.

Eyaah. . .I'm so sorry for you fellow. If truly the so called Apocryphals & other books were removed it was done for our own good that the Holy Bible be an aphorism!
You mean your life? Were you the one who created yourself?
Brainwashed? Oh, let me be, for it's better to be than to deny the existence of a supreme being!
So, don't force me or make me believe in your pseudo-knowledge!

all4naija: Hehehe... You still haven't got it. After all the explanations about that book inconsistency, the contradictory messages, its questionable origin, etc. You still haven't got it. Huh!

Hey dude, which of the books?
A. The virtue of selfishness by Ayn Rand
B. The ramblings of a young Athiest by Amy Walters
C. Satanic verses by Salmal Rushdie
D. Dawkins Rebukes Cameron books
E. The book on Esoteric fields
I guess it's not the Holy Bible sha!. . .What is your life? (James 4:13-17). You better stop your ramble about the "Gospel".

wirinet: The post above contain the most senseless reasoning i have ever come across. What do you mean life is not a bed of roses, is that a law promulgated by YHWH, so as to keep his adherents suffering and smiling? No wonder Christianity is popular among millions of poor deprived people in sub Saharan Africa. In Europe, especially in Scandinavian countries, life is indeed a bed of roses. Even in capitalist Britain, life is a bed of roses for the royal family and the aristocrats. It is only with the common man that life might not be too comfortable a bed of roses.

So what was YHWH's initial plan for man? And who interfered with the plan of the all powerful omnipotent, omniscient, omnieverything else YHWH. Was man to acquire knowledge according to this plan? What about everlasting life (immortality)? Why did he have to guard the tree that would have given man immortality?

Then what kind of free choice did your YHWH give man? Obey me and worship me 24/7 or face condemnation and eternal punishment. And that is your definition of freewill. I think York God should have created robots, because even monkeys would not obey such freewill commands.

So who have the power to stop evil - man or God? Because if man has the power to stop evil while your God cannot, then man is more powerful than your God

You shouldn't think your mess up there is a smart quest for the existence of no God? You're spiritually blind (2Cor 4:4). Besides, I dont think you took time to read my post on this suffering of a thing. Visit the chapters of Genesis 2 & 3 and you'll know how everything started. When I said life is not a bed of roses has several meanings attatched to it. What do you know about the history of scandinavian countries? Or do you wanna tell me that wealth over there is equitably distributed? How could you just conclude that the sub-saharan region is the poorest cause of christianity? Do you wanna tell me that the under-developed countries worship God alone? Go make some more research and tell me that not all persons suffer in these so called countries where beds of roses are/dwell. Even these countries are recognized as the scenes of greater natural disasters like tsunami, earth-quakes, epidemic, endemic, pandemic & the likes, tell me why, if not because they don't believe in the existence of God! Why do we have the less of the havocs in Africa? Why has Africa only exprienced eclispe which is no disaster than to give everyone a day or parts of a day holiday. Why has nature not molested our land? Answer these and tell me how stupid & ungrateful you feel like!

rhymz: So in essence, regardless whether you are born again or nothing, God's plan for you includes suffering, wickedness towards you just to keep you in check until you get to heaven where you will ultimately face another level of eternal suffering and enslavement being his music juke box. The more you blab about this your God, the more you give the picture of a psychopat that derives pleasure from hurting people who do not agree with his way. And you wonder why many people are turning atheists?

You don't have any point and stop confusing yourself in the name of atheism. What do you understand by the English proverb that "Life is not a bed of roses"? So, you think man should wax in enjoyment for the rest of his life? Haba!. . . Go and read the book of Genesis on God's initial plan(s) for man were it not for his bad free choices.

Your question on stopping evil means that if God is to stop evil, then we must stop evil. This means that the murderer must be stopped along with the thief. Apply some sense pls!

rhymz: Like some body said, this is dumb! Can you please raise the bar of the discussion, you are getting lame with the useless explanations that do nothing to answer the main questions. Can you please stop with the diversionary explanations of what you think about God's regret, I am not asking for you to help me explain something that is very clear and direct as to what the bible says about God. My point is how do you reconcile a perfect being feeling regrets for his own actions, it is like me slamming my laptop on the floor knowing fully well that it would spoil only for me to start feeling regrets, does that not show some insanity or lack of control in me?
If you can't intelligently answer the question I will understand instead of insulting common sense with your verbose, pointless explanations that only serves to cause diversion from the issues raised. Who cares about what yoi will do if you were a God, wait until you become one, meanwhile, face the issue and stop the pointless blabbing.

I don't think you understand the concept of "Anthropomorphism". When you do, we shall proceed!

ooman: I dont have any religion and am completely free. You need freedom from religion.

Your believe in freedom from religion /theism will only endanger your existence the more even here on earth. I liken such a person as a confused wanderer! Were you the one that created yourself?

ooman: oh, you think the cause of your religiosity is certainty? its because you are too scared of hell from childhood.

Even if so, let me be. . .Do you think yours has made you brave enough and fully emancipated? I feel sorry for you!

ooman: I can ask you the same thing, which of the class of other gods do you belong. Pathetic.

My good friend, the cause of your own atheism is from the bathos of confusion! Go get your fundamental stand. . .

ooman: There is no other gospel apart from that of the flying spaghetti, there is no other truth apart from the fact that the flying spaghetti is the only TRUE god.

If it's a flying spaghetti then which of the classes of other flying noodles do you belong? Pity!

ooman: What is the truth?

The gospel truth which thou has chosen to ignore!

ooman: Dumb and insincere explanation.

Silly and infamious commentary! For you can never suppress the truth.

rhymz: The same God continued to show regret and ambivalence about his creation yet he is perfect and all knowing.
In Genesis 6:6, it claims God basically regretted making man and that it grieved his heart. Don't you see the absurdity in an omniscienHe knew the future, therefore knew the outcome of "sin", and he is perfect, so assuming that he can be sad...why would he regret having make mankind in the first place? And who did he tell this story to? Ridiculous.

If I were God, I would certainly regret having made mankind. I mean look what idiots we are!

God regretting making man as it's termed as "Anthropomorphism"........for it's just like seeing a tender father injured & affronted by his son's folly, stubborness & rebellion angers him & makes him wish he had been childless!

It's actually true in Gen 6:6 that God "regrets." The passage caught my attention in the same way many years ago as it has yours now. I would say that your "guess" is quite correct.
Therefore, there is no reason to think that "regret" is an actual representation of God's view of things. If we understand it as a conscious anthroponomorphism (ascribing creaturely & human traits to God), we can realize that the Holy Spirit is allowing the human author a certain liberty to express divine realities in human terms & let it go @that. Understood? What other question(s)?

rhymz: Ultimately, you are trying to attribute every evil concievable to man even the ones that has nothing to do with man.
So you are saying natural disasters like the hurricane katrina, tsunami, earthquakes, volcanic erruptions, diseases are all caused by Man, realy?
Can you please explain how God uses destructive elements and evils as a means for instruction, discipline, greater plan and warning and yet he is a loving God with exceptional design powers.
You even unwittingly showed how the bible contradict its claims of a perfect world creation, because a skillful designer will envisage certain flaws that mind render his supposed perfect design imperfect and in effect make him look unskillful. If God was convinced of the perfectness of his creation, why then does he continue to destroy and rebuild the world.

As I said; "YES" man is partly responsible to account for suffering & evil in the world.

1. When I said @freewill means that God has given us freedom of choice. Having freedom means that we can rebel against God & make choices that are contrary to his desires. Since we can say that evil is anything contrary to God's perfect & holly will. Evil & suffering are the result of making bad free choices like in the case of Adam (Rom 5:12).
2. God uses suffering to discipline & instruction. The Bible tells us that God disciplines those whom he loves (Heb 12:6) & that no true child of God is without discipline & instruction: It's obvious that the results for our rebel against God bring suffering & it's also true that we can learn through our suffering that such rebellion is bad.
3. For warning: Evil & suffering in the world can serve as a warning against breaking God's law & then people can see the necessity of following God's truth. God's ways are right & good & following them leads to security & safety.
4. For the greater plan: Undoubtedly, God has a plan since God knows all things. He's not surprised by the presence of evil & sin in the world that brings about suffering. But if God knows all things from all eternity, then he's perfectly capable of using suffering as a greater plan. The best & simplest example of this is the suffering of Christ @ the hands of evil men. It is by Christ's suffering & death on the cross that we're able to be redeemed (Acts 4:27-28).

Have you now been enlightened?

rhymz: Uhm. . . I will appreciate it if our argument goes beyond the "atheist vs Christian" cat fight, I would rather we use critical thought process and the evidence of history and archeaology to argue our stance.

Let me give my response to some of your arguments:
1. One of the reasons you claim alludes to the existence of a God is design.
There is a problem with such an argument because it ignores the existence of a flaw , evil in such a design. If truly this deity designer is all perfect, all knowing, all seeing and ultimately all powerful, how could he have designed a cosmos or Universe so flawed with evil, natural disasters, diseases, suffering and so on?
Does it mean he is not perfect, all-knowing or powerful to create a perfect design model devoid of all these evils?

2. You talked about the Universe having a start and the cause.
I would appreciate it if you clearly state what it is you are reffering to as "the Universe having a start". It does not present anything to debate about.

3. The Universe of course operates by "natural" Laws, laws that have come to be better understood by the empirical efforts of science and not mere beliefs.
Besides, the fact that science has understood these natural laws so well to the point it can function against it and get results shows the superiority of science over the creator of such laws and principles. This again points to the fact that the designer might not afterall be a perfect, all-knowing deity whose works can't be flawed or tampered with.

4. The DNA code only points to thesame argument I am making, the designer is not perfect as advances in genetics have shown these things can be altered to give an incredibly awsome result better and superior to the natural ones.

5. I don't know what you mean by "God pursues us", that is a very delusional assertion and does nothing to help your argument. Keep such a childish talk for sunday school pupils.

6. I find your claims here about Jesus very interesting even though such passionate claims can't be proven to be true, it will take a faithful christian to believe such a hogwash. But since I don't realy believe in the non-evident claims of faith, I say let us briefly examine your claims this time with the aids of critical thinking and common sense. The claims of Jesus being a God is very alien to the Jewish people from whom christians stole heavily to set up christianity. According to the God-spells, Jesus was crucified by the Romans yet there is no record of such having taken place in the whole of the Roman history books besides the one from the early church and the canonical gospels.
Thesame canonical accounts that continued to giving stunning contradiction of Jesus's life take for instance Jesus's last words:
JESUS' LAST WORDS ON THE CROSS
MAT 27:46-50
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOHN 19:30:
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
He existed yet it is so difficult to accurately give account of his life.
More worrying is the fact that no historian of the time made mention of the man and his disciples despite the fact that he was recorded in the Bible as highly political figure whose notoriety for pissing off the priests caused him his life. Don't you find it worrying that it is so hard to picture who Jesus realy was outside of the God-spel fairy tales. Nobody even knows what he looks like, was he white, black, arab or a green extraterrestial from planet heaven, we don't even know that.

I'll only reply your comment on item 1 cause time won't permit me for verbosity/much elaboration.

It seems you don't have any knowledge on the Biblical creation. You see, when God created, he created everything perfect & saw that "it was good."

God is all powerful & loving. Suffering can fall into three simple categories:
i. Emotional
ii. Mental &
iii. Physical suffering.
There are different explanation for why God allows suffering but none of them can satisfy everyone. Therefore, I will simply list various reasons offered to account for suffering & evil in the world.
A. Man's free will
B. For discipline
C. Prevention of further evil
D. For greater plan
E. For instruction
F. It is the result of sin
G. To serve as a warning.
Which of the above need I deliberate on to you?

musKeeto: Of course, it's God's negligence. Why give a few longer lives so they can have a better shot at repentance, while their actions continue to harm others? Is their life worth more than the rest? Can you use common sense for once and stop trying to absolve your dog of all responsibilites?

If he's happy to claim he created the skies and rivers, he should also take responsible for hurricanes, earthquakes and floods...

I'll start by answering your questions from the book of Ezekiel 33:11. "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?"
Because he considers the offences of the wicked while their actions continue to harm others ain't far-fetched....

1. Jesus is an example of one who committed no sin @all, yet was persecuted & killed by wicked men. So we may follow his example & suffer, not for our faults, but when we do good. (1Pet 2:19-23)
2. The treatment Jesus received should warn us of the treatment we can expect. The world hated him, and it will do the same to his servants. (John 15:18-20; 2Tim 3:10-12)
3. All people suffer as a result of Adam & Eve's sin. (Gen 3:16-19; 1Cor 15:12)
4. Some suffering from wicked men can also be a temptation from Satan.
So God should not be blamed for the existence of suffering. MY CONCLUSION:
Faithful xtians will suffer yet the xtian's life is still the best, because only faithful xtians have the assurance that we can endure, that God'll help us!

musKeeto: And while he gives a few a chance to repent, a million are suffering as a result of their sins. What a useless God...

And you think that the lives suffering is as a result of God's negligence? The devil inspired are the ones that have given the devil strategies to afflict and make people suffer and curse God. He's not to be blamed, he saves his people who call on him, so be wise!

kj_hova: I'm happy for you mate as you are "heaven" bound. Sadly, this whole "ojuju calabar" hell fire fear mongering doesn't scare everyone. Not all humans are kid enough to believe in an "all loving" creator god who created his own arch enemy which he had to grapple with in mortal combat for ages, let's his own "son" be murdered by his creatures to conjour up a win only to ultimately toss supposedly "erring" creatures in a fiery fireplace forever. We might as well believe in ogres, wiccands, leprecauns and all.

Like the @op said originally, is your religiosity an attempt to escape god's tuture or that u love him or her irrespective?

Only time will tell for the day draws near!

manmustwac: Thee fact that Nigeria is a very corrupt country where our Politicians loot as if there is no tomorrow our Police take bribes and kill with impunity, our church leaders are only interested in fleecing their flocks instead of thinking of how to move the country forward is more than enough proof thatgod don't exist.

So, do you think that has helped you enough? God slowing collective punishment does not mean judgement/justice has not been passed. I don't think you know that nemesis has begun to catch up with these looting politicians even with their current & unborn generation. He is slow to justice because he wants to give them a chance for repentance and restitution or else they will likewise perish. God is there watching us all!

kj_hova: Hey dude, although your narrative is a bit lenghty, I'd try to take them on with precision.

Let's suppose you are right in that our complex universe supports the claim for design, shall this argument not also support the existence of many gods beside yahweh, jehovah, allah or whichever deity you choose to conjour up? Their's no way we can tell if there was just 1 designer at work or a group of them, right?

Your items 2 to 4 are not much other than an expartiation of item 1 so we shall move on.

If we accept item 5, then we'd have little choice but to accept delusion or halucination as great spiritual encounters all the time. Kindly note that not all humans have the feeling that some gods are pursuing them.

Item 6 has absolutely nothing to do with atheism or agnosticism as I care less what any religious nut-head claims himself to be. He may declare himself a prophet, god or demon however he choose but it won't change the fact that it's just his opinion & nothing more.

Fellow, you better don't wait for doomsday before you concur or shake hands on the existence of God! There's only one God (JEHOVAH) and one mediator (JESUS).
It's just okay for bypassing item 2-4. And answered 5 vaguely. 6 is supposed to pose a challenge/thought to you of the immaculation of the true God-sent son (Jesus).
Anyways, I've tried to put you in the right path of worship and focus....don't say you didn't hear, for you shall surely give an account!
God be praised!!

kj_hova: Apparently sire, my sarcasm is lost on you. What I meant was that if you believe your pastor could heal cancer just by praying, I will not be surprised if you also believe that a witch could kill with "voodoo". Hence my reference to both as bollocks.

I won't try to turn you from your belief system but please bear in mind that belief doesn't equate to fact. It just the order of your thoughts.

Do you think miracles done by Annoited Ministers of God implies magic? God is not a magician. So, magic and divine signs & wonders contrast. The main reason for miracles or signs & wonders is that it aids the gospel to make men convinced & believe in the Omnipotent. Moreso, the Bible forewarns us about magic done by false prophets for they never last any longer. Know that now!

kj_hova: Am not quite sure what side of the divide you are, my dear friend. But if you are atheist or of any other conviction close to it, we are on the same page.

As a student of History, I have come to learn that legends may originate from true stories. However, the reality of the legendary figure is almost always different from the fables created later on by adherents.

Now all this talk about "self soothing" & "bunkum", I'm truly lost to how such words help shed light on our discuss. I hope you understand the order of my thoughts now.

Dear fellow, I'm a faithful believer & worshipper of the true Living God. The reason for saying Athiests are self soothing is because they don't wanna believe there's one who's Supreme they go after self-will/freedom from a belief by summing it up with superfluous scientific proofs/myths. They are self soothing in alliance with their non-belief, were they the one that created themselves? Haba! If they are confused let them seek, I'm sure they'll find. They know the truth but try to suppress or ignore.
Never mind the history men tell cause it's only helped to ratify untrue scientific assertions. Even History has given men to know that they know nothing about History!

rhymz: it is not about whether it is antagonistic or not, it is the substance of the evidence that is provided that matters.

Smh...now my conclusion is "Athiests are the most miserable people on Earth!"
Wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is a brief attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists. But first consider this. When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God. On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he's there, he says, "You will seek me & find me, when you seek me with all your heart, I'll be found by you."

Does God exist? Here are six straight-forward reasons to believe that God is really there; Before you look @ the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, if God does exist, would I want to know him? Consider.....
1. The complexity of our planet point to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
2. The universe had a start-what caused it?
3. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature, why does it?
4. The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behaviour!
5. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating & seeking for us to come to him.
6. Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us. Why Jesus?
Look throughout the major religions & you'll find out that Buddha, Muhammed, Confucius & Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them claimed to be equal to God!

rhymz: You obviously have not taken time to study the biblical history and how it came about to be popular.
While the masses are led to believe that the Christian religion was founded by a historical wonderworker and his devoted eyewitnesses who accurately wrote down the events of his life and ministry in marvelous books that became “God’s Word,” the reality is that none of the gospels was written by its purported author. Also, the New Testament text did not exist in any writing prior to the beginning of the second century of the Common Era (“CE”), long after the purported events. Should it not be a cause
for concern that the books that contain the purpoted life of christ surfaced almost a century after his death and were mostly written by anonymous authors that were not bold enough to use their names until the church fathers fictitiously decided ascribe the names of the so-called disciples of christ who were mostly illiterate peasants and farmers that could barely string words together decently.
I suppose you are smart enough to know that it would take literate scribes to write these books in greek in the way they appear and are arranged. Such writing skills could not have been from mere illiterate farmers, tax collectoctors, fishermen and such low-lifes that allegedly flocked around him as disciples.
It is only in these books that we find
the story of christ, how anyone will take such claims seriously and on the spot dismiss any suggestion or evidence that points to its invalidity as a reliable source material to prove Christ's historicity is beyond me.

I'm not surprised! You're full of enthusiasm for picking shreds from antagonistic books. It won't help you!

kj_hova: Hi pal, I will ignore the illuminati part of your comments as you & I know that no matter how many junk videos you have seen about it, it still amounts to hear say & not more.

As for the question of my awareness of people being involved in voodoo & other stuff like that, yes I do. Witches kill with their craft as much as pastors heal cancers miraculously! It's both ways bollocks!!

I see! So you're aware of the existence of voodooism but only to finalise it's of sorts with miracles? There's a great difference! You've chosen to ignore the truth but accept and attest anti-christianity.

kj_hova: Well the historicity of the gospel & epistular characters have not been convincingly verified, yes. However, the notoriety of the books & the christian faith convince me that a historical Jesus, Paul, Luke etc did live in Judea at 1 point. Even neutral archeologists attest to this fact.
My conviction is that whatever bogus faith based stories that was eventually associated with these characters differ by miles to the reality of their lives.
I believe that if I ever met the real Jesus or even Buddah or Confusius, my respect & estimation of them will be better than how their religionists have attempted to sell them.
These blokes were probably nothing more than great social reformers who, unfortunately, came way before their time. I wager that if Gandhi had come to India around 1000BC, we'd have had a religion named Gandhism today with Babuji Mahatma as the god therein.

And you think this conviction of yours isn't self soothing? Bunkum!

ooman: do you agree or disagree, get your facts straight

Agree on what, that it is a fairy tale? GOD forbid!

ooman: do you agree or disagree, get your facts straight

Agree on what, that it is a fairy tale? GOD forbid!

ooman: Paul's vision was an hallucinatory experience, no spiritual implications

I agree it was a hallucinatory experience, he heard his voice directly and in clarity (Act 9:4 &5) and submitted himself. Formerly he thought he was helping GOD as a religious fanatics and got converted. If you were him, you would have wanted him to show himself in person. Stiff hearted generation, you're just like your ancestors (Acts 7:51)!

all4naija: Do you what I hate most in this world? GOD. It is a big failure. However, it never existed in real life but in the mind of the believers. So, it's right to say I hate the deceitful minds of those who believe in fairy tale of religion.

I don't blame you as it is said salvation is personal in respect to the event of the shewing of our LORD JESUS CHRIST to Saul (Paul) in the BIBLE. His followers were also privileged to experience the illumination yet chosed to reject.
You say we're brainwashed, thank you. For it's better to be like an infant than to engage in pseudo- science of this wicked & obstinate generation of the world than to curse the Almighty and omniscience GOD!

kj_hova: That you even mentioned the "illuminati" displays your propensity to swallow myths.
To help you a little, Atheists don't just believe there's no god; atheists accept that there are no gods, devils, minions, demons, angels, spirits, djinis, fairies, leprecauns, ancestral forces, santas, gurus, messiahs, prophets, ghosts, witches, goblins, souls, occult or cosmos.
Atheism is not a new phenomenon to mankind. It has been in existence since the dawn of homo sapien knowledge. Atheists have demonstrated complete disregard for gods since before allah & yahweh and will remain stedfastly in this part long after the demise of allah, yahweh, buddah, zoroaster, jehovah etc. Even when new gods are conjured up by the gullible, atheist will continue to denounce them until, hopefully, tomorrow's mankind (homo machinus), will completely rid itself of d false concept of gods & spirits which was inherited from our homo erectus forebears.

Dear fellow, #smh#. I can see how u pretend not knowing the existence & worship of the "illuminati", "baphomet" and the likes. I won't argue much on that. To aid my proof, I advise you to go and get your video copies on the exposition of the occultic illuminatist in the American Music industry from the nearest video shop(s) in your locality. Alaba/Onitsha market can provide you its seasons at cheaper price if your vendor sells @ higher price. IT'S A FACT & IT'S REAL!
All names mentioned above being equal except my capital GOD (YAHWEH). Permit me to use the one we're familiar with of their works here in Africa, I can't use all.
Do you wanna tell me you don't believe or accept the existence & cruel works of witches and wizards?
C'mon, don't tell me you don't know they cast spell in pari pasu incantations? Don't you know that some of our countrymen still have juju/charms, magical amulets, wands etc for magic? Fellow dude, don't wait bfore they cast their spell on you that then you'll accept the existence of evil spirits!
I disagree with the above. Go get videos on primitive activities of being. Science has been the worship of athiest you know. Prove to me it's as old as man!

True believers on this thread & NL as a whole, I urge u never to give in to the assumption(s) of these self soothing athiests, they've sold thier soul to the devil. They're illuminatist; they wanna rule the world with thier father; the devil in the name of science (knowledge)! Did u know that most even all athiests in America are in the brotherhood of such?
NEVER GIVE IN; remember GOD's word to us about false prophets and deceptive teachings (Matt 24:11). Also, ignore their saying that "GOD is a schadenfreudist!"
Moreover, let's continue carrying out the mandate of our LORD JESUS CHRIST i.e the DAWN programme (Discipling A Whole Nation) to disposses the devil & his minions' territories & carry the gospel to them.
Things they say and replies:
1. The BIBLE was written by illiterate medieval philosophers. Fine I accept, no wonder the BIBLE says in Hebrews 8:7; "For if that first covenant (old testament) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second (new testament)." With that quote, tell me where the 2nd covenant (new testament) has been faulty?
2. GOD never exists. God really exists if u don't know. I've not seen him b4 but I feel him everyday & in everything I do. I'm 101% sure he lives in me (John 15:4)
3. There's no life after death. Visit & study Luke 16:19-31 for illustration!