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cocoduck:
The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

"Actively Promotes Apostasy" to whom?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

or

Apostasy to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

These are very two different forms of apostasy.

Be specific.

Or are you indirectly implying that Christ = the Governing Body?

That would be BLASPHEMY!!

Courz:
Hahahahahahahaha. The fool thinks people have no brain cells.

Nice one Oteneaaron. 👍

He tried to do a rebuttal, but ended up doing a shoddy job.

Great work with that thread bro.

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse and Kumuyi of deeperlife and trousers palaver no go end today and will be interesting from here on. See them having to discuss with disfellowshipped persons now since they have reduced that too to conscientious matter

One liar will say they didn't ban them from discussing with disfellowshipped people

Come and see what one of them is saying on this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/8032574/anti-jw-called-courz-spewing

He is trying to do a rebuttal, but is failing so woefully at it.

cocoduck:
I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

Courz:
Bro, I never knew the post would make front page.

You dey see wetin we dey see? Governing body are desperate o. See rebranding because of Money! Max and Co have suddenly gone missing. Jehovah's Witnesses dey vex o. Some are happy about it though like the Sisters wearing Trousers to Kingdom hall. They have already started it in the U.S with some of them posting their pics on social media.

Hahahahahaha

MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are hiding their head in shame.

As cowards, they have no other choice than to obey the Governing Body whether it makes sense or not.

That court case they lost in Norway was a major deal breaker.

Did you also notice that the tie Mark Sanderson wore in the video is the same color as the Norwegian flag?

What does that tell you?

They are literally begging a government in "Satan's world" to have access to their free money.

What a SHAME.

cocoduck:
Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.

Just like many other Jehovah's Witnesses on Nairaland, you are a BIG LIAR.

If you really watched the video as you claimed, how does the scripture that Mark Sanderson quoted apply in this case?

2 John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.

2 John 1:11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

The people who you disfellowship and shun did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

The people who you disfellowship and shun for opposing your beloved Governing Body, did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

Do you see how hypocritical your religion has made you become?

Stop spreading LIES.

People are much wiser now.

They see your religion for what it really is - a dangerous high control cult.

This is a GREAT THREAD.

Weldone Courz for making this information public for Nigerians to know what's going on within the CULT of Jehovah's Witnesses.

What a joke of a religion.

Their true God is Money.

What are your thoughts?

Do you agree with the above information, that the story of the Great Flood was copied from the Epic of Atrahasis?

Later on in this thread, I will share with a translation of the Epic of Atrahasis so that you can read it for yourself.

Cheers!

Despite the striking similarity between the Sumerian and biblical flood myths, there are several small differences - details such as:

1. The reason for Mankind's destruction
2. The number of days the flood lasted
3. The name of the mountain
4. The types of birds sent from the ark and
5. The ark's dimensions, are all slightly different.

However, the major events are identical and in some places, the Noah authors appear to have lifted entire phrases from the Sumerian story.

Some of the differences between the stories appear to have been necessary to adapt it to the Jewish religion, for example, the Abrahamic God is omnipotent so he couldn't have starved without humans to provide for him although he still savored the sweet smell of the offering.

Other changes reflect different Notions of Heaven. For example, Atrahasis was blessed and granted immortality while Noah was blessed and allowed to live longer than his descendants before going to Heaven.

Furthermore, the Sumerian religion was polytheistic with the God that warned atrasis being different from the God that brought the Deluge. This aspect of the story could not be reproduced in the biblical version.

Genetic studies show that the Hebrew peoples originated in an area known as the fertile crescent which principally includes Mesopotamia as well as Northern Egypt, Syria, and Israel.

Indeed Abraham the proposed ancestor of all Jews was born in the Sumerian city of Ur, [/b]thus it is likely that the founders of Judaism were familiar with the specifics of the Sumerian religion including the story of Atrahasis.

It is common for religious stories and traditions to be borrowed from earlier accounts, for example, supernatural myths about Jesus [b]may have their origins in earlier beliefs about Osiris, Horus, Sol Invictus, Mithras, and Dionysus.

Likewise, it appears that the Hebrew people made the Epic of Atrahasis compatible with the beliefs and ideals of their religion.

Successful religions presumably do this because developing new myths would be less believable to populations that already have their own myths.

To survive and prosper, a new religion must borrow and modify rather than invent. It must show why the old myth actually means something different.

The Hebrew people would have been familiar with the story of the great flood and it would have been more credible to make a few alterations to the story than to claim there was no flood at all.

The similarities and necessary alterations to the Sumerian flood story that appear in the Bible version make it almost indisputable that the latter plagiarized the former, in other words, the Sumerian flood story is the original version of Noah's Ark and without the former, the latter may never have existed.

What follows are direct quotes from the stories of Atrahasis and Noah to illustrate their profound similarity these quotes come from the Epic of Atrahasis, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Old Testament.

ATRAHASIS: "The boat you will build her dimensions all shall be equal: her length and breadth shall be the same, cover her with a roof, like the ocean below. (Atrahasis speaking "Three myriads of pitch I poured in a furnace"

NOAH: "Make thee an ark of gopherwood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. The length of the ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50 cubits, and the height of it 30 cubits"

ATRAHASIS: "Take on board the boat all living things seed"

NOAH: "To keep seed alive upon the face of all the Earth"

ATRAHASIS: "I sent on board all my kith and kin, the beasts of the field, the creatures of the wild, and members of every skill and craft"

NOAH: "Thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark"

ATRAHASIS: "For six days and seven nights there blew the wind, the downpour, the gale, the Deluge, it flattened the land.

NOAH: "And it came to pass after seven days, that the Waters of the flood were upon the earth. And the rain was upon the Earth forty days and forty nights"

ATRAHASIS: "It is I who give birth, these people are mine! And now like fish, they fill the ocean"

NOAH: "And, behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the Earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and everything that is in the Earth shall die"

ATRAHASIS: "On the mountain of Nimush the boat ran ground"

NOAH: "And the Ark rested in the seventh month on the 17th day of the month, upon the Mountains of Ararat"

ATRAHASIS: "I brought out a dove, I let it loose: off went the dove but then it returned, there was no place to land so it came back to me. I brought out a swallow [same result]. I brought out a raven it saw the waters receding, finding food, bowing and bobbing, but it did not come back to me"

NOAH: "He sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro until the waters were dried up from off the Earth. Also, he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground. But the dove found no rest for the soul of her foot [...] again he sent forth the dove out of the Ark [...] and lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf plucked off.

ATRAHASIS: "I brought out an offering, and to the four winds, made a sacrifice ."

NOAH: "Noah built an altar unto the Lord and took of every clean beast and every clean fowl and offered burnt offerings on the altar"

ATRAHASIS: "The gods did smell the savor sweet, the gods gathered round like flies around the man making sacrifice."

NOAH: "And the LORD smelled a sweet savor and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake"

ATRAHASIS: "He touched our foreheads, standing between us to bless us"

NOAH: "God blessed Noah and his sons"

ATRAHASIS: "You, birth goddess, creator of destinies, establish death for All Peoples."

NOAH: "My spirit shall not always strive with man for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be 120 years."

As the human population grew the Gods began to regret their decision - the noises made by the throngs of people disturbed the gods' sleep and the Earth God Enlil attempted to cull the population by sending plague, famine, and drought when his efforts failed, he sent the deluge to destroy mankind.

The other Gods pledged to keep Enil's plan a secret but the clever Enki decided to warn one of his followers.

Atrahasis was told to build a boat and to take onboard all living things. When the flood came, Atrahasis, his family, and the species of the earth survived. After 7 days, the boat came to rest on Mount Nimush and Atrahasis released a dove a swallow, and a raven to search for land.

The Gods recognized the imprudence of their actions for they were starving without humans to produce their food and when Atrahasis made them an offering, they swarmed to the scent. Atrahasis was blessed with immortality and settled far away from the next generation of humans on a remote island.

Enlil was angry with Ea or Enki for betraying his trust, but he soon realized Ea's wisdom. A new batch of humans was created with several deliberate flaws -

To control overpopulation, humans were made to suffer from stillbirth and infant mortality. Some women were also made to be priestesses or nuns who refrained from sexual activity and most importantly, the angel of death was unleashed drastically reducing the human lifespan.

This explanation for the evils of the world is an important and clever part of the Sumerian flood story because it solves the problem of evil inherent to more recent religions.

The Sumerians worshiped a diverse Pantheon of gods of which a supreme triad or trinity ruled over a myriad of lesser deities.

Anu was the supreme sky God, Enlil presided over the Earth, and Enki dwelt in the ocean below.

In the Sumerian flood story, these Gods sent the deluge to wipe out mankind.

The Gods warn the story's protagonist to build an ark and preserve the beasts of the wild he was called Ziusudra, Atrahasis, or Utanapishtim depending on the era.

Generally, the name changes reflect the evolving language of the region rather than changes to the story.

The story only changed significantly in the Old Testament version to reflect the beliefs and traditions of the Hebrew people. For example, one God instead of many (see the definition of the "Elohim".

The Sumerian account begins with the creation of mankind and follows the events that led to their destruction by the supreme triad of Gods in the deluge.

It is preserved in its most complete form in the Epic of Atrahasis but also appears in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The Epic states that the gods lived on earth before the time of man the supreme triad had ordered the less powerful Gods to work the land maintain the temples and grow food. Eventually, these lesser deities rebelled and refused to do any more work.

The Supreme Triad was sympathetic and ordered the mother goddess Mammi (Ninmah) to create humans to do the work instead.

Humans were fashioned out of clay and to give them reason and an immortal soul, the intelligent young God Gesh-tue was sacrificed, and his blood was mixed with the clay.

Gesh-tue happened to be the leader of the rebels meaning the first humans shared his deceitful and pugnacious nature.

SOURCE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVybMa6kXcI?si=PQzIDWDGvQ130u9O

The story of Noah's Ark first appeared between the 10th and 6th centuries BC in compositions that became part of the Jewish Torah and the Old Testament.

At least several hundreds of years before this account, scholars from the ancient Sumerian civilization authored a remarkably similar account of the flood.

In the Sumerian flood story, a hero builds an ark to preserve the species of the Earth from a great deluge that is sent by the gods. This tale appears in the epics of Atrahasis and Gilgamesh which are up to 1,000 years older bringing the veracity of the later biblical account into question.

The Sumerian civilization emerged from what is now called Iraq in 4,000 BC. Still, before the Jewish Noah, it was also known as Akad, Assyria, and Babylon based on various city-states that achieved dominance in the region.

The geographical region is most commonly referred to as Mesopotamia - between 3,500 BC and 3,000 BC the Sumerians developed what may be the oldest form of writing likely older than Egyptian hieroglyphs called the cuneiform script which they carved into clay tablets - it is on these tablets that they recorded their story of the deluge.

HellVictorinho6:
The behavior of mum and her daughters 2wards me has become worse.

I'm sorry about your experience.

But let's have details.

What kind of behavior is that?

What could have led to that?

HellVictorinho6:
i regret introducing my parents and siblings to the church of jesus christ of latter day saints

Take a deep breath and take it from the top.

Are you been shunned or what?

What is exactly the issue?

Courz:
Do you know what is so irritating? These people love to quote Bible Scholars and Historians too much. They take so much pride in doing it and claiming that they are established facts! Just go through their publications. It is filled with dates from Secular History. So, I wonder why they just specifically picked 607 out of all the dates to invent themselves because they need their lies to fit with it. That's why I am asking them how they got 607. Are JWs Historians and Archeologists? What ancient documents do they have to back it up? We have been asking them this question since 1914 and they have refused to answer. So, what right thinking person would take such clowns seriously? Wouldn't intelligent people rather take established facts and provable evidence from Archeologists and historians than taking from a bunch of people that imagine things and turn them to doctrines but still cannot explain them to the public? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

They will never agree with the true date of 587BCE

Without 607BCE, there can be no 1914 doctrine.

Without the 1914 doctrine, then there can be no 1919 doctrine.

Without the 1919 doctrine, the religion seizes to exist.

So they must stick to 607BCE - the very existence of the their religion depends on this date.

Michael547:
I have never said anything about a cult here. You've been the one saying it. So you should explain.

Why don't you answer the many questions I have asked you before?

Don't you think it has become one-sided?

It feels more like an interrogation.

From the onset, I told you that I am not a member of my religious group or sect.

I also told you why.

Is there a reason why you're intent on finding out whether or not I have found others who share similar thoughts as I do?

I'd like to understand why.

I'm listening.

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue claiming you have direct access to God but it still doesn't make it true!

Touché.

😂😂

MaxInDHouse:
You see what i'm saying?
Whatever i believe shouldn't be your business if you're against a conventional opinion about God you should be OK with yours while i'm also OK with mine.

No cross examination!

You believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE, but archeologists and historians have proved the opposite with evidence that it was actually destroyed in 587BCE.

Based on your belief of 607BCE, you also believe that Jesus returned to earth in 1914.

But since archaeological evidence proves that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607BCE but instead in 587BCE, it automatically destroys your belief in 1914.

You might chose to continue believing it of course, but it still doesn't make it true.

Michael547:
So are you saying that the moment you meet or stumble on anyone who worships God like you do and you guys are in agreement, then you guys would become a religious sect/cult or group?

How do you define a cult or sect?

Let's start from there.

MaxInDHouse:
You claim you have direct access to God and you're OK with that so you're asking why does your opinion matter to someone asking you but then you're here complaining about other people's beliefs.

It is not a claim.

I do have direct access to God.

Do you?

Moreso, I didn't complain about your beliefs if that is what you're insinuating.

I have only consistently exposed your religion for the cult that it is.

Why?

Because I spent many years of my life as a baptized member of the same cult.

So what gives?

That really amuses me because if you don't want to be questioned about the relationship between you and your God why complaining about others?

Is that what you think?

Have I stated on this thread that I didn't want to be questioned?

In a conversation, it goes both ways.

If you ask me a question and I answer, courtesy demands that you answer my questions too.

If it is one-sided, then it becomes nothing more than an interrogation.

if truthfully you're contented with your god there is no reason complaining about others.

As they're OK with their Gods as well!

Exposing the LIES of the Jehovah's Witness cult doesn't mean I am complaining.

I have lived through it, it is my experience and I will expose it for what it really is.

Cheers bro!

MaxInDHouse:

I hope you're enjoying the show.

😁😁

Michael547:
So your creator does not care too if you are the only one on this path?

I asked you a question earlier but you never answered.

Instead, you answer my questions with more questions.

Why does it matter to you?

I have direct access to God and I don't belong to any religious sect or group.

Is it your problem if I am the only one on this path?

Why don't you tell me about the path you're on?

Are you sure your creator is not trying to save only you out of all of us on this planet earth ?

And yet, another assumption.

Since you're the one asking, why don't you tell me what you think?

It doesn't matter if people call him fake.

The truth is that Peter Obi has always been consistent.

If you think say e easy, then do am make we see.

😂😂

More grease to your elbow sir.

Michael547:
My life my rules? Really?
Not even the rules of my creator?

You cannot plant corn and expect to harvest yam or can you?

You reality is defined by your choices, and these choices are defined by your beliefs, and your beliefs are in turn defined by your thoughts.

So yes - your life, your rules.

You are in the drivers seat.

You either take control or you don't.

The choice is yours either way.

Again, how come you've not even stumbled on one person who has taken this your part even though you did not search for the person?

Why are you trying so hard to fit me into your box?

You are only making assumptions.

Why does it matter to you if I have found others like me who have realized that they have direct access to God and therefore, do not need to belong to any religious sect or group?

Moreso, why is it your problem?

Why are so fixated on this?

Don't you think that you might likely be the only one on this path?

Unlike you, I don't have a herd mentality.

I am on my own path.

I have direct access to God, and that is all I that matters to me.

I don't need to belong to any religious group or sect.

I don't care if I'm the only one on this path.

Remember, the masses are always led - they never lead.

Cheers bro!

Michael547:
So even if you've not been searching for those who are worshiping the creator like you, you've never even stumbled on anyone all these years?
Na wa oo.

Your logic is quite funny.

Just because I am not searching doesn't mean they aren't people on the same path to find the God within.

Know thy self.

Like I said from the onset, you are in the drivers seat - your life, your rules.

Cheers bro!

Michael547:
Lol....so your creator cannot connect you with any other person that is serving him?

Hahahahahahahahaha

Like I clearly mentioned earlier, I am not a member of any religion nor sect.

I am not looking join any religious group nor sect - not after my horrible experience with the JW cult.

If you choose to be a member of any religion or sect, the choice is yours - not mine.

Remember, you are in the driver seat - you create the cause and must live by the effect.

I choose not to belong to any man-made religion - I am focused on finding the God within.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

And you have not even found any yet?

I was never searching for one in the first place.

I am not joining any man-made religious group or sect.

Is this clear now?

Don't you think that you might be the only one who might be saved among all the billions of people on this planet earth?

Hahahahaha

There goes the Jehovah Witness mentality of being saved in exchange for the death of billions during Armageddon.

God is the father of ALL the billions of people on this planet and all the trillions of sentient beings on billions of planets in the known universe.

God is also a spirit - this means we have all have direct access to him.

Didn't your Bible say you must worship God in spirit and truth?

I say this again - the choice is yours to make.

Become a member of any man-made religious group OR find the God within and know thy self.

You have the free will - life is your canvas and you are the artist.

Cheers bro!

Michael547:
So you actually want me to follow a step which you know would not even make sense to me?

No offense bro.

I only said that because of the question you asked - it sounded like a question only a Jehovah's Witness would ask.

You are a Jehovah's Witness, aren't you?

But I should follow it because 'it is what it is'?

I only asked you to look within and find the God you seek.

Know thy self.

The choice is yours.

Only you can make that move - you are in the drivers seat.

Remember, you can always remain where you are - that is why it is called free will.

Now since when you have been following God on your own and within yourself, have you been associating with others who have been doing the same as you? Are you all in agreement?

Spoken like a true JW.

I guess my words were too cryptic for you to decipher.

I am not a member of any religious group nor sect, neither am I "associating with others" - I have no need for any of that.

I am on an everlasting path to become one with my creator.

If this is too much for you to understand, then like I said earlier, it is what it is.

Cheers bro!

Michael547:
Now that you've found out all these lies, can you point to another religious group that teaches the truth?

No, I cannot do that.

Do you know why?

Because you don't need any man-made religious organization to find God.

Look deep within yourself and you will find what you seek.

Didn't your Bible tell you that God is a spirit?

Didn't the same Bible tell you that you are made in the image and likeness of God?

Does that not mean you are also a spirit being - just like God?

Be calm, look within and you will find what you seek.

Wetin you de find for sokoto is inside your sokoto.

Man-made religions like the Jehovah Witness cult will only keep you in an endless treadmill where instead of finding the God within, you end up worshiping a group of men who claim to be the "direct channel" to God.

These group of men even have the effrontery to say that you must obey their every word even when it doesn't make any sense.

I know that this might not make any sense to you, but it is what it is.

I repeat - you don't need any man-made religious organization to find God.

This is a GREAT thread.

Kudos to the OP

Great work so far @Emusan & @Courz - happy new year guys.

Finding out the truth about when Jerusalem really got destroyed was one of the reasons why I woke up from the JW cult.

As a student of ancient history, I have read countless reports from reliable archeologists and historians who all agree - with proof that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BCE not 607BCE

Since Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BCE, that means the doctrine of 1914 is FALSE - "Jesus" didn't return invisibly in that year.

And since the 1914 doctrine is FALSE, then the doctrine of 1919 is also FALSE - which destroys their claim to have been selected by "Jesus" in that same year.

The 1914 doctrine is the "foundation" upon which the entire JW cult is built - once that foundation is destroyed, everything else falls apart Iike a deck of cards.

That is why the Governing Body insists that their members should not have independent thinking and must not do external research.

How can the "only true religion" teach LIES?

Once again, this is a GREAT thread.

achorladey:
Better performing performance group people

Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Aemmyjah
Cornelboy



Who is copying who here as better performing performance group?



Cc: Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, tctrills come and watch something


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXuYBegTLFE

Wow

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are more alike than different.

Thank you for sharing this eye opening video.

Happy new year bro.