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Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 3:01pm On Jun 14, 2015
Kelvinpam:
I cant believe this. ..I'm not a saint to condemn but OP you are SO WRONG. how did this get to the frontpage in the first place? Every1 is entitled to their opinion but I'll advice we be cautious with our words...the unbelievers in here, have you ever imagined if your "facts" were wrong? You will definitely give account of everyword u say said here and also be held responsible for all the pple you misled. My advice to all: whether you are a muslim, christian or atheist, live a sinfree life and leave the rapture commotion to God

I pray we all make heaven.
What shall it profit you to open a thread, then rush to comment seeing only the topic.
What's "rapture theory"? Why is it false?
What exactly is the Bible say about Jesus second coming and the end of time. You'll get the drift if only you can read it.
This topic is in no way denying Jesus, His second coming or the last days, just pointing out few misunderstanding about. The rapture teachings we've been fed with gives sinners a sense of second chance after Jesus' second coming, but the Bible says otherwise. That's dangerous if you ask me.

By the way, it's not my fault if 99% of people who commented didn't read the content before commenting.

For the record, Jesus is coming back to take the believers with him.
Please read.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 2:45pm On Jun 14, 2015
STEVENcrack:
The OP needs to go to a real church like deeperlife ok..not all these false church..
Lemme ask
(1)Are u a christian. How many soul have you won for christ or don't your church preach about the great commission.
(2) This your post cannot win soul to God instead it weakens d christian faith of many which apostle paul once preached against.
(3) I have seen so many churches e.g church of God, jehovah witnesses, atheist e.t.c always bringing out strange topics of debate like hell fire is not real..that there's nothing like santification in the bible.. we are all staying on earth forever..that there's nothing like tithes and all these churches have a bible back up to deceive people so am not shock, your own case is not special BUT the big question is that how does this argument makes a sinner to repent and bring joy to heaven..infact its sinners dat wud even appericiate your post because a true christian won't have time for ur arguments..

I can help your argument by asking you that the word BIBLE is it in the bible.

Give your life to christ my brother..go to a real bible church don't be like sodom or like gommorrah or like dos people in d days of NOAH..UR WISDOM CAN TAKE U TO HELL
Read it first then come back and modify your post.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 2:37pm On Jun 14, 2015
Chinaimporter:
[b][size=13pt]The bible is a fake bullshit that we only accept because it is so ancient and we where brought up beliving it.

Let us stop being afraid of God because thousands of people are atheist,hindus buddist etc and nothing happens to them.

Churches are burnt,bibles are torn, saints are crucified and nothing happens.

If God says he exist and want us to worship him,let him write it in the sky.....why hide from us and ask us to belive u exist and if we dnt,you will punish us in hell while u say that you love us......sounds like something the devil will do not god.

Why give us many religions and ask us to blindly choose the right one and if we couldnt,you will punish us.

Why do you like our praises so much if you are so great and dont need us.....we never asked to be created in the first place.....why do you ask us to thank you for bringing us into this vile and ruthless world.

I will never worship or serve you because ur rule is by fear.....pple dnt love you,they only pretend to out of fear.....love is unconditional and your is....quench hell and let us see how many people will actually serve you.

You drown men for disobeying you.....stalin killed for the same reason.....you asked the isrealites to kill people that worship any other except you,boko haram do the same thing.....jephtah sacrificed his daughter to you, meaning you accept human sacrifice like all other heaten gods.

I promise that if you ever exists and armagadon comes,i will ride with satan and the fallen angels against you and make sure you are sent to the bottomeless pit(pls make it hotter because you will enjoy it soon)

Satan never did anything to man by your own account in the bible.....he said we sld eat the fruit and be wise and it worked.....the worst thing he did was mess with job and you allowed it

But you

You unforgiving beast allowed your son to be killed so that you can forgive us and we still go to hell after that.

You allowed a bear to eat 52 children for insulting elijah.

You drowned you so called beloved ones because they disobeyed you....what would tge devil hav ton in this case?

You orded the murder,rape and enslavement or whole cities.

You allowed your beloved ones the isrealites to be enslaved because they disobeyed you due to your poor managerial skills.....even hitler would not do that.

I can go on and on to prove you are the greatest beast of them all.....even baal is better that you[/size][/b]
Please, I didn't open this thread for those who are not Christians, more so, those who don't believe in God.

You can open your own thread for the rubbish you wrote up there.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 2:32pm On Jun 14, 2015
Rexyl:
otr1

Are you preaching the gospel or denying it, Or are you confused?

If you are confused, just put yourself in the position of Saul. He thought he was doing good for being an enemy of the Church. But the day he received the light into his life, his contradiction against the "LIVING WORD" was brought to an end, and he could no longer be opposed to God or get confused about the truth of Gospel. I will recommend Paul's example of life before and after knowing and understanding gospel.
Please read the post, then come back and modify your comment. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 2:28pm On Jun 14, 2015
seyiogunjuyigbe:
1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead
will be raised imperishable, and we will be
changed.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from
heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of
the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
I never said Jesus won't come back or the saved won't be taken up. Read the opening part of the post to see what I mean by "rapture theory", then read Matthew 13:24-30, 13:38-40 to know what Jesus said about His second coming.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 2:12pm On Jun 14, 2015
ttime:
To d pure, all thins re pure; but 2 d Fearful, abominable and defiled is nothing pure.

Surely u wish thr were no RAPTURE... I don't care abt ur belief, and I won't try 2 convince u otherwise, but since u hav nothing 2 worry abt... Whether d rapture exists or notan we'll find out..
But its absurd 4 u 2 paint d scriptures d way u jst did, soo myopic and a bit aggresiveLy unpersuasive; 2 me.
"grin wicked will be takenhuh"
Where did u get dat from??
If d righteous will remain,... Wat wil they be doin in it wen d earth is being destroyed?
Hw abt d 3rd world war, wat role is ISIS and Israel playin in d future turn of events...
Why do u think terrorist organizations re only killing Christians... ?? ISIS, THE Taliban, Boko Haram... And d one yet 2 come.?
Re u up to date with recent happenings in ISRAEL, US, Japan, China etc... Re u aware of d '1 world Tower' on ground Zero, and d islamic minurette??
Wen last did u watch aljazeera, CNN, etc... D Bible hav u read Daniel chapter 2 and tried 2 decipher it?. I won't tell u if I belive in Rapture or Not... My opinion, much like urs, doesn't affect its reality.
Jst try 2 balance ur studies of scriptures with histories, and also, current affairs, am sure if u do this, ur spectrum will be improved.
Cheer!!
What does the rapture theory say? That Jesus will come and secretly take away the saved and they'll never be part of the great tribulation; and that He'll come back after seven years.
That's not what the Bible says. The last day event will happen once and for all. The lost destroyed, then the saved taken.
I believe you'll understand my drift if you take your time to read the post. I never said there's no second coming of Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 1:19pm On Jun 14, 2015
adedayourt:
a good write up from d pit of hell to sway the gullible.

op kip up the good work of savanting ur master lipsrsealed
You certainly didn't read the content. SMH.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 1:15pm On Jun 14, 2015
Bonapart:
i don't need to read... read the last part of my post
The thread is meant for those who can read. I don't need to re-read any part of your post, coz I know you got the thread all wrong( just like most of those who commented)
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 12:47pm On Jun 14, 2015
Bonapart:
When people are closer to their end and being used by the devil, they bring up such topic @op
Am not sure you read where it is written in Revelation that no man should add nor subtract from the book of life (bible)
Did you read it at all or just went ahead to comment
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 12:37pm On Jun 14, 2015
Leyqute:
I didn't have to read all of that gibberish to know the Op is somehow whacked (it's not an insult, it's the truth- Op is whacked). This is what happens when you read the Bible without the Holy Ghost's ministration.


Humans will always believe what they want to believe but when facts point opposite, you should reconsider.

You take a phrase out of a verse and use it to back such a huge theory when several verses and chapters of the Bible are dedicated to stating the opposite of what you just typed.

Please ask for God's ministration or you might run madt.

My 1 kobo
You have to read before you know the content. Don't just read the headine and rush to comment.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 12:34pm On Jun 14, 2015
ihatebuhari:
God punish u op and all unbelieve heart here

May you people die and perish in hell before this year end.

Nothing u can do to stop us Christian all over the world, u and Islam can't stop us

Greater is he Jesus in us than Satan and Islam in the world
I'm sure you didn't bother to read it
Christianity EtcRe: Post Your 'Front Page-Worthy' TOPICS And LINKS Here by otr1(m): 8:05am On Jun 14, 2015
emusmith:
Hello Friends,

With so many threads created here; some "Front Page Worthy" and others "NOT Front Page Worthy", we would love to really have a more organized and impactful section that will make Front Page more often than it has been.


For example:


TOPIC: Sex Destroyed Me; Took Away My Luck. I Need Help

LINK: https://www.nairaland.com/2248983/sex-destroyed-me-took-away




After taking this step, don't bother reminding myself and other moderators/supermods to move it to Front page because if it is Front Page Worthy, it will surely make Frontpage in the Appropriate Time.

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3. Before creating or quoting any thread, remember the rules of Nairaland. They will be enforced on anyone who breaks them



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Bible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False

https://www.nairaland.com/2378504/bible-proof-rapture-theory-false#34750859
Christianity EtcBible Proof The Rapture Theory Is False by otr1(op): 7:54am On Jun 14, 2015
The Rapture Theory

What is the rapture theory? It is believed by those who hold to this theory (and there are MANY who do), that the "church" will be raptured away to heaven and then the earth will continue for a period of seven years (called the tribulation) in which the inhabitants of the earth will be plunged into a time of great trouble and strife (more so than now). So according to this teaching there is a separation to take place between the saved and the lost BEFORE the end of the world.
In this teaching we are also told that Christ will return in two "phases". The first will be a "quiet" affair with the saints being raptured away. And then the second phase after the seven year tribulation will be the "glorious, triumphant" return, which according to this teaching, will usher in the 1000 year millennial reignon earth.
Let me quickly show you an example of the weakness of the rapture doctrine - I came across a recent article stating '10 Irrefutable Proofs' for the rapture. Here are the first two 'irrefutable proofs' they quoted:
Number 1."THE RAPTURE IS THE 'BLESSED HOPE' WHILE THE SECOND COMING IS A DAY TO BE GREATLY FEARED"... They separate the rapture and second coming saying that the rapture is the 'blessed hope' quoting Titus 2:13, and the second coming is the 'FEARED day of the Lord', quoting Amos 5:18. They believe these must be different events, because one is to be hoped for, and the other is to be feared. But they fail to realize the simple truth that the second coming is the 'blessed hope' for the saved in Jesus, and to be 'greatly feared' by those who reject the Lord. Simple, logical truth.
Number 2."IN THE RAPTURE, JESUS COMES FOR HIS CHURCH, AT HIS SECOND COMING HE BRINGS THE CHURCH WITH HIM"... They say that Jesus takes His church away in the rapture, quoting 1 Thess. 4:16-17. And then Jesus comes back with the church at the second coming, quoting Revelation 19:14, which says 'the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses.". But what they fail to realize is that the 'armies' whom Jesus returns with are His angels, as Matthew 25:31 confirms, not the church.
The rest of the so called 'irrefutable proofs' are of the same mold. They are not proofs at all, but just twisting of scripture to suit their wrong belief. It's interesting that they also believe the 'antichrist' will not be revealed until AFTER the rapture. The Bible and historic Protestantism already revealed the antichrist.

Bible Proof The Rapture Theory is False

Let us get one thing out of the way first. The word "rapture" is not found anywhere in the Bible. So where do they get the word from? It was coined from the words "caught up" found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. And we will deal with those verses later on.
What I would like to do is give pre-tribulation rapture teaching a Biblical smackdowngrin and expose it's weakness. That Biblical knockout is found in Matthew, chapter 13. In this chapter, Christ Jesus is telling a parable and teaching a lesson concerning the events of the last days and the second coming. Let's look at what He says:
Matthew 13:24-30 ...'Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him,Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said,Nay; [NO] lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.'
Wow! I love the Word of God. So what are we told in the pre-tribulation rapture theory? We are told that Christ will "gather" His people BEFORE the tribulation and separate the "wheat and the tares" BEFORE the harvest. And yet what does it clearly state in the Bible verse above? That the separation only takes place AT the harvest.

"Oh but the rapture IS the harvest!"

Let's see what Jesus our Teacher say about this?
Matthew 13:38-40 ...'The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.'
Thank you Jesus for giving us the clear truth on this matter, so that we should not be deceived! Do you see the truth on this friend? The church and the wicked continue to live together on earth until the END OF THE WORLD. And it is only at the end of the world that the separation takes place. The pre-tribulation rapture theory is now blown to bits by the Word of God!
Take a look at these Bible verses and you will notice that the focus is NOT about the church being taken away before the end, but rather AT the end of the world and the LAST DAY.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
John 11:24 ...'Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'
John 12:48 ...'He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge himin the last day.'
Eternal life is given on the LAST DAY. The resurrection happens on the LAST DAY. Judgment is given on the LAST DAY.
Notice also what Jesus says in Matthew 28:20 ..."lo, I am with you always,even unto the end of the world."... Now why would Jesus reassure us that He would be with us until the END OF THE WORLD, if we were to be raptured away BEFORE the end of the world? Doesn't make sense does it? Friend, the rapture teaching is a false one invented by Satan to cause God's people to be unprepared for the time of trouble ahead, that we WILL go through.

What Happens at the End of the World?

For Jesus to say "end of the world", there must be some destructive event to take place right? So what event is coming that would be an "end of the world" event? THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST JESUS!Take a look at the following Bible verses describing the second coming and you will see that THIS is the event that will "end this world" as we know it.
Revelation 1:7 ...'Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.'
2 Peter 3:10 ...'But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.'
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ...'And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.'
Psalm 50:3-4 ... 'Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence:a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.'
Isaiah 34:8-10 ...'For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever:from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.'
Sounds like an end of the world event doesn't it? The destroying force of the second coming of Christ Jesus, as shown in the Bible verses above, will cause the earth to be "laid waste" as described in Isaiah above. Which means that the world will NOT continue on as we know it now, which the rapture theory proclaims. Instead, the wicked will be destroyed and the earth will be laid waste. And it is AT THIS TIME that the saints are taken to heaven, not before.

But What About One Taken and One Left Behind?

Matthew 24:37-42 ...'But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.'
This is such a misunderstood passage of scripture today. Take a look at the context of the above Bible verses. Do you see that Jesus is telling us that His second coming will be like what happened in Noah's day? And what happened in the days of Noah? The above verse tells us. The flood DESTROYED the earth, taking away the wicked and leaving behind God's people (Noah's family). Who was "taken away" and who was "left behind" in Noah's day? Take a look at the above verses again. It was the wicked who were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND! And this is what Christ is pointing us to. He is saying that the day is coming when the earth will be destroyed again and the wicked will be TAKEN and the saints will be LEFT BEHIND.
Please take note of the following VITAL point.
Luke 17:35-37 ...'Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him,Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.'
Why did the disciples ask 'WHERE, LORD'? Were they wondering where the one left behind was? No, that person would be in the same place as they were. So the disciples are clearly asking where has the one taken gone. And what did Jesus say? "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." The body? In the original language, the word Eagle can also mean Vulture. And where do Vultures gather? Where there is a dead body! And look at what Job says about the Eagle:
Job 39:27-30 ...'Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high? She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place. From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off. Her young ones also suck up blood:and where the slain are, there is she.'
And in Matthew 24, Jesus even makes it clearer by saying it is a CARCASS! So the one taken is the wicked who will be killed.
And what did we already confirm would happen during the harvest at the end? Let's read it again ...'and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.'(Matthew 13) ... The wicked are "taken" first and the saints are left behind to then be "gathered into My barn" (taken to heaven).
The whole context of Matthew 24 is a warning for us to "watch and be ready" so that the "sudden destruction" that is to come upon the world (1 Thess. 5:3) will not TAKE US by surprise. Just like what happened in Noah's day. Who were taken? The wicked. Who were left behind? Noah and his family!

Caught Up to Meet the Lord in the Air

In light of what we have learned above. What does it mean when the Bible says we will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air? Exactly as it says! You see, those who hold to the rapture theory try to get something out of this verse that just isn't there! The truth is, when Christ Jesus returns at the second coming, the wicked will be destroyed, the dead saints will be resurrected and the saints who are still alive will be "caught up" to meet Jesus in the air. And then we will be taken to heaven to start the 1000 year millennium.
And why do we "meet the Lord in the air"? Because Jesus is NOT going to set foot upon the earth during the second coming. And the second phase of His return with the saints will be at the END of the 1000 year millennium.
This is another misunderstanding that the rapture theory causes. Jesus is not going to rule on earth during the 1000 years. Instead, we are going to be in heaven with Him during this time, and the earth will be "laid waste" from His second coming. And only AFTER the 1000 years will we return to earth with Christ.
The rapture theory is a false teaching, and the Bible proves that fact.
Credits: www.end -times-prophecy.org
PoliticsRe: Attorney Gen. Of The Fed’s First Assignment Is To Probe AI's Report – Buhari by otr1(m): 11:33am On Jun 13, 2015
lomprico:
If he is concerned abt fighting BH, he shld get to it and stop witch hunting those that have tried fighting them. For ur info those inhabitants that AI claim where killed were hiding and shielding BH, ask any military office u know that fought that battle. Those inhabitants caused a lot of casualties in d army.
Tell the Military officers you know to prepare their testimonies in support of the accused people. I know a handful of those who fought there who will confirm AI's allegation. I'm telling you, most of these massacres were done in mufti. Suck on that.
PoliticsRe: Attorney Gen. Of The Fed’s First Assignment Is To Probe AI's Report – Buhari by otr1(m): 10:42am On Jun 13, 2015
barcanista:
We all know that APC never supported the war against BH terrorist. They even opposed the tagging of BH terrorists
You know nothing about the wanton killings of innocent civilians in the North East by the Army.
No one can blackmail the President from investigating the matter.
PoliticsRe: Oshiomhole Visits IGP, Arase At The Police Headquarters, Abuja (photos) by otr1(m): 8:40pm On Jun 12, 2015
indiraserv:
Lol that's how Iara likes him,how many tall men can boast of such a beautiful wife?
Almost all.
PoliticsRe: Oshiomhole Visits IGP, Arase At The Police Headquarters, Abuja (photos) by otr1(m): 5:34pm On Jun 12, 2015
indiraserv:
This IGP is tall ooh.....
Anyways in recent times he really has taken some giant strides...
No! Oshiomhole is too short rather.grin
PoliticsRe: Delta Governorship Tribunal: INEC Disowns Card Readers by otr1(m): 12:12pm On Jun 12, 2015
the card readers were for verification of voters while the register of voters was the only document for accreditation of voters on the election day.
If this all the excuse INEC in that state could give, they can as well start warming up for another election.
PoliticsRe: We’ll Follow Due Process To Punish Saraki, Others –APC by otr1(m): 11:59am On Jun 12, 2015
Reference:
Aha. That is where the APC should be strategically looking. No one has said that so far. The only way you can deal with Saraki is to undermine him from his roots, yes his constituency. How strong is the APC 'leadership' in Kwara relative to Saraki as an institution in Kwara. Have the APC been building institutions in the states they have conquered or have they been leveraging on indigenous 'strong men' to keep these territories. If you are a history buff you will have encountered stories of great empires where these errors have been made time and again. When you conquer a territory what do you do with its king, make him a regent or cut his head off and appoint a traitor in his place. If the APC can answer this question it will go a long way to decide whether it can keep its territories in the midst of strong opposition.

I remember telling someone that the APC handled the south-south very badly. That must be the reason we hardly hear from Amaechi these days. Is Amaechi an asset or a liability to the APC south-south project. Did the APC leverage on the man too much at the expense of building a genuine, broad, pan-delta grass-roots movement. Does it have that capacity in Kwara. That is the question. Fighting Saraki front and centre in the Senate will be like the battle of Iwo Jima where the victors wished they were defeated for the sheer scale of the losses on both sides. Better to undermine him from within, quietly and effectively. But to do that you need serious investments in structures on ground jn the theatre of battle - his constituency.
I bet, if APC as a party, should half the level of treachery that Saraki displayed lately, he'll be finished before this year ends.
He has many enemies than friends in Kwara. I believe Lai should know what to do, but Buhari is falling hands.
PoliticsRe: We’ll Follow Due Process To Punish Saraki, Others –APC by otr1(m):
NIGERIALOLoCOM:
APC take note.... A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CAN'T STAND.

Make una thread with caution. Tanbuwal case is still fresh in our mind.
The house has been divided, that's why the Judases must be eliminated from the fold. They can't play a Tambulwa now and survive. Anyone that defects now will lose his seat, and ultimately, his re-election.
PoliticsRe: We’ll Follow Due Process To Punish Saraki, Others –APC by otr1(m): 9:30am On Jun 12, 2015
fitzmayowa:
Good they know that they can only caution and not sanction as they have been screaming on the pages of newspaper...

Any attempt to hand any heavy sanction to saraki and dogara will result in APC getting the "Tambuwal" treatment...

BTW metuh is really taking the fight to APC, with his subtle way of "yabbing" them stylishly...
Tambulwa wouldn't have survived it, if he displayed his disloyalty in June 2011, the way Saraki and Dogara did now.
Note that any member of the NASS that defects now will lose his or her seat immediately according to the new ruling of the Supreme Court.
PoliticsRe: We’ll Follow Due Process To Punish Saraki, Others –APC by otr1(m): 9:10am On Jun 12, 2015
No need doing that.

Just expel them now
PoliticsRe: Just What Is It About This Man, Tinubu And What's Next? by otr1(m): 11:54pm On Jun 11, 2015
I'm really disappointed in Buhari.

The dots are connecting now.
I don't want to express my fear, but with Buhari, we have at most, 8 years together in this country.
PoliticsRe: Saraki Senate Presidency: Tinubu​ Blasts President Buhari by otr1(m): 7:30pm On Jun 11, 2015
HzRF:
Where is ilorin in Nigeria map

We yorubas in edo
Are they from SW /ss
Being a Kwaran from North Central doesn't change his yorubaness. Afterall, the old Kwara State was first known as Central West State.
PoliticsRe: Barcanista Was Right After All.......Tinubu See Your Life by otr1(m): 8:13pm On Jun 09, 2015
Dogara camp nominated the Osun Rep, so I expect those who voted for Dogara to vote for him too.
PoliticsRe: South West Has Lost Out by otr1(m): 7:14pm On Jun 09, 2015
masseratti:
you didn't read the part that I said his father said he is half yoruba and half fulani? If what matters to you is the fact that he came from Kwara centre, no one is disputing that with you,but to say he does not have any fulani influence in him is a big lie.
Ok, his Father is half yoruba because he has a yoruba mother?
Now, what do we call a son of a half yoruba father, with a yoruba mother? 3/4 yoruba? I'm sure, Bukola's Children are now 100% yoruba because their mother is yoruba too?gringringrin


I know you'll believe me if I tell you I'm fulani, had my Great Grand Father- who certainly got to Ilorin before Bukola's Grand Father- decided to stay there, changed his name and religion.grin
But my fulani brothers who really knöw me won't buy that shit.
The Sarakis are fulanis if they say so.
PoliticsRe: South West Has Lost Out by otr1(m): 6:01pm On Jun 09, 2015
masseratti:
really?do you understand the word "assimilation"? Or you are going to tell me that the Emir of ilorin is also Yoruba? The Fulanis are nomadic and the settle everywhere they can,Saraki father said he is half fulani and half yoruba and you want to kill yourself claiming to know him,definitely I won't disclose any type of relationship I might have with him on a faceless fora.
Stick to what you know best, not this one.
I've told you it's political.
Do you want Saraki to say he's yoruba so that his influence will crash?
The Fulanis in Ilorin know themselves. The Emir knows his fellow fulanis.
This's not my headache anyway and it doesn't matter if he's Yoruba or Fulani now. What matters now is that a certain Sen. Bukola Saraki of Kwara Central is now the Senate Presidentsmiley
PoliticsRe: Why Are PDP Members Rejoicing When Saraki And Dogara Are APC Members? by otr1(m): 5:26pm On Jun 09, 2015
PDP Reps should go ahead and vote for Hon Mungonu as Deputy Speaker too.

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