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otr1:
The same law strictly fashioned for the Jews or which? By the way, Keeping the day Holy is not by going to church oh.

Which law is fashioned strictly for the Jews? The whole ten commandment or parts of it? Do you know the ten commandment is the handwritten one by God on tablets of stone, not the one written by Moses? The Law that contains the keeping of sabbath is kept inside the Ark of covenant, while the laws that pertain to food, drinks and festivals are placed just beside the Ark. The ten commandment is forever and is binding on all who is serving the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac. Jesus kept the sabbath, His disciples kept the sabbath and even the gentiles who accepted christianity did keep the sabbath. So it's not only for the jews. It's for all. Not necessarily going to church on saturday, but is saturday not the day we abuse most? It's the day when most people have time to party, do domestic works and all the sort. That's not keeping it holy.

Relax, Jesus didn't say He will judge anybody. Read from verse 47 of John 12. The words that He has spoken will do the judgement. How? Read verse 50. Those who do not do His commandment lack that life. On that LAST DAY, the day of rapture, the unbeliever is judged or disqualified by that commandment. Now, this is not my opinion but the clear depiction of what the Word says in context.

Jesus is the Word Himself! He will be the Judge. As people are being judged in our law courts by our written laws, so everyone going to be judge by the Word of God. Everyone will be judged by what's written in the Book according to their works. By who? Read Rev. 20:11-12. That's Him. The verses in John 12 were talking about His mission on earth, which judgment is not part of it. Read verse 46.

So? I see the confusion there. Look at Matthew's more complete account of the same story in chapter 24. Look a verse 27-28. "For as the lightning cometh out of the East,and shineth even unto the West, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.... 28. FOR WHERE EVER THE CARCASE IS, THERE WILL THE EAGLES BE GATHERED TOGETHER." Now, this is the rapture. Very evidently. Study in context.
Then subsequent verses briefs about the Tribulation and then the second coming in which Jesus returns. That's the second coming. .. As for the elects, they refer to to Jews and others who refuse to submit to the lordship of the Antichrist. Those who withstood the tribulations without submitting to him. Read Isaiah 27:13.

I disagree. Matthew 24 is talking about a single event-the second coming of Christ. Didn't you see the mention of a certain "tribulation" in verse 21 preceeding verses 27 and 28 you refer to as rapture verses? He is warning people like you who believe in secret rapture in verses preceding that verse 27 that if any man tell you He's in the desert, believe it not. So if you hear it in the news that Jesus has raptured people away, believe it not...then He said in verse 27, 'for as the lightning comes out of the east...so shall the coming of the Son of Man be'
We all know how lighning operates right? That's how His coming will be. Not in secret. Separating rapture from second coming is the biggest scam. Verses 27 and 28 is not the rapture, it only paints the picture of Jesus second coming. The one and only second coming we're expecting. So after saying He won't be coming in secret, He now said, after the TRIBULATION of those days...which days? Days before appearing like lightning from the east of course...(verse 21)
The elects are not only the Jews, the are people of all of nations and tongues(Rev 7:9). They are the people who came out of the tribulation clean(Rev 7:14). They will be before God serving Him day and night and He shall wipe away all their tears(Rev 7:15-17). If the people who are raptured away secretly missed the tribulation, they are not part of this people and Bible didn't make mention of them anywhere.

Exactly! The tares in Christiandom is what Satan came to sow.. The mixed multitude among the Israelites were no sowed by Satan. They were the half casts from Egypt which were later separated in the later verse. Read Exo 12:38, Neh 13:3. Satan governs the world (2Cor 4:4). You can't say He has no Kingdom of his. He is still entitled to the adamic authority . Luke 4:5-6

No! Satan sowed sin which breeds sinners. And sin have been in this world since the days of Adam and Eve and most Israelites were sinners. What you don't understand about this sowing thing is that, everyone is created(sown) to be good until satan sow tares(sin) into heir lives and so, they become tares(sinners). Everyone is created by God until they start doing wicked things. Even satan himself was created by God until he become the chief tare. So don't make it look as if satan has the power to create bad people and place them among God's people. his duty is to turn good people to his side. He sowed tares among the Jews and he's still doing same among christians today

When I say 'Christian', you should know what I mean. Those who are in Christ as used in 2Cor 5:17,Gal 3:29. You don't need explain the parable, thanks. Jesus did just that. Matt 13:37 says He that soweth the good seed is the SON OF MAN. The Son of Man anywhere in the gospels refer to Jesus in the flesh. If it were God, He could have said; ".... the father". The tares among the wheat are the causes of errors, the deceivers in Christiandom today.. That's what matt 13 emphasise. It's not a basis for your theory.

Are sinners not causes of errors in this world since Adam? Did Jesus started existing 2000 years ago? I've just told you the planting started with the creation of man and the harvest is the end of the world. That's the meaning. Those who are doing the will of God are the good seeds. And yes, there are deceivers in christiandom today. In fact, the man of sin will come out of a professed Church of God

Rather, it is a misunderstanding of its context. Read 1Thess 5:9. The tribulation isn't the portion of the believer. Besides, think. How will the UNKNOWN time as warned the saints to be ready for in Mark 11:35 be subject to your KNOWN prediction?

I'll post something about the believers taking part in the tribulation. Read that Rev 7:9. Those were believers who came out of the great tribulation. People of God have always gone through tribulation/persecution all through the ages and this's not about to change in these last days. 'In this world, you'll go through tribulation, but be of good cheers' is the word of Jesus Himself. I never said the coming of Jesus is known. We don't know, but the righteous are anxiously waiting for it. It's a secret, but Jesus Himself told us signs that the time is near. All the signs are there now, but that's not all...many of us may have to die for our faith...for there shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world...but wait, don't be deceived by rumours of Jesus' return for He shall come as lightning from the east...and after the tribulation of those days...there shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven...and He shall send His angels with great sounds of trumpet and they shall gather His elects from the four winds(North, South, East and West)...when you see these signs mentioned in Matt. 24 from verse 4 down, know that the time is near.

Study in context! Read from Matt 24:36 to 39. The emphasis isn't laid on the system by which the world was destroyed in the days of Noah, but to stress the fact that THE DAY OF RAPTURE is unknown. Verse 37-38. They were about other activities unknown of their impending end. After all, you didn't say; the justs will be kept somewhere while the unrighteous are killed. Did you? If it were to be like the days of Noah, then it should be that exact way.

As it is in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the end of days. That is talking about destruction of the wicked. Noah preached the impending doom to come to those people(just as we're doing now), but they believed not, until the flood came and took them away! Who did the flood take away? Noah and his family? No! It's the sinners. Why? Because they're not prepared. Did the flood take Noah who built the ark by surprise? No...until flood came and took them away(Matt 24:39)...and two shall be in the field, one taken, the other left behind(verse 40). What was taken in verse 39? The sinners. Who will be taken in verse 40? It's definitely the sinner. Will God hide His people somewhere? He doesn't have to. We all know how the Israelites were protected from the plagues that ravaged the land of Egypt. Those who refuse to worship the beast and his image by receiving his mark will carry the spiritual seal of God in their foreheads, just as those who worship the beast carry their own on their foreheads and righthands. Leave Jesus Angels to identify those to destroyed. They won't make mistake and anyone who do not carry the mark of the beast will not partake of their wrath

I am not a fan of Bible arguments, especially on the Internet. The length of the errors on your argument as well as the plight of those who don't know much about the topic spurred me to posting on the thread and replying your arguments. Nevertheless, it's evident you have made your own conclusions despite the errors and misunderstanding from your premises. Hence what's the use debating? Just be prepared.
Peace

If you don't misunderstand this topic, you'll realise there's no error there.
God will spare our lives and be living witnesses as events unfold. I believe Matt 24 is clear enough for us to know that pre-tribulation rapture or "rapture now" second coming later is not in the mix. His second coming is once and for all. It's important for you to know, so that you'll be prepared and not be taken by surprise if it turns out that the rapture you were expecting before tribulation never comes.

Ilorin people are pathetic.

chamboy:
Seriously, apart from insurgency n religious crisis, the northern part of the country is very peaceful.. before bokoharam, one could sleep on the street and nothing would happen.


Here in south.. its either armed robbery, witchcraft, cult, snake, kidnapping, rape, murder..even inside ur house u aint safe. Family killing demsef




For d record, am a yoruba nigga

You're not Yoruba. You're from Cham in Kaltungo LGA of Gombe State.

UYCO:
Promotion between HND and BSC holders should be based on aptitute test. I have suggested it to them but BSC holders are afraid of aptitute test because they know a lot of them will not pass. If they think they are more inteligent, they should come for aptitute test.

Last time I checked, you can't get promotion in the public service without passing promotion examination, so what are now talking about?

PPAngel:
Fark off

The dog that would get lost will not hear the Hunter's bugle.

PPAngel:
I am giving you 72hrs to make your threat come true.


You think you are discussing with a coward like you?


Here :

Buhari is a confirmed Boko.

Buhari is behind the Fulani Militia

Buhari is pushing a sectional and religious agenda.


Oya come and arrest me over my views

You fool

If you need my address I just sent you a PM

Reply my request and I will provide you with a contact info


Useless fool

Ms Perpetual, becareful what you say.

teufelein:
rubbbbish, there's nothing like reconciliation...all we want now is war, without total war between Biafra and odua the zoo nigeria can't be destroyed and the true freedom can't be reached. reconciliation can come when we have restored Biafra.

[size=15pt]i do not preach peace, i advocate for total bloody war as long as the war will bring to an end the zoo nigeria.[/size]

Never again!
Not when you still blame us for the civil war madness. But if you want war, why not shoot the first bullet, coward?!

damosky12:
They still teach it in your church but you decided yourself to be influenced by the false doctrine. It's sad you have decided to remain deluded despite pointing to you your false interpretations... Study the Bible in context not like a modern day news paper.

That my church teaches pre tribulation rapture even when it's not Biblical, doesn't mean it's right. After all, are we not asked to keep sabbath(saturday) holy? What do we have now? A sunday right? Where is it in the Bible? No where. Acts 17:11 'These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.'
You're responsible for your own soul, not your church.

The end of the world doesn't mean days stop happening.. Are you kidding? Have you forgotten we are still going to reign on earth for many years. If by your interpretation of the LAST DAY, then either you or the Bible is wrong. But it's clear you are the wrong one.

Yes, the end of the world/last day means that date as we have it now ceases to count. Are you the one that will countinue the counting of days here when the Bible clearly tells you at the last day, the wicked will be destroyed and the just taken away? Tell me it's a joke? We'll reign on earth again, yes, but that's after the 1000 years when everything must have been made new(Rev. 21:1).
It seems you don't check your Bible and read the verses I quoted. That support my claims and you're the one clutching to straws now with no prove whatsoever, just making things up. It doesn't work that way. I showed you verses where Jesus said He will judge the wicked and give eternal life to the just on the last day, but somehow, you missed it aand turn it to my own interpretation. Open your Bible and read it there.

Jesus didn't talk about rapture? Well, I will show you Mark 13 :32-35, Matt 24:41, then a clear one in Matt 25:1-13.. Let God open your eyes...

Mark 13:32-35? Thank you Jesus!
That chapter is talking about the tribulation that is to take place before "rapture". Now read from 19...now stop at verse 24 Did you see "after the tribulation..."? Jesus was saying tribulation will come before rapture, but you rapture theorists believe that you'll be raptured away secretly before this time. What's the purpose of this thread if not telling you to wake up to reality that we're going to face tribulation and it's only those who come out clean that will receive eternity. Is the gathering of elects not the same as he harvest in Matt 13:30 and Matt 13:49? Tell me the difference between these verses? As for Matt 24:41, that one has been addressed here. It was likened to the days of Noah and we know what happened. It's the wicked that were taken away while Noah and his family remained. That's why Jesus said earlier in Chapter 13 of Matthew that the tares will be gathered and burnt first. No confusion here. In Matt 25:10, didn't Jesus have to lock out the foolish virgins first? He will deal with the tares first(matt 13:30), he will separate the wicked from the just(matt 13:49, he will take wicked and spare the saved(matt 24:41), and he will lock out the foolish from the wise(matt 25:10). Did you read Matt 24 especially verse 10? Jesus is talking about the end. Take note!

Look, that passage in John 12:48 is clear. The Word judging them is not like; they standing before a judgement throne and receiving judgement. NO! That will wait until Rev 20:11-15. The AMP uses the word; "convict" meaning to "find guilty". That is it disqualifies from being with Jesus. For instance, Mark 16:16. HIS Words are the bases for which anyone is qualified or disqualified..

If you're a convict, that means you must have been found guilty by Judge. To convict is to declare someone guilty. And who finds someone guilty? A Judge right? And who's the Judge here? Chai! Do you know the meaning of damned as used in Mark 16:16? Once a person is damned, he can never be found innocent in the judgement of the great white throne. That's why it is said in Rev 20:6 that blessed is he that take part in the first resurrection and on such, the second death has no power. Who are those that will die the second death? Read Rev 20:5(the rest of the dead- the wicked that died before and at Christ's second coming). They're already convicts just awaiting a fair trial, but their names can not be found in the book of life.
You don''t just take a verse in isolation and jump to conclusion. You're the one reading the Bible like poem here now.

You and your matt 13, the "tares among the wheat" not just the tares.. Again, verse 41 didn't say "... and they shall gather out of the world". Did it? After all, the field is the world. Rather, He said; "they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them that do iniquity".. Whose Kingdom? Jesus' Kingdom. The Kingdom He sowed before devil came sowing AMONG the wheats. Will you put words in Jesus' mouth?
In fact AMPLIFYING that particular verse in parenthesis "persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin". That talks about His kingdom, not the world for Satan is the god of the world (2cor 4:4), hence sin is rampant but in Jesus ' Kingdom or Christiandom, it takes people to lead others to error. It's very clear.

And where did satan sow his weeds? Where? If you say Christiandom is Christ kingdom on earth-which I told you the first time you quoted me-don't we have tares in Christiandom? Do you think satan is interested anywhere else but Christ's Kingdom? Has satan stopped drawing people to himself since the the days of Adam and Eve? Didn't we have tares among the wheats of Israelites in the wilderness when some are worshipping image of bull? Sorry' but satan doesn't have a kingdom of his own. He created a kingdom for himself by planting sin into the world(doesn't that make sense to you?)

Besides sinners have existed before the wheats were sowed or Christianity started. In fact Jesus came for sinners (John 3:17), but in the parable, the wheats were sowed before the "tares among the wheats". Isn't it?

Sorry, the wheats are necessarily not Christians. They are God's people who keeps His commandments from all ages. The word 'christians' was first used in Antioch after the ascension of Christ.
Let me explain the parable to you. The field is the world right? Who created it? God. Did God just created the field(world) 2000 years ago? No. Did God create Adam and Eve and place them in the garden? Yes. Who introduced sin(disobedience to God) to Adam and Eve? Satan right? Since then, haven't we been having good and bad people in the world? Yes. The field is the world, humans are the seeds planted in the field, satan came and introduced sin(and man became sinners). Some are good and others are bad. At the end of the world(harvest), the bad will be separated from the good, by the reapers(angels). Now you'll have to take the starting point of the parable from Adam and Eve to make sense. That's how it works.

Hence, that scripture talks about the a separation in the church before rapture... The emphasis is on a separation. It has no bearing on your no rapture theory when appraised in its context.

You see why I'm convinced you didn't read the original post and even my replies to your mentions?
If you say the text is on separation before rapture, please tell me what I've been saying since sunday You only saw the headline and noticed rapture and false on the same sentence and jump to conclusion that I said, there won't be rapture. I didn't say that. The rapture itself is not in the Bible, but it's used to mean "caught up" that Thessalonians verse. I also believe that the just, dead and alive will be transformed and caught up to meet Jesus in the air after the separation of the wicked from the just. You can read it over again. What I called false is "rapture theory". And what does the theory say? It says the saved will be rapture secretly then the world will continue for another 7 years during which there will be great tribulation and then Jesus will come back for those who don't take the mark. This is false. The mark will be enforced before the rapture, there will be the great tribulation before the rapture(mark 13:24) and the separation of the good from the bad will occur before the rapture(tares gathered first). That's the position of the Bible and that's the opinion I'm holding.

"where THE carcass is, there also shall the Eagles be" is a figurative expression. He didn't say ; "where THEIR carcass is". Where Jesus is, so shall we be on the day of rapture. We shall be caught up to be with HIM. 1 Thess 4:17
Shalom my friend.

In the time of NOAH which the end time events was likened to, the wicked ones were taken and the just left( as it is in the days of Noah) that's what happened during the flood. The angels will destroy the wicked first, before the saved join Jesus in the air. The righteous will be save while sinners will be destroyed. The wicked will die first(matt 13:30)

Radio biafra hate sermons won't hurt anyone but "Biafrans".
As someone stated earlier that people attacked a vehicle with Deeper Life poster on it and saying derogatory words against Kumuyi and the Yorubas. You people are learning fast. The next step is to start disrupting Church services in those churches and then, advance to bombing. Was that not how it started in the North? Very soon, your people who go to churches like Deeper Life will be seen in the light of an "infidel" and a Catholic who finds it repulsive to give his daughter's hand in marriage to an Anglican man, won't find it hard to blow up his brethren attending church service in any "yoruba church". Don't say we didn't tell you.

The money saved from the removal of subsidy(if there is any in the first place) will be used to fund this program. Afterall, we were able to save N500 billion as SURE-P fund in less than two years.
Monies saved from blocking wastages and eliminating unnecessary duplications will go a long way in boosting our capital spendings. Leave theory. Economics is simple.

This is how fanaticism started in the North- sowing seeds of hatred- but who is "enjoying" the fruit-boko haram- now?
May the Lord Almighty renew your strengths to do more.

vedaxcool:
nothing is more disturbing than when someone speak ignorantly with so much certainty. Mary often pictured wearing a hijab or over garment.





https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil

Unfortunately many posters here cannot differentiate between Niqab and hijab nor even know what hijab is.

The person you quote is also talking about face veil being used by prostitutes in the Bible. Funny enough, Prostitutes use it in the North too. More disturbing is the fact that female students attending islamic schools in the North are using it. What's stoping BH from using it to blow up people in crowded areas? Nothing.

HFOG:
Unfortunately, some illiterates here are clamouring for it to be part of school uniforms.

They're not clamouring. As I'm typing this, many girls in Islamic schools in the core North are in class wearing it.

damosky12:
I don't think I need to explain much to you again. It's evident you already stuck to this false doctrine.. But, think : Jesus didn't say: "the end of days"... The last day refers figuratively to that day the saints shall be raptured.. Whether or not you believe doesn't change a thing.... Besides, read my previous post quoting you. Hope it helps you. Peace.

You're the one who's stuck to what you're programmed to believe, not me. I used to hold that belief too and, in fact, my church still teach it. But this teaching can not stand the Biblical test. I've given you a handful of evidence to support, but you can't give me one. All you're doing is twisting and assuming even in instances where Jesus isn't using parables.
Jesus didn't say the end of days? So what is the meaning of "the harvest is the end of the world" (consummation of ages-amplified translation) He was talking about in Matt. 13:39? Even Jesus didn't talk about your secret rapture and I wonder where you see it in the Bible.
If you say the last day refers to the day of "rapture", then you'll have to accept that the destruction of the wicked, resurrection of dead saints, the catching up of the living saints and eternal life is given on the last day because that's what Jesus said. Everything ends that day, not 7 years after. That's what's called the LAST DAY( John 11:24, 12:48, 6:40) or END OF THE WORLD/CONSUMMATION OF AGES( Matt. 13:39, 13:49). Those were the words from Jesus Himself. In John 12:48 He said those that rejected Him and His words will be judged on the last day(judgement for the wicked). So saying the last day is the day of rapture is agreeing that the wicked will also be judged that same day and that's what I've been telling you. In John 6:40, He said those who believe in Him will have Eternal life( dead and living) on the last day. In Matt. 13:40, He said the tares shall be gathered and burnt at the end of the world(judgement for the wicked. Same as John 12:48). Lets not forget that it's also on this day the wheat(children of the kingdom) will be gathered into the barn(heaven: that's giving them eternal life "at the end of the world". Same as John 6:40). It's on this very day, the wicked shall be separated from the just and cast them into furnace of fire( Matt 13:49). These are Biblical evidence that everything will be settled in a day(the last day/end of the world/consummation of ages). I'll rather believe this than believe in concortions that have no prove.
Shalom!

damosky12:
Stop confusing yourself. The LAST DAY does not mean the end of all days... But, the appointed day.

This is your person opinion, without Biblical backing. Even basic knowledge of English tells us that "the end of days" is just a single day, "the last day"

The last day for the world to come to light, just like we are in the last days Acts 2:17, 1Tim 3:1, Heb 1:2... It could mean the last day for the saints... The Last day specifically refers to the day of the rapture.

Sorry, "these last days" which translate as latter days has started more than 16 centuries ago and it's different from the "last day" (notice the "day" is singular, and not "days) in John 6:40, 11:24, and 12:48. It's "last day" and not "last days".
The "last day" specifically refers to the day of rapture But how can we have "the last day" when all you believe that Jesus will rapture you away secretly and the world will continue for another 7 years? That does not support your belief and that's the purpose of this thread...to tell you that in the last day(end of the world), judgement for the wicked, resurrection of dead saints, catching up (what you call rapture) of the living saints and eternal life, is given on the LAST DAY and the verses I quoted earlier support that claim.

Study it in context. After all, it never talked about the punishment of the sinners on the "last day" except for the judging in John 12:28 which connotes disqualification for the unsaved.. Stop your LAST DAY brouhaha.....

No to sweat, Jesus has told us what will happen on the last day, and yes, destruction of the wicked is the first on the agenda( gather ye the tares FIRST).
I'm done on this topic. I've provided enough Biblical backings for my claims and anyone who wants to study it with open mind(not a made up mind) can always go through them, because I have no more attention to give here again. Peace.

damosky12:
Stop confusing yourself. The LAST DAY does not mean the end of all days... But, the appointed day.

This is your person opinion, without Biblical backing. Even basic knowledge of English tells us that "the end of days" is just a single day, "the last day"

The last day for the world to come to light, just like we are in the last days Acts 2:17, 1Tim 3:1, Heb 1:2... It could mean the last day for the saints... The Last day specifically refers to the day of the rapture.

Sorry, "these last days" which translate as latter days has started more than 16 centuries ago and it's different from the "last day" (notice the "day" is singular, and not "days) in John 6:40, 11:24, and 12:48. It's "last day" and not "last days".
The "last day" specifically refers to the day of rapture But how can we have "the last day" when all you believe that Jesus will rapture you away secretly and the world will continue for another 7 years? That does not support your belief and that's the purpose of this thread...to tell you that in the last day(end of the world), judgement for the wicked, resurrection of dead saints, catching up (what you call rapture) of the living saints and eternal life, is given on the LAST DAY and the verses I quoted earlier support that claim.

Study it in context. After all, it never talked about the punishment of the sinners on the "last day" except for the judging in John 12:28 which connotes disqualification for the unsaved.. Stop your LAST DAY brouhaha.....

No to sweat, Jesus has told us what will happen on the last day, and yes, destruction of the wicked is the first on the agenda( gather ye the tares FIRST).
I'm done on this topic. Peace.

Image123:
We are already in the last days or last time. The last day is not one 24hour day but a period.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Jesus does not COME to earth in the Rapture, we MEET Him in the air to be with Him forever.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Meeting Him in the air is not the second coming. At that coming, He comes with thousands to reign and execute judgement.




indeed, Matthew 24 is a complex and often misunderstood passage. But please observe the CONTEXT. The answers Jesus gave were to three questions. Given that He did not answer them like i would probably do but mixed the answers up so much, you would need God's help to understand it. Here is the question, at least the question can be understood and clear even if the answer is long and maybe complex.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Please OBSERVE and note that He was asked THREE questions.
-When shall these things be?
- And what shall be the sign of thy coming?
- and of the end of the world?
They asked about three separate events, about when the temple would be destroyed which happened about 70years after, about the sign of Jesus' coming(You see His coming was not something hidden), and then the END of the world. After His coming, He will reign for at least 1000 years as King, and His saints as kings on this same earth. It is AFTER that reign and coming so much publicized by the prophets that the world will end. The gaps are wide for the three events. But the question and the answer almost treat them like they will all happen at once, except he that reads 'understands'.

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The saints are taken out of the way, not left behind. The gathering of God's people is UNTO the Lord.




How can anyone say that Jesus is NOT going to set foot upon the earth during the second coming. That is most absurd as the scripture is quite clear on that both in the Old and new testament.
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The Bible is FILLED with the promise of His COMING again and coming quickly, and then you virtually come to tell us that He is not coming?
He will come, and He will touch down and set foot on Mount Olives, and the scriptures cannot be broken.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

How can any believer say that Jesus will not reign on earth? What then are we praying Thy Kingdom come for? Please, finally, read Revelation 19 and 20. It is fairly straight. Jesus will come to earth, the beast will be captured, satan will be bound, saints will reign, satan will deceive, the judgement and the end of the world will happen. Amen.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

It is AFTER this end of the world and judgement that a new heaven and earth appear in Revelation 21. Jesus is coming soon, whether we believe in rapture or not, it is not too important. Let us live to glorigy Him, be watchful, prepared and prayerful.

Where did I mention that Jesus won't be coming back? Where did you read that? I said Jesus won't touch ground at His second coming, but rather we'll go and meet Him in the air- or what does your bible tell you? The earlier you realise that there's no pre-second-coming rapture the better you'll understand this.
Take a look at these Bible verses and you will notice that the focus is NOT about the church being taken away before the end, but rather AT the end of the world and the LAST DAY.
John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'
John 11:24 ...'Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'
John 12:48 ...'He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.'
From the verses above, Eternal life is given on the LAST DAY. The resurrection happens on the LAST DAY. Judgment is given on the LAST DAY.
What more prove do you need.
Stop misleading people into thinking that there's a secret rapture then after 7 years, the second coming, then those who didn't make rapture will have another chance. I tell you, everything will happen at once and there'll be no second chance for sinners. The belief that Jesus returns 7years after the rapture fixes the date of Jesus' second coming which we know no one knows the time and date. Don't separate catching up of saints and second coming. They will happen on the same day and that is the end of this world as we know it. It's after the 1000 years that Jesus will set foot on earth again and that's a thousand years after His second coming.

This is the summary of events:

- Jesus returns at the second coming.
- The wicked are killed by the 'brightness of His coming'.
- The dead saints are resurrected and together with the living saints, meet Jesus in the air.
- The earth is laid waste.
- Satan is bound on earth by circumstances of having no one to tempt.
- The thousand year millennium starts.
- The saints are in heaven for a thousand years with Jesus and take part in judgment.
- The thousand year millennium ends.
- The lost are resurrected and satan gathers them for battle.
- The New Jerusalem descends to earth with Jesus and the saints.
- Satan and the lost go up to the new city to attack it.
- God reigns fire down from heaven and destroys satan and the lost.
- Heaven and earth is renewed and the saints live forever with Jesus.

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i'll like to say and remind us that doctrine and its understanding does not 'save' anyone. That air of "I believe in rapture and understand it, therefore I am better than these others", or "I do not believe in rapture and i know Bible very well, therefore I am more spiritual or godly than these others", is not of God or from above. Rapture is a MYSTERY.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The second coming of Jesus is not a mystery, or unknown, or secret, or hidden, or puzzling. Everyone is aware. In fact, even Enoch was aware a long time ago as evidenced in his prophecy. The angels told about 500 people about the second coming at Christ's ascension, and many scriptures are quite open and clear about His coming again. It is the rapture that is not too clear, and you don't even need to understand it to please God or even partake. How much doctrine did the thief at the cross know before getting to paradise, i suppose not much. Knowledge does not necessarily edify but rather puffs up. Now, to respond directly to your post/point at the risk of not being lengthy. i'll remind from this quote that Jesus told us that believers are as angels in heaven. So, when Jesus comes back with His angels or saints, they can actually/really be believers. Consider that.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

You're not getting it and it's too bad. Please understand that VITAL point. The rapture theory teaches a separation BEFORE the end. But the Bible clearly teaches that there is NO separation before the end. That Corinthians verse you shared up there doesn't change anything. I'll talk more about it.
As for the holy angels being the believers, I disagree. Read Matt. 25:31-32. He was talking about Heavenly angels who are coming to separate the sheep from the goats?
Do you see what I'm talking about?
Are you now saying the supposed "sheep" are also the holy angels? C'mon!

The words "Bible, Trinity, demons, Rapture" are not found in the Bible(at least not in the KJV/AV), this does not rule out the existence and relevance of the concepts/meanings.

You see what I'm talking about? If rapture and trinity is not in the Bible, why invent it? Is the Bible not supposed to be our sole guide? Please note: Bible simply means "Book", so the collection of scriptures into one is actually a book; Holy Book. The only phrase that looks like rapture in the Bible is "caught up" in Thessalonian. I have no problem with the word rapture, but the concept: That there's a separation BEFORE the end. As for trinity, that's a topic for another day. That concept is no where found in the Bible.

Now, you do not form doctrine from parables. Time and space would not permit me to expatiate that. It is often a case of he who has ears to hear. The kingdom of God is several times likened to several things in the Bible. Taking each one of those several things literally will not help understanding.

This is not a doctrine, my friend, it's the Bible truth. Those were the words of Jesus in parables, not doctrines of men. And you know what? He ended up explaining the parable, so you don't even have to look for the meaning.

For instance, in the parable, if you put all men as wheat and tares only, who are the "men that slept"? Who are the servants of the householder? Other nagging questions can be raised and other parables can be brought up to counter and contradict. The point here is that you do not normally take a parable to form a doctrine.

Again, this's not a doctrine, it's the Bible fact.
Read this:
Matt. 13:37-40 "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man," replied Jesus. "The field is the whole world. The good seed? That is the sons of the kingdom, while the weeds are the sons of the evil one. The blackguard who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of this world. The reapers are angels"
This's the point Jesus wants you to understand. Stop looking for what's not lost.

This again is based on that one parable. Seems like there's that much ado about the parable than is needful. i do not know how the parable relates or if the parable relates to the rapture. But i am certain of this one below, it is no parable.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
There is a mystery, and we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. That encapsulates what the rapture is about. It would happen in the twinkling of an eye. This is different from the event where EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM. That cannot happen in a moment. These ones are not parables.

The 1Cor 15:52 can not happen until the tares are separated from the wheat(Matt 13:30); goats from the sheep(parable of talents: Matt 25:32); the casting away of the bad and gathering the good into the vessel(parable of the dragnet Matt 13:48); the foolish virgins locked out from the wise ones(Matt 25:10). Do you see? This's not about one Bible verse. All Jesus parable of the last day talks about separating the bad from the good. It's after then, the dead in the Lord will be quickened and transformed and then the living saved with put on immortality. This will not happen before and there's no where in the Bible that said otherwise. We'll be transformed in a twinkle of an eye( call this rapture if you like), but it's not going to happen before the wheat or being separated from the tares at the end of the world.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ...'And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.'
Isn't the above texts addressed to God's people( the troubled). The Lord is coming back for His poeple and to destroy the wicked.

Psalm 50:3-4 ... 'Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence:a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.'

Can you see that Psalm? Jesus is coming to devour the wicked and to call His own to heaven from above. It's not a separate event my friend.

Of course, the church and the wicked continue to live together on earth until the END OF THE WORLD. That's the point of the millenial 1000year reign.

Sorry Bros, this world as we know it will be laid to waste at the second coming of Christ and no, the wicked will be dead during this 1000 years.
The truth is, when Christ Jesus returns at the second coming, the wicked will be destroyed, the dead saints will be resurrected and the saints who are still alive will be "caught up" to meet Jesus in the air. And then we will be taken to heaven to start the 1000 year millennium.
And why do we "meet the Lord in the air"? Because Jesus is NOT going to set foot upon the earth during the second coming. And the second phase of His return with the saints will be at the END of the 1000 year millennium.

Who is the church coming to reign over before? Animals? No. After the tribulation, the church comes to earth with Jesus and reigns for a thousand years during which time Satan is bound. After Satan's release, he goes out to deceive people who are deceiveable. Of course, you can imagine the population growth and prosperity in a thousand year period where Jesus is reigning on earth with His saints. Not all of the people on earth will be born again or kings then, but since the tempter is locked up, there will be relative goodness.

Verse 27 of Jeremiah 4 says that the whole land is desolate, but God will not make a complete end. This matches with the truth that the earth will be 'made new', and we will inhabit this 'earth made new' after the 1000 years. So God is not going to totally destroy this world. His is going to 'burn up' all things in it (2 Peter 3:10) and then renew it (2 Peter 3:13).
And no, God's people won't spend the 1000 years on earth because, during this time, it will be desolate. Read Revelation 20:2-7 and you'll understand that during this period, the saints are going to reign with Christ as priests of God and Christ(verse 6). And no, the saved of God won't be living side by side with the wicked during this time, because they are either dead before the second coming or dead at the second coming. Revelation 20:5 made us understand that during this 1000 years, the rest of the dead(the lost) live not, so your point that they'll live together falls flat here. The lost will be dead until the expiration of the 1000 years.
When will the 1000 reign begins?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ...'For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.'

Where will the saint be during this time? Jesus has the answer: John 14:1-3 ...'Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you,I will come again, and receive you unto myself;that where I am, there ye may be also.'
We know that we will spend eternity living on the new earth. So for us to be with Jesus in heaven, we would need to be there during the 1000 year millennium, which is why Jesus said "I will come again and receive you unto Myself, that where I AM there ye may be".
Any other cooked up story about this that's not in the scripture is a lie from hell.

When the tempter comes, many will join him as tares. Then God will come and judge the earth. This is summarized kind of in revelations 19 and 20.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Remember the mention of first resurrection in Rev 20:5? It's the resurrection of the dead in the Lord. So if there's a first resurrection, there must be a second resurrection. Are we not also told that the rest of the dead lived not tii after the 1000years in Rev. 20:5?
Notice: the saints are in heaven with Christ; the lost are dead; the earth is desolate; and satan is bound in the bottomless pit( this isn't a literal prison; it's simply the earth. Why? Because the earth is desolate with only satan and no one to tempt).
After the 1000 years, the New Jerusalem will descend from God.
2 Peter 3:13 ...'Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.'
Revelation 21:1-4 ...'And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.'
Please note that the book of Revelation is not chronological.

It's at this point that the second resurrection (the lost live again after 1000years: Rev. 20:5) takes placed. At this point, satan is loosed out of his prison(state of having no one to tempt). He will deceive the resurrected lost again and gather them to attack the city, but fire from God will devour them. They will be destroyed; satan, death, grave, the beast and the lost. The Bible call it "the second death" Rev 20:14.
Support whatever the objection you have with the scripture. If you feel the rapture will happen before second coming, I want to see a prove, not 1corin 15:52 that suggests the catching up of saints at the second coming. To prove that 1cor 15:52 is talking about the second coming of Christ and not only the catching up of saints, just read from verse 23 and see for yourself
So where did you get the idea that the rapture is a mystery while the second coming is known and that they are two separate events? You see the danger of reading verses in isolation?

I tire for una o!

So it has started? It's making sense now

damosky12:
You still haven't gotten the point. I didn't say the KJV says something else, I only sight an evident confusion here through your interpretation. Hence, the prescription of the Amplified version for your study.

First, I want you to know that the "tares among the wheat" are not just sinners or unbelievers in general as you think but the 'devilish' persons among the Christians. The Amplified describes them not just as ; "causes of offence" but ; "persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin". "Others" there refers to other believers. That makes the context clear enough. That's specific enough. That's why the gathering is; "out of his kingdom" not "taken out of the earth" as you posted. No! That's error my dear.

Don't confuse yourself man. The kingdom of God as used in the Bible doesn't always refer to the Kingdom of Heaven. That's the point you're ignorant of. The Kingdom of God as used here means the Church. You're not making sense-permit my use of word-saying the gathering of tares out of His Kingdom is not on earth. Pray tell, where? Heaven? Can satan plant tares into the kingdom of heaven? No. He can't even get back to heaven again.
In many of His parables Jesus taught His disciples that the Kingdom of God would coexist in the world with the kingdom of satan for a time. In that parable of the Weeds (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-44) he explains "how the Kingdom can be present in the world without wiping yet not wiping out all opposition. The parable of the Dragnet (Matt. 13:47-50) likewise speaks of a time of coexistence followed by a separation when the Kingdom is fully established at the end of the age.
Please Matt. 13:47-50 to get a grasp of what Jesus likened the Kingdom of God unto.
In the text under review, satan planted weed in God's field. They grew together until they're separated at harvest.
Read Matt. 13:38 where Jesus made it clear that the field is the world. Despute that if you can.
It isn't new that we have agents of satan planted into the church-acclaimed christians who are actually working for satan. And when I say "church", I mean the whole body of Christ on earth and not just a four walled auditorium.
At the last day, the weeds in and outside the church will be uprooted and burned. If you can not come to term that the location of the field (kingdom planted by God) is the world as specifically stated in Matt 13:38, then I'm done with you. The Bible is self-explanatory; don't confuse yourself.
Your argument has no bearing on the topic.

Ayiose:
My friend go thru d comments on ur display especially by d one they call chinaimporter and see where ur exhibition has brought d Almighty, blasphemous ridicule! Rom.2:24. Rapture or no rapture God is! He is a loving, fair & just God.

Since you have the courage to read chinaìmporter post and many other comments, you have no excuse not to read the original post.
Once you saw "false" and "rapture" on the same sentence, you assamed I meant the saved of the Lord won't be caught up in the air at Jesus second coming. Sorry, that's not what my thread is about.
Jesus is coming back for His own as I supported this with Matt 13:24-30, 38-40, just that it's not going to be the way you've been taught in which the righteous would be raptured away secretly then tribulation will continue for another 7 years after which the rest of the people who didnt take the mark will be saved then the lost destroyed. This teaching is dangerous as it gives people a false sense of second chance.
Study the above verses and you'll see that the last day event is a one time thing; the lost will be lost forever and the saved will be saved, no second chance.
It's not my fault if some people are too lazy too read.
The reprobate souls are solely responsible for the "blasphemous ridicule" because they didn't learn that on my post.
You people can not read your Bible to know that in the second coming of Jesus, He will come to destroy the wicked and save His people, just like in the days of Noah, but you find it convenient to believe that he will first take the righteous secretly, then come back after 7 years.
Just when you see someone to point you the error in your belief, you call him agent of the devil without reading a line of his a write-up.
In this end time, many people will be damned for eternity for lack of knowledge.

damosky12:
Without wasting time, if you have The Amplified Version, just point to me where you need me to explain?

No you have to.
The verse you just quoted is the same I have in my bible and doesn't in anyway dispute the ones that preceed it.
Just post it here. It answers your question.
Or should I do it for you?

This is it:

Matthew 13:38-42 Amplified Bible (AMP)
38 The field is the world, and the good seed means the children of the kingdom; the darnel is the children of the evil one,
39 And the enemy who sowed it is the devil. The harvest is the close and consummation of the age, and the reapers are angels.
40 Just as the darnel (weeds resembling wheat) is gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the close of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense [ [ a ] persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly,
42 And will cast them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth.

Matthew 13:38-42 King James Version (KJV)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Now tell me where the difference is and how it invalidate the points I raised in my post?
You chose what you believe but you can't tell me versions of the Bible are saying different things when in actual sense, it's the same.
Will Jesus come back? Yes. Are the tares children of satan and planted by him? Yes. Will His angels gather the tares first for destruction before the wheats are gathered into His kingdom? Yes
So what's the point you're making here?

I didn't just wake up today and put it up.

egbose:
Otr1 you confuse yourself your theory . Don't read bible like literature . Read the bible with the help of the holy spirit . You muddle up the whole analysis there by shooting yourself on the foot.

Where did I shoot myself in the feet?

damosky12:
you didnt study critically.. if you did for instance with the Amplified, you will observe matthew 13:41 as it says "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM [persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly".
Notice it is a gathering OUT OF HIS KINGDOM and not OUT OF THE EARTH. "HIS KINGDOM THERE" signifies Christiandom. Besides, the AMP version brings more light to the "tares among the wheat" as "persons among the christians that draw others into error or sin" and not just unbelievers. The devil did not sow unbelievers rather he sowed agents into Christiandom [among the wheat]. Thats why the AMP makes it clear saying; "...gather out of HIS KINGDOM...". A lot more to tell you about. I hope that helps you from wrong information.

Quote verses 38-40 of that chapter from your bible for me.

damosky12:
Dont be confused by those MATTHEW LUKE scriptures you base that false doctrine on. Simply read it critically from the Amplified version, Living Bible. Stop getting confused by the KJV english language. You can thank me later.

You're the one who should check again sir. I have those versions of the bible you mentioned and they say the same thing

mrkings84:
ARE YOU sure that's not exactly what you wanted? May God have mercy on u both.

If you read the post, you'll know the message I'm passing accross.
I only corrected a wrong belief about what the second coming of Christ is about.

For those who didn't read the original post. This is what will happen at the second coming of Christ:

Matthew 13:24-30 ...'Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him,Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said,Nay; [NO] lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.'

Matthew 13:38-40 ...'The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.'

The lost shall be destroyed first, then the saved will go with Jesus.
So if you still think you'll have a second chance after Jesus' second coming as you've been taught by rapture theorists, you've missed it.

luvprince4real:
There is nothing like lake of fire in hell. Hell means grave, tomb, sepulcre etc. Even d bible has it that jesus christ descended to hell when he died Acts 2:31. So if there is fire in hell made only for sinners why did jesus go there? Hell is a place made for all d dead both righteous and unrighteous till judgment day when they will be called up for judgment by Lord Jesus.

There is lake of fire o!
We have sheol, hades and gehenna being translated as hell in the English Bible. Sheol and hades means grave, while gehenna is the lake of fire [as used in Rev. 20:10, 15]

MVLOX:
While Hell (Hades) is d common grave of man, lake of fire symbolizes the permanent removal of all of mans problems and there causes....that is why literal things that can not be burn like death and even Hell are said to be thrown into d lake of fire. And we all knw wat happens when something is thrown into fire....it burns completely and can never be see and gotten back again

Thanks for this

Epimetheus:
OP, why are you just stating this now? Your thread appeared under religion. It doesn't state if you are Buddhist, atheist, or whatever. You don't choose who reads or comment on a thread. If you want to, go and start your own blog.

What does the first rule of this forum tell you? "1. Please post all threads in the right section, and don't derail threads by posting off topic."
His post violates the bolded, coz what he posted have no bearing on the topic. You get it?

folabayo1:
I believe what my heart tell me anyway

You certainly didn't read it

Rexyl:
It looks lke a very long epistle that I couldn't just read once because I am constrained presently, but if the whole content is meant to strengthen faith no problem!

It's meant to correct the wrong belief that Jesus will come in two phases; the rapture and the second coming after 7 years.
What the Bible really says is that, The second coming of Jesus is the end of this world; the lost will be destroyed, the saved will be taken, the earth will be laid to waste and the devil will be left lonely for 1000 years with no one to tempt.

But sadly, almost all didn't take time to read it.