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Wotowotoman:
This Colombia national anthem wey be like say na war song. These Colombians are ready to die on the pitch o

Dem be drugii men nah,nah their things dey always be

See South Africans comments on social media!
So primitive and barbaric.
So, even if the guy commits any crime,the best way South African government can handle it is by empowering its citizens to plan to kpai the guy?
Which one is;
If he is not going back,he will be in the graveyard?
RIP in advance my guy!
Blablabla,etc

And their government is watching.

Pillar12:
Argentina 0-2 Egypt 79 mins'

Argentina 3-2 Egypt 92 mins'


This is Embarrassing from the Egyptian team

It is terrible

Pacesetter123:
Oh my God!
Egypt are about "SENEGALIZING" this match...ooo!!
Wot a u.s.e.less team

I said it! This was when it was 2:1 that I made this comment.
African teams lack football technical-know-How

Oh my God!
Egypt are about "SENEGALIZING" this match...ooo!!
Wot a u.s.e.less team

Chai,I don laff tired watching the video

See as robot dey play kunfu with the staff.
All this wild behavior by the robot ,e be like say the company dey owe am 3 months salary.
Make them try dey pay am on time abeg for the work wey him dey do for them.

Fujiyama:
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It has been quite an exchange. You and I don't agree on quite a number of things but you have provided very valuable eye witness accounts on a number of things that affect us as a people. You have also kept the discussion issue-based and that's why I decided to engage you up to this point.



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This is true on both a general and specific level. The big question is: how is government failing and where do the responsibilities for those failures lie?

While in the end, BAT must assume overall responsibility for the failures of his administration, he isn't expected to wear khaki, grab a rifle and go confront BHT or rogue herdsmen in the forest. There are soldiers and other security people who have been assigned that specific responsibility - but they are failing to execute. So you see that there is the general failure of government (for which BAT must take overall responsibility) in providing security - and then there is failure in the field (for which the military commanders (plus rank and file) must take specific responsibility). As you can see, there is plenty of failure to go round but we must not lump everything together.



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No.

I disagree very strongly.

Every state in Nigeria has a security council or committee or whatever they choose to call it. The state governor, Commissioner or Police, senior NSCDC commanders, senior military commanders etc. are all members of that council or committee. The Kebbi state security committee apparently did its job and the responsibility for carrying out its decision on intel received - was assigned to the military. The military then inexplicably decided to stand down in the middle of the night - and two men are dead because of this.

There is no reason why the military high command has not publicly responded to these allegations by the Kebbi state governor. No reason at all.

Yes, you do have a point: by now BAT should have set up a panel to probe the matter but Nigerians shouldn't have to wait for an investigative panel before the military authorities respond publicly to such grave allegations. We shouldn't have to wait!

The Kebbi governor has done his part and told Nigerians what happened. This is particularly important since he doesn't directly command any of the security forces. Nothing on this earth excuses the silence of the military on this matter. Nothing whatsoever.

The Kebbi situation was an open and shut case.



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These are valid questions.

No reasonable person would argue about this.



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Again, these are valid questions you have raised.

There is clearly a lack of will to tackle these security challenges going all the way to the top. Where you and I disagree is the so called constraints on the military response to these challenges.

The military (even at the level of a team of 5 or 6 soldiers in a patrol vehicle) have considerable latitude to respond to a threat to law and order. They don't have to wait for orders from the C-in-C to contain an immediate threat to lives and property. After all, if a military vehicle on routine patrol is attacked by a group of individuals, will they wait for orders from the C-in-C before responding? If a barracks is attacked by insurgents in the middle of the night, will the soldiers wait for orders from the C-in-C before responding? Of course not.

There is an inexplicable lack of political will at the top to tackle the problem of insecurity in Nigeria. We can all agree on that. But there is also an inexplicable failure of the military at the operational level - failure that repeats itself time after time after time. The military failure is more serious because they are the ones who actually have to go into the field to get the job done.



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What are these commands that have been issued by the C-in-C in the South but not in the North? This isn't very clear.

As far as I am aware, the C-in-C doesn't issue detailed operational commands. That task is left to the military high command to execute - and that is where a lot of things are going wrong. BAT isn't in the field fighting alongside soldiers - and he shouldn't be. That's not his job description.

The military has always claimed it is the only 'true' national institution in Nigeria - things like 'tribalism' and ethnocentricity and discrimination on the basis of religion - these were all 'civilian' shortcomings. So how does that tie in with what you say about religious sentiment and ethnic consideration?



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Ok.

To say is not hard.



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It is interesting that your response about Nigerian army violence against innocent civilians is just one sentence. Just one.

Last week, Nigerian soldiers went to a university in Osun state and did awful things to their fellow citizens. Surely you can condemn their actions more strongly than just a one liner.

Nigerians need to decide on the kind of society in which they want to live. These soldiers sometimes behave worse than animals - and people just accept it as one of those things. If the police openly did this sort of nonsense there would be loud complaints and loud demands for action to be taken. But it's the army and some Nigerians like to be dominated by soldiers - so they remain silent.

Young women were sexually assaulted in this Osun incident. Is that army work?

Phones were stolen. Is that army work?

Young men were severely beaten. Is that army work?

University property was damaged. Is that army work?

You say that Nigerian military capability is not in doubt, Nigerian soldiers are 'good at military expeditions etc. But the evidence just doesn't support these claims.

When it comes to containing Boko Haram or rogue pastoralists, all we hear from these soldiers are excuses - political interference, lack of equipment, saboteurs, lack of kit etc. But they don't have these constraints when it comes to burning down entire villages and killing old people in Okuama or Odi or Zaki Biam - for the transgressions of a few. To this day, those places have not recovered. And all for what?

This unprovoked violence against civilians has been going on since the 1970s. Fela Kuti (himself a victim) sang about this many, many years ago. And nothing has changed.

Nigerians will take these soldiers seriously when we can all travel on the highways in peace. Anything else is a waste of time.

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Emeka71:
Just say bye-bye to England because Norway shall beat them.

Dem no fit.
The 3 Lions go devour the Vikings as soon as dem come down from their canoe.

Abaribe and Oshomole well deserving.
The two of them are men with steel balls that speaks on national issues in the floor of the senate without fear and political affiliation.
But that Borno Senator there should be replaced with his brother who is more competent than him and has contributed a lot to the advancement of democracy and good governance legislative-wise.I am talking about Senator Ali Ndume.

Olat4421:
Hmm look at d way fifa manipulate d rule just to favor d host when has fifa turn to dis I thought fifa has always been neutral

FIFA neutral ke?
If FIFA was to be neutral,USA and Iran should not have participated in this world cup due to their military engagement.
Going by the precedent they set with Russia.

uunwanaobong3:
England should appeal this red card so that their player can play next match...... A precedence has been set and teams should follow the USA lead.

I wouldn't be surprised if USA lost their match and then Trump called FIFA president to overturned the result and he complied. Everything is possible in this particular world cup, there are no rules.

This American world cup is a crime scene

[quote author=frog12 post=139936597]honestly those mexicans have themselves to blame if they lose. how they allow engliand 2nd goal still dey baffle me.

those english players are crafty [/quote
@English players being crafty.

Kalulu44:
Shey you heard the commentator, that's Harry Kane 73rd goal of the season for club and country.
Till Osimhen or Mbappe or Halaand retires they'll only be dreaming of it especially Osimhen

Wow! Harry Kane is a very phenomenal and a prolific striker.

MaziObinnaokija:
ENG 3
MEX 2


BET WITH YO CAR
PAPA HOUSE
2 BALLS

You sayyyy?
Omo, you carry small winch for prediction..oo

Kalulu44:
We're watching, I don't want to say anything for now

Ok nah

Game over!
3:2 in favour of England.
Good defending there guys.

Ahh Ahh! Ref no be penalty be that nah.
Kane kick the stud of the guy nah.
Nah him you suppose blow foul for not Kane.
Which kind ojoro officiating be this?

Harry Kane scores from the spot .
England 3 vs Mexico 1 even with the red card.
They try wella

England Quansa don chop red card.
Him don spoil the match with that him reckless tackle.
They fit no survive for Mexico hand

The Mexican pulled 1 back almost immediately.
England,abeg make una no bottle this game like African teams dey do .oo

England don nack Mexico akpako.
Jude Bellingham with a brace

Carlo Ancelotti nah my former coach wey I like so much.
But him don fvk up.
Why you leave in form Jao Pedro come carry this yeyeh Igor Thiago and Bruno?
Now,no striking force.Even Richardlison better pass all those guys him carry for the
The players generally are too slow for modern football apart from Vini. Now, Norway Vikings Mikasa don sink their boats.
Next time if him go still stay as their coach,him go learn a lesson.

Fujiyama:
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There you go.



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In a sense, Sani Abacha and MKO Abiola are in the same whatsapp group. The supporters of both men always talk about 'what might have been'. I will repeat what I said earlier: would Sani Abacha have been able to stay the course? These matters are complex - we are talking about a dispute over a resource rich territory in which France (a nuclear power) was interested. There is no way of telling how it would have ended if Abacha had lived longer.




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You do have a point here. Only OBJ can fully explain why he took the position he did.



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Striking first doesn't guarantee victory. I'm sure you know that.

No one knows for sure how that whole business would have turned out over the long term. The Bakassi peninsula is a resource rich territory and both Camerounian eyes and french eyes were on it. If matters had escalated and it turned into a full blown conflict with air, land and naval military resources being fully deployed by all sides - are you sure you will be saying what you are saying now?

War is a grueling, destructive business. When Russia fully invaded Ukraine, some people correctly predicted that the war was going to last for several years. It was hard to believe then but they were right - that war has been on for over 4 years with terrible losses on both sides. And no end in sight.

The key question in the Bakassi story was the scale of french involvement. That was always the decider and the french hadn't really gone all in at the time. If they had, the outcomes may well have been very different - even if Abacha were still alive and in power till today.




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I don't need to underrate or demystify them - they are doing those things to themselves.

It will soon be 20 years since this Boko Haram nonsense started - before rogue herdsmen joined in - and all we keep getting from these soldiers is one excuse after another.

Meanwhile...just last week, Nigerian soldiers in Osogbo who should have been gearing up for combat in Nigeria's many trouble spots went to Osun State University...and did what Nigerian soldiers do. Robbery, theft, sexual assault, battery etc. The university administrator was left in tears at the scale of wrongdoing. Up till now no action has been taken by the military authorities and the students/university authorities have been left to lick their wounds and pick up the pieces.

https://punchng.com/rampaging-soldiers-invade-uniosun-hostels-assault-students-seize-phones/

This is what the Nigerian army is known for. The worst kind of behaviour that would be unthinkable in a proper army fit for purpose. All we are waiting for now is a statement from the Nigerian army HQ that the perpetrators were unknown soldiers or some other nonsense like that.

This is who they are.



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No.

We keep hearing this talk about how great the Nigerian army is but the evidence doesn't support it. The world judges by results, not rhetoric.

I deal in facts and I will leave you with just one example but it is a crucial one:

School girls were kidnapped in the middle of the night from a secondary school in Kebbi last December. Sadly, two employees of the school were killed in the raid. After the abduction, the Kebbi state governor went on national TV to tell the world that his government had earlier received intel of an impending attack and soldiers had therefore been posted to guard the school. On the night of the attack, the soldiers were inexplicably withdrawn in the middle of the night - and within an hour of their withdrawal, the kidnappers struck.

Up till now, the military have not contradicted the Kebbi governor's claims and they have also not provided any info on who told the soldiers to stand down - and why. As far we are aware, only a military commander can give orders for men on guard duty to stand down. So who gave the order - and why?

These claims about 'civilians' and 'government' being responsible for the unbelievable security failures we are seeing - just doesn't add up. There are specific duties and responsibilities assigned to the military and those duties and responsibilities are just not being carried out.

The fantastic, gallant military you are all hyping simply doesn't exist.

Guy,why I find it interesting to engage you in this important national discourse is that you keep your conversation mature, civil and makes it issue based.Thats so commendable of you.

Now,back to the main issue,we are not hyping the Nigeria military as you said,rather, we are making a statement of fact based on their numerous exploits in various Int'l engagement.

Like I said earlier,the issue of festering insurgent in Nigeria is as a result of weak government.
I do not blame the soldiers in the field for it at all! I blame the president who is the commander-in-chief of the Armed forces.Give the command,and the soldiers in the field will carry it out.But when you refuse to give the command nobody will carry any action out.
Even our current Presido knows that the primary purpose of any government is security of life and property and that the power to do so is inherent in the office of the president.That was why it was reported that he told President Jonathan that; On the matter of security,the bulk stops at the president's table.
That he should stop giving excuses and rescue the Chibok girls or he resign.
But why hasn't he done so today?
Like you mentioned in your comment that the Kebbi state governor raises alarm that the military men who were deployed to guard the school said they received order to leave the place and the kidnapping took place few minutes later.
The question you should ask yourself should be,why is the president who is the C-in-C of the Armed Forces not set up an investigative panel to probe such a weighty allegations?
Why is he silent about it while the children suffered in the bush?
Let me give you an example why I said the terrorism wouldn't have lasted beyond a month if the FG was really interested in fighting it.
During Buhari's time,I think around 2022 or so.There was an Armed group in some section of Akwa Ibom that disturbed public peace.They burnt down police station and some security men that confronted them were unalived brutally.
It didn't take PMB anything to issue an order to the security forces to wipe out the group.
Air and ground forces were deployed on the order of the C-in-C.
The entire armed group camp was levelled by aerial bombardment within a day.
Civilian space wasn't spared in the process too.And within a month,the group wasn't heard of again till today.
The bombing am talking about took place in a L.G.A called Essien Udim which is the LGA that the present Senate President comes from.Still during that time, Buhari also ordered total aerial bombardment of a place called Olu in Imo State to get rid of ESN group.
But do you know that that was the same time Fulani Herdsmen massacred and sacked the entire community in Agatu LGA in Benue state and Buhari refused to order even boys scout to go after the killer herdsmen there?
And that Benue mass killinggg continue unabated till today with no military action ordered by the C-in-C?
So will you still blame the military in that case that the can't fight?
Also,a lot of military men were and are still being killedddd in Kebbi,Katsina, Borno,Niger ,Zamfara,in Short,in all the northern states.Have you seen the C-in-C issuing such command that they always gave if it happened in the South?
No! They haven't and won't probably because of Islamic religious sentiment,ethnic consideration in the case of Buhari and the selfish political interests of the power that be both passed and present under democratic rule.
This high level insecurity you are witnessing under democratic dispensation especially this present one CAN NEVER happen in the military era especially during the no-nonsense Abacha regime.But that is not to say we are saying military should come back to power.
No,that is not what we meant.
We are only stating the obvious that democratic government allows insurgency to fester for too long and claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of citizens due to tribalism, nepotism, religious affiliation and the quest to ganner votes from the North by all means which can never be seen during the military era.
So,in conclusion,the Nigeria military capability is not in doubt at all.Though we do condemned them for their brutality against innocent civilians.But when it comes to military expedition,they are good.
If the FG government decide to end the menace of terrorism and banditry today today,it will end.But the government won't dare try it bcuz of the above stated factors.

Kobojunkie:
1. Who told you that lie? Not even Yar'adua or Buhari was buried within 24 hours of their deaths. In each case, custom caskets were made, and the men were buried in those. How many places for Nigeria dem fit make custom casket within 24 hours?

2. Mohammed of Islam was not buried on the very same day that he died. This practice goes back to the very beginning of Islam. All while they keep lying to the gullible that in Islam, all dead are buried on the same day.

Hmmmm,Ok..ooo!!

Fujiyama:
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Ok.

It is easy to say these things now.

Buhari was also venerated as a no-nonsense military hard man - in the same manner you describe Sani Abacha. Buhari promised to deal with the Boko Haram problem and rout them within months of getting into office - and people believed him because he was a retired soldier. How did it turn out?

Abacha died before he could be put to the test with all these things you mention. That's the only reason he can be seen as a tough guy today by those who don't know how the system actually works.

Nigeria had a strong case for the Bakassi territory but in the usual Nigerian manner, we threw it all away. Nobody but Nigeria can be blamed for that - but that's a whole separate story on its own.




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Ok.

It would be good to tell exactly what your young "2 goro goro eye" saw. I am waiting.

You are not the only one who believes that Abacha would have held on to Bakassi if he were alive. But for how long? If the matter had escalated, what were his options? Was he ready to remain in it for the long haul - without a humiliating retreat in the end?

Was he fully ready if the matter had deteriorated into open armed conflict - and he had to order Nigerian soldiers to go to war? This question is very relevant given how those same soldiers cannot fully contain Boko Haram today. How would they have fared against a Camerounian army fully supported by French interests?



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Ok.

Bluster is free and easy. It costs nothing.

Like I have said on here several times - this our unfortunate Boko Haram problem has punctured so many myths about Nigerian military capabilities. After the civil war, there was no test of those capabilities on Nigerian soil for several decades. A few peace keeping missions and interventions here and there simply don't count.

Those military capabilities have now been tested on Nigerian soil by assorted Jihadi groups for over a decade - and the results are clear.

My brother you have a point there that if he was still alive and maybe has opportunity to rule Nigeria again as a civilian,he may not had been as tough as he was during his military era just like Buhari turned out to be.
But the good thing is that he left the stage when the ovation was still loud howbeit through unforeseen circumstances.
So we measured his toughness and his ability to protect the territorial integrity of Nigeria and her citizens to the extent of his last day of military rule only and not what he would have done if he had transitioned to the civil rule since he never lived to be a civilian president for us to see.
So,we still hold him in high esteem in my place as regards what he did for us in terms of security.Though weak and fear fear OBJ and Donald Duke later rubbished Abacha's hard and good work by freely handing over the oil reach peninsula for no public reason.

Then as for what his exit routes were if the was a full blown out war?It was a full blown out war already nah.
So,I want to answer you convincingly that his only planned exit routes was TOTAL VICTORY against the OCCUPIER.
BUT not for his untimely de@th, Nigeria military would have reclaimed beyond Bakassi up to Ubenekang,Ekondo and Idombi deep inside southern Cameroun within a year to act as a buffer zone.
When that full fledge war broke out,for your information,it didn't take Nigeria up to a year to capture all the villages in Bakassi ranging from the L.G hqtrs in Abana to Diamond,Okopedi,Ekeya,Ibekwe,etc that were already under the control of Cameroun despite the French military supports to them.And it was only one Division of the the Army that was deployed which was 13 Amphibious Brigade of Calabar.
So don't underated Nigeria army capabilities.

Finally,are you serious you believe that the lingering Boko Haram insurgency has demystified Nigeria military capability?
Wow! My guy no be so..ooh!
Don't allow anybody to deceive you, right from Buhari time till date, nobody is fighting any Boko Haram anything and in anywhere in Nigeria.
All what you see is political.No war against any insurgency anywhere.
If Nigeria government really wants to fight Boko Haram,they cannot withstand Nigeria military for just 3 months.
In fact,they wouldn't have even used military, Police Mobile Force alone can wipe out the ragtag Boko Haram terrorists in just 6 months.How many days did it take Buhari as just a GOC to wipe out Cameroun military invaders and stopped their incursion in the Northern boarders in the early 80s?
He wasn't even the Head of State then..oo,a GOC in Maidugri.When he noticed President Shagari was doing semesme with the life of the citizens in the hands of foreign invaders,he moved in without waiting for approval from the presidency and almost enter inside the enemies territory in matter of days.
Abi you never hear am?
Then wetin come be Boko Haram?
Our leaders are just playing politics with it otherwise it will be PMF that will finish the job in few months.

Fujiyama:
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While your ire is understandable, Nigeria was never the big time player you think she was.

Buhari was in bed with the same UK whom you think he taught a retaliatory lesson in the 80s. Bakassi has been under Camerounian control for decades and will remain so, Abacha's theatrics notwithstanding. In the end, Cameroun solidified its control through legal means and Nigeria was left with nothing (as usual).

As for Buhari being in the bed with UK then,I can't argue with you because I don't have full information about that.But my point remains that he grew some balls by taking a retaliatory action against them.Something none of our presidents in recent time can do.

Then on the matter of Bakassi still being under the control of the Camerounian government till now,it still boils that to what I mentioned before.....weak government.And that was only possible bcuz Abacha was no longer on earth.Otherwise,the territory would have still been under the control of Nigeria.Why didn't the kangaroo court in the Hague try that nonsense during his regime?
They couldn't because even Camerounian was even afraid of approaching the court while he was still alive.

Also,you called Abacha's intervention in the Bakassi issue theatrics?That means you don't even know what went on there.You don't know a bit of what he did to the Cameroun and France, their master.
Though I was a primary school pupil then,I saw things with my 2 goro goro eye.
I am not talking about what you read in the news papers,I'm talking as an eye witness account there.
Go and ask, Nigeria was respected or should I say feared during his time by the international community.
I repeat, Cyril Ramaphosa wouldn't have tried this nonsense with Nigeria citizens during his time.Fear wouldn't have allowed him.

No be that one wey been dey carry presidential jet fly go snap only pictures and come back be that that year wey her Papa be de Presido?

Why are you people still calling his Agency fake?
Are you people madtt or something?
You people in the media should stop that ASAP.
Fake Agency dey get office apartment for Federal Secretariat?
Director-General of Fake Agency dey get 6 police escorts assigned to am by IGP?
Fake Agency dey host members of the Diplomatic Corp?
Fake Agency dey get jumbo money for national budget?
Fake Agency dey recruit staff wey FG don approved through office of the HoCS of the Federation and SGF?
You bloggers,una no go stop fooling unah selves and some gullible Nigerians?

So, they do all this kind of lengthy days funeral celebration in Islam?
Our 3 former Presido wey don kpai,nah just one day low key kind of celebration wey them just do and them bury them sharpally sharpally.
No time for invitation to world leaders,no time for procession,in fact,in the case of Sani,there was no time for even coffin.
It was white clothes that I saw in the television as they used and wrapped his body and lowered to the grave.

So how come this elaborate funeral in Iran?
Which brand of Islam do they practice there and which brand are they practicing in Naija?
I just want to know.

billyG:
So na so Larry take die

Make I no laff you sef

Well,then we should be sueing those moslems that burnt down churches and kpai the Christian worshippers in the North.
I think Amnesty International put the figure of the churches burnt in recent times in the North by moslems at around 500.
So, two, two hundred million naira into five hundred places is a big amount of money.
We should not tolerate their nonsense again,we should start to sue them.