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Great couple, happy married life.

This is pathetic, there was indeed a nation!

Hmm

Gone are the days when morality and modesty are cherished, celebrated and rewarded, but today reverse is the case.

Anyways the devil knows he has a very short time and need to up his game.

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Blessed are the rich in Christ cos they have GRACE which is the true riches.
G - God's
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christ
E - Expense

Only a few would understand this.

Hmm

We really need serious change in this nation, some vehicles are not meant to ply our roads, and if at all at night as in a sane clime heavy duty vehicles only ply the road at night.

RIP little one, unfortunately your nation failed u.

Tho on the other hand you are saved from the woes of the world, especially this country.

PastorAIO:
It makes about as much sense as your stupid utterances thus far.

You have being denouncing the Roman Catholic Church. Yet they can actually provide document tracing their tradition back to Apostolic tradition.

You on the other hand cannot, yet you have the miserable gall to denounce them.

Then stupidly you try to use Noah as a metaphor. According to the bible Noah is everybody's ancestor and nobody is questioning whether anybody is a human being. According to the bible everybody ought to descend from Noah.

But according you NOT everybody is coming from the apostles. Then you accuse the people that can provide documentation as fake, while you that have no basis and no proof, you are claiming to be the correct christian. are you not a mad man?

Kids running around Nairaland, cos u can hold a reasonable conversation again u result to insult. No problem don't quote me again as I report u. Wishing u all the best in whatever way u choose.

PastorAIO:
Nope, I wasn't advocating for Roman Catholicism. Afterall those churches I mentioned are today in the fold of the Greek Orthodox church which is guilty of all the things you accuse Roman Catholics of.

The Ethiopian Eunuch was converted on the Road to Gaza. Not in ethiopia. Gaza is in the middle east. If you don't believe I can bring a map.

But guess what? The Ethiopian church does all the things that you accuse the Roman catholic Church of doing. Go and find out about Mary's Feat day called Feast of Filsata.

http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/amharic/seasonal/Filsataineotc.pdf

So EVERY church that has mariology can trace itself back to the apostles but you that think you are holier than them, you don't even belong to any christian tradition.

Sigh, the Ethiopian eunuch started the Church tho he was saved in the middles east. This is goes on to show that a Church could be started when there is a need in as much as one got saved. And my argument wasn't based on the their practices, all I was trying to established was that it was formed.

Definitely every Church should be able to trace back to the apostles invariably Christ, but note the apostles did not bring the Gospel but Jesus' death and resurrection did. The apostles were only carriers of the Gospel. So the trace really is to Christ, any Church that can't be traced to Christ and His teachings is false. My point is simple, just as the tracing of the genealogy of a man doesn't really negate his humanity if it can be proven beyond every reasonable doubt that he is as he possesses all the characteristics of one.

NB so what is there to prove when a Church do not possess the characters of Christ.

PastorAIO:
Presuming the story of noah was historical fact then Yes, if you can't trace your lineage back to noah you're not a human being, unless some other ancestors existed that aren't Noah.

So what u wrote here make sense to? if one can't trace his lineage back to Noah then he isn't human even if he is obviously? U just missed the point totally, the fact that he can't prove his lineage doesn't negate his being. I bet u can't even prove ur lineage to the past 200 years, yet u spilling this. Anyways I see u just want to argue.

PastorAIO:
I do realise that and I also realise that the genesis of christianity was in Asia and middle east.

Henceforth if you cannot trace your christianity to these roots then you are just deceiving yourself.

Smile, I think i understand u a bit now. "If one can't trace your Christianity to these then one is not a Christian", everyone can now see clearly what u trying to prove. What of the Church in Ethiopia allegedly started by the Ethiopian eunuch? What makes one a Christian? What's the purpose of Christ's death and resurrection? How was the Church formed? And lastly according to ur statement, I say also if u can't trace ur lineage back to Noah then u are not a human being (note I said "You" and not Africa).

NB just come out straight and say it that if one is not a Roman Catholic then he is not a Christian cos I can bet u have been dying to establish that.

PastorAIO:
But you cannot tell the story of this one church.
Paul wrote letters to the church in Corinth so at the very least we can say that these churches had address that a postman can locate.

There is still a church in Corinth and it's position hasn't moved.

You cannot even tell me the story of your so called church. Who were its members on the 2nd century, on the 3rd century...

Do u realized that all the Churches that letter was written to in the book of revelation were all in Asia? Going by your rationale, then there are no other Churches recognized by Christ save the one in Asia as at time? One Church in the Spirit of Christ and not t a physical structure, or structure.

PastorAIO:
Oh, silly me. And there I was thinking that there was only one church.

Though we are many, we are one body in Christ.

PastorAIO:
You weren't asked WHERE the church is but WHAT happened to the church. In other words trace for us the narrative of its history.

Let me even add one more question of my own.
Do you consider yourself to be a member of this church? If yes, as a member can you trace your tradition in the church back to the apostles?

The Church the apostles formed is still very much intact as the Lord is building His Church and the gate of hades can not prevail over it. U just disturbing urself over nothing cos I know what u intend to establish. ur intentions, u establish Roman Catholic as the first and only Church n thus its doctrines are infallible. But sorry I ain't obliging u.

JMAN05:
I had wanted to comment on the first church before I saw someone question it. I don't know what could rightly be termed "available" in your comment. I think the churches in Rome were among those that came from the preaching work done during and after Pentecost. That they were among, does not mean that only the ones based in Rome are the only ones. Again, I don't know the context in which you use "available". Other churches were available, but may not have been as prominent.

All churches are offshoots from what Jesus established in Pentecost. After all there were other churches or groups that had there beginning from Jerusalem during Pentecost and others began by the ministry of Peter, Paul and other ministers. So this first church mentality is hilarious.

U are right, but for argument sake was the reason why I used available (that is known and mentioned as there were several others not in the limelight). In truth there was no one Church per se (at least physically, though we are in body in Christ) there are several Churches in the different settlements of those that believes in Christ. I think probably the idea of the first Church was for selfish reasons as Rome seek control (no one should quote me on this as its just a thought), reason I said there's more to records available. Funny enough, the only reason for the clamour of the first Church is to establish that all their doctrines and traditions are right and should not be questioned even when it obviously negate the scriptures.

PastorAIO:
So it took you 4 years to change your reason for not responding. In those 4 years you didn't have 5 minutes to respond.

Even your response to my post, abeg, it wasn't necessary. I don't need it. You should have used the energy and time to respond to the initial question.

What happened to the Church that Jesus founded?

Smile, its all over the world but surely not the Roman Catholic statue bowing Papacy controlled "monarchy". And pls don't quote again on this thread less I report u, if u wanna discuss I have said u open a thread as we thrash one question at a time as this thread has outlived its relevance.

PastorAIO:
Haba!! This is deplorable.

Your initial excuse for not returning was this:



And that is quite different from what you are now saying:



I believe 4 years is ample time to respond and fulfill a promise. You can't say that in the last 4 years you haven't been able to find 5 minutes to answer a simple question on NL. ( What happened to the Church that Jesus founded?).

You have contradicted yourself. Why did you run away from this thread? First you said, the only reason that you didn't return was 'chance'. Abi, you just didn't have the opportunity to return. But now you are telling a different story. You say the reason that you didn't return is because you 'know u guys are a lost case'. Which one is it?

Since you haven't come back to address the question in 4 years can we then conclude that you are indeed not a Sincere man as you said?

I will oblige the last mention cos probably u might have problem with comprehension. Check the interval of the two responses u called contradiction? I rightly promised to come back when i have the chance which I did reading through the thread, but when I saw what was happening on the thread I lost interest cos l no longer see reasons for the discourse. So please comprehend that and don't mention me again.

Ubenedictus:
actually you promised on the thread that you'll be back to answer those questions, that is why you were given time.... only now you have changed your story.


no wahala, i may very well create another thread when I have the time... but that doesn't excuse you from answering the questions you earlier promised to answer here.

Smile, after neglecting all I said, then emphasizing the irrelevant questions. Anyways, I am done with this thread. pls don't quote me on this thread again. stay blessed

Ubenedictus:
hello!

Hmm, quoting me after almost 4years? I left the thread then cos I know u guys are a lost case and would not disturb n waste my time over nothing.

NB Tho I might oblige u if u open a new thread and we thrash one question at a time, I mean one question at a time. This thread had long lost its course. If not please don't quote me again

Shake my head, what a country? Just barely 48hrs after the mass burial, and the man is still walking around and not locked up.

Irresponsibility

Wallade:
God is unquestionable and his ways can also be mysterious so pray for understanding. He can use whoever he wishes to use and you can do nothing about it. If many sound Christians, so to speak, are unavailable for use or wouldn't speak the truth about the matter because they don't want to "touch the anointed or do the prophet any harm". God can use the so called " man who hasn't fixed his life or man of daddy freeze calibre" to communicate to the world. Never dwell on the messenger because you may be distracted or miss the point, ponder on the message".

@Statsocial, are you better than daddy freeze to qualify you as eligible to fix the confusion on tithe issue. Can we say your life is absolutely fixed too.

God can use anyone no doubt even the lowly, but for that to happen it means that the original people who ought to have failed woefully. Both the accused and accusers fall short in this matter but God found a way to still make His point, this is my point all along.

NB Anyone defending anyone or organization as against the word and doctrine of God is not wise and ignorant of the word of God. What differentiate u from the so called men u defending is just the ignorance of who you are in Christ and all of God on this side of eternity. I think this is really the genesis of our problems, we have idolized men to the point whatever they sell to us we swallow hook line n sinker without much consideration. If I may ask where is the place of the Spirit? If u have the Spirit of God active in u then u know His doctrine and not be tossed by different wind of doctrine. My simple and one question to the pro-tithers is this, why did the apostles never practiced it and why did it only resurface some few hundred years ago after the levitical order?

Obviously our generation who claim to know more makes the practice laughable in the light of the word and history in the New Testament.

Statsocial:
You had better discern well than join a bandwagon. God indeed use the weak things of this world to confound the strong things. However, when God called out Paul who was a persecutor of the Church for service it took Paul a long time to learn before teaching. God would never commit "Fixing" of the Church into the hands of a Man who hasn't fixed his own life.

Exactly my point, wondered how u missed that. That's the irony of the whole thing anyways. A person of freeze calibre doing the Reformation while even those that know the truth never wanting to rock the boat.

NB To me, it's God's way of showing sarcasm and confounding the wise.

Stay blessed and remain rapturable

My problem in this whole fiasco is that it takes freeze who is not strong in the faith to speak while many have known the truth for a very long time but kept quiet. indeed God actually looked for a man!

Thank God for their lives

VictorRomanov:
That's because the rich and upper class created it. One wouldn't create something that wouldn't work in his favour, would he?

Not really, every case always have a precedence n if not the first lays the foundation for others, if u understand law. This is even when there is no so called rich or influence involved, so the problem really is with the system. If there had been a foundation or basis for all cases then there would be fairness cos really the law is not fair. And note the base for every law should be the scriptures n by extension God, this is the only way there can be absolute justice.

Though the concept of justice came from God but He is no longer the basis, little wonder the fort can't hold.

Hmm, I am really yet to understand our judicial system. Even generally worldwide, the legal system tend to be more lenient on the rich while harsh on the poor.

9jatatafo:
Fela really meant then that no government can kill him except a natural death. He lived up to it

What I wrote up there was not to sleight Fela or what he really meant by that, but to tell everyone the obvious truth that only Christ conquers death. My statement is really in the context of 1 Corinthians 13, look it up if you may so u get a better perception that no matter what one does or the influence on humanity or sacrifices, it doesn't really count without love (Christ).

Abami eda, "Anikulapo", hmm I guess you no longer "ni iku lapo"(having death in your pocket).

ONLY CHRIST CONQUERS DEATH

Obviously there is more to this, both spiritually and physically.

Shake my head, peoples life is simple run by social media. If it was possible people will take selfie in the other side of eternity.

"Except for your own good you are quick to raise your voice, clap, move, dance, jump and rejoicing in the Lord, Zion might never be yours"

This is the real meaning of the gentility of a tiger its not its weakness