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AugustineAgain:
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Yes they were white mercenaries from Zimbabwe, Portugal, and USA.

Also, 60% of South African army in battle during Angolan Bush war, were actually black men, mostly Angolan citizens.

South Africa was hiring foreign white and black men as mercenaries for the bush war, stop claiming glory by stealing as usual, the 60% glory of SADF belongs to mercenaries most of whom were black Angolans. SADF was giving out it's army uniform freely to foreign mercenaries that saved South Africa from the young hand of an inexperienced Cuban army of teenagers and girls, beautiful young girls

"3. Contrary to popular believe, most SADF soldiers fighting the Bushwar, were non-white volunteers, with as much as 60% by the closing years of the war."

https://sites.google.com/site/sabushwarsite/interesting

See Cuban soldier girls mocking South African army of mercenaries
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AugustineAgain:
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SADF used foreign mercenaries hired to help South African army in bush war against Angola.

Southies want to take all the glory ? No way ! Foreign mercenaries COMMANDED South African troops in Angolan war !

"There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre, although in the latter stages of its existence this shrank to only a few. "

http://flecha.co.uk/

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agaugust:
Bwahahahaha

Your own source actually confirms NO MOKOPA MISSILE FOR SANDF !


"On the other hand, SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced.

Wessels adds the SAAF is interested in the system for Lynx “but want us to succeed somewhere else first”, as it does not have the cash on hand to pay for the integration costs. This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject."


The whole 10km long range idea of Mokopa is actually a foolish project idea of Soweto mumus, it cannot work on battlefield, I have always said South African's noise about weapon range like artillery and etc in land battle is foolishness that will fail in battlefield realities, now South African air force chief of staff agrees with Augustine !
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SOURCE : Defenceweb news on Mokopa PGM.....your own source....thank you bro !

agaugust:
[size=13pt]Yes, it's a lie ! I don't accept lies because a white-man is the one telling the lie, you South Africans don't mind white people deceiving you, we Nigerians DO NOT take shiit from any white man, that's why they fear us and hate us.

You Soweto mumus are the horses that white men ride on their way to Shoprite

Show me in this world where Germany tested IRIS-T against another air to air missile in live fire combat simulation.

PL-9C is faster than IRIS-T, so how does a slower missile catch up in race with a faster missile ?

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agaugust:
NOTHING in your foolish web links to prove your claims, those stories you posted are just web pages talking about -Darter for sale.
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agaugust:
Citation needed .

India is number 4 world power, their military is many times bigger than those of UK and France.

India parades modern world class weapons of latest versions, they have even ordered 5th generation stealth jet fighters Sukhoi T-50 PAK,

France and UK, has NO SINGLE stealth jet fighter, also check out the massive number of India's tanks/artillery/guided missiles, they will overwhelm both FRance and UK combined, don't even count their infantry, Indian infantry will completely surround and swallow France and UK infantry forces.

India selected 144 units of Sukhoi PAK T-50 ultra-modern 5th Generation Stealth jet fighter

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Russia
L: India 140 Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft (2001) 2005-2014 (109) $3-5.4 b deal; Su-30MKI version; delivery probably 2005-2019

144 Sukhoi T-50 PAKFA FGA aircraft (2012) $30-35 b 'FGFA' programme for '5th generation stealth fighter' (incl production in India)

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php
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agaugust:
Show me where A-Darter and IRIS-T engaged an air to air target at 20 km and 25 km respectively
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agaugust:
Your source says RANGE = 20 km

My source says MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE = 35 km

The difference is that my source goes further to show maximum range, yours stopped at just range.

I posted more detailed information from a more detailed source, all these details in army recognition are not found on manufacturers website.

Your source is too scanty with skinny details, I have posted the full one below :

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lezz:
my sources includes the newtork times, an anti Cuba press establishemt and several western media houses who supported south Africa in that war.

Give up this fight, It has been established that Chester Crocker wrote the war for some west press.


When the cibans first flushed you out in 1975/6, you were still using 1956 British outdated tanks. You upgraded in 1977 and mounted another invasion in Angola and got beaten again.

Keep coming.

lezz:
and where did I say you lost 11,000 men? You had several years planing the invasion of Angola after the Cubans defeated you in 1975/6.


Your sources are inadmissible because ot has already been established that the sandf and cia with help from an American diplomat Chester Crocker attempted to deceive the world by rewriting the events of that war.

lezz:
are you implicitly admitting that south Africa lost the war? This is the faintest effort of grace you have displayed thus far here.
Or maybe today being Sunday has deaden your usual urge for denial.

Because after south Africa was defeated decisively, the Angolan civil commenced.
You don't want to use that as your cover now, do you?

EVarn:
oh man,dont you think before you type,or are you just plain ignorant?.let me help you with the chronological order of world powers:
USA
China
UK
India
Russia{or Germany}
Germany{or Russia}
France
Canada
Israel
Brazil

lezz:
get me an independent source which didn't originate from the south African military writers desperately trying to hide their humiliation.

http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/Tanques3-e.html

lezz:
one source? When I say this is history , I mean it's everywhere.
http://blackmystory.net/the-battle-of-cuito-cuanavale-and-cubas-role-in-the-defeat-of-apartheid-apart-hate/

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-176d-Victory-at-Cuito-Cuanavale

http://links.org.au/node/483


http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/12/world/south-africa-s-strategy-on-angola-falls-short-enhancing-cubans-role.html

http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/Tanques3-e.html

Now do you want more?

agaugust:

Citation Needed !

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agaugust:
According to SIPRI database, NAF has PL-9C variant for F-7 jet, thanks for confirming we got the 35 km range variant
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agaugust:
Show me where A-Darter shot down another air to air missile in air test
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agaugust:
Self defence missile means short range missile, every SRAAM is a self defence missile for defending an aircraft against another aircraft.

You confuse that with anti-missile missile.....stop freaking yourself out dude !
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agaugust:
I don't care about PL-9D, it is NOT on the manufacturers website product list
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agaugust:
According to SIPRI, the radars you have were purchased for civilian installation, just like our own. Same grade. Same way we also bring ours in as civilian and use them for NAF air ops, we upgraded our radars recently around year 2010
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agaugust:
F-7NI manufactured brand new in 2010....not an upgrade.

SANDF has ground radars manufactured in 1981

I wrecked your '66 years ahead' hallucinations
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agaugust:
A-Darter is an anti-aircraft missile NOT an anti-missile missile....it does not have that hypersonic speed.

A-Darter was tested against a freaking slow Drone of 1,000 km / h speed.

PL-9C speed is about 4,000 km / h super speed !!!!!!

Ya gotta freaking A-Darter with 20 km range. Short-Legged missile
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agaugust:
Proof that Ford engines were built in South Africa, citation needed
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agaugust:
Have you ever seen air to air missile shooting down another air to air missile in this world ?

Show me one example.....Fool
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agaugust:
Only 2 South African blacks have ever won Nobel price, and ZERO for intellectual brain work.

Bishop Tutu is a church man fighting against apartheid to get Nobel price.

Mandela is an activist jailed for fighting against apartheid.

Nigeria's Professor Soyinka won Nobel price as a university professor who excelled in academic brain work that shocked the white nations.

All the other 9 South African Nobel price winners are white

No South African black man can ever win Nobel prize for brain work and academic intelligence like a Nigerian.....we are smarter than you !
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agaugust:
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"Modernization of Air Traffic Management facilities has been on over the years. This effort is to enhance the level of safety within the nation’s airspace. Among such modernization are TRACON project, Safe Tower projects and many more. This, among others, has enhanced the level of service delivery of the Agency tremendously over the years."

https://www.nama.gov.ng/load.php?pg=111

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agaugust:
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You upgraded the vehicles and carriers, plus some apparatus.

Still the same old freaking 1981 radar used by SANDF in 2015

Nigeria too reguloarly upgrade radars, even up to year 2010.

"Modernization of Air Traffic Management facilities has been on over the years. This effort is to enhance the level of safety within the nation’s airspace. Among such modernization are TRACON project, Safe Tower projects and many more. This, among others, has enhanced the level of service delivery of the Agency tremendously over the years."

https://www.nama.gov.ng/load.php?pg=111

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agaugust:
SIPRI says Nigeria and South Africa are both loaded with 1980s generation 30 year old radars !


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2014
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 04 April 2015


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom
R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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agaugust:
Cool ! Then show us when SANDF paid for purchase of Mokopa, purchase order, contracts, proof of payment.



Freaking liar !

"Since 2001, Denel has been making huge losses and needed government bailouts. Between 2006 and 2009, the company lost nearly R2.8bn.

The government had to bail out Denel to the tune of Rands 3.5 billion between 2006 and 2008 ."

http://www.thenewage.co.za/mobi/Detail.aspx?NewsID=25337&CatID=9

I force you to swallow the truth about your own country ! Liar !
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agaugust:
Yes Game over for SAAF, your jets and A-Darter get roasted mid-air by NAF from 35 km BVR range away. The A-Darter fuel and explosive will add to the burning of your Gripen and Hawks in the mid-air oven and furnace.




Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles !

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saengine:
Nigeria has no 35km air to air missile. Only in your head it is real. But let's pretend.....

A Darter is a 5th generation missile with self defence capability. PL-9 has NO/ZERO self defence capability. Gripen and Hawk will defend themselves and proceed to turn your F-7 jets into scrap metal. Only one dying will be F-7 pilots. Iris-T and A Darter....self defence capability. By the way...where are your JF-17's? You said you would have them by the time Denel starts producing A Darter for SAAF.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Denel Dynamics was awarded a five-year production contract on 19 March by Armscor for the A-Darter air-to-air missile.

Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."


Game over. Find a hole to crawl into.