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jln115:
"show me how SANDF bought their own in the unknown future date year 2081 to put you 66 years ahead of Nigeria "

WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Augustine Going full re.tard again as usual .

agaugust:
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You have ordinary ground radars NOT any ISTAR....the I for intelligence is beyond your vehicles capability, it's not an ATR-42 ELINT Surveyor aircraft that you put inside those vehicles....you only have STA....surveillance and target acquisition.....you think we are fools here ?

Show us data of SAN submarine radar statistics, I have asked since last year, no Southie could answer me !

You have NO dozens of radar vehicles, you have maybe 5 maximum.

Show us date SANDF bought all it's ground based radar vehicles, we bought RASIT around 1985, then we compare date ans see if the difference in technology is 66 years

Nigerian Telescopic Mast Battlefield Surveillance TV Cameras were purchased brand new this year 2015, so show me how SANDF bought their own in year 2081 to put you 66 years ahead of Nigeria
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jln115:
Most likely be more effective at killing Boko Harm rebels than the Nigerian army aswell!!!

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Okay, so it's not more 66 years as you shouted yesterday ?

Bwahahahaha

@Patches defeated, sh.ot down from 66 feet to 25 feet...coming to sea/ground level
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jln115:
"Combat Beagle!"
HAHAH
More advanced than anything that Nigeria has!!

agaugust:
...standards on paper....no money to integrate 100% on every equipment. SANDF is broke
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agaugust:
Citation needed.

Ratel engine is German product
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agaugust:
Indian army is number 4 super power in the world, they use Rasit like Nigeria. 30 countries use Rasit radar. Mumu domingo
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agaugust:
You do not need a 120 km radar when the enemy is just 20 km away in battlespace.

You think wars are fought by armies standing 100 km distance far away from each other....Fool
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agaugust:
Prove it, and show us how many you have
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jln115:
Rand Show 2015:

agaugust:
Valour frigates are useless crap warships with inaccurate guns and incompetent gunners that cannot shot on target.

You must beg Nigerian navy to teach you how to use naval guns, we have sea war experience with NNS Obuma frigate
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agaugust:
You see Nigerian missiles outside storage scattered all over your street ? Mumu
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agaugust:
Nigeria can use helicopters to fly our telescopic battlefield TV Cameras around locations, or the Toyota just drives anywhere.
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agaugust:
Hide radar ? When you turn it on, a Shilka radar will detect the emission interference of enemy radar from your 14 toys and Nigeria will open fire on your radar men with Shilka 4 barrel 23 mm cannon and k.ill everything called South African inside the bush
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agaugust:
[size=16pt] How ?

We have RASIT ground surveillance radar and is modern

We have telescopic TV battlefield cameras, 2015 purchase and modern

We have Shilka that detect ground target.

Show me an SANDF equipment with radars to match our 46 units of Roland and Shikas.

Show me dozens of SANDF ground surveillance telescopic mast cameras to match our own ultra-modern 2015 versions.

Don't turn arguments into a joke and comedy when you lose, be bold and accept defeat like a man
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agaugust:
Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
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agaugust:
Hey dude, SANDF does NOT have data-link integrated on 100% of equipment. Gripen jet, etc ....yes....all radars and equipment...NO !

Prove it !

We don't need to climb hills to use radar, we have vehicle mounted radars that detect ground targets.

Shilka picks flat ground targets from 7 km to 20 km, and all elevated target on hills and buildings from 1km to 20 km.

Yes, a shilka will detect land enemy, it is uses as a ground combat weapon my many countries today, shilkas fire on ground target.

We will use shilka radar to detect your 14 toy radars hiding in bushes and hills and we will turn 4 barrel 23 mm cannon fire on them with devastating consequences, ALL your SANDF radars will be destroyed because they have ZERO armour and ZERO guns to defend themselves.

GAME OVER !
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agaugust:
Deployable is NOT = Self Mobile.

All ground radars in this world are deployable by carrying them from city to city by heavy duty truck or aircraft transport.

Nigeria too has many 500 km range radars fixed anjd deployable like your own.

Show me photo of SANDF 500 km radar self mobile on it's own factory install vehicle like a RASIT radar
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lezz:
where art thy honour, oh children of south Africa?

From whence wilst thy grace come?
Thither and hither have I searched and found no grace or honour amongst you. Lol.

Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details. The only thing they have in common is your staggering defeat and humiliation.

And for what it is worth, our chit chat here is irrelevant in the archive of history which has forever condemned you to the section of military losers.

Zuma visiting the site in 2008 is a clearer message than your denial of shame. Hehehehe.

lezz:
Ah, relax patchesagain, my blush-radar is sensing your heat and blushes across this platform.

First off, the sandf had its nearest base in Namibia which it has been occupying illegally for some time. The fact that your president flew there to give a last minute moral booster for a demoralised troop is something to keep your hands full.

Your rage occasioned by the revelation of truth has knocked you onto a path of blinded banter.

You didn't deny the fact that southafrica officially attempted to rewrite her war history, no?

SANDF dabacle in Angola guaranteed the independence of Namibia, no?

That you lost that more with over 9,000 troops more than 500 tanks, aircrafts and more, no?

I didn't expect you to own up, son. There wouldn't have been this thread if you can.

lezz:
I have been waiting for you,
waiting for the moment you bring forth your source written by SANDF military consultants.

And now I, Leslie, will slaughter you with a source which is the SOURCE of all your(all SouthAfricans on this thread) sources.

This source shows how Southafrica officially, with help from the assist. secretary of state of the Donald Reagan administration by name of Chester Crocker, attempted to rewrite south African war history for the sake of the neo-colonialists.

I present you now with this source for my pleasure and your horror.
Please pay attention to the first paragraph with a subtitle.

it's still weekend and you should be paying for my beer; I just gave you an education your history teachers had no clue of.

.........oh! almost forgot the link http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

agaugust:
Nigerian radars are about 50, all mobile and on armour. We will cover land area of Scotland, not your own imaginary 70364 sq km.

A 50 km range radar will cover only about 2,000 km in 360 degree mode.
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agaugust:
SANDF 500 km range radar is NOT mobile, I proved that months ago from defence web, it's a fixed ground radar in your city
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agaugust:
Brother, who taught you all the errors you wrote above? You need to learn from real jet fighter pilots, please read :

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[size=16pt]How Upgraded F-7, MiG-21 Jet Fighters Vs F-16, F-18, MiG-29, Gripen Jets....

....Are Rated In Worldwide Military Opinion Forums
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Pakistani F-7 jets are the counterpart of Indian MiG 21 Bison and Romanian MiG 21 Lancers, these 3 jets are upgraded to fight and survive against F-16 jets, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen and other 4th generation light jet fighters in that class.


Romania retired all MiG 29 jets and replaced them with moderninzed MiG 21 Jets for its NATO air power operations...that tells you something.

F-7 NI jet is still superior to MiG 21 Lancer and Bison because of the new F-7 jet swept wing and bubble canopy for extra capacity in dog fight maneuvers, ground attack maneuvers and enemy aircraft spotting in visual range combat. The only area the MiG 21 Lancer and Bison have an edge is beyond visual range radar and missiles.

Now let us read what other military forums around the world are saying, some of the commentators are real jet fighter pilots in the best air forces of the world today....surprises for you if you read :


"The MiG-21 LanceR is still a MiG-21, the airframe is the same, while the engine suffered minor modifications. However, just as long the radar and weapons systems installed onboard will be competitive, just as long the helmet mounted display and firing system will continue to represent the edge of technology, and just as long the Romanian fighter pilots will continue to win international exercises, the MiG-21 Lancer will remain a formidable opponent, often under-evaluated by foreign analysts.

Some will argue that they have the best planes in the world and no MiG-21, no matter what it carries onboard, will ever be able to face an F-15, F-18 or F-16 in combat. Well, all those pilots who have flown the Lancer, may they be French, American, Dutch, Belgian or British have been extremely impressed of its performances and the American fighter pilots have stated that the Lancer has real chances to win a dogfight with any of their fighters.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/35934-mig-21-lancer/



A No.20 Sqn 'Cheetahs' F-7PG aircraft doing effective low-level attack as in the weblink below. This air superiority squadron is tasked with day/night air superiority and day ground attack /Close-Air-Support (CAS) to ground forces. No.20 Sqn has been a vital fighting element of PAF since more than past 55 years. Over the years this unit has performed in Tactial Reconnaissance, Tactial day/night attack and air-superiority roles.

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7.htm



F-7 jets droping counter measure flares to defend itself against enemy missiles in combat

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7/F-7s_horizon_flares.jpg



The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000

feet,” he said.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/22338-indian-mig-21-bison-v-s-paf-jf-17-has-edge-2.html



Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says:

While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major

“unpleasant surprise” to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting “second generation” late-model MiG-21bis fighters to “fourth generation combat platforms”. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with “jackrabbit” acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat.

A well flown Mig 21 is worth half a dozen badly flown F22's or F35's .


http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121375-MiG-21-still-unpleasant-surprise-at-Cope-India-exercise-how-so

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Perfor...6439329&sr=1-1



Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).


Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21 Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even 5th generation jet fighters like F-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Jet Fighter Pilot and Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth “in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.”


F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes.The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939



MiG 21 Lancers have also participated successfully in various NATO exercises. The modernized aircraft demonstrated exceptional readiness levels, relative to their former status, as well as to comparable NATO air forces. In such exercises, the Romanian pilots could participate in the most sophisticated modes of operations, such as laser designation of targets, and precision attacks -capabilities that are yet to be acquired by NATO newcomers.


The MiG 21 Lancer fleet now constitutes the backbone of the Romanian Air Force, performing air defense, close air support and training roles. The aircraft can carry both Eastern and western armament, and perform extremely accurate attacks with both “iron bombs” and precision guided weapons. Lancer is cleared for missiles such as the R60, R73 and Python 3 missiles, 250 and 500 lb bombs, laser guided munitions, targeting, ECM and Reconnaissance pods etc. The Lancer has demonstrated a circular error point (CEP) accuracy of 7 mil/radian and below, while maintaining 1-2meter CEP with laser guided weapons. The aircraft is also cleared for asymmetric loading of weapons, which provides a more flexible and economical use of weapons. Among the 110 aircraft, 85 are configured for ground attack, equipped with a ranging radar, while 25 are air defense variants, using the Elta EL/M-2032 air combat radar.

http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm "



F-7 NI Jets and its counterparts MiG 21 Lancer and Bison, will match any MiG 29, F-16, F-18 or Gripen jet in within visual range battle of less than 37km range distance.

All south african Gripen jets have ONLY within visual range missiles whether the current IRIS-T or the planned/still awaited A-DARTER missiles. FACT !!!

For all people, Nigerians, South Africans, Ugandans, Angolans, and others who have underestimated Nigerian version called F-7 NI jets, i have allowed real military experts around the world to talk and help you correct your wrong views that F-7NI jet is crap in air combat and weak in ground attack
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agaugust:
Gripen is NOT faster than F-7, they have same speed.

Rather F-7 climbs to higher altitude than Gripen with extra 2km ceiling advantage for F-7 especially in a cannon battle dog fight.

Also the F-7 has two 30 mm cannon while Gripen has only one 23 mm cannon. One hist from F-7 on Gripen will tear the Gripen into pieces, F-7 has 3 times more cannon firepower over the Gripen.

Yes 2 missiles when F-7 is traveling 850 km, but 5 missiles when F-7 is traveling half that distance.

When both aircraft have used chaff and flares to waste their missiles, the F-7 will demolish Gripen with superior flight altitude advantage and 3 times greater cannon firepower .

You don't judge an aircraft by it's name or public image, jets fight according to their technical capabilities as machines.

NAF has 35 km range missile on F-7 plus all the other advantages I listed above.

In combat, the SAAF will NOT be able to defeat NAF, except spirit angels from heaven come down to your rescue....and they won't like your Homosex.ual pilots....ya just a bunch of sinners, Gays, R.apists, etc !
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agaugust:
What would South Africa do without aviation fuel and short combat radius Gripen fuel tank in that same scenario?
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agaugust:
Your SAAF cannot even leave their air base to another country for combat deployment as at today, you have no aviation fuel to fly.

NAF flew 1,000 km to 2,000 km to fight with Alpha jets in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, and Mali from 1990 to 2013
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agaugust:
Both F-7 and Gripen have poor maneuverability.

F-7 has superior altitude over the Gripen.

F-7NI with near BVR missiles like NAF has, will shoot down a SAAF Gripen, South Africa parades poorly armed Gripen jets, that's why you will lose air combat fighting Nigeria.

SAAF is over hyped by Hollywood style videos
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