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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:07am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
I am more interested in knowing if you are male or female, leave US Army recruitment policy for internet google addicts.

Are you male or female, I keep asking since 3 days ago .

Are you female and above 18 years old ?..
Why are you so desperate to change the topic?

Why do you allways run away so easily? Were you one of the men who was defending Bama?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:06am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
You are asking me to start a new argument on US Army recruitment policy on an African military thread, does that make sense to you? I said @Patches is simply copy pasting free internet information from websites available on simply google search done inside his Soweto bedroom.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/11b.htm

http://www.usarec.army.mil/

Invest your time on US Army recruitment policy if you have nothing else to debate on. Mumu grin
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The problem is that you didnt know about the MOS system until I told you.

Which is strange for someone who claims to be a pmc...

Also, why cant you prove you are a PMC? You asked me to prove where I lived and I did - now you run away?

Coward
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:04am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
South Africa's inexperienced air force has not deployed in ANY contested airspace in the last 20 years, last time you tried it against Cuba your jets were mercilessly shot down by Cuban teenage pilots, SAAF quickly ran away to hide on the ground sitting redundant inside air bases, while your government begged UN to hurry up and arrange peace talks with Cuba
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Nigerias inexperienced airforce has not deployed to any contested airspace in 100 years. Nigeria has never engaged in air-to-air combat and Nigeria has never shot down a single enemy fighter. That is true inexperience!

Which SAAF jets were shot down by Cuban pilots?

I can show you the SAAF shooting down the Cubans... why cant you show me Cuban fighters shooting us down?

I have alos posted the number of sorties flown in 1989 - no one was hiding from anything

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:01am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
Still won't save SAAF Gripen with 25 km range missile from NAF F-7 with 35 km range near BVR missile.

Case closed
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1. You max range is 22km
2. Gripen can fly at 6500ft where your missiles cannot go and where it can still fire its missiles

Gripen flying at 6500ft will destroy the whole NAF in 4min

Your own source confirms this!
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:59am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
Okay, SAAF Hawk jets of 2005 era are same as those 1980s era. You train inside obsolete jets. Simple
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Hawks have data-links and can drop PGM's

This means they are more advanced than your F-7's
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:59am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
Year 2005 era Italian Grifo radars including some with about 90 km range, modern HUDAWAC, HMS and year 2010 combat suite you never find in a MiG-21 basic old model.

You talk like a navy cook yet deny being one
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Citations please

After you provide those I will educate you
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:58am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
I am not copy pasting procedure, I am educating your ANC imprisoned minds to know that US Army does not discriminate in recruitment of combat soldiers based on their BSc degree course of study. There are accountants, school teachers, sociologists, lawyers, and people who have never been to university all in the US Army as combatants, that's what they want, chose to be and passed the relevant tests, exams, training, etc.

US Army don't force people into a corps or department they don't want to service, it's voluntary service NOT conscription.

Olodos grin
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When are you going to prove your claims?

You said you were a researcher at a PMC - prove it
You said you know a former fighter pilot - prove it

Your entire argument, everything you say, hinges on the above.

So prove it.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:55am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
Are you sick?

You sit down inside South Africa using google search to copy and paste US Army recruitment information that is freely available to every human being that has internet at home and you are saying other people don't know it, are you sick? You ever joined US Army before?

You are a clueless internet addict scooping free public information from Google gringrin
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Why didnt you know about the MOS system?

You said you work with former US servicemen... yet I had to educate you.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:54am On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:
You are delusional.
Pakistan actually has nuclear weapons

You dont even have a fully fledged reactor

Never mind enrichment facilities.

If Iran is struggling to make one... what makes you think that you could?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:53am On Mar 24, 2015
agaugust:
You Southies say F-7 is a 1980 jet. The F-7 has been upgraded to 2010 level you know.
What is the "2010" level?

What upgrades?

Its still an airframe from the 1950's
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:52am On Mar 24, 2015
EVarn:
North korea or iran will offer expertise and equipment needed to amass a voltex of nuclear warheads in a heartbeat,if we are willing to procure{for a price of course}.we have raw,high grade uranium and other paraplasmic radioactive fossils,they have the necessary equipments; its simply a matter of mutual interest.
Iran doesnt have a nuclear weapon

North Korea? please
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:51am On Mar 24, 2015
EVarn:
what means do you have to enrich nuclear fossils?,last time i checked,SA dismantled all nuclear armament after apartheid.
We still have weapons grade material that could be used to build "half a dozen" weapons

Read the artical
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:36pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
NAF has F-7 jet with near BVR missile range 35 km to destroy the entire SAAF in 5 minutes.

You guys are sweating like mad.men on your laptops since yesterday o, because of NAF near BVR missile 35 km range PL-9C gringringrin
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Nope

Gripen climes to 6500m

Missile cant get it there

Our missiles can still operate there.

See - even your imaginary missile doesnt get us.

SAAF > NAF (in augbgugugugs imagination AND in reality!!)
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:28pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
Yes, thanks for proving me right, range = 22 km, maximum range = 35 km according the same source. Thank you for agreeing with me gringrin
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No

Range: 500m-22km

If that is the range it can operate in then that is the range it can operate in.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:23pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
NO NO NO.....35 km is MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE according to army recognition below....effective kill range is 35 km...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html
Usual range is commonly expected use range for missiles and the usual range for A-Darter missile is ONLY 10 km, while maximum effective range is 20 km for A-Darter .
NAF has F-7 jet with near BVR missile range 35 km to destroy the entire SAAF in 5 minutes.
You guys are sweating like mad.men on your laptops since yesterday o, because of NAF near BVR missile 35 km range PL-9C gringringrin
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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:08pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
NO NO NO.....35 km is MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE according to army recognition below....effective kill range is 35 km...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html


Usual range is commonly expected use range for missiles and the usual range for A-Darter missile is ONLY 10 km, while maximum effective range is 20 km for A-Darter .

NAF has F-7 jet with near BVR missile range 35 km to destroy the entire SAAF in 5 minutes.

You guys are sweating like mad.men on your laptops since yesterday o, because of NAF near BVR missile 35 km range PL-9C gringringrin
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Range is 22km - according to your own source.

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:58pm On Mar 23, 2015
saengine:
NO NO NO.....thats the "usual range". The range the missile "usually" hits something....not the maxinum range grin grin
Looks like I will have to get out my dictrionary and teach him what "maximum" means

At this rate I should start charging him for English tuition.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:37pm On Mar 23, 2015
[size=20pt]Augubgugugug

According to your own link max range is 22km

Argument over. I am not validating your ridiculous claims anymore.

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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:26pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
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Nope i feel sorry for your scientific brain deficiency.

PL-9C launched from ground, the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and needs contact, but limited to 6.5 km above ground level.

PL-9C launched from air, the fire control radar is inside the F-7 jet that is already in the air from 1 km to 17 km above ground level, so ceiling does not apply .

Your Soweto school did not develop your brains to think beyond the English language on a website, the science behind it is too advanced for a South African citizen....you have the second dullest brains in the world....confirmed shocked shocked

NAF PL-9C missile on F-7NI jet has near BVR range 35 km...We have put Southies into panic mode today o !
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Where does it say any of this?

Ohhh... i doesnt say it anywhere... you are making it up

[size=20pt]Why can the missile fly 35km away but not 35km straight up? its the same distance from the fire control radar![/size]

Pathetic

Arms dealers have the final say: max range 20km

Deal
With
It

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:45pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
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Bwahahaha....you whipped yourself grin grin grin

It is NOT a Government source, just a website from China, show me government ministry logo on that source grin grin

That website is for a commercial business named CATIC....a multi-national, NOT Chinese givernment.

""To develop CATIC into a multi-national corporation with international competitiveness" is the vision of CATIC. With "deeper understanding of the market and special care for the customer."

http://www.catic.cn/indexPortal/home/index.do?cmd=goToChannel&cid=750&language=US

Your source did NOT say air to air version !

It only said PL-9C Multi-purpose missile....multi-purpose, air or ground launched !

Also, it posted the usual raneg only, NOT the maximum range, BUT army recognition post both usual RANGE and MAXIMUM RANGE.

Your source does NOT say maximum range grin grin

NAF has PL-9C missile maximum range 35 km to kill all SAAF aircraft from BVR range grin grin

GAME OVER !

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The people who make and sell it say 20km.

Dealers > Army Recognition

Thats al that counts game over.

No one is stopping you from posting whatever nonsense you want.

In the end of the day, we have proven our facts - 20km max range, confirmed by the Chinese themselves

And we are still waiting for you to tell us how you will shoot down a Gripen flying at 6000ft (since your missile cannot go that high)

Also, please explain why the version with 35km range cannot go above 6km altitude, but the version with 20km range can go up to ~20km... its kinda like one is designed for air-combat and another is designed for GBADS

[size=20pt]You said both missiles are the same... why can only only go to 6000 ft and the other to 20 000ft?[/size]

I feel sorry for you

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:29pm On Mar 23, 2015
[size=25pt]Come back little chimp, I have not finished whipping you!![/size]
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:21pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
Both air launch and ground launch PL-9C are the same missile, same specs, same weight, same size, same fuel load, same range.

Show me where army recognition says the PL-9C missiles are different in fuel load, fuel determines range !

Same missiles, different launching locations, one from air , other from ground, same missile, same size, same fuel, same range.

NAF has a near BVR missile.....SAAF is dead stuck with short range toys shocked shocked

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html
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[size=20pt]its said that the air to air version has a ~20km range BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT[/size]
http://www.catic.cn/indexPortal/home/index.do?cmd=goToChannel&cid=746&columnid=1914&cpid=1653&dataid=4297&columnType=102&likeType=view&ckw=ATAM#

The two missiles are completely different - this is obvious to us all.

You shamless liar and fraud. Are you so scared of honest debat that you must creat false information?

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:04pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
Wikipedia is an inferior source that even you can edit todsy and post wrong information.

My source is the world respected army recognition website and is very reliable.

NAF F-7 jets have PL-9C missile with near BVR range of 35 km...NAF out-ranges SAAF Gripen jets in combat...SAAF is finished o!


http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

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[size=20pt]LIES EXPOSED

Augugbugug is posting a ground based SAM system and trying to tell us that they are Air-to-Air missiles!!

He even cropped the image so that it would lead one to beleive that it was the PL-9C missile!!

This is typical of the dishonesty we expect from Nigerians on this forum - they dont have a leg to stand on so they must falsify facts!!

How does it feel knowing you have to make things up to even have a chance of arguing with us about who has the better military??[/size]

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:59pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
You are very wrong !

F-7 altitude is far superior to Gripen !

NAF F-7 climbs to over 17 km ceiling.

SAAF inferior Gripen climbs to max 15 km ceiling.

From extra 2 km advantage above the head of the Gripen, F-7 jet fires near BVR missile PL-9C from 35 km away.

South African air force is wiped out in 5 minutes (((((((( BOOM BOOM BOOM )))))))


NAF is more powerful than SAAF .

CASE CLOSED shocked shocked
Hey dumbass - according to your own link the PL-9C cannot operate over 6km

So, even in your falsified facts - the Gripen defeats you with ease.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:58pm On Mar 23, 2015
agaugust:
Wikipedia is an inferior source that even you can edit todsy and post wrong information.

My source is the world respected army recognition website and is very reliable.

NAF F-7 jets have PL-9C missile with near BVR range of 35 km...NAF out-ranges SAAF Gripen jets in combat...SAAF is finished o!


http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

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From your own link:

PL-9C SHORAD ground-to-air defense missile system

Variants
- PL-9: air-to-air missile
http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Two different missiles - the one you are posting is a VARIANT
Foreign AffairsRe: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 4:58pm On Mar 22, 2015
Cannonleo:
straight and simple iur post stopped me from giving patches nd mike a piece of my mind.aesthetics play no role in combat.speed intelligence and firing discipline as well as composure do the job..no army is obliged to conform to a global picture cute undecided standard when in combat.whatever wins the day for u and enables u achieve Ur objectives ensure it is done.we are different.remember a soldier dosen't have a 100%
Life level this ain't a game on bullet on a vital area and he just earned his 6 foot below passport
I am not talking about aethetics

I am talking about basic discipline, basic kit and basic standards. Pic related. They arent wearing the exact same kit, but they are nonethless wearing their kit. And at the very least wearing the same uniform

But not wearing your webbing and equipment is simply not acceptable.

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:30pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
Yeah, RSA surrendered at UN peace meeting last time
We forced the Cubans out of Angola and got the Russians to stop supplying aid to them. We got what we wanted.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:26pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
Angolan army and air force invade your country will capture Jacob Zuma alive and South Africa will surrender in 7 days
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Yeah

Because they did so well last time
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:21pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
Cobra is for evasion, dog fight and gun fight.

You call it a trick only because your Gripen cannot do cobra
Its a trick done at low altitude at low airspeed

LOW ALITUTDE

LOW AIRSPEED

Plus, Gripen can do the High Yo-Yo which counters the Cobra
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:09pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
Nope, someone is talking about Su-30 jets here and you South Africans are running away from the new Angolan man here. LOL grin grin

Any time South Africans hear the word 'ANGOLA' they shake and tremble grin grin



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Su30 is a monster, a twin engined air superiority fighter.

No one denies this, america developed the F-22 simply to counter it (even though the F-15SE is more than capable of doing so)

But, the argument is no longer who is the strongest in africa (that was settled in the second post of the first page)

It is now about who is better, South Africa or Nigeria
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:49pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
F-7 is NOT = MiG-21.

Gripen has canards. F-7 has new swept delta wing and vertical fin stabilizer
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The Soviets licenced the manufacture of the MiG-21F and its engine to China in 1961, and assembly of the first J-7 (Jianjiji-7 Fighter aircraft 7) using Chinese-made components began early 1964
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mig-21.htm

J-7 = F-7
F-7 = Mig-21

Have fun in your 60 year old jet

And, FYI, the first delta wing flew in 1931
http://books.google.co/books?id=ESgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA65&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:47pm On Mar 22, 2015
agaugust:
You are the Jackass, the oxford dictionary calls the surveillance man an OBSERVER....observation satellite....then calls the target a suspected spy....So Oxford defines surveillance as CLOSE OBSERVATION not spying grin grin

Your definition is the exact OPPOSITE of Oxford dictionary, that was why I asked you to use it.

So I let you wreck your own claims....according to oxford dictionary :

Surveillance satellite = Observer

Target being watched = Suspected spy

CASE CLOSED grin grin
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Ok, since i am having to teach you what you should have been taught primary-school English class

Spying and Surveilance are synonyms

What is a synonym?

syn·o·nym
ˈsinəˌnim/Submit
noun
a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close.

Get it into your skull

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