agaugust: Why are you afraid of the Angolan man on this forum? All because he comes with his Su-30 Flanker against your Gripen jet . LOL !!!
You ask him to go away from the forum because the debate is not honest here, so why are you here then? You love the 'dis-honest' debate, so let him love it too....Fool !
Yes I am the one who said F-7 and Gripen are on par in maneuverability, I have proved it here last year with videos of both jets in the air.
You need to prove me wrong with infallible proofs, not your private dishonest opinion.
SAAF and NAF are also on par with air to air missiles, we both arm our jets with short range missiles, both pilots will fly into 'NO-ESCAPE KILL-ZONE' and die together in 10 seconds.
You need solid technical analysis to prove me wrong, but you won't be able, I work with some of the best ex-USAF pilots in the world with combat experience, I know the secrets of real combat, you don't !
Welcome to the slaughter house built by Nigerians on this forum, challenge us if you dare ! .
1. Yes, a twin engine air-superiority fighter like the Su30 should be able to defeat the Gripen. 2. Video's dont prove anything. Provide statistics 3. Our missiles are better (i have shown this) 4. You dont work with anyone, you live in your parents basement.
Give us stats augugubgugug
No one is talking about Su30's... we are talking about F-7's and we want to know how you prove it is more maneuverable than the Gripen
agaugust: Nope, the special Nigerian cloud penetrating radar satellite is already launched and in operation since 2014, Nigeria still has other new satellites being built.
We got surveillance satellite before you and we have used our own for Navy operations and confirmed by AFRICAN DEFENSE REPORT :
"The federal government has attained a total monitoring of its maritime domain through the acquisition of satellite systems which uses radar to access movement of vessels and other navigational activities.
Obi revealed that acquisition of the satellite system is not only helping Nigeria but also other countries in the West and Central Africa Sub-regions as the agency through its radar and high-level intelligence gathering led to the rescue of a Ghanaian vessel from pirates on June 5, 2014.
His words: “The satellite platforms have made policing the Nigerian waters and some parts of the Gulf of Guinea (GoG) quite easier as ship movements are better monitored. NIMASA, with approval of relevant federal government agencies, established a fully digitalised Satellite Surveillance Centre (SSC) with sophisticated cloud penetrating radars."
surveillance Line breaks: sur|veil¦lance Pronunciation: /səˈveɪl(ə)ns/ /səˈveɪəns/ Definition of surveillance in English: Close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal: he found himself put under surveillance by British military intelligence Origin: Early 19th century: from French, from sur- 'over' + veiller 'watch' (from Latin vigilare 'keep watch'). http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/surveillance
agaugust: Su-30 Flanker was NOT built for air shows or aerobatics, it was built for combat and air superiority. At air shows, every combat aircraft displays the tactics it will use to win real life combat. Cobra movement shows how Su-30 will evade enemy missiles or turn it's gun on an enemy, it also means in ground attack mode an Su-30 can stand almost stationary in the air like a helicopter.
Any Gripen jet that attempts super-maneuverability will be broken into pieces by it's own force of movement.
No 4th generation aircraft in this world can beat an Su-30 in cannon/gun fight
SAAF Gripen jet is crap....a waste of billions of dollars .
Su-30 pulls the Cobra maneuver
Gripen pulls the "high yo-yo" maneuver and kills it
But again, the Su30 cant use that maneuver to avoid missiles - trying the scorpion at Mach 1 will kill the pilot and shred the plane.
Not to mention that the A-darter can pull 100G turns - so you cant out maneuver it, only jam or outrun it
And again, as has been shown, the Gripen is highly maneuverable due to its structure and low wing loading.
agaugust: When missiles are wasted and finished, jet fighters turn to cannon/gun fight. No 4th generation aircraft in this world will defeat an Su-30 Flanker in a gun fight where super-maneuverability is the ONLY deciding factor for victory.
Show us how Gripen jet will handle Su-30 cobra movement-super maneuverability ! Angola will demolish South Africa in less than 1 minute !
agaugust: In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.
The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.
I will rank air to air combat capability thus :
1. Angola 2. Nigeria & South Africa .
Augustus
Who said that planes die at the same rate in WVR?
Who said the Gripen is only as maneuverable as an F-7?
Are you seriously saying your COPY of a jet that first flew in 1955 is as maneuverable as a 4th Gen fighter?
agaugust: [size=16pt] South Africa has a mere basic monkey model ordinary surveillance satellite [/size]
According to SIPRI military experts, South Africa got an ordinary Surveillance satellite like other countries like Nigeria did before you, the only problem is that yours is an inferior MONKEY MODEL that produces BABOON IMAGES tongue tongue
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 21 March 2015
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
France R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018
Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016
Your Southie nation is proved NOT to be on the list of thoe who got spy or reconnaissance satellites like Morocco
Surveillance NOT Spy satellite.... MONKEY MODEL inferior surveillance satellite for wretched ANC republic !
Augustus
Where does it say that Surveilance =/= Spy?
Lets consult the dictionary:
surveillance [ser-vey-luh ns, -veyl-yuh ns] noun 1. a watch kept over a person, group, etc., especially over a suspect, prisoner, or the like: The suspects were under police surveillance. 2. continuous observation of a place, person, group, or ongoing activity in order to gather information: video cameras used for covert surveillance. See also electronic surveillance. 3. attentive observation, as to oversee and direct someone or something: increased surveillance of patients with chronic liver disease.
Word Origin and History for surveillance n. 1802, from French surveillance "oversight, supervision, a watch," noun of action from surveiller "oversee, watch," from sur- "over" + veiller "to watch," from Latin vigilare, from vigil "watchful" (see vigil ). Seemingly a word of the Terror in France. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/surveillance
Surveillance and Spy are synonyms, you illiterate cassava muncher
agaugust: Russia built your satellite 100% . No single South African engineer was involved. Russia kept away all the technical secrets from your ugly faces.
Nigerian engineers built Nigeria's second satellite, we know all the technological secrets.
South Africa got export version which makes it an inferior MONKEY MODEL and just an ordinary surveillance satellite NOT a spy sat.
Many countries around the world have radar cloud penetrating satellites and they are not telling lies that it is a spy satellite.
SIPRI clearly lists those who got Spy satellites called Recce satellites....Morocco, Taiwan, Turkey etc.
According to SIPRI military experts, South Africa got an ordinary Surveillance satellite like other countries like Nigeria did before you, the only problem is that yours is an inferior MONKEY MODEL that produces BABOON IMAGES
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 21 March 2015
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
France R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018
Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016
agaugust: Nope, you only humiliated yourself because you could NOT find any specs of Nigerian radar cloud penetrating satellite on internet, it's classified .
agaugust: Financial Fraud ! ANC government over-inflated the cost of the South African satellite ! When whistle blowers called for investigation into the money, the ANC government said no, there cannot be any audit because it is a secret satellite for spying, that was how the spy satellite language came in, the Russians designed it as a mere surveillance satellite NOT spy.
So ANC avoided public investigation for fraud with the false claim of a secret spy satellite, BUT IS IT SECRET NOW? THE INFORMATION IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON SIPRI and even ordinary @Patches on nairaland is quoting the satelite's full capacity specifications, so where is the secret? The real secret is that the cost was inflated by South African politicians in a fraudulent deal, they purchased an ordinary survellance satellite at much over the normal price, swallowed the excess cash and said....hush hush....it is a secret !
The two Nigeria observation satellites cost £70 total price, the 3rd satellite is superior cloud penetrating and cost is NOT disclosed, it is more expensive and superior to our 1st and 2nd satellites and ours are top quality British satellites not monkey model Russian satellites like yours.
South Africa paid £ 55 million over-inflated price for a MONKEY MODEL RUSSIAN SATELLITE....fraud scandal news below....
Took you 7 years because South Africa could not make full payment in time, and also delayed because Russia refused to give South Africa technical control over your own satellite , SA government stopped paying cash balance, Russia did not care about your nagging like a frustrated housewife, delay continued until your South African nation bowed to Putin's command, the Russians rule over you and your satellite forever.
Nigerian engineers built one of our satellites and we have 100% control over all our satellites.
Citation needed, where did you get specs and capabilities of Nigeria's 3 satellites ? The 3rd one is even most classified.
The specs and capabilities of your Kondor satellite are avilable on free public internet ! Wow ! Then it's not a secret spy satellite, all it's YANSH & SHIIT is already published for free public knowledge on internet !
Nigeria's satellite is military grade confirmed :
"The two satellites - the NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X - were launched on a Russian Dnepr rocket from Yasny, which is located in southern Russia. The space crafts were built at SSTL in Guildford, United Kingdom, but under the Nigerian National Space Research Development Agency (NASRDA). 26 Nigerian engineers worked at the SSTL, assembling NigeriaSat-X, which weighs around 100 kilograms (220 pounds). According to the government, the two satellites can be used for forestry, mapping, disaster monitoring, military applications and security , among other functions. "I congratulate our nation for this new chapter in our transformational efforts as we strive for self-reliance," President Goodluck Jonathan said. "Let me congratulate the resourceful Nigerians who made this history possible." According to Jonathan, NigeriaSat-X was designed and built by Nigerian engineers and scientists , while NigeriaSat-2 was built in collaboration with Surrey Satellite Technology Limited in Britain."
It has been repeated on this forum more than 20 times since last year with sources....You CANNOT delete the proof, Nigeria has a radar cloud penetrating day/night all weather high image resolution military grade high power detection surveillance satellite that can detect a small boat on the big ocean.....
"The satellite platforms have made policing the Nigerian waters and some parts of the Gulf of Guinea (GoG) quite easier as ship movements are better monitored. NIMASA, with approval of relevant federal government agencies, established a fully digitalised Satellite Surveillance Centre (SSC) with sophisticated cloud penetrating radars.
NIMASA’s MoU with the Nigerian Navy and the Nigerian Air Force to enhance water patrol and aerial surveillance of Nigeria’s maritime domain has been very successful".
Meanwhile, y.our Kondor -E means E for Export, and export version different from the original top quality Russian Kondor, South Africa got what you have always talked about on this forum....
Russian made export versions of equipment for 3rd world countries, INFERIOR MONKEY MODELS.....it will give you low quality Baboon images and photographs, South Africa has been R.aped by Russia
TOP QUALITY IMAGE BY NIGERIAN MILITARY USE SATELLITE SHOWING AIRPORT, ALL AIRCRAFT CLEARLY VISIBLE
Henry120: List 10 currently operated by South-Africa?
1. Gripen 2. Heroin Class Submarine 3. LinkZA 4. Saab Impi BLUEFOR tracker 5. Milan AAD08 6. Project CYTOON - Squire ground surveillance radar - Thales Sophie man-portable system 7. Badger IFV weapons systems (World Class Mortar, World Class 30mm electrically driven gun) 8. CRAM systems 9. Starstreak 10. G6 Rhino and G5 guns 11. ESR220 Thutlwa 12. Lynx Asw 13. Rooivalk 14. Project Radiate (Standard features include high level encryption, fast frequency hopping, state of the art digital modulation techniques) 15. Silvermine Listening post (was able to intercept Royal Navy communications during the Falklands War) 16. Uhmkonto SAM 17. A-Darter 18. Y3-AGL 19. Husky MCV
And thats just individual systems, if I start listing sub-systems of the Valor Class and other platforms we will be in the hundreds
andrewza: Suffers in hot and dry air. Good for europe does not mean good for Africa. The gazelle is the chopper I would want. Simple and France knows how to build Africa tough.
Gazelle is not as versatile and has less internal space.
Its a great tactical helo, but the LUH is a better all-rounder.
Augubugug has told many lies, here is another round - his gross exaggeration of Nigerian satelight capabilities.
NigeriaSat-2
Role: The imagery of both spacecraft will serve as a catalyst to the development of Nigeria's NGDI (National Geospatial Data Infrastructure) program. NASRDA will facilitate efficient production, management, dissemination and use of geospatial information for the attainment of the MDGs (Millennium Development Goals) and the 7-Point Agenda of the Nigerian Government.
Objectives:
• To support food supply security, agricultural and geology applications
• To support mapping and security applications
• To support development of the national GIS infrastructure
• To provide continuity and compatibility with the existing NigeriaSat-1 system.
Neither of the above is military grade - they are designed for environmental and developmental objectives.
But the proof is in the pudding!! Consult the images below
Picture 1: Image taken from NigeriaSat-2 at a resolution of 2,5m (New York) Picture 2: Image taken from NigeriaSat-X, it can see through clouds - but not much of what is under them Picture 3: Image taken from a Synthetic Apeture radar system on an satelite that is older than the Kondor-E (at the same resolution ours is capable of, 2 meters)
agaugust: So far, all evidence shown here by you Southies is ONLY ONE SINGLE 18 YEAR OLD SADF man named David who fought in Angola war.
Conscripts include non-combatants and those deployed for only homeland security without firing one single bullet 1,000 km away from home in Angolan war zone.
1 soldier out if 4,000 soldiers fighting in war zone Angola.
You have all FAILED to prove large numbers of 17 year old SADF boys fighting war inside Angola, 1 over 4,000 = 0.00025 % = total failure without option of resit or carry over in the exam, you have to drop out of school and go learn mechanic work .
Augustus.
We are not going to survey every border war veteran for you.
Men were eligable for conscription at 17, thus, logically, there were 17 year olds deployed.
Stop fixating on the age - he could be 17, 18 , 19 , 20... the point is still simple. A young man who fought in the late 80's is still capable of fighting and leading today.
agaugust: 1. Mumu, South Africa is only able to afford one single lone satellite, Nigeria afforded to pay for the three satellites we have.
Your cash flow problem has no quick remedy, you struggled for about 7 years to pay Russia full price for the one lone satellite you have. Nigeria paid for 3 satellites without sweating, Southies cannot afford to buy 3
2. Did you read your own comment? Are you iinsane? You said Nigerian satellites have low resolution poor quality images, but your own source quoted to back up your claim says you are a big liar :
" It was succeeded by NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X, which both launched in 2011 carrying similar instruments for high resolution images including infrared cameras. These satellites were also made at SST, with Nigerian engineers helping to build the latter. In addition to a continued environmental mission, the satellites' high-resolution images of the country will help Nigeria review electoral boundaries ahead of its general elections in 2015."
So you just wrecked your own argument by your own hands.
Those 2 Nigerian observation satellites has captured high quality images of an American airport zoomed to show American aircraft parked there, we can spy on all nations if we wish to.
3. You goofed badly with your error upon errors, both Nigerian satellites are military grade capability......and one of them is built proudly by Nigerian engineers to British standards. Your own satellite is built 100% by Russians and is a degraded inferior monkey model.
"The two satellites - the NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X - were launched on a Russian Dnepr rocket from Yasny, which is located in southern Russia. The space crafts were built at SSTL in Guildford, United Kingdom, but under the Nigerian National Space Research Development Agency (NASRDA). 26 Nigerian engineers worked at the SSTL, assembling NigeriaSat-X, which weighs around 100 kilograms (220 pounds). According to the government, the two satellites can be used for forestry, mapping, disaster monitoring, military applications and security, among other functions. "I congratulate our nation for this new chapter in our transformational efforts as we strive for self-reliance," President Goodluck Jonathan said. "Let me congratulate the resourceful Nigerians who made this history possible." According to Jonathan, NigeriaSat-X was designed and built by Nigerian engineers and scientists, while NigeriaSat-2 was built in collaboration with Surrey Satellite Technology Limited in Britain." www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php/component/content/article?id=2604:nigeria-launches-spy-satellites-into-orbit
Nigeria is MASTER over all Africa in satellite technology and capability as well as experience in satellite applications for modern warfare.
4. Citation needed to prove the technical specifications you claim for your Kondor satellite.
5. Your Kondor satellite is a MONKEY MODEL DOWNGRADED AND DEGRADED INFERIOR version made by Russia for export market only. Remember how many times you called Nigeria's Russian made equipment monkey models, now I welcome you to the club.
Meanwhile, one of Nigeria's satellites is British made and superior to South Africa's monkey product imported from Russia.
I am shoooooting y.ou with your own rifle today
6. Russian sources posted here repeatedly say your satellite is ordinary surveillance satellite NOT spy satellite and SIPRI database confirms that, so it's a civilian grade copy of what Russian ministry of defense uses as civil servants NOT military.
7. Nigeria's 3rd satellite is a surveillance satellite controlled by NAF and NN, it is an advanced cloud penetrating radar satellite with day and night vision. It is a MILITARY GRADE SATELLITE used by Nigerian Navy to track fast moving pirate boats in deep ocean, it's radar is all weather and powerful enough to detect fast moving small objects that have small RCS. This new 2014 satellite has been posted here dozens of times repeatedly with sources.
8. Three satellites for Nigeria, one only for South Africa, you are still many years behind the giant of Africa, so your struggle continues. Aluta continua .
So your argument is:
1. We cant afford it
Uhh... your two sat's cost £35 million
Our one cost £55 million.
Seems it is you who cannot afford it
Project took 7 years because the Kondor-E was in development - the Russians only put the first one into space in 2013
2. Resolution
Your 1 satelite is only capable of a resolution of 22m and the other is capable of a resolution of 2,5m in perfect conditions.
Ours is capable of 2m resolution regardless of conditions.
They are not capable of providing meaningfull military grade images.
3. Nigeria masters of African satelites.
No - we launched our own 100% South African satelite in 1999. And another in 2013.
You arent even close to our level
4. Nigerian satelites are military grade
Hahahaha - they are environmental monitering grade. As is stated in their mission plan.
6. The capabilities of your satelite have been compared to ours - yours are significantly inferior
7. It is a military satelite. Observation is a synonym for spying you dofus.
7. Nigeria's 3rd satellite is a surveillance satellite controlled by NAF and NN, it is an advanced cloud penetrating radar satellite with day and night vision. It is a MILITARY GRADE SATELLITE used by Nigerian Navy to track fast moving pirate boats in deep ocean, it's radar is all weather and powerful enough to detect fast moving small objects that have small RCS. This new 2014 satellite has been posted here dozens of times repeatedly with sources.
jln115: I can understand the confustion mate,the t72 were basically an upgraded t64, t72a and t64s are almost identical except for a few details,but the tanks in pic 3 are t72s from the egyptian army as i couldnt find a pic of the ethiopian t72
Other way around
T-72 is a T64 that has been simplified for mass production and lower operational costs
The red army considered the T64 to be better than the T72
It was their doctrine: T64 for elite or premier units (as it was costly to make and operate), and T72 to make up mass (because it was cheap).
Long story short, T64 is for shock formations, T72 for maneuver formations.
NaijaPikinGidi: You failed as usual to read and comprehend facts especially when they come as easy TKOs to your initial comment. Condor-E has no known images captured. All Nigerian satellites till date have captured a wide range of low and hi-res street level images. We have piles and piles of detailed street level images and you can be assured that we do not share our best kept secrets and intentions.
We are not a free-for-all photo agency.
Considering that images captured by your sattelights are available on the internet - i would say that it is not very secrative
Furthermore, the quality and detail is extremely poor. Of limited to no military use.
Which makes sense as neither of your 2 satellites are military grade
Augubugug has told many lies, here is another round - his gross exaggeration of Nigerian satelight capabilities.
NigeriaSat-2
Role: The imagery of both spacecraft will serve as a catalyst to the development of Nigeria's NGDI (National Geospatial Data Infrastructure) program. NASRDA will facilitate efficient production, management, dissemination and use of geospatial information for the attainment of the MDGs (Millennium Development Goals) and the 7-Point Agenda of the Nigerian Government.
Objectives:
• To support food supply security, agricultural and geology applications
• To support mapping and security applications
• To support development of the national GIS infrastructure
• To provide continuity and compatibility with the existing NigeriaSat-1 system.
Neither of the above is military grade - they are designed for environmental and developmental objectives.
But the proof is in the pudding!! Consult the images below
Picture 1: Image taken from NigeriaSat-2 at a resolution of 2,5m (New York) Picture 2: Image taken from NigeriaSat-X, it can see through clouds - but not much of what is under them Picture 3: Image taken from a Synthetic Apeture radar system on an satelite that is older than the Kondor-E (at the same resolution ours is capable of, 2 meters)
agaugust: Empty missile cells, show us real missiles or source that you ordered more.
SAN has chronic missile shortage, 13 Exocets for 4 warships instead of 32 Exocets
Then your navy has ONLY ONE FRIGATE active, the other 3 are dead, was posted here in January 2015, was fun mocking you ! .
- Prove they are empty - SAN has all 3 Frigates operational, 4th is in refit - Nigeria has a chronic warship shortage - no single missile armed ship is operational
SAN a giant, NN is a drunken baboon on a life-raft
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:40pm On Mar 22, 2015
