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Expert17:
I know u HV BN on Nairaland since 1970....

Old fool

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afrodoc2:
My wisdom pass that of Solomon. When i OKd the expert guy 3 days ago people thought i didn't know what i was doing.

Before engaging anyone in a discussion cum argument, do a brief background check; like when the person registered and his previous post...

codedguy1:
The argument is not really making sense since everyone seem to be tilting to positions that would support their points.

I thought the argument was about whether Pogba is creative or not?

Why use scoring goals to berate a guy based on his creativity when we know he can create and same chance can be missed by strikers.

Is Fred and Mctom better than Pogba in creativity or better that him in all round play THIS SEASON mainly because of their availability?

Pogba hasn't played much this season so to start comparing him with Fred and Mctom who have played quite a lot and have improved doesn't make sense at all, and how much has Mctom and Fred created since they have been playing, mostly in front of the back four?

Pogba might be lazy and lackadaisical in his approach but to say he ain't creative enough is quite unfair.

Thank you...

raumdeuter:
This is true and what I have always said about penalties not being a true test of scoring ability

Patrickmuf is Milivojevic a good scorer. Will you advise a team looking for scorer to buy him.

Last season he scored double digits

Why should you judge a midfielder with goals scored? I brought in Rashford into the argument just so he sees that for all the praises Rashford has been getting, he has 9 goals from open play. When talking about Rashford, he doesn't remember that of the 14 goals, 6 are PKs but in a bid to discredit, Pogba, he is here talking about open play goals when Pogba isn't a striker...

elampiro:
What you spoke about diesn't make sense. Rashford has 9 goals from open play and it is a fact that cannot be disputed. That is a a fact of its own which doesn't affect Pogba

So, you don't see how ridiculous it sound when you want to minus penalties from Pogba's efforts?

elampiro:
This is not the focus .

It shows how ridiculous the argument is.

elampiro:
I wished you told the bolded to Coogar who introduced it here way back. Penalties taken by Rooney were successfully deducted in the course of our arguments. Anyway that is years past. However, goals from open play are the best to rate a player's goal scoring ability. Anyone taking penalties would always have stats in his favour.

For the records: Paul Pogba
131 matches for Manchester United
20 goals from open play
9 goals from penalty.

Rashford minus penalties in the league is 9 goals.

diggz:
A conditional statement after beating Norwich same day Leicester lost at home,abi? Ok! No worries...sha beg Ole to make top four

Leicester struggled in the Caraboa cup vs Villa even when they fielded a strong 11. After the City and Liverpool game, they have looked ordinary.

elampiro:
Na u get short memory. Pogba played 35 matches last season and scored 6 goals only from open play. He was fully fit last season. Pogba is your best midfielder on name, not on performance. By performance, he is below McTominay.

Also, in August, Pogba was fit and fired blank in all four matches. He missed free header twice from 4 yards and was ballooning shots like shooting stars of Ibadan.

Abeg stop this absolute rubbish about open play, haven't you seen players missing possible game deciding PKs? When Rashford and Martial took turns to miss PKs earlier in the season, didn't we all complain? Why didn't we say it's a Pk, let them miss it, it's better to score from open play?

Pogba will come back but the bad thing is that when he is fit and doing well, you'll never acknowledge him...

Leyqute:
Is it only me or has Martial actually been putting in a decent shift with his work rate and attitude of recent

If he keeps going like this, surrounded with the right players, he’ll score many goals.

Martial has been trying. His close control and ability to hold onto the ball in tight spaces is good for the team. If he becomes more ruthless, then the better for us.

diggz:
Guess beating Norwich must mean ManU have suddenly found their way,right?

Una too dey beh like bebeto! You better make top four, if not, na to delete this una useless thread sure pass

Lol you didn't see it was a conditional statement?

elampiro:
It then means we have four forwards who all lack the ability to support a two man midfield. The midfield needs support for build up play.



Let us not behave like we have not seen Pogba played for us before. Which goal threats? Someone who scored only 6 goals from open play in 35 matches last season and scored nil in 7 matches this season. McTominay is more likely to hit target from outside the box than Pogba. Pogba also misses free header from 4 yards.

You have a short term memory, Pogba has had an difficult season with reoccurring injuries, when fit, he is our best midfielder. Forget that McTominay and Fred have picked up, we still need Pogba or a player of his ability in the team just so the likes of Lingard and Pereira take their rightful place on the bench...

afrodoc2:
Gomes contract expires at the end of the season.
Since they have refused to give him decent opportunity as the no 10 i think he has to leave to save his career.

True that. They should convince him to sign then loan him out for 2 seasons.i wouldn't mind if Tachith Chong along joins them on loan too.

obainojazz:
How many matches has Pogba played in a row... Let him play 10 matches straight and he'll likely get 8 goals + assists or more. Look at City, Gundogan scores once in a while, Debryune scores.. D. Silva assists.. Rodri has about two or three goals from DM... B.Silva (let me not add him even though he has played in midfield too) Their defenders score goals too.. When season end and you calculate the goals coming from midfield alone.. It would be around 20, you then add assists... The type of Herrera through balls.. How many times have you seen our midfielders play that, with all the speed we have up front... If James is beside a defender, they prefer passing it to his leg

It's only McTominay that I have seen passing the right kind of balls to James who in my opinion would benefit from playing with Pogba.

elampiro:
Football is not like that. With Pogba, the attackers goals might be less. Our attackers are less worried about midfield these days offering little supports. Pogba's less work rate could have meant our attackers going deep in midfield to help out like Mane does in Liverpool. (Tooney and Tevez were also doing that). I see them playing more and more closer to the oppoaition box.

Mane going to midfield is just his style of play, when Rooney and Tevez were here, our midfield had Scholes, Carrick, Anderson etc. Those players were at some point the best in their position so it's more about the attackers style of play than the midfield being average.

Pogba in our midfield will see us create more clear cut chances added with his goal threat from midfield. I am looking forward to when Fred, McTominay and Pogba start together.

If we get Fernandez, the perfect formation will be a 4 4 2 diamond with McTominay and Fred covering for our fullbacks (Wan-Bissaka will become a problem) whilst Pogba controls the tempo and Fernandez joins the attack. Most likely though, the arrival of Fernandez signals the end of Pogba here.

melodyogonna:
It is done

Angel Gomes on loan I suspect.

afrodoc2:
If he suddenly becomes the 2nd coming of Dani Alves or even Cafu while here i will gladly chop my L, but you can't give what you don't have.

Tell it as we see it...

afrodoc2:
I always felt it was not necessary when the rumors of our interest came up. I went to watch his Crystal Palace clips and raised my concerns about his lack of ability going forward, but they said it was cos he played for Palace. Now they say he will soon develop attacking ability......at 22.

The club is not well organized so its difficult to predict, but i won't be surprised if both Williams and Laird are more complete than him in 2 years.

If the potential was there, I'd have been willing to wait but no, Wan-Bissaka is just made to sit back and defend. In 2 years or thereabout, he'll most likely be surplus to requirement, I hood I am wrong though for his career here.

popizaino:
The irony is that pep guardiola would win it 4 in a row with fergie's squad but fergie would fail to win one with this man City squad. You can't play cross and nod with this city. Fergie's best tactics

Joke...

Prectega:
For the culture

I suggested Danny Inngs for a back up role and folks here said no...Well Well...

afrodoc2:
Yes he is LIMITED by his age. He is not as good as he once was. He was mainly a mediocre winger for us but became a decent full back, and his days are numbered.
He was better and showed more potential at Villa.

As for Williams i wanted a more gradual introduction but the senior ones (Young, Shaw) are just too useless.


P.S With so many good young full backs in the club that AWB deal was so unnecessary.

You also share same sentiment?

elampiro:
This doesn't imply the midfield is poor. Based on your initial argument, the midfield is even to be praised, particularly as I was showing you guys that their chances created were higher than those of Liverpool

Just look at, Mos tof the goals we have scored is as a result of the individual play of our strikers. What we need is the kind of forward runs runs we saw from Williams and a supporting midfield cast. If you watched the Tottenham vs Liverpool game, you'd have seen the position occupied by Robertson and TAA as well as how high their midfield push up the pitch, is it too much to crave from ours?

larride:
Solskjaer on Glazer chants: "I noticed. As a club we've got to stick together. We are a family. I have to say since I've been here I've been backed by the owners, backed by Ed." #mufc



Just putting this here for future reference.

Shared it for wider publicity...lol

Fred has been overworked...He is appreciated.

eph12:
LFC - Mane + Salah + Firmino 27 goals, 14 assists
MUFC - Rash + Martial + James 25 goals, 13 assists

Elampiro, are with the stats. Our attack is still not where it's supposed to be but right now, our midfield and defense to a lesser extent need more attention.

Leicester City seems to have lost their way...If we can put up a couple of wins, we should at least get that 4th spot.

Martial score una no mention am...I just checked flash score to see we are winning 3 vs 0...Make I go watch the match as I was busy.

It's obvious that the clamor for Lingard to be binned has finally forced the hand of Ed.

We are playing Norwich today, but I just can't say if we will win. Norwich, not Liverpool o!

nitrogen:
Don't know why our 'useless old' players keep getting offers from good clubs.

What do you think is going on sef?

Matic will do well in Serie A where the tempo is not as fast as the EPL.

ddippset:
You do not have to lie simply because you're feeling orgasmic over a common Super Cup match.

He did not tip Liverpool to win.

He tried to say Barca has got no chance against Liverpool and that Liverpool would beat Barca any time any day.

That's different from "tipping"

Is this what you understood from my comment?

ddippset:


Uncouth and disrespectful.....

Noted...